Dragon Ball Super - The Biggest Disaster In Anime

In this video, we look at the Dragon Ball Super Anime.
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[@extremepop324]

Goku in DBS - "I never cared about saving innocent people, I only care about fighting strong opponents" F*ck dragonball super with a passion

[@miguelanderson4116]

Facts my guy in z yeah he loved to fight but he did cared by people hr even moved the fight away from civilians

[@cgxbxxbxbcb]

Honestly... vegito defusing due to his power being too strong doesn't make sense😂😂

[@SonicKirbo]

But that was indeed the plot, it's "OH SHIT HE'S TOO STRONG PEOPLE LIKE HIM TIME TO END HIM"

[@Vidvidambusgame]

The earrings had a time limit like in the bus saga. The earrings were barely enough to keep the fusion stable since fusion wasn't technically supposed to happen with them, they weren't made for it. So the increase in power decreasing the time makes sense, since they weren't designed for neither fusion nor the godly power of SSJ Blue. Feel free to correct me on this

[@cgxbxxbxbcb]

@@SonicKirbo but by that logic kelfa should've defused as soon as she went lssj 😂

[@damnedifido1062]

Completely defeats the purpose of the potara fusion compared to the dance

[@wegoku7274]

@@Vidvidambusgame Wrong. Originally, the Potara were supposed to keep Goku and Vegeta fused forever. Them unfusing inside of buu was for plot convience. Then super came along and retconned everything.

[@Tiger-makhulu]

When gohan turned super saiyan 2, it felt monumental and well deserved. All the training and hidden potential had finally peaked. Now these characters just get ss2 for nothing!

[@stevvejobss]

None of the sayians in the tournament besides cabba should’ve gotten it

[@LobellaKai]

@This Is Tohma damn

[@sugondeez1708]

@This Is Tohma as bad as it is, at least he didn't use the damn tingly back and was the fusion of two saiyans with the biggest potential. It isn't good writing, but supers writing isn't any better

[@sugondeez1708]

@This Is Tohma gotenks is a fusion. Caulifia is a single fighter. Goten and trunks are the hybrid saiyan offsprings of two of the most powerful fighters in the universe. Caulifia is a nobody who is stated to be a prodigy to protect the bad writing and justify her devaluing the transformations we grew up admiring

[@sugondeez1708]

Bro deleted his replies knowing he lost the argument XD

[@cartman2335]

This sums up a lot of my feelings on Super. I remember watching Battle of Gods and actually being interested in what this new era of DB would bring, Goku screaming "I will not let you destroy my world" was the closest anything after GT had come to making me feel something. I knew something was wrong when F came out and there was already a new form, then Whis completely undermining the stakes of the world getting destroyed and things only became worse from there. I laughed when they re-did Vegeta's final explosion in the ToP but he just survives because he's stronger now or whatever. Surface level nostalgia, zero stakes, going through the motions. No thought or care as to what the moment should mean for the character.

[@austin31697]

I still blame the over use of the Dragonballs they're suffering from it,altering the story and timelines.

[@michaelperrigo]

@@austin31697 someone should have destroyed all of the "wish orbs" forever

[@austin31697]

@@michaelperrigo facts only thing they did was insult your intelligence and made fighters gaining new forms extremely pointless if they were just going to wish everything back

[@austin31697]

@@michaelperrigo you even have the higher beings in the universe GIVING fighters (Gohan) power w/o training the same person who gave Gohan power also gives his life up for Goku 😂

[@breadisyummy_]

Exactly, the only glimpse of nostalgia was kaioken

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Super artwork is disgrace characters look really weird too skinny too small. They don't look like fighters

[@joeda900]

Cabba, Caulifla and Kale are prime exemple Broly still has the look, Jiren looks like one too. Yeah that's about it

[@lessthanpinochet]

They barely even look like DB characters. Super ugly artstyle.

[@SamuelRondreigz4720]

That’s an opinion, not a fact.

[@rocklee33221]

@@SamuelRondreigz4720 that’s a fact not an opinion

[@beantea5592]

Who's too skinny or too small? Is all you want for goku to keep getting ridiculously bigger forever?

[@conorkelly4152]

Just the fact that Goku would EVER let a bunch of universes be in danger of eraser including his own is so ridiculous. All his friends should literally hate him after that 👀 and people say him throwing cell a senzu bean was bad...

[@motherplayer]

But don't you get it? They were gonna erase it all anyway so this was a good thing for everyone to get a fighting chance. Who cares if Goku didn't actually know that would be the case until later, he can't be held accountable! Bleh.

[@sammydray5919]

@@motherplayer i know you are being sarcastic but God I despise that line of reasoning sooooo fucking much whenever people try to legitimately use that as a valid excuse 😑😑😑

[@beantea5592]

@@sammydray5919 That's literally the story line though. Either way he never asked for those potential consequences. He just wanted to participate in a tournament and that was dropped on him at which point he couldn't back out. So what exactly is your complaint?

[@imadeyoureadthis1]

Goku gave them a chance at redemption. Also they weren't going to be destroyed forever. The only universe with a chance of destruction was the winning one that didn't wish for the other universes to re exist. Since they wished for the restoration, nobody perishes. Grand priest said so.

[@notyourdaddude1957]

@@beantea5592 Lol even though he didn't knew that the universe who lose will be erased, he still didn't realized the real situation he was in and acted like it was another Sunday

[@christopherballero866]

A large part of the problem with Super is that everyone needs to be on par with Blue but how's everyone supposed to compete against characters with a lot of power & experience like Goku & Vegeta. Kale & Caulifla went from not knowing about Super Saiyan to being able to beat Blue within a few episodes. The same can be said of characters like: 17, Frieza, Broly, & even Toppo too

[@Mastasrasmas]

imo I would exclude frieza as he is a prodigy since the start toppo and broly is questionable but toppo is a training god of destruction and for broly idk android 17 shouldn’t be able to match blue regardless of his infinite energy or the amount of training

[@lancetheking7524]

@@Mastasrasmas tbf the android went from average human level to match actual super saiyans

[@c-man2475]

You can exclude Toppo, he was training with Belmond for who knows how long

[@loregasmic]

Frieza having that rate of growth makes sense because being a prodigy who never trained is in line with his character, which is that royalty shouldn't have to train, hard work is for peasants, etc. As for Android 17, as stated above he went from being a regular human who probably never did any martial arts to being above Super Saiyan level just with Earth technology. It stands to reason that his rate of growth from training would be similar to Frieza's, and with infinite ki he can do it all day.

[@WolfXGamerful]

I equate it to Kale, Caulifla, and Cabba having a similar amount of knowledge of how to manipulate their ki like Goku and Vegeta do, and all they really needed was someone to do it in front of them so that they can execute it the same way. Kinda like getting the basics of something down but seeing something advanced would urge you to attempt to do it too.

[@ForceEdge47]

Bro are you watching me?? How are you uploading these bangers as soon as I get off work and sit down with a plate of food?? God bless man, absolute veteran behavior as usual Scholar.

[@Allplussomeminus]

This sounds so relatable.

[@ForceEdge47]

@@RobinTheMetaGod I don’t value your opinions

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@shashankm9449 no

[@Koi_Swirl]

@@shashankm9449 chainsaw man would lose to Yamcha, so weak.

