This is not just a review! It is excellent training and information for all that take time to watch it.
@Eric-vq9nq2 жыл бұрын
You're losing a lot of rigidity due to excessive stick-out. Get some short flute tools and use as little stick-out as possible and you're going to get far better cut quality and be able to run at higher feed rates.
@angrydragonslayer2 жыл бұрын
.1 mm stick out vs 10 mm allowed me to increase feed rates from 3500 to 6250 on a mag3 The tiny clearance is still scary though
@chrisliddiard7252 жыл бұрын
Currently researching this setup and i believe you can swap out the motor for a 400w or 500w motor with no other upgrade required. Also there are kits out there to extend the workable area to the 3040. So there's an upgrade path if you out grow the machine. Great review!
@spudnickuk Жыл бұрын
Very impressed to how you have made details to show how a small cnc can achieve such cutting I have bought a 3040 800w 4 axis cnc And to say watching this is a good inspiration to what my machine can do with aluminium. But no one seems to show on KZbin a machine like mine that can do what you can do Anyway thank you for showing and mainly explaining. As a hobbiest it would be nice to see how you can also do 4th axis machining on a small machine similar to this size
@DanielH2 жыл бұрын
To reduce vibration use shorter tools. I use that on my cnc and it reduce vibration a lot
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@FilamentFriday2 жыл бұрын
Great summary
@thetebout2 жыл бұрын
Double the feedrate and half the stepdown in aluminium and it will cut just fine .
Being totally new to cnc machining I've just bought this product and although it seemed daunting at first using carbide create and candle, after a few jobs cnc machining is easy!! Great little machine!!
@LeonKnook2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding review with 100% crystal clear information. I'm looking for a machine for a minimal price without having to do mods that can do alu. I think this is the one I need. Thank you for sharing and taking all the effort to make this vid!
@pauls.58152 жыл бұрын
You think I could cut 0.2mm-0.4mm stainless sheets with a good bit? Basically looking to make small stainless spacers.
@davidfarmer2 жыл бұрын
I think we are getting to the point with these 3018/3020's that they need a proper spindle to reduce the sloppiness of the spindle. plus if you used a pulley you could do a gear reduction for more reasonable rpms.
@monavissurcettevideo2 жыл бұрын
Can you please tell what is the exact inner distance beetween the 2 sides (said differently, the lenght of the X bar).
@smartnetforaliexpress3125 Жыл бұрын
hello, is there a possibility? separately connect the rotary axis? Thank you
@markussepp4829 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thx
@idiotburns2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was excited for what I was building now and planning on milling from aluminum next, OMG, thanks so much for the video, cause I have a degree in electronics and didnt even realize this was possible on my machine!!! 12:30
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Useful if you just want to quickly knock up a design or test it before you send it off
@rhiantaylor34462 жыл бұрын
I clicked on the first link to find out the price which had not been mentioned as far as I can recall. Link didn't work for me but price quoted below in comments,
@nathanwebb46712 жыл бұрын
Can you give links for the equipment to build the maping probe?
@nathanwebb46712 жыл бұрын
Can you try making a cmm out of this using a dowel pin or something similar? 🤔
@cyberlizardcouk Жыл бұрын
they should sell a kit which has all the parts minus the spindle so you can install something like one of the makita hand held routers.
@ultraporthos68842 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if Sansmart will come out with an extension for the 3020 Pro Max?
@user-wr8go9ee2n2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@SimonCoates2 жыл бұрын
1:26 Solder bridge on pins 25/26? Top right of uC. I don't think those ADCs are used though, so lucky error?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
No, its not a solder bridge, it's probably just some floating debris.
@aliciaholk77442 жыл бұрын
Do you know if this would be compatible with a 24V laser module?
@maffysdad Жыл бұрын
I found your video very informative, and whilst I had no problems with building the device I did have some problems with it's homing coordinates which kept throwing up errors. Thankfully between your description on how the $ commands work was invaluable to me along with the assistance from the KZbinr James Dean Designs. I have now made a sacrificial Spoil-Board using all 30 holes, am about to make a larger one so I can place a 'L' in the bottom left so I can always align blocks/work to the same starting position which once that is done I can finalise the sizes of my enclosure, and I've also purchased a good selection of collets and a small selection of milling bits that I've seen you and James use in videos. And wonders of wonders, I've not broken ANY bits yet!... Woohoo!...
@craigstoltzfus94592 жыл бұрын
What hardness was the copper sheet you cut? I have been told to use full hard for milling, but I can not find any for sale.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
I don't know, I cut up an old copper water tank.
@electronic79792 жыл бұрын
Very good
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@OhHeyTrevorFlowers2 жыл бұрын
A very thorough review. Thanks!
