Dark Souls : Bloodborne - What is Meta? Part 2 -

[@badspaghetti1786]

I really like these videos where you talk about a certain topic and go full in depth with it while showing us some pvp invasions from multiple souls game. I would love to see some more build videos though if you have those in mind.

[@SomeKnight]

Fun builds > broken builds.

[@davidkotzen1364]

Just do what you have fun with and don't apologize. If you enjoy invading, do what makes you have fun. If you enjoy being a top tier duelist, do what makes you have fun. If you enjoy being a gank host with a meme build, do what makes you have fun. I personally am mostly into 1 v 1 duels. So i have my meta min maxed chaos blade build with great combustions and optimized poise. Thats the way i like to play and thats fine.

[@oldrabidone]

Some interesting thoughts I am glad you stated that "all these games are broken" because so many fan boys will scream blue in the face if you dare to defame thier personal favourite. It all comes down to how much of that broken-ness you are willing to play around and still come out of it with an overall positive experience.

[@Gnurklesquimp]

Exactly, I've found ways to make fights that I think would otherwise be boring fun again as well, all I need now is some sort of goal other than winning by doing the same when I come up against a true tryhard with experience, they don't let you get away with much

[@H2O_Chi]

11:45 I heavily disagree. Nerfing backstabs saved sorcery spell casting since you can afford to lock off. In DS3 you can use HSM, Farron Hail and Great Soul Arrow and win if you know what you're doing. Farron Hail *dumps* on most passive players when free aimed properly. HSM (Homing Soulmass) is the best Dark Souls spell to ever exist. It's fast and *incredibly* powerful in the neutral game. You can stun people before their hyper armor frames kick in. There's so much you can do that with that one spell, it's nuts! A lack of true poise is a caster's friend and helps make a squishy caster viable and almost "meta." In DS2 you have the best spell variety but backstep i-frames and all the tech such as animation canceling shits on sorcery. Passive play is too strong in that game as well. DSR shits all over sorcery. Most sorceries will fly over your foe's head close range unless you free aim, almost requiring you to use Dark Bead and HCSM (desynced). Backstabs and passive play negate most casting. Black Flame is okay but sorcery is shit in DSR PvP, absolutely garbage in duels but.. Great in invasions.

[@grilledleeks6514]

No one thinks magic is well designed in ds3, friend.

[@waterenthusiast4721]

@@grilledleeks6514 I do.

[@darylhall3858]

@@grilledleeks6514 I do.

[@elitefish2239]

I like the 2 am upload I got nothing else to do at this time too.

[@saintriot]

Elite Fish I'm at Jack in the Box ordering tacos and egg rolls off the 2AM DUI menu. If someone I was subscribed to uploaded right now, it would be perfect.

[@elitefish2239]

saint_riot great not only do I wanna play dark souls cuz your video, now I'm hungry thanks saint

[@_malcontent4565]

saint_riot Ironically, I'm a sales rep for a beer distributor. I'm out on the road selling beer, while all the stewed prunes on the way home from Jack in the Box are swerving down their last road soda. Regardless, I always catch your early AM uploads. Do the dungeon blaster voice.

[@soulofkyanite8112]

These long videos are always relaxing to watch. The Meta, while powerful, is rather dull after some time. I've only played Dark Souls 3, but the enjoyment I get from creating a character and using a worse build that I can win with is just... satisfying. For any of you that see a Ciri of Cintra in Dark Souls 3 on Xbox, give them a wave. You might get a few embers.

[@junoglrr9119]

Dravyn Hoyland sl?

[@soulofkyanite8112]

JunoJupiter GLRR 125, though I would love to get a lower level invader eventually.

[@junoglrr9119]

Dravyn Hoyland i dont even have a guy above sl90... but i am not often in lothric anymore

[@ecto_specto4521]

I usually make a sub-optimal build, but play somewhat tryhardy. My skill build in Bloodborne has 11 strength solely for the loch shield. Saint's skill build has 9 strength, meaning he can't use the Burial Blade, rifle spear, Rakuyo, and Chikage. He could use the Reiterpallasch like me, but he continues to be a nerd and not use it.

[@pretty_fly_for_a_jeskai]

Honestly I think Dark Souls 3 could have saved spells by A) tying casting speed to attunement primarily, but have dex boost it a little bit, B) giving a ring that causes passive FP regen, and C) not tying passable damage to gear so heavily. Casting speed requiring 40 dex or a ring slot is pretty awful, having it tied to a mandatory stat for a caster like attunement just makes more sense. Then leave the extra dex boost as an option for builds that want high dex and some attunement to compensate. Free passive fp regen like in the Cinders mod is a lil OP for casting imo but a ring that does the same and can be swapped in and out is pretty good, a dedicated caster could just have 1-2 ashen estus for emergencies but otherwise rely on the ring. Then damage, I think Bellowing and CoD were fine if you really want BIG brain boy damage, but not necessary for average damage. Its pretty sad tho, ds3 had the coolest sorcery ever in farron flashsword, but those builds overall get fucked by the game.