[@vergiltheartofpower6616]

God Ki is just a normal Ki with an extra shiny painting if it can be beaten by a Normal Ki, plus if you're SSB shouldn't it be able to use the regeneration ability that SSG had? What even God Ki at this point.

[@kyoufuwooshieteyarou7206]

Exactly When Goku acquired god form I expected that to be a new tier in power which sparked the beginning of a new journey into a whole new world of power for Goku and soon to follow after, obviously Vegeta and at least the rest of the Saiyans, that set them in a league seperate from and untouchable by mortals without God Ki. Thus the new adventures and challenges of Super revolving around that and showing us a new side of the dragonball universe. (Zamasu at least fits into this. I haven’t straight up read the nee manga but from my understanding Morro fits into this) Only for them to be portrayed getting smacked around by super saiyan “prodigies”

[@DilonMoodley]

"He looks like the last 5 remaining french fries you see at the bottom of your McDonald's box" 😂 so true. He's as thin as a stick

[@MJHop95]

They should end Super with Goku waking up from a fever dream when he was sick just before the androids! LOL

[@head_bussa]

The attempt to alter Dragon Ball Z history is what really annoys me about Dragon Ball Super. A couple of examples are: they changed the power of the potara earrings from being used forever to just being used for a short period of time. They changed the history about Freiza destroying planet Vegetea because he was afraid of a Sayain rising and defeating him. Beerus gave Frieaza the order to destroy planet Vegeta.

[@azkar65]

Frieza pretty much became a joke character at this point

[@TheFracturedfuture]

Changing the reason why Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta is criminal.

[@jeremyhamerschlag5961]

Dragon ball super had so much potential. It's a shame they didn't take advantage of it

[@DragonClapTV]

"The last 5 remaining French fries" bro hilarious 😂🤣

[@SaiyanScholar]

Lmao. Cabba should have had a Spartacus looking physique with that outfit 😂

[@nopemanpsycho]

If only Dragon Ball super had good writing it would’ve been so peak

[@TheEmperorRaidou]

and not making Goku a brainless joke

[@rocklee33221]

It needs more then writing, the arts bad, the animation is bad, the fights are horrible to watch, it’s sounds terrible, the music sucks, it’s just a complete disaster. GT is off the hook super is the worst. Dbz cost 55k per ep, dbs cost 180k per ep nothing can make this better other then erasing it from reality

[@Ajz092]

Words cannot describe how cathartic this video made me feel. Finally, someone else who gets it. DBS as a whole is TRASH, and you gave 100% valid reasons as to why it's trash. Unfortunately, all of the ignorant DBS fanboys will storm this comment section without even watching the video and start off going: "wElL, aCkShUaLlY DBS iS gOoD cUz (insert invalid reason here)". I've seen it time and time again. These same idiots tell me I'm just nostalgia blind to the old stuff. News flash, I never left. There is no nostalgia. Z is good, because IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD. Same with Ball, I didn't watch it until I was in my 20s, and you know what? It's easily a much better show than Super is. GT too. Sure, GT's execution could use some work, but damn, the amount of love put into that show is painfully obvious. Yet, the Super fanboys only focus on Vegeta's moustache and/or leather pants. Goku being a little kid. And of course, the whole "iT's NoNcAnOn" thing. As if these people understand what continuity is, or even watched the old stuff.

[@homomagii]

Facts. It’s horrible although my favorite character is still Vegeta till this day idc about any other character to be honest 😅😂

[@oimctv3642]

Facts, dbs fans must be kids or dumb retards.

[@mikumika3819]

Ultra Instinct and Muten Roshi's big moment in the tournament of power both deserved to be in a better show FR (also the moment where Tenshinhan's finally uses his technuiqe that allows him to summon multiple arms again)

[@wesxd5292]

It is non canon but makes Goku young physically DBS is canon but makes Goku young mentally I'll take the non canon physically young one anytime since it isn't making Goku dumb af like the canon (anime i must add) did.. like they made his IQ like Luffy's 💀💀💀

[@OrangeStarHighSchool]

@@wesxd5292 we'll toriyama totally said it was canon back in the day..it was officially licensed by toei Funimation Konami bird studios shuesha etc. It was in all the games and TBH even if there was and is a DBS manga it literally can't be canon because it ret cons it's source material. GT is in the same canonical timeline.

[@matthew4780]

I remember being really dissapointed by Yamcha not participating in the tournament (for context, I watched the original DB before Z and he's my favorite character) but then I saw what Tien's role was and I realised maybe it was for the better, it's one of those weird cases where literally "nothing" is better than such degrading participation.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

At least he survived being in middle of beerus and champs clash, same who could effortlessly destroy universe 6 and 7 with this 💀

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 That was a cool moment...that was taken away by that fucking death pose that has been overused to years and just done for meme purposes from people from a country where their comedy is running a joke into the ground. Yamcha didn't get to be cool again until fucking Moro. From Saiyan Saga to Moro that is 25 years of being the joke of the cast.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

@@Violent_Wolfen at least better than being forgotten like raditz

[@trecjaintgoin]

yamchA has literally done nothing since the original dragon ball series what's there to be disappointed about

[@vyshnavvenkatesh4902]

@@Violent_Wolfen he wasn’t that cool in db tho, he always got beat in the first round of every tournament in a degrading way, he didn’t rlly do much against king piccolo or any of piccolos kids or the red ribbon army. His only good moments were in fortune teller baba and pilaf arcs. But yea they been doing him even worse since then.

[@Web720]

DBS ALWAYS felt like fanfic made anime to me. It wasn't a surprise to me when I learned a fanfic author helped in a lot of ways to make DBS, Toyataro. He did DBAF, which was kinda bad and also felt fanfic.

[@impackmusiq5236]

Not even fanfict would be this trash

[@snipamontage6222]

Fan fictions can be really really good mind you. This is just pure bad work.

[@loregasmic]

0:40 The only moment that came close to being peak Dragon Ball for me was Goku and Frieza teaming up against Jiren in Episode 131. Matter of fact that whole episode was perfect, if all of DBS had the same quality put into it we'd have no complaints.

[@kumarayush9950]

That's the moment I hated the most tbh .. it should've been Vegeta and Goku .. i don't really care that much about Vegeta's character but the author should give the man some respect

[@loregasmic]

@@kumarayush9950 Facts about Vegeta but I was good with this particular choice because Goku and Vegeta already paired up multiple times in the TOP so it wouldn't have had the same weight as seeing Goku and Frieza for the first time. Goku also needed to validate himself for picking Frieza in the first place, he took a lot of heat for that so it had to make a much bigger difference than just taking Fat Buu's spot.

[@lanigironu9842]

@@kumarayush9950 bro we seen goku and vegeta a million times already if anything it should have been goku and gohan

[@kumarayush9950]

@@lanigironu9842 would've absolutely loved Goku and Gohan tbh .. but Frieza finish was the worst imo .. if they wanted to give him a moment then they would've made him beat Dyspo

[@michaeltallsman2740]

That moment when Goku is in base form but you can see his hair flicker gold as he struggles to go super saiyan, mustering every last ounce of strength in him . . . damn. DBS needed more moments like that.

[@marcosdiaz2717]

The Zeno button.. That is the pinnacle of stupidity. Any threat that bestowed, on our heroes, have defaulted on a button.. Zeno will save the day! Tragedy no more!