@rudolfsmagone3548 Жыл бұрын
Hi awesome video. :). What sort of aluminium did you use? 6061 or something softer like 1100?
@miami1965258 Жыл бұрын
Could you just get a much larger spindle and do metal?
@craigsmith38329 ай бұрын
Looks great, but sadly way too many bad reviews
@Phunsap5552 жыл бұрын
Where can I order? I'm in Thailand which is interested in details about this model
@Mustafa-ri7gz2 жыл бұрын
z axis still not rigid enough :( full rail system pls What are the alternatives to Sainsmart Genmitsu 3020 Pro Max at similar prices?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Look out for bargain linear rails, ballscrews etc. and build it yourself
@martinnorbeck59612 жыл бұрын
Buy vectric software. I did and dont regret a thing. It is simple to use. you will be off and running and upgrading.
@mikemike60962 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm expecting too much. Will any of these desktop size machines give a good cut and finish on aluminum? 3018,3020,3040 etc thx
@ЕнотЕнотиков-г4л2 жыл бұрын
what is doing the blue tube near the spindle? does it for liquid? Or it's vacuum cleaner?
@slartsa2 жыл бұрын
Blowing air and later in the video air+coolant. Keeping the work area clean and cooling the stock and tool.
@ЕнотЕнотиков-г4л2 жыл бұрын
@@slartsa what, s coolant system name? For find in AliExpress?
@beakytwitch79052 жыл бұрын
Be nice to be able to download this vid.
@MastaSquidge2 жыл бұрын
There are a ton of websites that will let you do this for free.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Sainsmart 3020 Pro Max Sainsmart website bit.ly/3Ggy4RI Amazon amzn.to/3XHMFxd Grbl 1.1 configuration github.com/gnea/grbl/wiki/Grbl-v1.1-Configuration The item was provided free of charge by the supplier or manufacturer for this review Some of the links above are affiliate links. If you click on one and purchase something, I might receive a small commission. It doesn't cost you anything extra, but it does help me to make more videos.
@stevec50002 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between this $500 machine and the red or blue ones for $150 that look similar?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Probably its the thickness of the frame and linear rods, quality of the power supply, quality of the controller pcb, linear rails on this one. etc. etc. Generally, if its cheaper its usual cheaper because some part of it is inferior. So if your buying you need to be careful and check exactly what you are getting.
@galkawarrior2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video. I like watching your review videos. Do you think I can use this on aluminum? If so, I think I finally found the CNC router for my projects.
@davidkeenan5989 Жыл бұрын
Can I machine a hemisphere using this machine?
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
Yes if you have the skill required
@master-gbig11402 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up, "Like & Subscribe.". Now, "That was a very comprehensive review.". You covered everything, especially the cutting of aluminum to make parts for RC cars, boats, and plains. Because that's what most of us want to try and do with this machine. The PCB was very nicely dune. However, I would pony up the Dow, and get a nice set of carbide end mills, instead of the "high-speed steel," end Mills that come with the machine. So, now I'm ready to buy this machine.
@ceosealemon2 жыл бұрын
The domestic CNC motor power sold on the market is very weak. Can't I attach a trimmer with a high rotation speed over there?
@jstro-hobbytech2 жыл бұрын
I'd love a desktop mill that could do pcbs. I don't need the fancy options from a board house.
@marcelbanzhaf47299 ай бұрын
Nutz einfach einen kurzen einscheidigen fräser für Aluminium 2 und mehr schneiden setzen sich zu
@KeesHessels2 жыл бұрын
oh man, step 1, ditch the controller for a btt gtr with reprapfirmware, step 2 hall effect endstops...
@olibarahosasa11372 ай бұрын
Thank you for this thorough review. I thought I saw somewhere a 4th axis can be installed?
@techydiyАй бұрын
It doesn’t have a 4 axis controller
@Fred-mv8fx Жыл бұрын
I've been using Carbide Motion with my shapeoko but I might need to start using Candle just for the height mapping feature. I've had lots of things with very slight irregularities that led to less than ideal cuts
@idiotburns2 жыл бұрын
You know what, I am using the flat ended O-flute single flute end mill for aluminum and it makes a world of difference, outdoes the two flute!
@klave85112 жыл бұрын
Nice review, very informative. Pleased to see the covers for the y axis. Not so sure about that long end sticking out from the spindle.
@matheokoning44562 жыл бұрын
Realy nice detailed video! Which cnc would you recommend if you are only interested in pcb milling? Thanks in advance!
@8mmmauser8962 жыл бұрын
Can you please provide us with the waste board hole cutting file?