[@matidrams9720]

Man, you really changed the way I used to see these games, I was so flustrated trying to find the meta and using meta only, that I forgot the main reason why I got into the Souls games in first place: To have some fun (and knight RP too xD) Love ya Saint, keep it up❤️

[@ravenofash9234]

A really interesting video. I agree with most of it, as usual. Welcome to another Raven boring wall of text ;). All of DS3 pvp (this is particularly true in invasions, as the game is balanced around invasion pvp) is centered around survivability and lengthier invasions. In ds3 Getting backstabbed wont spell defeat unless it´s a one-shot for an invader, host or friendly phanthom. I like this system because in the long run the one that plays better overall and not in a single moment will more likely win. BS chains in DS1 (although they can be evaded in a series of scenarios) seem cheap because the backstabber had the opportunity to deal it´s damage with a BS. Getting another BS because he got a BS seems excessive. This is not against the single backstab confirm system but against the few amount of invincibility frames you have after the BS which are canceled by any move or any damage taken. Also, gankers probably wont know (they are usually not very knowledgable of the game) but I believe (didn't test this) there might be a possibility of getting 100% bs chains in DS1 (or a high percentage, at least) using the invincibility cancelling mechanic. This can be done with just one player (as in a recent Kali video) but will work best with 2. After a BS on an invader one ganker stays behind the invader and the other one in front. The ganker in front spams fire surge or dagger r1´s to break the invincibility frames of the invader while the invader is getting up. The second ganker backstabs. This will theoretically yield a very success rate of BS's in most scenarios and against most BS escape tech. Also, getting a throw down in DS3 is still quite advantageous (it is of course much worse than in DS1 because in DS1 you can get a BS chain and estus chugging is punished much more easily). You can throw a undead hunter charm, heal, go for roll catches after the opponent gets up. It is something that I always highlight when I am doing a vid about weapons with throw downs. The throw down beast in DS3 however is Gundyrs Halberd IMO, but very few people roll with it as it means forfeiting the P. Chain or going to NG+ (or someone dropping ir for you). The WA does a shit ton of damage and is very manoeuvrable. I've noticed that invasions tended to end much quicker with that halberd because of the trow down punishment. This said, I would agree that 5 hunter charms per invasions is too little (99 in DS1 is too much, however - but they are much less useful in DS1 because estus punish is a cakewalk). 10 Would have been fine in DS3 IMO. Thanks for the vid dude. Cheers!

[@Weppi4]

Raven of Ash im pretty sure the waking up animation is not getting cancelled by dmg, so if u lock off and dont press anythimg you're save

[@ravenofash9234]

Weppi I am not at home right now. I will try to link the video where I saw that. Maybe it was not from kali.

[@Weppi4]

Raven of Ash it would be nice if you link me the video where the "invinsibility cancel happends", your 100% backstab method wont work

[@tarnishedhunter318]

Raven is right about taking damage canceling you backstab immunity on wakeup.

[@tarnishedhunter318]

This guy has a few recent videos talking about bs tech that are enlightening kzbin.info

[@TheKaryotic]

Just felt the need to say you’re one of the few players who even if my own interest in said game is at a low. Still absolutely love watching your commentaries regardless of how I feel about the game currently and o think that says a lot about your quality keep it man!

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

On the topic of 2 hit stun, I would say, I get that people don't like it but I still think it is better than the infinite stun option, I think it should've needed more tweaking, to be bit more specific, like: Only 2handed GS and above can 2 hitstun, or 2 hit stun ability is tied to your Str stat like: you need "X" amount of Str to 2 hit stun with "Y" type of weapon.

[@MegaGeewee]

DS3: MAGIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@hardwatergaming7965]

Loving that you are using clips from all the different games now man! Inspired me to make a new DS2 guy - once I can tear myself away from the remaster for abit

[@yourcasualopinion]

How did I not know about that drop off spot at 7:20 ....Good god I learn something knew about these games everyday, regardless of how much time I've sunken into them.

[@Matt-ry5xj]

If you're having problems with poise backstab phishers I really recommend you kick more as they can't poise through a kick and some weapons can true combo from kick stagger (katanas, 45 dex black flame, ect.). I also recommend learning raviolis, as they're a great way of preventing set up stun backstabs. Poise backstab builds don't "rule" the meta, they're just another layer to it that you have to learn to overcome.

[@Blue_Ocean720]

You can say they are all broken but to be fair DS3 is mostly balanced at least if doing arena duels. Just invasions can feel broken in every game one way or another.

[@Blue_Ocean720]

Also before you talk bad about magic in DS3 you need to try the immolation tinder with the sword spells on it. All the fun of a halberd but with a more varied moveset by adding in soul greatsword, flash sword, dark edge. It makes you really unpredictable and can make roll timing difficult for the opponent. Heck maybe even add in a ranged spell just to catch people off guard.