[@caryslan5890]

Honestly, the Zeno button was used one time in Super and it became very clear why you never call Zeno out to handle things. Because he nuked the timeline that Future Trunks came from and it one of the only times things weren't magically fixed with the Dragon Balls. Everyone acts like Goku pushed the Zeno Button every arc and don't even bother to look at the context of why it was pushed or the massive fallout that happened.

[@marcosdiaz2717]

@@caryslan5890 The writers of Super, underwhelmed the plot and character development. Zeno is the end all spectacle.. It's a step up to the dragon balls, and wishing everyone back to life. Zeno, is the ultimate form.

[@TheFracturedfuture]

​@@caryslan5890Stop defending garbage writing.

[@dcb6729]

I hate Super. I get tired of arguing with blind stupid fans that are in denial about how terrible the show is. I hope this show never comes back.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Don't worry, Dragon Ball Super will never come back. There is no salvation for the Dragon Ball franchise.

[@Animesaga376]

you people just have to bark over every popular anime

[@dcb6729]

@@Animesaga376 Because it's trash. Super compared to previous Dragon Ball shows; sucks. You can tell they're out of ideas, and it was just a big cash grab. SSJ 1,2,3, God red, God Blue, Ultra Instinct. What next? Purple, green, pink, orange? 🤭😆😂😂😂😂😂 Lame. The story arcs are boring as F***. Mostly tournaments and some lame villains. The last arc was the only good thing about this show.

[@Animesaga376]

@@dcb6729 still better than mid punch man and mid Kaisen

[@Animesaga376]

@@dcb6729 then get lost you people can just bark nothing else 😂

[@misterjersey5460]

This... made me respect GT, despite it's problems.

[@SobiesawChabaz]

I feel like GT suffered mainly from arcs being too short. The entirety of GT had as many episodes as a single Z arc lol, there wasn't enough build up for anything. The concepts were awesome, with the first part being basically a throwback to OG Dragon Ball, the evil dragons meaning there's actually consequences for using the dragon balls, SSJ4 being a form that makes sense because it's what a saiyan should have looked like from the start imo, there was a lot to like there, a lot of creativity went into it. They just rushed it too hard.

[@felixargyle20]

No seriously. After I finished super I actually went and rewatched gt. That...that's saf

[@Prince_Vegeta1-d9n]

Gt suffered from Goku being a kid for too long

[@darnelwashinton1295]

Watching other KZbinrs gaslight themselves and shill for the show - not sure if it's because they are acting like abused girlfriends of Toei or because their income requires Super's success - but it's the saddest crap. They legitimately try to power scale this crap. Like what? Bro Roshi fought Jiren. Stop even trying, they killed it. It's dead. Let it be dead.

[@maritimesteak8540]

Dragon ball super being marketed more for kids than before hurt the series quality imo

[@SaiyanScholar]

Agreed. Super is a giant marketing machine from start to finish.

[@lucidmind9676]

The thing that made me love the manga and forgive some of the issues with it in the beginning is that since the anime got ahead of the manga during U6 arc, Toyotaro at least tried to clean up and clear up some of the things that didn’t make sense in anime such as explaining why Vegeta loss so quickly to Hit. He also had the pressure of expectations following up after the anime because for example, Vegito Blue being used was Toei’s idea and wasn’t actually in Toriyama’s outline but because fans were so hyped about Vegito’s return, Toyotaro included him in the manga too but did the correct way of making Vegito dominate Zamasu the whole fight. I give the man credit because not only was he dealing with criticism (some justifiable) he also had to follow fans expectations from the anime while also trying to stay true to Toriyama’s outline while also trying to fix some of the issues and lack of explanations the anime did. Super definitely needs to stick to manga first, then anime especially since Toriyama is actually much more involved in helping Toyotaro than he was with Toei’s staff so if anything, Toyotaro’s story’s would be more closer to what Toriyama envisioned since Toriyama is actually helping and approving Toyotaro’s ideas and storylines

[@motherplayer]

Also really helped that they ultimately decided to only be able to go back once in the manga before returning to finish the fight, as opposed to going back twice and actually mucking up some of the pacing because of it in the anime.

[@lucidmind9676]

@@motherplayer Fr, they go back too many times in anime to the point that I started skipping those episodes when I rewatch and go straight to the last time they go to Future after they had to retreat the first time

[@StevenJones851]

So it's Toei's Animations fault they should of just stick with following the Manga first the Anime had some unexplained screens and pacing is trash

[@WildStudios65150]

My list of things I HATE about Super. - Vegeta's redundant banter and same old egocentric and overconfident attitude all that character growth in Z and it hasn't shown. - Goku being dumber. - Poor animation quality I wanted the whole series to look as good as Battle of Gods and Resurrection F. - Giving Krillin the raw end of the deal in the Tournament of Power. - I hate Zamasu and all his talk about God's and Mortals LIKE WE HAVEN"T ALREADY HEARD THAT NOISE A MILLION TIMES ALREADY!!! (Honestly I think he's worst then Vegeta bout talking about himself). - Bulma and Chichi being at their worst in this series. - SUPER SAIYAN GOD NO LONGER LIVING UP TO THE HYPE AND BEING OUTGUNNED BY A STUPID RECOLOR OF A WAY BETTER FORM!!! (although I think it looks better on Vegeta then it does Goku). - Beerus pulling the same lying crap that Master Roshi did with the unnecessary Monaka in order to inspire Goku. -The Omni King being introduced and people are ranking now him as the strongest in Dragon Ball History it completely diminishes Goku as the best in all of Dragon Ball. - Goku being the most selfish he's ever been and it's made me lose respect for him (although they did bring back the whole multiverse in the end). - The Gods not acting like gods but more like pompous brats. - THE FACT THAT THEY KEEP SIDELINING THE FAN FAVORITE Z FIGHTERS AGAIN!!!. Verdict: At the end of the day Super is not the Dragon Ball I was introduced to back when I played Budokai 3 it just doesn't feel like Dragon Ball to me it's an utter redundant mess honestly I think GT is way better it gave us the best ending in the series and it should've stopped there before it got stupid although I do love Battle of Gods and DBS Broly I can do without the rest of Super I'm not giving any praise to this insult to the series although I do like a lot of things that Super did for the series for me the cons out way the pros the OG Dragon Ball Trilogy Dragon Ball, Z, and GT is still the best you wanna know how I can come back to Dragon Ball with open happy arms?. Fix the mess that Super made.

[@lazuardisuharto8328]

Z is the best dragon ball series

[@Angenano]

dragon ball super really do be exposing me to how capitalism destroys art

[@bryanc7094]

Toriyama and Toei don’t care about anime or Japanese people. It’s just a paycheck now.

[@lorecow88]

"Capitalism" is a Marxist word for the free market. It's just plain old greed at play here.

[@JoshJaramillo]

Art only excels in a free society. Once the artist sells out the art ceases to be unique. Capitalism has nothing to do with. In communism, art is controlled by the state in most cases. Capitalism lets art get made, then the public chooses to support it or not. Blame the artist that sells out not an economic system.

[@sambeezy007]

Corporation = Greed and lack of originality just to get a paycheck

[@garenthal9638]

Free market would mean the most freedom to make whatever art you want. Capitalism gives incentive to buy art then bastardize it like Disney with Star Wars. In a government controlled economy the art would be more restrictive and you wouldn’t be free to criticize the gov in your art

[@MrKillacam11]

Mad respect to you bruh, I hear your pain while you recorded this. I hope it gets better, I truly do.

