Why Vegeta is NATURALLY Stronger than Goku

[@EndoScorpion]

Goku lost the moment Vegeta survived the beam struggle. Vegeta caused his own defeat by going oozaru.

[@zacbrown3797]

vegeta always causes his own defeat

[@MarkMeridiusDecimus]

Vegeta beat gokus ass in the end. Vegeta got smoked by a spirit bomb and the sidekicks saved goku

[@davidcarty7584]

@@EndoScorpion vegeta still won

[@EndoScorpion]

@@davidcarty7584 He beat Goku. He lost against the Earthlings (mainly Gohan), who went back to help his dad after seeing the false moon / sensing Vegeta's oozaru power. Thus why Vegeta caused his own defeat. Had he not bothered to go oozaru he would've still beat Goku and Gohan wouldn't have turned back.

[@Ankhakaru]

Vegeta won that fight. He broke every single bone in Goku's body. If nobody else was their to help Goku, he'd be dead & Earth wouldn't exist. I don't know why people always say otherwise .

[@fouraztecas6342]

He should of charged the genkidama when vegeta was up in the sky

[@CeeDoubleU]

Ah, ah, ah *Shakes finger* That violates the rules of plot

[@Damian_DH]

bro he went x4 he probably wasnt able to even breath properly after that beam struggle. He couldnt think straight up "im gonna push myself even more and form a genki dama now" so when he comes back ill attack him. That was the moment the fight was over the rest is a bit of both fighters playing their last resort cards.

[@digitaladventurer2142]

Yeah but back than that move was an absolute last resort since even the slightest mistake could destroy the earth and Goku was both drained and inexperienced with the move and even though he was backed into a corner he still wasn't quite out of tricks then. When he used it on Frieza it was because his X20 Kamehameha Kaioken Combo did basically nothing to Frieza who Goku knew was only going about half strength so yeah that was a desperate situation.

[@candidosilva7755]

It was in this episodes that vegeta was like a tank.

[@Vulcanfaux]

The ability to sense energy sure is a pretty helpful ability.

[@chameleonx9253]

Vegeta is pretty consistent in being stronger than Goku in his base form. Kakarot just has more powerful techniques and transformations that he uses to get ahead.

[@Simo-d3t]

Nah Goku is just stronger

[@supergoat1507]

@@Simo-d3twithout help the earth dies to vegeta when he first appears he was just as strong as goku using kaioken kid

[@Simo-d3t]

@@supergoat1507 I’m talking about the entire series as a whole

[@supergoat1507]

@@Simo-d3t cell saga yes Buu saga yes Androids yes Battle of gods vegeta until goku gets the god power Res F idk think they even Super they even but goku for more often and he gets Ui Broly movie even Manga vegeta cuz he trains more often goku got plot power ups So ig your right

[@supergoat1507]

@@fight1316 exactly how you said vegeta trains more often but goku is just passively gaining strength?

[@DaniG._.German]

Can you imagine if Vegeta didn't go Ape mode? It's over brother.

[@Insert_Bland_Name_Here]

Fun fact: Vegeta has never lost a one-on-one fight against Goku. He lost during the Saiyan Saga, because it turned into a 4-on-1 fight, but when it was a 1-on-1, Vegeta had the upper hand. Later, during the Buu Saga, Majin Vegeta and Goku's fight ended in a DNF. Both times, Vegeta would most likely have won, had the fight gone on as it was without anyone interfering. And yet, people like to make fun of Vegeta, probably because of TFS doing a lot more harm than good when it comes to Dragon Ball lore.

[@user-db2uj9vc7s]

Chill dude, it's not that deep, true fans know that too damn well

[@yimmygomez7173]

@@Insert_Bland_Name_Here majin Vegeta would not have won. You can tell how frustrated he was with Goku when he was sent to Earth by King Yama, claiming that Goku made him feel like he could win by not using super saiyan 3. That's the whole reason he was refusing to fuse

[@ricardosavagestrike]

Mano-a-mano Goku got smacked by Vegeta. Vegeta just ragequit after getting ganked.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

this saga is a perfect example of how you have characters NOT read the script and do things with the information THEY have, not what the audience has.