[@grilledleeks6514]

Idk man, I can't remember the last time I got hit by a dark edge

[@gravityhamster]

Fantastic once again Mr saint riot, I have thousands of hours in the dark souls games and still enjoy all of them. There is nothing quite like them so until something better comes along party on dude.

[@Binary7]

A critical attack on an opponent should not give you another almost guaranteed one, even if they panic. You have plenty of advantadge in DS3 after a backstab; Hunter Charm on wakeup, rollcatch on wakeup, punish if they heal too close, or if you're a big Goof you might even be able to backstab them out of the roll. But after all, Soulsborne invasions are the most ingenious form of multiplayer to me, I just prefer DS3. Still love watching these videos, no matter what game in the series is featured.

[@InfiniteEscuro]

He didn't complain about not getting a guaranteed critical after a first critical. The point was that in DS3, because of how little rolls cost there's little to no REAL advantage given to you when you down the opponent besides their health going down. If you're not using a fast weapon or just don't quite have roll-catch mastery, the opponent will escape near enough scot-free. Another thing about that is that even medium rolls in DS3 are quite ludicrously fast in comparison to even the fast roll/flip in the other Dark Souls installments. That said I do agree with guaranteed crits being bullshit, you've gotta be near enough immune to panicking in DS1 (didn't play or even watch much DS2 pvp, so maybe there too) to avoid being chain-backstabbed when you try to escape. The fact that just a little bit of panicking amounts to nearly certain death is harsh; but that is also what Dark Souls was marketed as, their slogan was Prepare to Die for crying out loud.

[@Binary7]

He didn't, I did. Although it's more pointing out a flaw, to really complain I'd actually have to play the game. Regarding DS3, even if the opponent "escapes" and the fight resets to neutral, you've already done the damage, which means in many cases them wanting to heal, which you in turn can punish. Also Bandai Namco pushed the "Prepare to Die" onto FromSoft because of the stigma of the game being oh-so hard.

[@InfiniteEscuro]

Where it came from still doesn't change the fact the slogan was there and did fit quite nicely at first. The healing is DS3, at lower levels at least, will usually completely override the damage being done to you and it's so fast that just a second of breathing room is all you need. So downing the opponent still doesn't offer any real advantage over just hitting them besides a little more damage. That's not the case in DS1, and kinda in DS2 as well though as I said I'm entirely ignorant on thaat. tThough the fact that in DS1 the case is that your advaantage is usually just ANOTHER crit, IS a problem. But like Saint said, all these games are broken in some way or another. And if you've got the right mindset that just makes them more fun.

[@davidkotzen1364]

In DS1 all you have to do to avoid a chain backstab is..... Nothing. Literally. Nothing. When you stand up there is a short window where you are immune to backstabs, but ANY button input will cancel this. If you just stand up doing nothing you can let them swing their regular r1 and then roll away

[@InfiniteEscuro]

I know, I've watched Saint's videos. My point was that it seems bullshit that panicking just a little bit is what gets you into chains, and that's one such way where DS1 is broken. They're not difficult to escape, but only if you know exactly what to do; IE, nothing for a second or two. Which is a confusing thing to need to do in a game like Dark Souls. At least for me.

[@abookofmatches]

I haven’t finished the vid yet but I totally disagree that all spells in DS3 are boring. They are all sub optimal but like you said; that’s not what most of us play for. The faith spells are all lightning but they’re different Lightnings. Lightning storm has the same utility as DS1 WOG IE making space. WOG itself is still WOG it’s just not impossible to dodge now. The trade on Sunlight spear/stake is a great mixup. You miss the versatility of Bloodborne weapons? Make a character with lightning stake, arrow and storm and something fast main hand. It’s a whole new fun game. I honestly don’t understand why you don’t like DS3 casting but do the others. They’re all the same, it’s just a hit box with a fancy ribbon for the most part. I guess some ribbons just don’t appeal. I love the lightning stuff, I think it’s badass, but I think soul magic is a little lame so my sorcerer only uses utility spells like magic shield, Pestilent Mist or hidden body as a crutch for fishing. There’s uses for everything. I dunno man, you do you. Just seems kinda inconsistent with what you’re saying. Maybe I aughts finish the video first.

[@D-Havoc]

When you said fast weapons reign supreme, I was taken aback to the power-stance Warped Sword from DS2. It was just criminal the poise break it had and how you can just dance on people with its running attacks and stunlocks. Or the katana counter damage. You just trade your opponent to death.

[@tealeaf391]

10/10 Love hearing you go into depth like this.

[@salahad-din9168]

That moment where you did that chuckle at 2:30 seemed incredibly puffed up.

[@z3bra_f0untain36]

Something I really want to see is you fighting some of the diehard Bloodborne duelists. Those guys are crazy! And I think a meta level, fully gemed out build would be a very interesting topic of discussion.

[@stoneymaloney2416]

I've always liked spellcasting, and while I see your point about ds3's being garbage, I just go and do it anyways. Because that's what's fun for me. I love that your channel's community is so open minded about everyone here.