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video GT actually tried to make a great quality sequel to Z and succeeded outside of few downfalls Super just ruins DB for me, couldn't even finish the series, so disappointed only Super thing I like was the Broly movie, and that's only because it was more like DBZ, go figure the best parts of DBS was the few times it was close to DBZ.

[@yorknew423]

Succeeded?

[@devilshooter126m8]

@@yorknew423 for the time maybe not, but people are waking up that GT wasn't as bad as claimed for years

[@yorknew423]

@@devilshooter126m8 Because a worse sequel came out + rose tinted glasses. GT is aggressively mediocre and is a massive step down from it’s predecessors

[@devilshooter126m8]

@@yorknew423 well, i did say "a few downfalls" I wish GT did a few things better, but i'll take it over Super any day.

[@yorknew423]

@@devilshooter126m8 Fair enough

[@Gilbert_Dice_Gottfried]

I don’t think that db super is the worst disaster in anime history. Definitely kentaro miura dying with berserk unfinished is. Togashi having to quit writing and drawing yu yu hakusho because of the demands of the industry and failing health is worse than super. I think what you’re saying about super is right because it makes the rest of the dragon ball franchise look bad. People already don’t take dragon ball seriously enough but the fact that super exists just makes their opinions on dragon ball seem legitimate. Other anime disasters: Toei animation drawing out the one piece anime, making it unwatchable. Shonen jump cutting tite kubo’s time to finish up the final bleach arc. Kishimoto ruining his entire series by killing off his greatest villain only to replace it with a lame villain, just for a cheap plot twist. Boruto and dragon ball super are both ruining the respective source material of their original series. Plus they are just unwatchable sequels that only take the most corny, cringy, and stereotypical aspects of their original series.

[@kinorai]

I tried... But after whatever black Goku 's story, I was out. The story is so incredibly bad, and the stakes so ridiculously over the top for no reasons. GT was ... Better.

[@emersongalli5184]

I was so upset at Resurrection F's ending. Vegeta should've been the one who kills Freeza, after everything Freeza did to the Saiyan race. I rage quitted after the scene that Whis stopped time.

[@xdrastig_4207]

Can we talk for a moment about t.o.p rule "no killing". In dragonball... In a tournament... Where universes get erased... No killing... DOESN'T MAKE FUCKING SENSE

[@Toruvi]

this can be just to put some order in all the fights, if wasnt like this, jiren could just explode everyone in a sec

[@residential8100]

The only character that feels like a genuinely well written character was Zamasu, and he felt as powerful as he should be, sure, the ending of the future Trunks saga was not the best, but Zamasu was the best villain, and most well written character in all of DBS.

[@iTsBoOgA001]

I wish the writers would watch this. This is the most accurate retelling of super. I love dragonball super but it’s more missed opportunity than anything.

[@ianhadlock2405]

Toriyama just hasn't cared for a LONG time and toei has NEVER cared about it, just the cash. With these facts I don't know why it took them 2 decades to make this money grubbing trash. Gts excuse for being bad was toriyama wasn't completely involved. What's the excuse for Super? They actually made something WORSE than gt. Almost feels like they're punishing us for shitting on it all these years.

[@jtwilliams8895]

I enjoyed it. To suggest that DBGT is superior to DB Super is just sour grapes. Yes, some of the characters sucked, power scaling is ridiculous, SSJ is suddenly so easy to achieve. But, whatever. I still look forward to the return of Super

[@EchoKaslana]

This shares a lot of my feelings about Super as a series. I was iffy on the series when I saw the change in art style and how they slimmed everyone down. But I was the same, I kept watching hoping the next episode would be the episode that really got my to love this series like the previous ones. It was the Future Trunk ark that made me realize that Super just isn't for me. I love F. Trunks, he's my favorite character in the series. And I was excited to see him again though I did think it was a bit odd and somewhat of a nostalgia grab but I pushed on. I didn't initially like Goku Black but after awhile I could see the possible potential in his character. But just the whole way the arc played out disappointed me in a way I didn't think Dragon Ball could. The Zeno Button and Merged Zamasu becoming the universe...that's where I quit Super and just couldn't even be bothered to pay attention to the rest of the series. I only watched the Universal Tournament arc because my brother said the fights were better than the previous arcs. I like UI but that wasn't enough to fix what was broken for me. My ramblings aside, Super just feels like the team just went online, found a bunch of old fanfics from 2000s. Literally "let me copy your homework but I'll change it so it looks different". Fanfics aren't bad but Super just feels like a bunch of stolen ideas poorly written with inconsistent animation. It feels no proper thought was put into the story. It feels the characters weren't really considered. It felt like they were just throwing shit at a wall and hoping something would stick. But even if something did stick, they'd shrug and rinse and repeat. They nearly destroyed Goku's character. Vegeta gets shafted and everyone else is more of an afterthought than the main cast. I admit, as a kid I didn't appreciate GT, but after watching Super, I went back to see if my opinion from child me still held up. Honestly for GT's flaws, my only real issue with it are some of the "filler" episodes but overall its a well done serious. I feel like the only real positive to Super's existence is that it made me find an appreciation for GT. GT gave me a sense of satisfaction that Super can only dream of reaching. People can like Super, but I'd just like people to acknowledge that the creators didn't do it the justice it deserves.

[@cyberdemon6517]

at least most fanfics have consistent writing

[@deoxysandmew2162]

I always had problem with lack of damage/blood on the characters. After all, they are mortals that wield powers of a god. Wouldnt be a good idea to make them bleed to show that they are still flesh and bones??? Lack of blood on the gods of destruction or angels would suffice however as they were naturally godly. Born as gods. Honestly the whole "god ki" is what made whole series go upside down. Even GT with its ludicrous plot power ups, felt more natural without this god ki nonsense. All in all, db super is just junkfood for eyes. Edible, but thats about it.

[@zacarnold2970]

Not just edible, it actually taste good, why would you eat it otherwise?

[@deoxysandmew2162]

@@zacarnold2970 i think we both have different definition on taste bud.

[@zacarnold2970]

@@deoxysandmew2162 Well then why are you eating junk food then?

[@deoxysandmew2162]

@@zacarnold2970 Heh you misunderstood, i will let you figure this one out yourself.

[@deoxysandmew2162]

@@zacarnold2970 heh you still havent figured it out. Too bad. Im too tired to explain something so trivial.

[@YardratZ]

Dude. Super. Man. Na. They tripping. They be doing stuff just to do stuff. Pointless transformations. Goku Black was dope. But he lost his black Air Force Energy once he fused with the green guys. Then he became a nut job. And that bald head red and white pickle lookin dude was strong just because. No reason. I forgot his name. He was red and black with bulgy eyes. And the Body of Tien. And hit. Boy. Was he a waste. He could have been good. Man. Super sucks

[@Prince-Shogun]

Jiren?

[@AB-xm1ou]

We need another arc like the Moro Saga. I personally would like to see a fallen god of destruction arc. Sort of like an old rival of Beerus who lost out on the god of destruction position when Beerus was chosen coming back for revenge. It could be Vegeta centric arc since he's also training to use Hakaishin energy.

[@nabilahmed579]

Agreed. As much as I hate dbs, it was one of the arcs to acc have me interested and can acc say that it is decent. They need to make sure that shit is not stupid at the end

[@Snusmumrikean]

Naaah we really don't need more fanfiction arcs. If the manga keeps on going the way it is, im fully expecting Goku to be a reborn super special god and Vegeta to be his eternal rival also reborn. And Vegeta unlocking the sharingan and Goku befriending Oozaru that is inside him.