@chriskwakernaat23282 жыл бұрын
I think a better spindle will help with a lot of that rough cutting in aluminium. and ofcourse water cooling the bits.
@Grumpyoldman0372 жыл бұрын
Will this machine cut ceramic tiles?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Apparently it is very difficult to cut ceramic tiles with a cnc router
@Grumpyoldman0372 жыл бұрын
@@techydiy Thank you!
@DigitalArtisan772 жыл бұрын
That standalone controller is excellent. Cheap anyway for any 3018 user but turns it from unreliably useless to useful.
@ComgrowOfficial2 жыл бұрын
You're amazing. I love it!!!
@mackdaddy.76102 жыл бұрын
Wow u explains it like u invented it
@felderup2 жыл бұрын
i'd think it was grand if the table were on supported rods rather than the plain ones.
@eriff2 жыл бұрын
In aluminium use 1 flute downcut bit
@kou62442 жыл бұрын
I bought the non-pro version last year cost $90.
@ВикторК-э4к2 жыл бұрын
The link is not currently active
@dayalramanrbbznbv64202 жыл бұрын
Hindi mein video banaa de Jo CNC machine ka dam rate kitna dam kitna hai vah video
@vlad5162 жыл бұрын
Acme.. why did they have to ruin it?
@chrischris63992 жыл бұрын
Frame should be good,but brushed motor? Too bad.
@anthonycampos7417 Жыл бұрын
Would this machine be able to handle composite materials like carbonfiber or micarta?
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
Yep
@alejandrocami22102 жыл бұрын
What does the size of a CNC machine depend on?
@StarBellySneetch2 жыл бұрын
Could you get even better cuts if you reinforce the structure with additional braces and bolt it to a cast iron heavy heavy tool stand?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Probably, I am going to revisit it in the near future.
@woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890 Жыл бұрын
Can we put 40watts laser module on that machine?
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
Yes
@djwillx9742 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to buy it on europe ? Impossible to find it on amazon or other website .... :-/
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Its out of stock in Europe and the UK
@djwillx9742 жыл бұрын
@@techydiy oooh...do you know when it with available ? I would like to have it for Christmas.....and the product is not on amazon....only on the genmitsu website....for europe, the product must to be on amazon to buy it...
@PiefacePete462 жыл бұрын
If anyone has questions about this machine, you will most likely find your answers here... fantastically thorough and useful video thanks! I am a fan of single-flute tools in aluminium; your results baffle me. The plate you were machining may have been the reason. "Free-machining" grades like T6061 should cut better than you were getting, without lube, but with air-blast. The chatter was more than I expected, and I couldn't see where. As others have said, shorter tool length would help. It is certainly a much nicer little machine than the 3018. Liked & Subscribed.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I keep meaning to test it again, as something was wrong.
@dieterkrause16742 жыл бұрын
even my 3018 is cutting aluminum with a single-flute without that terrible chatter....But the tool needs to be new - absolute sharp
@ucichannel4065 Жыл бұрын
Bagus banget
@Kolopsych Жыл бұрын
Since it has the aluminum spindle holder, it would be difficult to substitute a laser engraver?
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
I imagine they have a laser that fits
@Kolopsych Жыл бұрын
Saw another video for this model, they did mention a laser option
@MicroFourThirdsCorner2 жыл бұрын
How loud is this machine with wood?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Like a drill
@Festivejelly Жыл бұрын
Any advice on a vise?
@techydiy Жыл бұрын
I use the inception vice amzn.to/3Y8lmOB The Foxalien vice is ok amzn.to/3OpEX9L
@aled0b0und2 жыл бұрын
Just got mine, still setting it up but you video was a tremendous help! Would you happen to have the file for the spoilboard? I noticed you used only one of four opto-isolators for the probe input - would it not also be wise to populate the remaining three for the limit switches?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
I didn't keep the spoilboard file. The limit switches work ok anyway. Probing pcbs is (in my experience) quite sensitive to noise, so that is the reason I used the opto coupler there.
@First.Last.992 жыл бұрын
So they started shipping?
@DigitalArtisan772 жыл бұрын
If that's common aluminium not a hardened alloy it will clog up the cutters.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
6061-T6. I used some end mills that they sent me. I should have used conventional cut rather than a climb cut probably.
@DigitalArtisan772 жыл бұрын
@@techydiy watching again maybe just coolant from start would have kept temp down, it seemed a dramatic improvement. You shouldnt have binding issues with T6 unless something is out of whack I.e. temp.
@Motocue91210 ай бұрын
Hi, can I run that control board on Mach 3 ?
@techydiy10 ай бұрын
No
@Motocue91210 ай бұрын
@@techydiy thanks , well that kinda sucks.