[@spenserdenovich1678]

This is why adaptability was so good in Dark Souls 2 if they had some way to tie a concept like adaptability to wearing heavier and heavier armors say a lighter armor could overcome less stun lock than a heavier armor as well as the hyper armor frames that you get when trading like in Dark Souls 3

[@RibbonThe]

Demon fist weapon art into R2 knocks down! It looks so cool! I may not be able to punish it, but 4/5 times I can chuck a Hunter Charm at 'em. Sure they're gonna just run and roll, but in 2 or more vs 1 situation, it helps manage targets. I only learned this because my character "Lin, Ember Thief" uses only fire weapons fueled by the embers of other Ash. Made her to invade at SL36 +4. It may not be meta, but who cares, it's fun.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Actually I like the way spells work in other Souls games from 3. In 3, our attunement is such an annoying limitation. I do wish it was more like 1, where weapons have unique attacks, and spells have charges.

[@iamamish]

IMO spells were too nerfed in ds 3, yet too powerful in ds 1. I sympathize tho - trying to balance casting in a melee game is no mean feat.

[@Hura_the_Blessed]

In ds3 spells arnt as good as in ds2 or ds1 but they have theyre uses like for example the ds3 dlc spell seething chaos is so fun and you can toss them everywhere amd are like timed landmines the heysel pick olf moonlight combos is awesome a d pair it with the rest of the mellee spells its like a better more fun auqamarine dagger pure spells arnt good but theyre fun pair it with weapons and try out combos amd its like a new world of spell use magic is a exctension of your swordplay and not something to rely on its not as good as in ds2 or ds1 but you have to be creative with it like you where with the ds3 bloodborne thing vid you made

[@OldDragonScholar]

Being put on the ground in DS3 can put you in trouble, but it's so hard because the needs to be absolutely perfect. Personally the only one I know of that works with any consistency is hornet backstab into a fully charged R2 from a straight sword, button held starting exactly when their head moves.

[@CharlotteMimic]

Speaking of 'stealing' builds: I made a DS1 MLGS build based on yours (but with different fashion and more optimal poise), and god damn is it the most fun weapon. Thanks for introducing me to it :)

[@Eric_The_Cleric]

In lieu of this whole meta conversation, I'm trying to make a GiantDad build in DSR. Do you think it would be worth it to 1.) go up to meta level (~SL 125) for the extra levels in Vit and End, and 2.) put both Great Combustion and Black Flame on him rather than just two slots of Black Flame? Having both might prove quite useful, but I just wanted your input real quick as you have touched on both their uses in previous vids.

[@moodswing4460]

The only thing I disagree with is you want to be rewarded more with a parry or backstab. 1000+ damage isn't enough? You want one backstab or parry to end the fight?

[@nightmare_man_00gamingden15]

Have you given iron flesh a go yet? Good buff if your in a narrow path were no one can get around you plus great defense boost

[@undakovrist8161]

When someone poises up and just goes to backstab you, spacing is definitely less important to an extent. But at the same time, personally I appreciate how important positioning becomes instead. Predicting your opponents movement and moving your back to prevent them getting yours, while you also try to get to their back can be pretty interesting and really intense at times. Sure, those fights tend to either end really quickly or just look like two people strafing and spinning around near each other, occasionally kicking and/or trying to parry bs, but one mistake for either person is super costly. When you're a filthy tryhard memer like me, there's a ton of fun to be had with that stuff. But it's not for everyone and that's okay. That's another thing I wish more people would do though. Kick. When someone is up in your face trying to get a backstab, just kick them away. Doesn't matter how much poise you have if you get kicked, and blocking them is a little dangerous because of the stamina drain. Poke them with some safe r1s when they're in your weapon's tip range, kick if they try to go for the backstab, and if they don't change up their tactics, they'll likely just die to little pokes. Talking about Dark Souls 1, of course.

[@HamsterHamsterton]

Just a bit of a correction: "wake up" or "guessing game" are not the correct terms to use in these games. The correct term is "Miyazaki paths" :^) Good stuff, saint.

[@iamamish]

Hey Saint, digging these videos. With regard to knocking people on their asses and your ability to leverage that, I can see your point. The problem is that if you put somebody on their ass, you already have an advantage of some type since you've just done a considerable amount of damage - after all, that's why they're on their ass. If you're given the ability to leverage that, that's an immense advantage. Given that the game is designed around invasions, it has the effect of taking a PVE host and essentially ending the fight. Regarding infinite stun lock and the ease with which you hit somebody - I disagree. It isn't that hard to hit somebody with a UGS. First, you have poise trades, but maybe more importantly, since the damage takes place on your opponent's side, the amount of frames you have to roll a UGS in DS 1 is often fewer than with a standard Greatsword in DS 3; and sometimes, it's even fewer than with a straight sword in DS 3! I don't have any hard data to back that up - that's simply my experience. Yes, you can toggle, but that's yet another thing that most PVE players aren't going to know. Yes, PVE players can 'git gud' but PvP in DS 1 requires a huge investment of time before you know what to do in a myriad of situations (ex: how to roll spells, how to avoid infinite stun lock, how to manage bleed, how not to get backstabbed, how not to get chained, etc. , etc.,). I'm rendering a video now as a matter of fact that addresses many of these same points.