[@AB-xm1ou]

@@Snusmumrikean I know you're being sarcastic. Thing is Goku can't befriend the Oozaru inside him since he is the Oozaru. Also what kind of arc would you suggest then?

[@loregasmic]

@@AB-xm1ou Don't listen to him, he doesn't have any ideas. Like most haters he only knows how to say something sucks without adding anything constructive. At this point everything is going to seem like fanfiction because Dragon Ball from its beginning to the Buu Saga has been the status quo for decades, every possible idea you could come up with has already been done by somebody. A fallen God of Destruction (preferably from one of the destroyed universes who survived) at least makes sense because with the tiers of power the main cast is at now, who else could reasonably be a threat to them without asspull power-ups? Matter of fact, that's what Moro should have been. Merus should've been the fallen angel, and the two should have been working together covertly unbeknownst to the gods. Needless to say they dropped the ball with that one.

[@Requiem8040]

​@@loregasmic nah sounds too much like that merno fanfic garbage

[@churchiglesiabethel-piano4813]

You nailed and explained emotions i didnt know how to explain 😂 literally put all my feelings towards this show into a video. Especially the fact that there were so many great concepts that were not or were executed horrendously

[@Lovic777]

You said this, knowing damn well Boruto exists. I'm just playing he has very valid points.

[@rashidmohammad8653]

Boruto is Just the same vibe garbage from an golden era to garbage era

[@sephikong8323]

You compare how Dragon Ball and Naruto are being treated to how Bleach is being treated (with this legit God tier adaptation, 3 episodes in and the adaptation is flawless and the visuals of the show are perfect). Because yeah, DBS and Boruto struggle a lot in the writing department as is but even from a technical standpoint, the anime are really visually lacking apart from a few key scenes, you really feel that the budget they were given was tight. There isn't much to salvage honestly, it's just ...... disappointing (even as someone who never latched onto Naruto that much and always felt it was the weakest of the Big 3, I still feel insulted by Boruto lmao)

[@M3rtyville]

Boruto is better in every way than Super because: - there is actual tension - interesting characters - not every character gets ruined - has consequenses - has actual violence and good fights - has at least 1 good arc. Super doesn't even have a single decent or mediocre arc.

[@JamezP]

@@M3rtyville buuuut still boruto gets reset every arc and behaves like a brat again and some arcs switched places

[@M3rtyville]

@@JamezP that happens in every arc of Super. Goku and Vegeta still take turns and have to relearn to work together. At the end they have to use a plot device to solve the issue. Also both underestimate their opponents and Goku keeps getting caught off guard. Meanwhile Boruto now respects his dad and has an excuse to act bratty considering he is a child. Goku acting like a psychopath and not knowing basic shit after all the experiences and making amateur mistakes in battle isn't.

[@vekomaboomerang4094]

The writers story telling of DBS was a huge embarrassment to the 80's, 90's and 2000's fans. Dragon Ball Super was a good show, but there were four reasons that the anime tanked, and I also believed that Dragon Ball Kai had a lot to do with it. DBS turned Goku into a hillbilly and turned Piccolo and Vegeta into comic reliefs. There was no blood, because they felt the new generation were too sensitive. The major one problem was when Goku, Gohan, Vegeta and Future Trunks turned Super Saiyan. Their clothes should have been lighter colors after their auras disappeared, but the animators completely ignored that. Dragon Ball Super only lasted for three years, and the Tournament of Power saga ran for an entire year. However, the final saga brought back the dodging and the color was brought back as close as we were ever going to get to DBZ. I was hoping that Bruce Faulconer would return to give us, Beerus's theme, Hit's theme, Goku Black's theme, Zamazu's theme, Caulifla and Kale's themes, but that never happened.

[@theinktician]

My only thing is that 18 certainly wouldn't have been the same level as 17 because of free time alone to train. Freiza got a dumb boost from minimal training (dumb i know) so why not someone whose floor was higher than Freizas original ceiling? 17 was off screen for 12 years in-show so who knows. But the writers should have SHOWN us that he trained at the least

[@juuchanIRL]

if 17 trained on the level needed to reach ssj blue he would've destroyed earth or at least become noticed by the gang, not nobody even knowing where he is.

[@SonicKirbo]

7:40 Gohan trains through the entirety of Dragon Ball Super, after Freeza teaches him the same lesson for a second time so no, it wasn't 1 *Day* it was more like 1 *Year* .

[@cooper2211]

But wasn't that the point of the buu saga don't slack or get cocky?

[@zacarnold2970]

@@cooper2211 still better than gt Gohan.

[@SonicKirbo]

@@cooper2211 like I said *the same lesson for a second time* so you didn't fuckin read the comment

[@cooper2211]

@@zacarnold2970 I mean in his defense its years after buu and everything has been chill so makes sense for him to not really train. But super is just months after the buu arc

[@SonicKirbo]

@@cooper2211 bro Gohan trained during the timeskip to gt and end of z it literally states he *never* stopped training, which explains how he's so strong

[@nikeonnk]

It's true but i really believe some points were good like the Goku Black arc. Dbs would be remembered for me as : Good idea / Bad execution

[@M3rtyville]

When Super Dragon Ball Heroes has better storytelling, characterization and fights, you know your show is bad. Speaking of Heroes, they introduced Super Saiyan 4 avatars giving us the first official child Super Saiyan 4 and the first female Super Saiyan 4.

[@whatdoyouwant4983]

Jesus you guys literally don't accept anything if it's not the greatest thing you've ever seen its absolute trash

[@stephanos6128]

i mean thats how you tend to get something better, by telling the company their products trash and we spend our money elsewhere also Super's kind of mid man even from a DB is Silly perspective

[@hamzatariq927]

Definitely agree, super lacked soul. I wanted to like it but i just can't with the horrible writing and wasted potential.

[@cameronpennington7993]

Definitely disagree with like 95% of what was said but still a well made video.

[@kaizerapa1814]

Makes me appreciate GT a lot more

[@impackmusiq5236]

Sometimes I wonder how akira toriyama sit down and watch his greatest creation being ruind by the writers who don't love the franchise super is making money but whats money if the fans hate the franchise that they use to love

[@koobertohumperdink8702]

Honestly Dragon Ball never felt like it had high stakes except for Future Trunks' timeline. They always had the dragon balls to bail them out.

[@arqueiroXD]

It didn't always had high stakes but it did become worst. For example...Cell destroying earth would basically f*ck the earth for at least when namek disocvered if they discovered(what was not the case in the trunks timeline) or when Majin Boo was destroying all the universe...like even if dragon balls,if he was not stopped...he would still destroy the universe. Dragon ball always did had lower stakes,but not in the level of non stakes that super has.[

[@DynastyZwarrior90]

King Piccolo, Saiyan and Namek arcs had high stakes as the Dragonballs were gone for a while.

[@matthew4780]

@@DynastyZwarrior90 Exactly, King Piccolo killed Shen Long and we had no idea Kami even existed or something could be done about it, there were the highest stakes in the series imo (that most people watched the arc after knowing what happened next it's a different story). In the Saiyan saga it was softer because we had hints Namek existed and had their Dragonballs, but they were just hints and space travel was a foreign concept to the protagonists at the time, so those deaths also felt much more serious than later anyway.

