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@montyforster33706 ай бұрын
Just listening to you talk to the kids is so natural and unscripted. You guys rock. From landlubbin Mideast Alberta Cheers
@carjacklane39306 ай бұрын
Love your channel best real content with family, love the eay u slow boat ive not seen others do that. Great fish btw! Im in aus. Soz i cant help myself let alone u guys, medical stuff from dv has destroyed me! I dont have a car anymore! So the best i do is press thumps up & subscribed. Your a beautiful family if ever come to vic heading into port phillip bay let me know could help places to stay.
@friendoftheocean6 ай бұрын
What a beautiful family! ❤
@richardherndon15416 ай бұрын
Perhaps your best video yet. You captured the risk and the mitigations of those risks. Showed thew leadership (by both of you) for your children. Showed us the daily challenges and how you cope with them. And you showed us the absolute beauty and power of mother nature! It's why you are such a great channel to watch. Thank you for all you do!
@Sunflowers366 ай бұрын
What a childhood! You do a great job keeping them entertained and occupied with educational activities. Very impressive from this teacher!
@JMicheleS334 ай бұрын
@hughshepherd6596you OBVIOUSLY do not have children or have ever raised or help raise any child, or even been around a child, for those that actually have a child or children, it’s a fact you can’t keep your eyes on each 24x7x365! And btw, there are many of us in the world that grew up when car seats weren’t even a thing, let alone a law, and seatbelts weren’t ever used if there were actually in your parents car models, we were feral children, and there weren’t any hired baby sitters to look after us once we were in elementary school, during summer breaks, holidays or the time after the school bell rang for the day, and we survived just fine, we’re still alive!
@KKop6 ай бұрын
It may have been a rough passage, but you two look so much more engaged and alive since you started the 2nd circumnavigation :-) You were meant to do this. And what a way to grow up as a child, sailing the seas! Also, thanks for having actual sailing on your channel. Not too many of those around, despite the many, many 'Sailing xyz' channels.
@timlangan69166 ай бұрын
It’s actually one captain. “Two become one”, which is Biblical, and in your case - you two are true master mariners. That is, you live on and by the sea. Very inspirational. In my humble opinion, best mariners on KZbin.
@bobware691316 күн бұрын
Amen to that
@bobware691316 күн бұрын
Have you thought about a sea anchor
@sgoverno13526 ай бұрын
So glad you all made it through that passage safely! Your courage and calm in the face of such challenge is always inspiring. It's amazing how the kids are undaunted and just seem to trust that everything is fine despite the tempest that's happening around them. How many times in life do I wish I as an adult could do the same!
@MalcolmDavison-zc1qd5 ай бұрын
I destroyed an ASI on my Lagoon 440 years ago using your (and my, then) technique, being unable to get the sock/hoop down in sudden 25+ kts. Even though you significantly eased the sheet, both tack and sheet were still “on” enough to give the sail shape enough to catch the wind and remain open enough to preclude bringing the hoop down. Ultimately, short handed, I found it best to: 1. Steer deep DW, (do not come up more than enough to ensure the main will not gybe). 2. Ease the sheet only enough to bring the forward 8:17 clew enough to clear the mast. 3. Blow/release the tack completely either by a Martin breaker/Tylaska T20 snap shackle with a fid or line release, instantly de-powering the sail. Let the luff flog. 4. Position yourself just forward of the coachroof and mast (not forward on the tramps). This is why the sheet has been pre-eased to ultimately bring the clew to this position. 5. Now you will find it much easier and especially safer to haul down on the sock hoop, with a fully de-powered sail ticked in behind the main. Worked for me solo (with auto pilot) on the L440.
@methyleneblue46596 ай бұрын
Ben, for getting the spinny down. Florence sailing has a cool trick in one of their vids....if you can find it. They have a ratchet pulley block on a padeye on the deck with the downhaul line going through it. It makes life a lot easier. You pull up rather tha down and you have much better control because the free line is much shorter.
@hrhplease91196 ай бұрын
The sea hates a coward. You two absolutely rock it every time. Great video!!!
@IamWeb3JB6 ай бұрын
Laundry in a Gale, My type a Women…. might be the best quote of the series for me🎉 life goals
@nooneanybodyknows79126 ай бұрын
Glad you fixed your comments. I love the two captains. 💕 Definitely rough seas when the boat throws the washer and breaks the toilet lid. 🚽 Thanks for sharing.