[@irurwurst]

I do think it's true that ds3 wanted to make magic buffs more of the focus and pure spellcasting less viable, but I disagree that spells are useless, particularly with regards to knockdowns. specifically because dexterity naturally pairs with spellcasting, and a rapier or dagger or scimitar is perfectly poised to take advantage of people rolling on wakeup. I feel like there were more non-lightning miracles than previous games, too. they even have two non lightning buff miracles, which again shows their focus on magic as augmentation rather than a full playstyle. I'm interested to see if Elden Ring managed to balance playstyles more, but I have to say I really enjoyed ds3 pvp overall.

[@D-Havoc]

11:04 The anime laser beam has claimed another!

[@mykep9112]

Are you gonna put up a full vid with that ds2 character? That’s still my favorite game and I love seeing cool builds

[@hostofemberstimbo7500]

i was reading comments on the ds3 wiki, and saw someone saying "poise doesnt exist, its turned off" then i remebered your video about this

[@jaimeribeiro7096]

I always learn so much from you.keep up the awesome great work \0/

[@haroldtheherald1428]

I wish i knew about that sif bridge jump years ago

[@jakefarley176]

"If you decide to stick with 1 and give it a shot or not, I think the community has pretty much spoken" What exactly do you mean by this, are you saying the Souls community has "spoken" and decided which game they like the best?

[@Gnurklesquimp]

If you want to play around with 0 poise but don't see a lot of reason to do so, try this! The lowered end throws 32 poise out of the window but allows this crazy stat-spread. I tailored it around the lack of poise and stamina (GC has hyper-armor too), yet to see if I can consistently get tempests off, I may swap that for surge/gfb mmdks.com/9f25 I do recommend a little poise btw, even if it's just for arrows, thorns and firebombs etc, but every piece of this fashion is essential and thematically fits the Velka's Rapier, which I've always had trouble building for. No parries, but they tend to be too risky for what they're worth on this build anyway, you still get some nice bs with the buffed estoc or velka's.

[@VetriVade]

I love your silver knight build. I have a similar mindset to play cosplay builds, its refreshing to hear your opinions

[@aLousyBum83]

DS3 is the way it is, is because it is meant to be a more inviting, casual experience. It is a very pickup-and-play friendly (in comparison to 1,2&BB) kind of souls game. They really wanted to give the casual player a sense of safety. That’s why Blades & Blue Sent. are no longer invasion covenants, and the very first covenant you get is Way of Blue. Take the invasion system as a whole. 8 out of 10 invasions are going to be normally 3v1. They removed armor levels and essentially poise, then added weapon levels into the match making process to better combat this too. Then on top of all of that, they added BB’s horrible password summons system to make it even more friendly. I love DS3, but it really is Dark Souls on easy mode. I will take 1 or 2 over it any day.

[@aLousyBum83]

Oh shit! I never thought of that! Thank you! I will definitely be trying that! Who would have thought?

[@skywalkersbutido6375]

Spells are most fun in my opinion in ds3 but I love to know your opinion saint :)

[@nolanellis946]

Do you play D&D saint it really seems like it and you’ve mentioned it quite a few times.

[@aust6798]

The problem with ds1 poise is that you can stack 161 of that shit

[@alexparker2353]

saint_riot > every other soulsborne youtuber

[@corruptedmilk2481]

Not quite related but god, I love it when people try to out r1 spam the Beast Cutter and just get staggered to death. Also, what is that spellcasting DS2 build?

[@bimblenuggets9040]

Saint what kind of funhard build would you recomend doing? Like what do you think is funnest?

[@notscorchingsands9718]

Magic in ds3 is bad cause everyone complained magic was op in 1 and 2. So they made it not that good. And by magic i mean all elements.

[@emmelineashcroft6482]

I'm curious as to why you say fast weapons reign supreme. I have nothing but trouble with great weapon and ultra great weapons and have a much easier time fighting faster weapons. I'm not too great though at pvp but I love it. Love the videos too

[@burn1none]

"the best" and most humble

[@LautrecOfCarim]

Lordran offers remarkable shield-penetration and outstanding damage whilst the Red Tearstone is active. Drangleic is the place to dual-wield. Replacing the offhand Shotel with a Warped Sword yields great results. Lothric offers disappointment. The Shotel performs underwhelmingly and really should have been a paired weapon. Thus concludes my examination of my own meta-ness throughout the ages. Use this information wisely. Heh.

[@cooldudeachyut]

Part 3 when? I NEED THE MEDS SAINT!