[@gigatron8547]

Honestly I feel super Saiyan god should of been the form that Goku and Vegeta had as the ssj for super, and the sayians of universe 7 could of had the blue hair form and later Goku get ultra instinct in tournament of power. And that would of been the next thing he is trying to unlock, and Vegeta can try get ultra ego cause honestly that form dope looking.

[@adriansandlin556]

Ironic, how Dragon Ball Z did away with power levels to show how meaningless and unreliable they were. Now in DBS, fights are won by who can scream louder or shoot a bigger blast.

[@Bobboerba]

Me watching as every namekian in the history of universe 7 but piccolo fuses into one and still get one schot

[@DarthKamui]

Super Dragon Ball Heroes just with double the episode time and slowed down pace. But I like its fun and cool moments. The overall product (not counting the movies) is a 5.5/10 for me. I think there were some good concepts like Super Saiyan Blue, but the execution was poor. A fun and casual continuation of the original manga.

[@SaiyanScholar]

I couldn't agree more. I initially loved Blue. Until Super Saiyan Blue it. 5.5 is about right as well.

[@TheLarryDungeon]

@@SaiyanScholar for me, my favorite character was goku black…then the end of the saga happened. My favorite forms were god and sign…then immediately get replaced. My favorite fight was gonna be Jiren…is what I would say if I actually liked him

[@M3rtyville]

funny enough, Heroes is much better than Super in terms of concepts and execution. Even the fights look more impressive. When we add the Heroes Manga into the equation, Super is getting stomped like a bug.

[@ultra2019]

You didn't really touch on how Goku has no character arc. He used to defeat bad guys, now he just wants to fight for fun, no matter how many millions die. The beginning of super was cool, but it fell apart so quick. I thought maybe Goku would become the villain and it would be something new, but no.

[@MrXCoolManX]

Super is a Parody. It's no coincidence that seemingly everything has been lifted from actual Parodies like Dragon Ball AF which Toyotaro only happened to write. Toyotaro which does most, if not all of Super writing and drawing; allegedly Toriyama writes outlines but the man is old and doesn't care anymore, the outlines might as well be "big bad strong, Goku gets stronger" and Toyotaro does the rest. Either that of Toriyama steals from Parodies himself. I liked parts of Super but waiting 6 months for something that wasn't a Z movie hurt. 26/131 episodes were movie retellings. Talk about a "slow start" eh GT fans? Why wouldn't Ginyu steal Gohan's body once he saw Super Saiyan? The Zamasu arc could have been resolved in two words: Time Rings. Remove the Time Rings and the events either wouldn't happen or at the very least time treachery has the hakai'd Black paradox not exist and makes immortal Zamasu not immortal since Black enlisted him and he never wanted to act on it. No Zeno stupidity, this was a battle they kept failing on repeat. Hell how the Gas arc kept all over the place felt like a parody ignoring established rules about UI seemed like a shitty fanfiction you'll find on forums. Hell the end was a toddler tier ending worse than Zamasu: The big bad is too tough to defeat so Freeza kills him! Super Hero only redeeming factor was the Piccolo love, and the Gammas were cool too. Hated how the Super Broly film ruined Broly and Bardock. Now that I completely shat over Super I'll stop. Didn't plan on it.

[@Flipitmixit]

Saiying we never got an iconic episode is just pure hate, the entire world blew up when goku turned UI for the first time

[@caryslan5890]

Yeah, I watched Super during it's first run and people were hyped when Vegito came back, when Goku blasted Kefla out of the ring, when Goku Black turned Rose, UI Goku as whole, people were hyped for numerous moments in Super. I don't get the hate people seem to suddenly have about Super. The Attitude Era is brought here as a comparison of modern WWE to that era, but like Super compared to DBZ there have been tons of iconic moments and matches that are just as good as anything from the attitude Era I don't get it, are these bitter DBZ super fans who want to act like Super never had any hype moments because it was not DBZ 2.0? Because outside of a few people, once we got to Future Trunks Saga, most people I saw online loved Super and it crashed Crunchyroll's servers as we got to the end of the ToP. Fans in some countries in South America watched the final fight between Goku and Jiren and we're cheering. The hype was there. Why this sudden rewrite that Super was a failed show that nobody cared about? Super is not perfect and I still prefer OG Dragon Ball and DBZ to it, but it's still a damn good show that I enjoy revisiting.

[@thewitness257]

Ngl I've started appreciating super a lot more after superhero dropped, people hated that movie but I absolutely adored it, it really resparked my passion for this franchise and when I watched it as a whole, I noticed that it suffered from the same problems as GT (sorry scholar) that being cool ideas, poor execution, I mean universal tournament? EVIL GOKU???, Cool as fuck bro, unfortunately GT is kinda the same although at least that wasn't as safe and happy as super

[@soul-etonomic551]

I agree with you while is was watching Super I always thought they are bringing out half of the potential that it could have had I hope once the new anime drops it will be a banger

[@M3rtyville]

Super has no good ideas. It has the flaws of all Dragon Ball series but non of its strength: - lack of good story, adventure and organic storytelling like DBZ - lack of useful characters like DBGT - lack of substance, overuse of fan service, repetitive fights and tension... like in Super Dragon Ball Heroes Not to mention, it has all the flaws from every fanfiction I have read. Freaking Dragon Ball Multiverse is better than Super and that is a repetitive Tournament comic that just won't end.

[@thewitness257]

@@M3rtyville you can't tell me a multiversal tournament, if done well, would be boring, but other than that you're right

[@M3rtyville]

@@thewitness257 after not even exploring a single of these universes, how are you even interested in a tournament full of nobodies? There is not a single justification why any of these characters are as strong as they are. That wasn't even a tournament. That was a battle royal and 1 fight. A tournament has peliminaries and several rounds. Even if we ignore these issues, how is a tournament at this point of the story going to be interesting?

[@thewitness257]

@@M3rtyville I said it's a cool concept, but poorly executed, I didn't actually enjoy watching

[@neogamest123logic2]

Don't forget Freezer is not a martial artist he doesn't know anything about martial arts training. He doesn't know how to sense ki. So how would he know he's strong enough? Also let's not forget DBS stills directly from fan fiction while be worse.

[@mithosirving]

Dragon Ball GT > Dragon Ball Super

[@officialshat2736]

L take

[@mithosirving]

@@officialshat2736 yeah you're right super is way better a regressed goku singleminded about fighting forgetting lessons about training the mind as well as the body, and vegeta regressed and obsessed with beating kakarot. gt is way worse goku turned into a kid but still mature enough to be sensitive to how chi chi feels about it, protective of his grandaughter pan but not overprotective. gt Vegeta chilled out and is now an earthling and not obsessed with surpassing Kakarot, and he suggests the fusion dance showing he would do that silly dance without hesitation to save the earth and the family he loves. and gt goku accending to heaven in broad daylight becoming the strongest goku able to ignore the laws of the otherworld by appearing to Piccolo in hell and it's not instant transmission, but yeah your right what an L take

[@Fireman24TO]

I don't know why I'm just seeing this now. Yes Super was a pure money pull. Nothing really mattered in the story.

[@supersaiyaneevee1573]

Man... if Master Roshi wouldve died in the tournament of power, that wouldve been such a good, emotional episode... but they couldnt do that right either lol. There were so many points in the series that they couldve really done something good with and they just totally dropped the ball.