@Jeffrey-ed8sz6 ай бұрын
I genuenly LOVE you guys. Keep on being great parents, ambassadores and examples for humanity.❤
@user-qc3yw8lr9z6 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree. These videos give me, an elderly person, SO much pleasure, from numerous aspects.
@billradford21286 ай бұрын
Everybody says that the camera can never show how rough/big the sea really is! But you showed some of the best rough sea footage I have seen from a cruising yacht, so if it was rougher than that you are brave people! And crazy to risk your drone in that but you got brilliant shots.
@rew31036 ай бұрын
Yup, keeping everything tethered is of utmost importance... nice with the double drogue. Always lessons to be learned. Maybe more of a dial back on the sail plan vs expected conditions vs ... ? Y'all are real troopers! The older we get, the more cautious we need to be, in order to preserve and continue to build what we have chosen. Many thanks for sharing :)
@beckymoran3216 ай бұрын
Those waves, wow! Gotta have a strong stomach. Thanks for taking us along.
@carjacklane39306 ай бұрын
Putting drone up 😮in those winds, poor guy doesnt get enough adventure😅 he puts drone up 4 our footage❤ his kick & got 2 bleed to be stronger😂🎉 lol
@pacha.racing6 ай бұрын
Just a tip! You should get to know how your MOB1 beacon communicates your position if it's activated. It ain't by satellite it's ONLY by AIS. It's NOT an EPIRB. Hoping and guessing you know this and have programmed it correctly and tested it with your VHF radio and chart plotter onboard. Might save your life!
@TerryKeever6 ай бұрын
Not sure how hard it is finding an EPIRB, especially using a chart plotter, but chasing older ELTs (aircraft equivalent) and PLB (personal locator beacon) takes a bit of skill and experience. Highly recommend practicing. There are practice ELTs on a non emergency frequency.
@pacha.racing6 ай бұрын
@@TerryKeever you won't find an EPIRB on your chart plotter as EPIRB's don't transmit in the VHF bandwidth. The MOB1 beacon by design does. When properly programmed the device when activated will make the VHF radio scream and send it's precise location which is visible on a chart plotter that is wired to an AIS receiver or transceiver.
@paultabone20106 ай бұрын
Wow this was an awesome episode.🐬🌈🐬 There is so much to do on a catamaran, this is why you both look 👀 so good 👏 . Some of us just think is smooth sailing and palm trees 🌴🏖️🏝️ Keep safe and can’t believe your family is growing so fast.🐬🐬🌈💖
@chrisc164413 күн бұрын
Wow..just wow! The drone footage, the music, the fantastic crafts and how you who seem to be such awesome parents, ( love the display of the kids work everywhere..), how you explain the weather and what’s happening. Then the incredible footage of the storm while you keep your cool both of you! Just discovered your channel as I watch many sailing adventures and yours stands out! Keep up the great work and enjoy your adventures with your lovely family💕.
@LoriLynnYT6 ай бұрын
I'm so impressed how you manage all the boat stuff, AND the filming, AND editing, not to mention two pre-schoolers!! WOW! We just started watching and are enjoying your reports.
@andrez36406 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing the crazy real sailing.....we always see good weather sailing watching the absolute power of the ocean and your calm demeanor was very entertaining...I can honestly say if you had me on board in that you might have a 56 year old nervous wreck prone to screaming and crying...but I loved watching lovely family.....
@roadboat9216Ай бұрын
We made this same passage, on our 44’ cutter, similar conditions. BUT…………no weather other than crude SSB recorded voice report. No chart plotter, no AIS (yes what a wonderful device). No computer, certainly no internet. You get the picture. Sooooo nice to have all of the goodies of today. For a good part of our cruising we had only a sextant for navigation! Yaaaaaay to GPS. But when we were in the San Blas, it was really remote with NO stores or services of ANY kind. We saw the occasional boat. Very nice. You guys are doing amazing job. Now the Pacific again!