[@nicholasgreer6072]

since you are liking spells on your character now try using chameleon on with moonlight sword just chameleon swap to your moonlight sword two hand it and when they least expect it R2 its funny to do they wil lalways almost panic roll becuase they expect soul arrow or dark bead and you know how funky that hitbox with moonlight is

[@iiequinox8044]

The only fun spell in DS3 is Corona but they made it do damage equal to a tooth pick.

[@aust6798]

ds2 has the most creative spells in my opinion

[@channonfenris6627]

Dark souls 3 is more focused with little damage over time. Give a guy 50 attunement with the darkmoon ring, and put as many spells on a character as you can and do duels all day with the versatility your character will have with all of the sorcery spells. Dark souls 3 sorcery is fun in duels, but not invasions. I haven't tried as much as I could with all that I have in dark souls 3, but I think I can given enough money and effort.

[@junoglrr9119]

Is it just me or is the remaster full of disconnecters?! I mean i havent had so many dc guys ever... 10invasions, at least 4 disconnecters

[@Matt-ry5xj]

Nope you're right. After doing hundreds of invasions i'd say more than half the time the host runs away (or tries to, it's not DS3) or disconnects

[@iamamish]

DCs are way more prevalent in DSR, and I think it is a testament to the fact that most hosts feel totally incompetent at PvP. They think (and are usually right) that there is nothing they can do to win.

[@junoglrr9119]

iamamish i wouldnt even come up with this disconnecting in the first place... thats just crazy

[@junoglrr9119]

Well they just arent really aware of what multiplayer connected to the solo experience in dks really means so the attitude is simply said, i run away when a situation shows up i think i cant handle... they summon for help but dont realize that other people can help or either hunt... i really wish FS would have done something for that so the casual knows what happens when he puts down the white sign, red sign, blue eye, red eye, yey of death.. i really think way more people would enjoy the wonders that can happen in those worlds of lordran f.ex.

[@iamamish]

Juno I agree. Even as the greenest of n00bs back in the day, it never occurred to me to disconnect.

[@ZionSairin]

I will pay my soul if Saint makes a full video of DS2. Even if it’s PVE or something. And meta stuff is meta because: A: It’s inherently the best due to poor balancing B: It’s easily accessible (like straight swords in DS3) so yeah

[@lelouche25]

I admit all I ever do are cosplay souls. In remastered I have ornstein Havel and current working on Artorias build. Also got a silver knight build.

[@team3d180]

I love how i agree with you, but from the other side of the spectrum. Good vid.

[@theexecutioner5244]

2am? I appreciate it and we love ya but damn man get some sleep

[@chillociraptor3700]

I love you and completely agree with everything you just said :D

[@LordKelvinX2086]

I think one of the major reasons that casting is just so terrible in Dark Souls 3 is that they didn't properly test the FP system. Me, I'm happy to be able to chuck Vestiges a few times and then sip to refill my FP bar, as opposed to having literally only one cast of Forbidden Sun unless I run through multiple NG cycles to do Navlaan's quest a few times and then level Attunement to 43 like a crazy person; but at the same time I'm pissed that I have to shave off a good chunk of my Estus and then be left holding my dick when I inevitably run out during an invasion. It's hit and miss, and to top it off you need to hit 60 Int or 60 Faith or 40/40 Int/Fai while strapping on two or three rings (and maybe a specific dagger and headgear) in order to make the other guy even feel the damage. There's also the point you made in a stream about magic past Dark Souls 1 lacking the type of impact that puts the fear of god in you despite only being able to cast it once or twice, I don't necessarily agree with that one since I don't think it's "fun" to be able to end a PvP session that quickly (sort of like taking a +10 fully gemmed doomsday weapon into a Bloodborne invasion), but at the same time it is true that Dark Souls 3 magic lacks that kind of impact (for instance, Chaos Storm is only able to hit a big enemy once per cast even if multiple pillars land). I never really got far into Dark Souls 2 magic outside of the basic Dark Orb and Great Heavy Soul Arrow spamming, but at least those same stats let you buff and wield an infused weapon, I still remember my days power-stancing Blue Flames. I mean, I'm still in the middle of making a SL90 pure sorcerer build in Dark Souls 3, just to see what kind of shit I can do with it, but it feels nowhere near as fun as when I did an 80 Dex build. I'm hoping that whatever the next Souls(borne) game is going to be like, they learn their lessons from what went so horribly wrong with magic in 3.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

its good that I know what exactly is meta now. I always confused it with optimal but there is an optimal way to play with the meta and suboptimal options, etc. Even then I still think that all Dark Souls games are shallow af it's not satisfactory to master them because of how easy they are. All my pleasure has come from being a dick to players who want to progress their game, never the duels, not even gank spanking. It's just too lame. Why even get involved deeply in it? I wasted my time doing it. I guess I have to admit it was kinda satisfactory to experiment with builds (which is why DS3 disappointed so much I couldn't go full scientist in it & I really tried). My favorite one is DS2 btw. It has the most content, the most viable builds, soul memory tho that was a mistake.