@techydiy10 ай бұрын
Universal gcode sender (UGS), Openbuild control and candle are all free and work with this.
@tristans40262 жыл бұрын
Does the machine work on stainless steel?
@Xm0ur3r Жыл бұрын
Not adviced
@RixtronixLAB2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, keep it up, thank you :)
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Thank you too!
@mgnoodle25892 жыл бұрын
Can you cut acrylic on it?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@joetkeshub2 жыл бұрын
12000 rpm is too slow for aluminum milling... At $550 this device is relatively expensive. Thanks for your detailed review.
@slartsa2 жыл бұрын
Could you please provide us all with some good alternatives with similar pricing?
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber12 жыл бұрын
No it isn’t. You can do it with the right bit, feed & speed. You can watch other videos of very successful milling on this machine. Might have been techydiy settings & bits used. A very good bit goes a lot way. I do not think he was using the best bits.
@kevinm37512 жыл бұрын
What gives, every single link you shared is either broken or just does not work?
@rickpalechuk44112 жыл бұрын
Nice review
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@PFBruno32 жыл бұрын
Great vid… thanks for making it. I have one of these on order to cut some aluminum parts for prototype work. Kinda disappointed to see the results when cutting Al. You can hear the vibration noise and tell it’s not structurally sound enough. I suppose there are parts of the machine which could be bolstered to make it stiffer. My guess is the spindle is probably still crap but I wonder where the biggest deficiencies are.
@bohdanwesely83692 жыл бұрын
For only a couple hundred dollars more you could get a 6040 with a 1.5 kW spindle. Fun little machine to learn on but the value to performance really isn’t there.
@trinanigans2 жыл бұрын
@@bohdanwesely8369 Do you have a 6040 you would recommend?
@TheNature1012 жыл бұрын
IMO, that 3020 Pro Max at $499 is $100 overpriced. When the PROVer is $299, the 3020 Pro Max should be $399. When you can get an all metal 3018 Plus with a 500W spindle for $350, the 3020 Pro Max is $100 overpriced.
@jonathanrees37652 жыл бұрын
Hi, I am looking to get a desktop CNC router, what is available with spec "all metal 3018 Plus with a 500W spindle"? Ones I have found use rods not a linear guide?
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc79242 жыл бұрын
what is ridiculous is the cost of a standard 3018 at around 300 plus euros and what do you get Bakelite for gods sake, aluminium is not expensive and for sub 500 euros I would expect all 3018's to be built like this. They are quite simply a waste of money , i even had a quote from a local machine shop to draw up the plans from the original bakelite ones and mill them out, 157 euros for the two side panels and the 4 narrow panels on the bed, another 40 euros for the bed. Now make them in bulk and you can see why i am moaning. We are just getting ripped off by the chinese manufacturers who sit back laughing at us westerners shelling out huge amounts of money from plastic crap when we could have solid aluminium of more or less the same money.
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber12 жыл бұрын
your paths are running backwards on the aluminum. Your spindle is spinning clockwise, but you're cutting counter clockwise, climb cutting. Try with clockwise. Please make more videos on this machine.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Climb cutting gives better results on light fast cnc machines. Conventional cutting works best with slow, heavy mills.
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber12 жыл бұрын
@@techydiy I did not know that. I have a stepcraft 840 & this whole different platform is new to me. I got one because I want to use it to learn more about upgrading them as a hobby (hot rodding them)& eventualy use the parts to design my own CNC chassis for them.
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber12 жыл бұрын
Can someone please help: Does the 48v input mean I can use any 48v spindle and PWM it? I am getting this machine and I want a brushless, higher power (highest I can get) spindle for it if it does not perform as a I expect/if it is a rinky dink motor that needs a more quality replacement.
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
You would not use pwm to directly control the speed of a brushless motor. You can convert a pwm output with a converter to 0-10v and connect it to the 0-10v speed control input of a vfd. Apparently you can replace the supplied brushed motor with a larger brushed motor. I haven't tested that.
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber12 жыл бұрын
@@techydiy thank you! What do you suppose the upgrade route would be in order to use the best spindle possible, with the control board still controlling the speed, even if a new power supply is used? Basically, even if I need a different power supply, I want the spindle to still be controlled by the machine. I want to get as much torque as possible. Please bare with me, I do not know much about the hardware on these 3018/3020 machines. I love your content, do you plan to make more videos about 3020?
@techydiy2 жыл бұрын
Possibly replace the existing motor with a higher power brushed version. The rpm range is pretty low anyway, so in general I would leave the spindle at maximum rpm and adjust the feedrate instead.