[@finalhazard247]

That blur effect on yajirobe’s crotch is too funny 😂

[@monkeyman123321]

I like to think after he used oozaru vegeta learnt to not lean on temporary power boost and focus on endurance forms. Seeing that Goku's abuse of temporary power boost was going to be his downfall. One of the reasons why Vegeta never tried or cared about getting his tail back.

[@priestmarx]

It’s been a while since I watched, but didn’t Vegeta hit Goku while he was charging the genki dama, causing Goku to lose a good portion of the energy. I seem to remember Goku saying he was glad he could hold on to some of it it before he gave it to Krillin to throw. I wonder if Vegeta could tank the full genki dama

[@SaiyanScholar]

Not even Goku's own power. Vegeta still dealt with it. Not certain Oozaru Vegeta would lose to it. He could simply get back up and squash Goku who was already out of gas. Vegeta kept getting up from everything, even in Base Form which was x10 weaker.

[@GrandCaptainSpeedyDashGames]

@@SaiyanScholar It's not as concrete as you might think. Goku said he lost "most" of the energy which means a full power spirit bomb would be at least 2x if not more while Vegeta was already on his last bar from the spirit bomb Krillin used. Depending on just how much energy Goku lost, it's possible Vegeta could of died but it's quite likely Vegeta would've taken too much damage and would retreat (even if Goku may still be in worse fighting condition). Though if the spirit bomb missed which considering Vegeta did dodge Krillin's the possibility is real then Vegeta would be undefeatable. While typing, I came to the realization that Goku charging a Spirit Bomb against base Vegeta would be different then a charging a Spirit Bomb against Oozaru Vegeta and so it's quite possible that Goku would underestimate Vegeta's durability and throw a Spirit Bomb too weak to beat Vegeta. I still stand by that if Goku hit base Vegeta with the Spirit Bomb meant for Oozaru Vegeta that would be victory for Goku, because Vegeta would retreat.

[@SaiyanScholar]

It would be interesting to see the results that's for sure!

[@Simo-d3t]

I honestly think Vegeta being a power level of 18,000 is a huge understatement by Dodoria . Vegeta being able to tank a 4x Kamehameha and genki dama should be much higher.

[@darnelljones9849]

I think Vegeta was stronger than 18,000 but I don't think he understood how to push his power up without his tail yet. Remember when Goku couldn't even walk without his tail at first. I think Vegeta was really like 30000 on Namek. Not 24,000 but he was adjusting to not having the tail

[@logananderon9693]

It was such a ridiculously close call. Earth got so dang lucky that day.

[@brianlaureus]

Idk about Vegeta bring naturally stronger but he definitely won this fight. It’s crazy to me but Vegeta has never lost a fight to go it’s more so he considers this a loss cause he had to flee even though gokus not even the one who remotely got him to the point of losing for the most part that was krillin and the others plus his own downward spiral.

[@ultimateyagerman]

If he had played his cards right, this should have been an ez dub for Vegeta. The only reason he would consider this a loss, would be if he acknowledged the misplays that put him at Krillin's mercy.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Well, he was ahead of Goku for nearly 25 years straight up until Goku arrived on Namek lol that's a longer span than all of Z and Super so Vegeta has been stronger for longer.

[@TrederAlmighty]

as a Vegeta fan boy, I feel satisfied by this video.

[@justinw7323]

Goku can Kaio-can when Vegeta Kaio-can't. 😂

[@herohut725]

Good thing Vegeta new about the brilliant scientist, Bardock

[@ctv186]

I think in a manga I read, the original Spirit Bomb Goku had was much more powerful than the one Krillin took and threw. But I suppose similar results will happen if Goku doesn't receive backup. I think the deciding factor in either scenario was Gohan going Oozaru, and Vegeta had no way of knowing Gohan could randomly regain his tail that quickly and use his own artificial moon against him.

[@madmax6220]

I love that you give even the plolybags detailed reviews like this. I love these small/€10,- sets but i dont like the recent lack of functions.

[@sascha495]

Why would Vegeta track Gohan and Krillin down? He gets into his pod and gives the planet a terrible case of explosion .... Very contagious

[@freeminded7]

Uh dragon balls? Have you ever seen DBZ?