[@theinvincibleone23]

You know what I really hate about DS3? The damn blue bar. Now spell casters have to dedicate so much to, "Hey you want health or you wanna do damage?" Can I have fun? "Nah, fam." I really like attunment in DS1 and 2 cuz you just know how many spells you have. Also, my faith build is awesome and poise trading is cool, but needing to level attunment instead of leveling str/dex to wield weapons that I find are cool is really bothersome. Honestly they should have: 1)made spells fun 2)fucked off with the sage ring and blue bar 3)fucked off with the L1 wiggle, like seriously? Bloodborne was so cool. Making weapons do infinite stunlock isn't fun. You know what's fun? Styling on a fool with my Partizan. The R2 is sooo cool. I just wish they put more time into making the game fun and more roleplay-y, you know? Also they should have not included perserverence. My 40 poise astora ugs gets fucked by a thrall mask dude with a mace? Come on. This all being said I fucking love the souls series. Dudes with swords and spells and invading right? Great video Saint!

[@danlorett2184]

Yeah even as someone who has never played a mostly caster build it's still really obvious how bad they screwed up casters in DS3. The FP system was absolute garbage for casters AND for melee. I hated losing actual estus just so I could use my weapon arts more than 2-3 times on my melee builds (or lol, I need to give up an entire estus just so I can cast Tears of Denial) and it must have been way worse for casters. DS3 has a lot of things going for it (it's definitely the best looking Dark Souls and the PVE is great) but I was really disappointed with a lot of the mechanics that were just missing or massively simplified after DS2. Power Stance was reduced to what, half a dozen dual weapons? Less than half of the spells that were in DS2 are in DS3? Emotes are trash compared to DS2 (curl up excepted of course). If they'd have given us DS2 mechanics (minus soul memory cancer) with DS3 aesthetics and PVE that would have been the most baller DS game ever. What might have been :( As for your meta comments I have to say I'm guilty of wanting to min-max the shit out of my builds even if I'm using weapons that aren't that good. I've been invading on a mid level chaos build that uses mostly chaos weapons and 90% of the time I've been using the Hand Axe because it's actually pretty decent once you figure it out, and most people don't expect to get dunked by a handaxe in 3 seconds flat. IMO min-maxing armor (unless you're using specific fashion for a reason) is a good idea, but for weapons use whatever you want. DSR is a game where most weapons can actually do OK in PVP once you figure out how they work. Edit: I posted this before I got to your hand axe comments. Hand Axe isn't stunlock like Falchion or Tracer - R2 combos into 2 R1s normally, and you can combo 2 R1s. But the R1s are so fast that it can be hard to roll out and the direction of your roll matters a lot. Still really good other than the hitbox isn't that wide.

[@fabricioguimaraes4105]

Hey saint i've begun invading,and its worth going into ng+ or its empty there?

[@saintriot]

EX M4CH1N4 won't affect you. Multi player ignores new game and only relies on level/weapon level.

[@Skullivon]

As Saint says, NG cycle doesn't affect that. However, lower levels do tend to be much more active in my experience - which makes sense, considering that not everyone reaches the mid to late game, and even fewer go into NG+ and beyond.

[@danlorett2184]

Yeah it doesn't affect anything. I normally go to NG+ on my invasion builds just so I can have an easier time getting all the items I need while still being able to leave bosses up for invasions.

[@eroymak]

It’s 2AM what is this

[@drkcrstl]

Ds1 is broken also in the stat department. Dont bother putting points into STR nor DEX past your weapon requirements because Chaos infusions. Nice one Miazaki san 👀👌

[@pez1850]

Chaos gives you split damage, its pretty bad

[@AppledirtArchive]

Well how do you feel about sekiro having no pvp?

[@FraterOculus]

Its an intimate experience!

[@scivekay6221]

from saint_riot, fighter, to sage_riot, caster

[@HomingAsatoMass]

Dark Souls 3 sorcery > everything else

[@MrCoolioto]

It's like a leafy video except the footage is relevant to the topic

[@SirDuoDai]

One piece of advice regarding meta, PARRY PARRY PARRY PARRY PARRY PARRY PARRY land one + hornet/dagger = 1337

[@uang_7611]

The bone staff is a meme, but not a good meme, like, a really bad meme. Use the witch tree branch instead. It’s also white so it’ll look good with your armor.

[@iroks9481]

Couldn’t be more spot on about Ds3’s shitty spells. I thought being a big dick Mound Maker with Dead Again would be fun, but naw, not even mad spirits can hurt enemies as invaders, gotta get summoned (and likely ganked) for that shit. Shame really, to think blowing all 4 rings slots to get ~210 spell buff and decent damage on a dark miracle is why I don’t do that.

[@iroks9481]

Give it some dark gems to make it meta... or a lore build centered around wielding the power of humanity, whatever floats your boat.

[@whaleboi460]

I want to listen to saints voice for 40 minutes though.