[@sammydray5919]

Whis can bring people to life. There are literally no stakes. Seriously what was so emotional in the Roshi episode??? I keep seeing people praising it but it was completely hollow and meaningless

[@brandonking5111]

Beerus only really works as a villain. having this overpowered character that is friends with the main characters and can one shot all the main villains takes away any tension. Beerus should've met his match early into the series.

[@power279]

DBS IS FOR THE LGBT WOKE FANS

[@PhoenyxuzPrimax]

Watch Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, you'll get all package in one. Story? Check Character development? Check Emotional attachment? Check Unforgettable moment? Check Intense moments? Check Blood? Check! Like heck Jojo got a lot of bloodbath Fights that have actual strategy? Check No power creep? Check You got it all. I've watched DBS, and what a huge disappointment. But when i discovered Jojo's bizarre adventure, it was a life changing moment and goddamn its like i just watched a freaking movie!

[@Mahiii778]

Jojo is a anime when you can rewatch it nonstop too it's good

[@freezasama5802]

what's so ironic for me is I'm only halfway througn Scholar's video of dbs- The Soulless Disgrace now I have the next part to watch

[@gerz3rker]

As much as I want to defend Dragon ball super. This guy is 100% correct. I can’t defend how badly everything is written and how bad the animation is

[@Resjek]

Thank you for this video. Real fans know all the weaknesses and it's good for us to talk about this. We've been fans for nearly 25+ years haven't we all? I wonder if they respect the fans the ones that follow the journey. Why build characters up to break them down randomly without any reason

[@davidortiz3094]

Dragonball Super makes me sick. Power lvls made sense in Dragonball Z. No way in hell SS2 could fight SS3. And in super, anyone can fight SSB. It's ridiculous.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

DB Super wasn't made for the fans who stuck around DB when there was no content or it was little to nothing but was made to target the fans that know of DB and only watched a total of 10 popular episodes to hook them back into the franchise and now they are all suddenly hardcore fans and never left. Ask them how they felt about certain episodes or panels in the manga that were not the popular ones everyone talks about and they look at you like you are crazy or making up something that happened since it wasn't it the 10 popular episodes they remember or heard about as a kid after the fact. New returning DB fans I swear!!!....😩😮‍💨 I will respect you all anyway even with your limited knowledge of DB just don't act like you have been down with DB the entire time and we are golden it's ok to admit you just saw and heard about the popular stuff and love it like you saw and read everything. DBZ Abridged doesn't count it's funny af but doesn't count.

[@robbiemedica2652]

On the contrary, to me the people that seem to have the biggest problem with Super are those who only watched the English dub of Dbz, never watched or read og Dragon Ball. They tend to hate the lighter more comedic tone of Super.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

@@robbiemedica2652 I did get a gag manga vibe from Super when I saw some episodes of it. That was a good thing I liked about Super at some points. I've watched OG Dragonball 3 or 4 times I almost love it more than Z it has a special place in my heart to me even though Z is where I first started as a kid. I love how it feels grounded in some form of realism even though it's fantasy at the end of the day. Dragonball always had me thinking is that even possible knowing full well it's not but letting my imagination run wild with possibilities.

[@robbiemedica2652]

@@Unpopular_Duality. Fair, do you actively dislike Super though, or just don't like it as much as the others? Most of Super I'm not the hugest fan of, but I absolutely love the Tournament of Power (anime version) and it's one of my favourite arcs in all of DB.

[@Unpopular_Duality.]

@@robbiemedica2652 To answer the first part yes and no. The titles of videos and articles get me going and I think of my own experiences watching the anime and reply accordingly. I like throwing playful jabs at the new fans though too if I can. I felt like the goku black arc and the top carried on a little bit to long for me and the endings in both were a little lack luster and predictable. As a whole overall Super is ok I did enjoy it even though there were parts of it I didn't like. I despised the episode where they played on the yamcha being weak and showing him dead like he was in the saiyan arc. I also didn't like how a god of destruction never did his job destroying anything. I loved the universe 6 tournament arc I wished they could have done something more with monaka instead of just using him as bait for goku to keep him from thinking he's the strongest.

[@kermitthefrog9719]

Dragon ball z with the Bruce falconer score was peak dragon ball

[@numberfive6730]

Words can’t express how much I appreciate the terry silver reference

[@piccolo9365]

I think it’s telling that I’ve never once gone back and revisited any Super arc since the first time I’ve watched it.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

7:50 I think that actually works. "Ultimate" Gohan is the result of _two_ hidden potential unlocks, first by Guru as a kid and then as a teen by the Elder Kai. So... he should _always_ be at the equivalent of his own God form. That makes it make the most sense. Elder Kai's potential unlock doesn't make a lot of sense unless he let Gohan tap into a new power. His limits were already removed a decade prior on Namek. What else could explain the odd Ultimate form other than it being God Form but without needing to activate God Form? It fits the source, the explanation, the weird effects like "no need for Super Saiyan" which is akin to God reverting their physical form to their base but red, and of course it places the Ultimate Form into a logical progressions of forms. Ultimate is just unlocking your God Form power without going into god form. Getting back to his old power level and then exceptionally beyond should be extremely simple for him, because he's not using traditional forms anymore.

[@sugondeez1708]

I agree bro, but I would've made it at least a week of training honestly

[@andrewmah2962]

The original fans of Dragon Ball / Dragon Ball Z /Dragon Ball GT are reaching 40 now. I think they forgot that.

[@caryslan5890]

As someone who got into Dragon Ball during it's first big period in the early 2000s, I don't honestly get the hatred against Super. Is it a perfect show? No, and it's nowhere near the level of OG Dragon Ball and DBZ. But I enjoyed Dragon Ball Super. I looked forward to each new episode and some of my favorite moments in the franchise are from Super. I dunno, I look at modern Dragon Ball the same way I look at modern Star Trek. The older shows will still be my favorites, but I enjoy getting new content like Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds. It's fun to have Star Trek back. That's how I feel about Super, it may not be a perfect show and it's easy to sit around nitpicking at it's faults. But I personally enjoyed it and had fun watching it. Honestly, many of the issues people have with Super were also in DBZ as well. Besides, if you truly want to see a soulless cash grab to keep an anime franchise going, go look at something like Boruto.

[@torankusu3445]

yeah fr

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

Modern Trek is terrible tho. Completely destroyed. Just like SW.

[@uasyagrutch7406]

15:00 The actual truth is that those concepts are horrible and executed exactly like they are meant to. Like all the concepts in DBS. DBS is meant that way. DBS is modern Disney sequels.

[@Shadski2]

This is getting outlandish You have made so many videos on u clowning on super I thought the last 2 arcs on super were probably one of the best dragon all arc ever (in my opinion so cry about) except for the end for the black arc And about the toys thing, bro DO U NOT THINK A SHOW THAT IS ABOUT MAKING MONEY IS TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. you could say that FOR ALMOST ANYTHING DRAGONBALL, ssj1 shiny hair, ssj2 basically the same but spiked, ssj3 and ssj4 I don’t even have to explain, I will bring up GT because he did. The humans literally did nothing at ALL in gt and also the namekians. I am convinced that GT stands for Goku time. I just wanted to do this because idk I have nothing else to say lol and sorry not sorry for the spelling mistakes.