[@aprilshowers2165]

@sascha495 the whole reason Vegeta was on planet Earth was to conquer Earth to sell for Frieza, plus getting the dragon balls. The last thing he would do is destroy it

[@fightingfalcon777]

@@aprilshowers2165Well, he knows the Dragon Balls on the planet are gone now with Piccolo dead. He was ready to destroy Earth with the Galick Gun before even transforming. With the Dragon Balls gone, meaning he can’t wish for immortality to fight Frieza, Earth serves no purpose for him

[@jadenC236]

Fire as always

[@EumelaninKnight]

At least he learned his lesson. Never used that form intentionally ever again lol.

[@carterslade9252]

Dude i do somewat agree with u til the krillin and gohan not sensing the battle thing, they were aware of the fight the whole time also wen they were flying its not like they were fast leaving the only conserving their strength incase but still left cuz Goku asked and also they didnt want to burden Goku cuz like again he asked, even if he didnt transform they could still sense Goku's energy depleting and definitely rushed back to make it a 3v1, or 4v1 if Yajarobi did decide to do a type of sneek attack and did Succeed, so yeah eitherway they might have still won either way cuz one other thing u also forgot with Vegeta, in tbis point he's still too Cocky and prideful if krillin or Goku, hell even Gohan picked it up they could've used it to their advantage and caught Vegeta off Gaurd, im Just 'Saiyan'

[@EndoScorpion]

Gohan and Krillin were flying fast. They were not paying attention to Goku's energy levels. But if they did they would have sensed Goku's dip down after the kaioken x4 wrecked him. But they didn't notice that. They only noticed the bright light shining from the direction they came from. Only THEN did they sense a "huge chi just exploded". They didn't know whose it was. Gohan didn't think it was his dad's, and then assumed Goku might be in trouble, so decided to go back. Krillin even tried to stop Gohan. So if Vegeta didn't create the artificial moon, Gohan and Krillin would not have gone back.

[@dwightnorton3398]

Great what if

[@atomicgaming3359]

Didn't Goku state that he lost most of the energy for the Spirit bomb when he got hit by Vegeta so the spirit bomb would do more damage

[@SaiyanScholar]

Yea it would have done more damage. Not even Goku's own power. Vegeta still dealt with it. Not certain Oozaru Vegeta would lose to it. He could simply get back up and squash Goku who was already out of gas. Vegeta kept getting up from everything, even in Base Form which was x10 weaker.

[@AFterMath-ld1vr]

Exactly the spirit bomb would have done more damage so Vegeta potentially would have died from it. So although I like his videos the end result is null and void.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Except Vegeta was x10 stronger and less fatigued meaning it would most likely cancel out the "lost" spirit energy hit. Vegeta still stopped him anyway so it doesn't matter. That's how you play the game... not letting someone hit you lol

[@reignjudgment1028]

I thought this was pretty common knowledge lol. Goku is literally by far the weakest saiyan we have EVER seen. And vegeta is this strongest. It only became a rivalry due to goku’s plot armor. He just randomly starts getting massive leaps in strength during the namek arc. Amps that vegeta literally cannot even fathom. And vegeta was definitely asking the right questions because from his perspective a saiyan has NEVER grown that strong that quickly. Thats the whole reason he comes to the conclusion that goku must’ve been a super saiyan. And from that moment on goku was superior to vegeta. But naturally it was never even a contest.

[@josealers8003]

I agree vegeta is a G but the spirit bomb was a weaker one from the one he made.

[@THEE_SAGA_]

Vegeta beat Goku in that fight full stop though. Gohan and co actually beat him

[@MightyGreenLantern17]

I think if Goku had another week on King Kai's planet, he could have gotten the kaioken up to x5 or higher, and it would have been a different outcome

[@lukesmith2323]

I want to see a "What If Goku learned how to control the Great Ape form before killing Grandpa Gohan"

[@raymoon439]

Theres a reason goku is synonymous with ass pulls.

[@charlesrios8542]

A counter argument could be that Vegeta is older, so it makes sense vegeta is stronger when they first meet.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Vegeta had an elite power level throughout growing up. Which is far more than 400-ish that Goku had at the Start of Z. In fact, Vegeta's toddler power was no doubt higher than Start of Z Goku lol

[@raphaelb5237]

Yes vegeta had a power lvl of 13k as a kid

[@ericgunner4121]

It's wild when I see people saying Vegeta lost against goku in Majin form...goku literally says in the Manga that at SSj2 they are equal. And top that off dispelling Majin form...he trained in the after life for YEARS. And Roshi said in super Vegeta in rage mode ssj2 was temporarily STRONGER than SSj3 Goku. Power scaling is just determined by seconds in this series and the writers.