[@BlackGhost13Kh]

Hey Saitn Riot , do you play DS2 SOTFS in Steam?

[@andrewrobinson6843]

So are we done playing DS remastered? Xbox one is dead in almost all level ranges. Ran through the game in human form and was invaded only in the burg/chapel by a couple of dark bead lords. At meta level I have 0 red invasions / or blue orb invasions. I guess there is always the forest or the township. Oh boy.

[@etienneruche2844]

I really wish the two hit stun lock didn’t exist in DS3. I mean to be fair there’s a lot of things that I wish were different about that game, but it just causes so many issues with the game; on top of most heavy attacks already being way slower and harder to hit with, the simple fact that they can’t combo into another attack makes it almost entirely pointless to try and use them for most weapons, and the same unfortunately goes for a lot of weapon arts. After having played these games for so long, it’s nearly gotten to the point where I see flaws and missed opportunities like that more than the things I actually like about the games...

[@etienneruche2844]

Jinxed Swashbuckler Yeah, I meant how weapons each have a light attack and a heavy attack. Like for the longsword, the light attack is the normal swing and the heavy attack is the thrust.

[@LazyMaybe]

"on top of most heavy attacks already being way slower and harder to hit with," At least it's not like ds1 where most R2s just mean you get backstabbed for free.

[@shinnaota10]

I enjoyed the video quite a lot, but I disagree on the spells (not on a factual level, just an opinion). I found dark souls 3 spells to be incredibly fun. My most fun, most hours spent on a single build in ds3 is a mostly pure sorcerer (just enough str for moonlight greatsword, just enough dex for Aquamarine Dagger), and loaded with spells like Farron Flashsword and old moonlight, along with classics like soul spear and hidden body/weapon. Dark souls 1, on the other hand, while still fun, doesn't seem to have as much variety. There are seriously like 6 variations of soul arrow, and the moonlight greatsword. I do use chameleon and hidden body/weapon, but it feels less engaging to me than ds3. DS2 was not as fun to play a sorcerer, in my opinion, because even though it had a greater spell variety than any of the other games, going full sorcerer felt like it was hamstringing my maneuverability. That said, I love all the souls games. Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time, even outside fromsoft games, and dark souls 2 is still in my top 15 games (after all the other souls games, but it's there).

[@voidlesswanderer446]

great vid dude. Honestly, I think the whole meta thing is really boring. Not from the making side, but the going against side. I understand that min-maxing your stats is great for damage, or taking more hits, being lightweight for your rolls, Being 'that asshole', etc. I mean, yeah I min max certain stats I see useful like Vigor and endurance but the rest i just dick around with. that's what makes the game fun for me, along with the fashion souls to give the build a bit of spice to it. Sure, Its fun to go around wearing the Havels armor with completely meta stats with all the meta, but that fun runs stale after a few goes of it. Imo, i think people should try to be more creative with builds, tweak some of the builds and do something different with it. like instead of running a Crystal soul spear Homing crystal soulmass, why not make a Mage warrior that uses twisted wall of light and farron flashsword? Or if someones using the usual dex build, maybe instead make it a Dagger build with no hornet ring? Hell, why not a double Scimitar build with a falchion and a scimitar? all i really see these days on ds3 is mostly meta stuff (and that god damn flamethrower pyromancy.) and rarely do i come across unique stuff which honestly sucks. doing mostly pvp at the pontif bonfire, i usually just see people with the same old builds with different looks. I think if people took a moment and said 'fuck the meta'. im certain people could come up with some pretty good builds that would be customized to their standards instead of just going with the meta. Of course, this is just from my experience and time playing the game. its perfectly fine if people use the meta because it fits their style, cause theres nothin wrong with that, they can play the game their way since there is no wrong or right. i just kinda wish people would go out of their comfort zone and do a bit to spice it up for themselves and try something a bit different.

[@AlexanderJoneshttps]

Another good video bro!

[@puppetmaster4235]

That hitbox porn at 14:08 whew

[@jakubw9230]

Ive never been one for meta im more of a "Edgy name with a theme snd only using things that fit x theme" kinda guy

[@Land07]

Just because you use a fun build that isn't min-maxed it doesn't make you a casual player lmao. You're anything but a casual if you can make a fun build work for you.

[@SyrenKindra]

God fucking dammit Saint I need to sleep. Yeah I'm gonna watch it anyways but god dammit.

[@TheRealDerpSquadron]

We got the new Bob Ross over hear. Peaceful voice havin' and shit.

[@followerofjesuschrist4530]

Daaaaad

[@CEOofDontCareInc]

what is meta ?

[@Schmeatboy]

Saint you should watch this video, it’s neat. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKO5kniAm9yHaNk It’s this guy doing some neat weapon swaps (idk if you can really consider what he’s doing a weapon swap) in ds3, this guy does a bunch of really interesting things with ds3.

[@haroldtheherald1428]

Haha “i earned that” talking about getting backstabbbed. Walking through someone to get a chaos hornet 1500 damage backstab is killing ds1