@DaveStromquist6 ай бұрын
I came very close to being pulled off the foredeck by a the spinnaker sock in similar conditions. From then on, I always attached a snatch block to the port or starboard cleat and pulled with my legs and back. If a gust hits, the cleat takes most of the load. Much safer and easier all around. Dave Stromquist S/V Stardust
@bulentca20315 ай бұрын
Greetings from Turkey.May your paths always be safe.We loved your babies very much.Be in good health and well being.
@holodeckdragon88766 ай бұрын
wow! Epic! not only are u pitched around in 8 foot seas and 30 knots u have to run around and fix things. RESPECT!!
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
Master chef sewaray sunder been in16 outer weavees
@SMullen-vv8pj6 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel and am addicted - you two are incredible and your children are so lucky! Stay happy, healthy, human, and kind to each other. National Georgraphic Live is a speaker series in Toronto at Roy Thomson Hall, where unique people come and speak about their life experiences (with video etc. as applicable). You two would be awesome for that, if and when you felt like doing it.
@xbioman78826 ай бұрын
You guys are awesome! So much respect for being calm during the craziness. As someone who has sailed in a few gales and been out in 4-5 meter waves, its crazy how small big waves appear when you try to film them.
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
Mastrr chefvtt 16.5 iut wars eearay 350 sunder v drjves
@Wayne-ou5ps13 күн бұрын
Such Beautiful Children... Be Safe Out There,... BLESSINGS TO Y'ALL'S...
@njamessimpson6 ай бұрын
On our Catana we had the same issues with the sock/spinnaker. Solution was to unfurl the Genoa and bring the spinnaker down behind that. Much easier and keep some boat speed which also helps. Great video!
@acampbell1985 ай бұрын
I know I am going to catch a lot of grief for this but Ben, you have got to get some gloves! Wrestling those lines when winds come up suddenly is a challenge I know, and I'm sure you know the forces involved can easily go beyond human capability in a flash. I'm also sure you have experienced rope burn before too, and you may be thinking, if it gets too bad, I'll just let the line go. But debilitating hand injury from rope burn can come in seconds...GET GLOVES! Ok, off my soapbox. Fair winds, following seas and the best of luck in all of you family's endeavors! Love what you are doing and wish I had the courage to dump it all and join you.
@tina-mariecrocker56872 ай бұрын
I was just thinking the same ❤
@nffremote6 ай бұрын
This long form documentary style you are evolving into is very addictive. With the addition of long term engagement, viewers experience a family catch up connection. Once again, you are pushing and extending the boundaries of your film making and sailing. In a world of fake, it's so good to experience the real. Thanks.
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
Msster chuef smallest bost 41 fit oower or dsail been neastery weathered like yiu
@yvonnekneeshaw27846 ай бұрын
😲made my tummy lurch watching…courageous souls … beautiful family …great team work 🇨🇦 ❤
@justinstevenson58076 ай бұрын
The confidence you guys show in that gale was very reassuring.. I don’t know if I would’ve been so cool in those kind of conditions! Really great to see!
@BOARDMAN164566 ай бұрын
WOW, WHAT A VIDEO, DRONE FOOTAGE ETC,, MIND BLOWING, RESPECT FROM ~#SCOTLAND
@DLBard-bv2nd6 ай бұрын
I made this same passage during the Christmas winds on my 60 ft. Monohull and the auto pilot could not cope with the sea state. I had to hand steer for over 8 hours. I stopped at Santa Marta to rest. I was exhausted. Never sailed in such a rough condition as that one. ⛵ 🐬 S/V Cork~Texas 🇺🇸
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
What brand 60 flirt minyu hulall
@Superbobstar6 ай бұрын
Your guys are crushing the footage!!!! This is amazing!!!
@tanyahouston56356 ай бұрын
That taped up toilet seat! I hope no butts were pinched! All the best through the canal.
@clivestainlesssteelwomble76656 ай бұрын
Been there ... The hinge broke 😂 .. thick super glue or Araldite quick set. I've linked this to a newbie couple on their first boat and older cat. Hope the rest of your journeys smoother.. The barefoot doctors took a detailed crawl and chat aboard a Windelo 54 . Two things I picked up were the 2M freeboard and they have been recorded running at 20-25 kn cruising at speed. But it's all ideas and info to your elbows. Cut or otherwise... 😉🧙🏼♂️🇬🇧 The Tramp nets on them are selected to suppress any breaking waves between the hulls.