[@ZangetsuGetsuga7]

Bro , Why the Circle is not with the Pointer

[@SaiyanScholar]

Yea

[@DDOMINICK]

Goku strength comes from trusting other and others trusting him. Vegeta strength comes from his ego

[@nicholashayes5773]

You're absolutely right. Why did Goku win? Because he used techniques learned from a demigod. Because he got special treatment after he died, got to keep his body, got to train with beings that no normal mortal would ever be able to train with, and even came back to life (also unnatural). Vegeta was the stronger natural fighter for sure.

[@theinktician]

So god help me if people don't know this. I came from the Gohan video with the same "REEE Common Sense!" reaction, but seeing this in the corner of my eye did make me laugh. At no point did we even know that Vegeta trained until he was shown doing it on screen.

[@Goku-el3lk]

Arrows and a circle?

[@ProjectxJoJoXIIth]

isnt vegeta naturally stronger because he's an elite saiyan? i mean,that's thr shortest answer i tried to do

[@buildurtruckurway9118]

The only thing you didn't account for is the fact that goku would have been more than willing to pull off a suicide attack in his last moments. Id be willing to put 100% that if Vegeta didn't transform goku would have probably pulled off another x4 or even a x5 and died protecting the earth. Atleast that's the way it would have most likely been written

[@ItsMe-yx1zi]

Most of the Sections are just the math. Read the 7th Section if you just want the most likely outcome. Read the 8th Section if you want the only way Goku would win. Read 6th Section with it for extra detail. Section 6 and 8 go hand and hand 1) Kaioken 5x Goku wouldn't be worth anything. Goku had nearly zero energy. His power level was probably 750 at best. I'm aware that's probably more than generous to Goku since he could barely stand after forming a Spirit Bomb, but he did manage to stand up after taking a hit from Great Ape Vegeta. That means he had to have at least a significant amount of power before taking the hit. Kaioken 5x Goku would be a power level of 3,750. Let's say Goku was willing to kill himself with a Kaioken 100x. Goku would get a power level of 7,500. That isn't enough. He wouldnt even be on par with Vegeta, not to mention the fact that it will only last for a short time. It's a pointless suicide. He would need to figure out something else to win. 2) Something has been overlooked in this video that is in Goku's favor though. Goku lost at least half the Spirit Bombs energy against Great Ape Vegeta. We need to give Goku the favor of him hitting Vegeta with a Spirit Bomb with all of its energy. Vegeta would still most likely survive that though. Especially since he doesn't have his tail cut off, Vegeta has plenty of strength to survive. 3) Lets find an estimated power level for Vegeta after being hit by Spirit Bomb in the Canon Version. Vegeta probably lost 1/4 of his energy at most. We will he generous to Goku and say he lost half since Vegeta even had to bring up the fact his power level drops like it was somewhat of an issue. That puts Vegeta's Power Level to 9,000. Vegeta didn't really lose any additional power until he lost his tail, going back to his base form. Now losing makes a Saiyan lose power. Considering the difference in power Goku had with a tail and no tail, I would say a tail gives a Saiyan roughly a 10% power boost. Let's take away 20% of Vegetas Power since it's very possible an Elite Saiyan could have more of a power boost from there tails. It's also more generosity for Goku in this fight. After Vegeta has his tail cut off, he would be at 7,200. He handled a 3v1 easily at that point. He still had the upperhand though. Gohan was 2,800 at Best while Krillin was roughly 1,800 at best. Yajirobe was roughly 1,000. Vegeta's power level of 7,200 destroys that. After a half energy Spirit Bomb, Vegeta still destroyed all 3 of the Z Fighters. Considering his ability to still beat all 3 Z Fighters like he did, Vegeta most likely had a power level of 3,500 to 4,000. We'll say 3,500 to be in favor of Goku. 7,200 to 3,500 is nearly a 50% loss in power level, but the main point is his power level dropped by about 3,500. That means the a Spirit Bomb with 50% of it's energy is about a power level of 3,500. I guess one with 100% energy is about a power level of 7,000 . We can give say it's 7,200 since it's all estimated. 4) Now that we have established a Spirit Bomb is estimated to be a power level of 7,200, let's do some math. Vegeta has a Power Level of 18,000 prior to making a moon. Let's just put him at 16,000 since his power level had to drop some from exhaustion in the fight. I think a drop of 2,000 is completely fair. Vegeta has over 2x that that power level, so he could easily tank it, but let's say it hurts him to the point his power level drops by 7,200. That would put Vegeta's power level to 8,800. 5) Now Vegeta was given a lot of the odds against him, but 8,800 to 750 is not in Goku's favor. Even Kaioken 100x is only 7,500. That's not nearly enough. He'll die from the Kaioken and accomplish nothing. 6) Best Outcome in the what if scenario is that Goku hits Vegeta with the Spirit Bomb at 100% energy. Then Gohan and Krillin come back with a plan and Gohan still grows a tail back. Gohan would reach a power level of roughly 3,000 with a tail. Unfortunately Gohan at roughly 3,000, Krillin at roughly 1,800 and Yajirobe at roughly 1,000 isn't much help for Goku at roughly 750 against Vegeta at roughly 8,800. 7) The most likely outcome in the what if scenario with all of these odds is Vegeta tanks the Z Fighters and wins. 8) The only way they would win is if Yajirobe cuts off Vegeta's tail to drop his power level to roughly 7,000. Then Goku decides to use a Kaioken 5x as he fights along side Gohan and Yajirobe to distract Vegeta. Then finally emding it with Krillin being able to get a lucky shot with a destructo disk during the distraction, killing Vegeta.