[@I9ndigo]

Toriyama needs to stop giving bullet points to the manga artist and anime writers and just straight up write the whole thing. Put him and his editors that helped him when he was actually making manga back into the fray. The games don't even respect the plot 100% and change things to make more sense. The manga ALSO teases hype things just to not go all the way with them and over complicates things so I'm not sure why you would like it over the anime. They're both not great.

[@dankgamer7192]

I'm gonna be the one to say it. I appreciate Dragonball GT right now.

[@ryszakowy]

look guys this power shatters multiverse >someone get's punched >nothing happens >no reaction >surprise no universe was shattered

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

Me reading the title: "How dare you say something entirely true >:^(."

[@Alzrozax]

The thing I hate above else about super is the fact that goku still acts like a child, he’s a grandfather now and the fact that in z when he awoke from recovering from the heart disease he kisses chi chi but in super he doesn’t even kno wtf that is💀 idk if they wanted goku to be more childlike so he can relate to the younger audiences but it just doesn’t work considering goku’s age

[@GeteMachine]

They literally have Goten, who looks like Goku...and Gotenks is that overpowered comedic, kid character... why did they need Goku to be a manchild and then turn him into a kid again, again? I never got this... Why can they just use Goten and Trunks?

[@aharonbaalshem]

I think they're running on the success of the Team 4 star parody

[@Tdwl713]

Saiyan Scholar is the biggest hater in Anime content creator history 💀💀💀💀 Jk man I love your videos 😂😂

[@CBHL457]

He's not wrong, even if the Dragon Ball franchise doesn't have the best plots, the writing and potential they wasted is astounding. The power system, martial techniques, and abilities, along with the character background and in-depth they used to focus on back in the original Dragon Ball has disappeared. Wonder if the writers really intended for super to turn out like this....

[@GeteMachine]

Super also just has really bad pacing. It spends no time on building up the threat of character unlike how Z did for Cell and Buu. We never actually see Zamasu act out his grand plan, we just start at what seemed like the end of the arc. Trying to stop the Zero mortals plan, should have been the arc. And of course it was obvious they had the Hope sword attack planned, but they never gave it build up. It just happened. Same with Super Saiyan "Ikari" (sounds like a fan-fiction name), that he just has. And the arc they dragged the hell out of was the TOP, that was so ungodly boring when we knew that the only characters that mattered were U6 and Jiren. In Z, we would have seen the actual process of how he got there through the events of the arc. In Z, nope. He just has it. Same with Kale and Caulifla, we never got to see them actually develop into Super Saiyans, they just do it. By magic Caulifla has SSJ2. Super just rushes everything because they want to race the plot just to get to the new forms they throw out. There is also no actual story or character arcs, or development in Super. Nothing really new. No new motivations or character choices. All Super cares about is just busted power-ups and God Ki sucks. It broke the scaling and is just too inconsistent and useless. I don't like it.

[@littenfire3563]

9:25 them toning down the violence makes the stakes feel a lot smaller too. The characters bleeding made their wounds feel more real

[@filicha]

the fact that dragon ball Af feels more interesting than super makes go 💀

[@gersonbn8415]

Is what I'm saying

[@cheeseburgerfreddy6350]

I agree the DBS anime is horrible compared to the manga, Even the manga has a lot of bad writing. The DBS anime reminds me of GT both being bad but for two different reasons, Super anime had a few cool moments but overall the writing was lazy like the random power ups and everyone capable of beating SSJB and Goku and Vegeta spamming SSJB on everyone.

[@troystrain2436]

I enjoyed Dragon Ball Super, but I do wish they would've made it more consistent to the end of Z. Perhaps that's because I also love GT, and feel that Super shouldn't have tried to erase that. The only way for it all to make sense at this point is if they somehow shoehorn a Majin Buu arc in there at the end.

[@Un1eashed127]

I respect your points about dbs being disappointing when compared to dbz but I can’t help but think your still holding on to the past as if it was the greatest thing of all time ( in this case dbz ) and that in turn raises your expectations and disappointment with dbs. Although I agree with most of your points I think they are over exaggerated, let’s not forget that dbz is not perfect .

[@christopher8295]

Dbs was a mistake..... Don't even like gt at all and yet when i watch random gt episode out of nowhere i feel like i'm watching dragon ball at the very least, it's not much but enough to make me interested/into it. When i try to rewatch anything related to super today, ain't gonna lie, it both piss me off and bore me, dunno the show seems so lifeless 😅

[@THE1BLACKHEART]

Always great content thanks keep it up

[@TheSuperGoober]

In Anime history? Nah. Sure it has problems but this claim means it's worse than Boruto and Sword Art Online, which is....no

[@caryslan5890]

Super has issues, but I personally enjoyed it and it added a good amount of stuff to the Dragon Ball mythos. Honestly, most of the stuff in this video sounds like nitpicking. Boruto is a true example of a soulless cash grab with a story that feels utterly pointless with no direction and this is coming from someone who enjoyed Naruto.

[@Tsuki_No_Orochi]

I'm a "new gen fan" i was born before the battle of gods movie came out and i start watching dragon ball a year or so before the super anime released, i watched the classic, z and gt, and i was pissed when i saw the new dragon ball super anime, my favorite back then was Z but now it's gt because it's the most nostalgic to me and i feel like it ended the series perfectly

[@DarkAkuma]

The simplest way I can put it is... I would rather have a bad Dragon Ball Super than NO Dragon Ball Super. It had... a TON of flaws... but I enjoyed it. Would I rather have had Toriyama actually give a crap about writing a better, respectful story? Yes. But simply ending it like it was, was a bigger slap in the face to fans. There were stand out moments. Most... happened to stand out because of something bad. Like the Goku vs. Frieza fight with great art to make up for the one with bad art. Pretty much... everything in the Goku Black arc... The excessive retconing and power scale rebalancing. But for positive moments... Goku going Ultra Instinct was pretty nice. Bring back Kaioken was pretty cool. Ummm... thats all I can think of. There was a lot of wierd, unfullfilled crap too. Like the Goten/Trunks adventure on the island. Gohan's story in the ToP (Being "leader", or the drama of stuff like the photo and the other Universes getting eliminated). Vegeta visiting U6 Planet Salad. U6 Earth being restored from a wish. The sidelining Buu twice thing (at least he kind of got something in the manga Moro arc). If I have to be honest, there are other odd things too. For example. Remember how Videl was in the Buu saga? Very scrappy tom boy? Then... in super how there is no hint of that at all? Honestly... Uub is terrible, and I'm annoyed they didn't retcon him away along with the terrible original ending. But ill stop now...

[@hiphopstrongman]

I'd rather have no Super than a bad Super. Instead of milking a dead series dry, you are better off letting the series rest with its established continuity and legacy still intact. If nothing else came after DBZ everything would have been completely fine.

[@sambeezy007]

I'd rather no super than bad super. If super didn't exist Dragon Ball as a franchise would be ranked higher as one of the best entertaining anime ever.

[@sammydray5919]

The only reason why wouldn't want to erase Super from existence is because it brought us DBFZ lol...... And thats about it 💀

[@Npotter14]

Sometimes u just have to let things go. Same thing with what happened to Star Wars..

[@dominiquerobinson8888]

I'd have to disagree with that one. Just like with movies like Coming to America, Star Wars, Fast and Furious, its best to leave things be. And honestly, fans have made far better continuations after the series has ended and have even told better stories post Super.