@aoife9846 ай бұрын
They are through the canal and sitting south Cambutal or Tonosi, Panama.
@stingray6066 ай бұрын
Terrific videography! So exciting and suspenseful. You are real sailors. You make it look easy
@davecummings61706 ай бұрын
Great episode. Informative parts and exciting parts. I’m gonna sign up for patron.
@emilia73086 ай бұрын
Your videos are the best! I love following your family around the world! ❤
@Sommers2346 ай бұрын
Fascinating about hanging knotted lines overboard. So great to see you adventuring and still taking proper precautions.
@pachayarkittipongtavorn1066Ай бұрын
I wish I had experience sailing around the world with my wife and my 2 kids like you do. Watching your channel fulfill my dream : )
@ReflectingMe20246 ай бұрын
Did you re-upload this guys, I am certain I watched this earlier when comments were turned off. Stunning and captivating video, what a wonderful watch this was.
@SailingNahoa6 ай бұрын
Yes. Had to re upload due to some KZbin issue. Likely children clips
@davidmartin21806 ай бұрын
@@SailingNahoa youtube is so annoying sometimes, the video was great
@ReflectingMe20246 ай бұрын
@@SailingNahoa Gotcha. This one was captivating. You both deserve the best. Love your parenting, love your work ethic, and love your cinematography. I've never sailed, never will, so seeing the world through your lenses Ben/Ash is super.
@stevenr86066 ай бұрын
@davidmartin2180 they, yuck-tube, has pointed their finger at another sailing creator, too... recently.
@davidmartin21806 ай бұрын
@@stevenr8606 there was nothing wrong with the original video smh
@Jcozz6 ай бұрын
Not being critical but I am always amazed that modern day boats go to see with out everything that isn’t Built into the boat in some way secured, everything! Love your channel,be safe!
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
Thaysvruhgt lots stuff innicen
@thomasbrasse31456 ай бұрын
I would love to have this experience with an experienced sailor crew like you two. Helping, watching, learning. It is invaluable. I want to watch this a second time, as it really helps me. You do not get this in sailing courses I have done. I do wonder, when it was really big, why not deploy the drogue anchor? too much drag? You two rock.
@malgraham3516 ай бұрын
That video took me back to why i started watching you in the first place. Thanks Ashley and Ben
@richardwallinger16834 ай бұрын
It,s been a while . Russian / Putin invasion of Ukraine . Good to be back . Your babies are growing up super fast .they make running around on a heaving deck look easy . I guess a few toys have relocated / gone for a swim .the sea state is picking up .. The kid,s do not seem a bit concerned ..proper sea legs . Looking double scary at night .. WOW still flying your drone .. recovering the drone in those conditions must be very challenging . Enjoy
@jackbusic70756 ай бұрын
One of the absolute best episodes ever. It had everything! Thank you Ben and Ashley, so inspirational. ❤
@twostevensinau6 ай бұрын
My favorite sailing channel by far
@Azzinum1Ай бұрын
Im addicted to your videos! Seriously considering just sailing the oceans with my family
@engineeringconsulting55343 ай бұрын
Ben, I had to go back and finish watching this video. It's nice to see someone land a fish who knows how to use a gaff. Thank y'all for sharing. Cheers! Blue Skies and Fair Winds. Faithfully, James
@jandehn72886 ай бұрын
my favourite sailing channel, always has been, always will be!
@horacethompson93302 ай бұрын
Ben, Ashley, you guys are marvelously engaging !
@tonyankele29036 ай бұрын
Ashley really is a great captain and you are so fortunate to have a great sailing partner . 😊 I really love watching you under sail. It's real , exciting and what most you tuber enthusiasts love to see. Thanks for sharing. Keep her the flow and go. Thank you for sharing your tips . I like the tip you shared about using the lines as a steady anchor for your downside wave riding. Great tip. Do you have anything on the ends of the lines? . I missed that part. Have a great sail. Don't count the days. Make the days count. ! Peace!