[@CrazyMouadBasketball]

#JusticeForAppule

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

ITT: Scientific analysis every 13 year old boy did in the 90s.

[@shiftsallday807]

Can he beat goku though

[@EndoScorpion]

He did beat Goku.

[@Rafael-w4j]

Sometimes.

[@JasonBaconKing]

You are forgetting something. The spirit bomb krillin hit vegeta with was just remnants of the one for ozaaru vegeta, which means it is just whatever he could hold onto while getting crushed. Not only could goku build enough to hit a 10x stronger vegeta in moments, but he could be more accurate with how much he uses when he is not getting the spirit bomb squeezed out of him, literally like spirit bomb orange juice. Goku would win if he hits with the spirit bomb no diff

[@SaiyanScholar]

Not certain it would beat Oozaru Vegeta. Either way, Vegeta still dealt with it and it wasn't even Goku's own power. Great comment tho!

[@JasonBaconKing]

@@SaiyanScholar definitely not a certainty, but the way i see it is like this. An improv “it’s better than nothing” weapon is never as good as one that is calibrated precisely to be able to kill your enemy. Like if this was real life and we had two people, one that got their ass beat and had a spoon in their pocket or a guy that has a baseball bat and is more fresh, who is going to be able to defend themselves better against a home invasion. That being said goku has the bomb hit or he loses every time, or if it hits and goku rushes it and it isn’t strong enough goku is cooked, vegeta has been known to be incredibly durable. He shows it against recoome, zarbon, frieza and especially kid buu, taking blasts that hurt ssj3 goku and calls kid buu a fake and a trickster and is the only one to make kid buu genuinely scared for his life which imo is one of the greatest feats in the entire series I’d give goku a 60% or so win rate if he properly makes the spirit bomb and it connects

[@beanie1636]

Dude, are you Welsh?

[@CeeDoubleU]

Kiwi

[@EricHester-ww4uc]

You're forgetting that Goku said that he dropped most of the power for the spirit bomb before it wad thrown at Vageta. Or was that an anime only? I haven't read the Manga in decades.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Yeah that's true. Oozaru Vegeta would still tank it and get up. The way Base Vegeta still fought on and fought Oozaru Gohan AND got up constantly, I think Vegeta would still be in the game and Goku would stay all out of juice

[@justgabriel6154]

had more power but Yajirobe cut it... cmon now

[@AlmostCoolGuys]

Sneak attacks hit diff

[@Bobboerba]

@@AlmostCoolGuysyou of guard you’re basically a toddler against a pitbull

[@Bobboerba]

@@AlmostCoolGuyssneak attack no difs

[@AlmostCoolGuys]

@@Bobboerba even in super. Look at Goku in Revival F. Not paying attention and even a weak shot will take you down.

[@younggenah4940]

Real Sum☄☄☄

[@Destrugamer5001]

I agree that Goku would have lost... but remember that Goku lost most of the spirit bomb power after great ape vegeta crushed goku.. and there was only some power left that krillin took... so if goku somehow was able charge the bomb and hit vegeta.. he could actually have a chance to win... but IF he did that somehow.. and I don't think Vegeta could survive it like frieza did... Vegeta was a lot weaker at that point of story and u have some z fighters to draw power to the spirit bomb from them too...

[@elbryn1]

Him.

[@kal-elthelast8834]

🤔 Agree Vegeta W.

[@CeeDoubleU]

Escape the ape 😎

[@takemytaki]

i think vegeta take longer to get stronger cause of his prestige rank frfr

[@papicarlos8618]

Goku is the MC that’s all it is Vegeta definitely deserves to be stronger

[@Pretty_MMA]

This is like the 12th time you told this f*cking story

[@SaiyanScholar]

And I'll keep going until the "Goku won" narrative is fully destroyed.

[@freeminded7]

Except he didn’t. If vegeta won, he would have you know, won. So like not run away. Pretty easy to debunk.

[@SaiyanScholar]

He won the battle with Goku. Read the actual dialogue and Goku admits defeat. When others interfered it was a war zone and not a 1 vs 1 anymore.

[@fouraztecas6342]

Dude they guy was born with a power level 18000😂😂😂 N the other 1

[@JO-iv7tl]

I literally thought vegeta was stronger because he was older.

[@juanmanuelmontivero4473]

I dont get it. Someone had a doubt that Vegeta was way stronger than Goku at this time of the story???

[@ultimateyagerman]

@@juanmanuelmontivero4473 yes The same sort of fan boys who think 17 is as strong as ssb in DBS

[@JosephShemelewski]

But isn't a tail just a long butt pĕñi§

[@WorldCurse]

I don’t understand this level of copium lol have yall watched the anime at all?

[@davidcarty7584]

Bro did you even see The video, in fact did you even watch DBZ?

[@WorldCurse]

@ yes and yes.

[@battleworld2457]

Vegeta is stronger than Gokû in this fight, one part because Vegeta is 5 years older than Gokû, and other part because Vegeta has a way better environment to train and to have the level of 18 000. If the fates were reversed, Gokû would have more than 18 000 and Vegeta less than 8 000, for sure. Since Gokû and Vegeta have the same environment, the same trainings, Gokû has crushed Vegeta nearly everytime. Gokû is just the superior fighter and martial artist. Even Vegeta admits that in the end of Buu saga. Yeah in Saiyen Arc, Vegeta was far better and he would win without all circumstances in favor of Z Team, but we forget that Vegeta's life before this fight was way better to train and to have a decent level (+ 5 years older, Vegeta as a child already trains with the best equipments in the universe, when Gokû isn't born yet). So yeah, your video talks about Saiyen Saga, and here indeed Vegeta was way stronger. But his life before really advantages Vegeta, and I disagree with your title, Vegeta is absolutely not naturally stronger, you made both with the exact same life, Gokû wins everyday. The only argument I can see, it's if you say that Vegeta is probably born with more than 2 units. But even here it makes no sense, because maybe all Saiyens are born with more than that, and the stronger Saiyen alive is Gokû, despite his training conditions way less efficient, and his age lower than old Saiyens, like his father, King Vegeta or even Paragus.

[@kungfuhusler]

Vegeta is literally the antagonist that joins your party and is way less powerful than when you had to fight him.😂😂😂😂😂

[@LoreCamargo-g8n]

No he isn't I still think he's as weak as ever. He always loses to people as strong as him barely hits them, breaks his arm, and stop using his head when became ssj in z was a angry punching bag.

[@felldoh9271]

lmao I like the way you think

[@taliawtf6944]

Too bad Toriyama hated Vegeta lol

[@e8root]

FYI those circles and arrows pointing at random things are irritating as hell and reason why I don't click on your videos. Came here just to tell you this. Downvoting.

[@SaiyanScholar]

Thanks for viewing