@benedibrava6 ай бұрын
woman as captain? quit with politics
@Juddy_Clark6 ай бұрын
Hi Judd Clark here ❤ your guys channel hope to see on the water somewhere some day 😀 , I'm from New Zealand 🇳🇿 just about to buy my first yatch 🎉
@jamelweatherspoon3636 ай бұрын
Gonna call my daughters tomorrow and appologize for being less attentive. Love watching your journey. Great insight. ❤
@priit476 ай бұрын
This is just epic and awesome. You are just sea gods, sailing such huge waves and having fun. I learn so much from you, please accept my appreciation and fair winds and happy times! So thankful.
@DYoung-vt8pq6 ай бұрын
I love your family. Willa & Bodhi R adorable. Thank you 4 sharing this passage! Safe travels. ❤
@kidonaboat6 ай бұрын
You always have the best footage of the big waves. I have seen no other channel who can show what its really like. Cheers!
@imscanon6 ай бұрын
Well that looked pretty scary. Yikes. Glad ya'll are ok and only the toilet seat died. And I think you need two captains because each needs to be at the ready to take over if needed at any time, so both need to always know what the wind projections are, where the ships are, etc.
@paulaogawa6 ай бұрын
for some reason you guys are able to catch how absolutely massive those waves are, well done. It makes me feel anxious and excited at the same time. one of the best videos I've seen in a long time. sorry about your toilet and hope your washer is fine and so are you.
@mslil406 ай бұрын
You should have a quick "release shackle" on your tether attached at your body. If you need to get free of the boat you can't release the shackle you have under pressure. Look into taking the safety at sea course from US Sailing.
@GlendoveerEngineering12 күн бұрын
A remarkable story of how you all have been so lucky aboard a boat if blown over will not right. Please take care as the oceans can build storms quickly and then its just survival techniques. And don't put your trust in easy stuff like roller reefing snubbers or all those great sold devices as slab and Hank on works together with halyod for spinnakers, because when things get too bad u just let the ropes go. In short good luck and always take any advice you can get from ocean skippers
@ToiOraLAT6 ай бұрын
Another great episode. Really great choices. I never understood why you trailed those lines. Just love seeing the kids having so much fun. Can't get enough of that. Greetings from Auckland.
@JohnYoung-m4j8 күн бұрын
Hi guys, I am always surprised and amazed when I see young kids like yours living on a small yacht in a huge ocean. Also they don’t seem to have the same fear as adults I think it’s great, and what a way to be bought up with all those memories and skills they will later on have sailing the worlds Oceans. Those waves would scare the s-- out of me on that so tiny yacht 😂😂.Anyway well done and now looking forward to seeing the rest. Thanks for the great videos Jon 🇦🇺
@rbc58786 ай бұрын
Another great episode guys. The kiddos have got the best sea legs and ride out the rough stuff without a care. But you are right Ben, you and Ashley's calm under pressure is definitely the best way for your kids!
@kevinhildum91864 ай бұрын
Holy crudolly that advertisement for dream you did was absolutely on point and as quick as possible.
@RebootTheCatamaran6 ай бұрын
We are the same onboard; our motto is “it’s two yesses or it’s a no”. Even if I’m at the helm docking, he’s calling out distance and angles. If he’s at the helm and we’re under sail, I’ll make trim suggestions. It makes us better and safer sailors 🫶🏻⛵️
@ChristianJosephs6 ай бұрын
Re Upload :D great video you managed the storm quite well.
@markjones34254 ай бұрын
Best Mariners videos to see for those of us landlocked. You folks are great!
@petertorrey40806 ай бұрын
Great shots of blue skies and angry seas! Seriously...just fantastic!
@deekay9116 ай бұрын
We sailed that same coast on the way to Cartagena a couple years ago in similar conditions on our 440. We saw a max speed of 24kts, scary stuff and your vid brought it all back. Good stuff.
@erichottens36459 күн бұрын
I’m sure this passage was a huge challenge. My rule is to expect the unexpected. Having a mono haul everything is secure. Everything!! Thanks for the video.
@opus20066 ай бұрын
Another great video, here's hoping for calmer weather. If you ever make it north to San Francisco, Cal Sailing Club would throw you one hell of a party.
@markthomasson50776 ай бұрын
Catamarans are so safe, could you imagine running that sea in a monohull. …but don’t get complacent. One of those rogue waves could break through your side screens and wash away those lovely kids. I would have them in life jackets and harness all times out of the cabin
@minello76 ай бұрын
You have to respect the sea, was in the merchant navy for 13 years, been in some scary weather. So well done to what you have achieved on Nahoa, the good days and the bad
@sharonbraselton313510 күн бұрын
Fad n ave destyirre git chiyt inn100 feet waves
@spruceville6606 ай бұрын
You did amazing. Embrace the moment. Bad passages make great stories. Stay safe
@h.v74616 ай бұрын
Wow! THAT does NOT look like fun. Scary. Your experiences in handling such conditions is evident. Great job. Cheers 🍻
@FunsongsMusicByPeterRahill6 ай бұрын
9,496th view marker; 1.5K+ LIKE posted as this 14:10 drone segments begins... another view of reality & perspective. My laundry day is not nearly as gnarly or adventurous as yours.
@IsThisAvailable5506 ай бұрын
You two are awesome, and to be fair, you've both got 'keepers'. 😊
@noelroberts90586 ай бұрын
Amazing drone footage. It shows how fierce the ocean can be. You are amazing sailors and videographers.
@AustProd66 ай бұрын
In rough seas like that, one can only imagine the anxiety it causes, especially when you factor the younger souls. However when weighing against the good it must just seem to balance out. A broken Toilet seat is a bummer. Not like you carry a spare. LOL. GREAT Quality Episode guys. I may just watch it again later today.
@richardwallinger16834 ай бұрын
your drone shots are epic .. showing it exactly like it is happening ... Small wonder the washing machine went walk about . At least the toilet seat seemed to be the only casualty . So far so good . Surfing down those huge swells could end badly with a nasty end over end .
@roelant49143 ай бұрын
Absolutely amazing!
@helimx6 ай бұрын
Everyone over here talking about the struggle of the sail. ALL I saw was the best head gaff of that wahoo Ben did. 😮. Whack. Fish on the boat. That was flawless dude.
@Kathleensailorgirl6 ай бұрын
Omg amazing video, I pray for you safety everyday. Thanks for sharing another incredible video 🙏🙏🕊🕊🥰⛵️⛵️⛵️
@svcyclops6 ай бұрын
Can I suggest getting a snatch block for the spin suffer line. Advantages are you don’t get pulled off the deck, can use your legs to pull the line and finally when a puff comes you can step on the line and not loose progress. Disadvantage is it is slower on a light air douse.
@gw44106 ай бұрын
I really appreciated the spirit of the moments you shared
@edwardmacintosh947618 күн бұрын
Just my view, but the stantions could be a bit higher especially with the two terrific little ones on board.just an added bit of safety in a powerful seaway condition. Be safe, & enjoy the sail.
@benlieske54115 ай бұрын
Tie the snuffer line back towards the mast on the leeward side, if pressure is building 30++ for days up the arse get rid of the MAINSAIL for comfortable sailing. Everything else can be rolled away.
@Jack-ne8vm6 ай бұрын
Drogue - try a bridle on the stern. It'd keep the boat straighter & spread the load to 2 cleats. Running the engines & keeping water flowing properly past the rudders might help maintain heading in these conditions..
@charlesholt40976 ай бұрын
Amazing filming and sailing. Thank you for sharing.
@richardcamp83016 ай бұрын
Fab footage. Just shows how important confidence in the boat is
@waughthogwaugh30786 ай бұрын
Great video! Absolutely first class on all fronts! Thank you
@clayfarnet9706 ай бұрын
400k subscribers beyond the next horizon. Let’s go!
@johnwarren71556 ай бұрын
Why were you dousing the Spinnaker from the starboard side with a Spinnaker being on the port side and the downhall line chafing on the Jib sale not snapped onto your safety line?
@CastKingAdvent02226 ай бұрын
Great sailing adventure guys with your kiddos..have a nice and safe trip in this beautiful world...God bless..from Philipoines❤🙏🤗🎣
@dkbauman69826 ай бұрын
Brave and adventurous. Another great video
@AuthenticAfricanAdventures6 ай бұрын
This is one of my favorite thumbnails of all time!
@boatelectricaldiy6 ай бұрын
Lesson learned my friends. All things you don't want flying around at sea must be secured. I'm glad you learned without someone using the toilet when it happened.
@benedibrava6 ай бұрын
ben is going along with feminism if he doesnt take charge they are in danger as long they dont face real emergency, they will be fine, but