Sally Weintrobe | Climate Breakdown Shakedown - Climate Grief | Extinction Rebellion UK

Sally Weintrobe speaks to XR Greenwich on the topic of Climate Grief.
“Most of us have been living in a bubble of disavowal about global heating”, Sally Weintrobe writes. “We were aware it was happening, but we minimized its impacts. What might people be feeling as they emerge from the climate bubble?”
No-one is better qualified to discuss these questions than Sally, a founder member of the Climate Psychology Alliance and chair of the International Psychoanalytic Association's Climate Committee, whose new book, Psychological Roots of the Climate Crisis: Neoliberal Exceptionalism and the Culture of Uncare, has just been published.
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[@em945]

I think this Lady looks and sounds so sweet, but is brutal with her honesty and truth. Thank you for the presentation.

[@terencefield3204]

THat's yer English middle classes for yer!

[@a.randomjack6661]

Every time we were told to "vote for the economy", the richest got a hell of a lot richer at the detriment of societies.

[@terencefield3204]

I know; I LOVE IT!!!!!

[@a.randomjack6661]

@@terencefield3204 If you love it, share it :)

[@terencefield3204]

@@a.randomjack6661 NO! You can 't have ANY of it!!!!

[@susllim]

The standard election campaign mantra; " Jobs and Growth!" " JOBS AND Growth!" "JOBS AND Growth"!! "JOBS AND growth!" over and over, instilling fear and belief in the populace that without GDP GROWTH we will have no jobs .

[@ChooseCompassion]

She is spot on. 👊🏼

[@MsKariSmith]

Thank you for speaking frankly about what we all need to understand.

[@terencefield3204]

That is OK; it is my pleasure.

[@roxydina7615]

What a brilliant lady! In awe of her synthesis of everything.

[@robtall5537]

she is brilliant. I'm thinking maybe we should start a church? she can be the priest and we can worship Greta Thunberg.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

@@robtall5537 (Rob Small) brilliant.

[@brianwheeldon4643]

Thank you Sally Weintrobe for this valuable talk. Haere pai

[@jonathanedwardgibson]

Yes, we are beyond hope. Courage is the measure going forward.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

I absolutely concur.

[@ChooseCompassion]

XR are the BEST ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@em945]

"...all bubbles burst, because in the end, reality always wins"

[@enerjohnsavior3227]

"Reality has a strange way of asserting itself." -Barack Obama to Donald J. Trump

[@terencefield3204]

I am an eternal unburst bubble. I am the bubble called napoleon Bubble.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Nature Rules. Nature will take charge...wait and experience. There is no plan for life of any Species. Nature has the Power to Rule. No one else does, world wide.

[@em945]

@Jorn Paul Winkler its terribly painful to contemplate.

[@em945]

@Jorn Paul Winkler sadly Jorn, I think even this information you have written is only just the tip of the iceburg in the further mostly unwitting destruction of the planet. But I would question reducing the anger to groups like Greenpeace or Biden. They are just at the top of the heap of a big pile of delusion and collusion. I think the only possible option is to find out what we can do ourselves, which may include all sorts of levels, depending on each persons capacities. And relisten to this Lady. She is offering ideas.

[@jasonfirewalker3595]

Figured I'd find my tribe eventually. Hello fam.

[@claudiaperea]

👋

[@christinel6616]

👍

[@terencefield3204]

@@claudiaperea Aaaah you are skulking down here now Perea old girl!!!

[@PetaloudesTouYialou]

💚🌳

[@achenarmyst2156]

„Neoliberalism systematically destroys attachments and trust to increase efficiency“ Byung Chul Han.

[@jeanbartrum2773]

At last the real truth of where we are and how it became .I completely concur

[@rapauli]

I return to hear this wise woman. Thank you. It took years to begin to understand the enormity of our predicament. Sally's ring of truth is more importnat now. I shall return to this page. Looking for her book Thank you.

[@susllim]

I love it! Really addresses the trickle down culture , and value system created by our democracies' adoption of neoliberal economics in the 80s. Destroyed a planet in 40 years!

[@terencefield3204]

Utter nonsense.

[@claudiaperea]

@@terencefield3204 tell me you know nothing about the anthropocene without *telling* me you know nothing about the anthropocene.

[@terencefield3204]

@@claudiaperea OH dear, sneering -on-sea. Well C minus. Childish nonsense. Try a Lot harder. This is a serious matter; why are you here? Your page is interesting. VERY American enthusiastic. Sweet.

[@a.randomjack6661]

#Reaganomics

[@terencefield3204]

@@a.randomjack6661 Are you trickling down? DO you need to have your prostate checked?

[@dalemcd1408]

Excellent !

[@davidrowewtl6811]

I clearly suffering from PTSD and moral assault. That this is a normal, even rational response is reassuring and will help my psychological journey, I hope. Love&Rage

[@voteutah]

One year behind here, but A++ to Sally.

[@abouvier3457]

Speeches are boring on KZbin. I live in Canada and, like others internationally, I find the videos of your activism show bravery and conviction.

[@terencefield3204]

We all do. Even when we disagree.

[@achenarmyst2156]

It‘s sad that increasing numbers of people find it difficult to follow a speech for more than a few minutes. Our ADHD traits more and more take over.

[@extinctionrebelliongreenwi2328]

Our talks our given live and viewers are invited to ask questions and interact in the second half, feel free to join us for the next if that would be more interesting to you: xrgreenwich.com/climate-breakdown-shakedown/

[@markbattersby7253]

Very GOOD

[@jahmah519]

I feel we will prevail, lovers who really care, planet Earth needs you, quite like that 2nd world war slogan or poster.

[@terencefield3204]

Oh dear.

[@jahmah519]

@@terencefield3204 Oh dear what?

[@terencefield3204]

@@jahmah519 Oh dear me.

[@AndreasDelleske]

We can't know yet. Not everyone will prevail, that, sadly, is for sure.

[@terencefield3204]

@@AndreasDelleske And how! Most are toast.

[@rdg8390]

A classy video - a must watch for all political ideologists, across the globe

[@sgturner59]

Thanks for this.

[@singingway]

I saw the entitlement she is talking about when I engaged in my climate listening project. Many people echoed the sentiment that "I should be able to do whatever I can afford to do. No government should be able to limit what kind of car I drive, or how much fossil fuels I choose to use. If I'm able to earn the money I should be able to spend it how I choose." They considered that a right. They admired wealthy people, and felt they were superior because they were lucky enough to be born rich, smart enough to become rich, or clever enough to game the system to get rich.

[@gordonaliasme1104]

Being rich does not mean that you are smart

[@a.randomjack6661]

After post and pre traumatic stress disorder, I see a 3rd "p", permanent stress disorder. Resilience will gain lots of value, maybe we should put that too in the stock market?

[@kirstinstrand6292]

The Stock Markets, alone, have Resilience!

[@charliebrandt2263]

Well thought out analysis of our real fragility and the culpability of those that hold the reigns...

[@qbas81]

“Staying silent about climate crisis is a crime”

[@davidmchugh-hypnotherapist7213]

Thank you Sally for sharing your thoughts on a difficult subject. You address many issues which i and many others are struggling with. Question, you did not mention Marx’s concept of alienation is an outcome of capitalism. Was this by design or avoidance? I particularly liked the ‘bubble’ metaphor with its link to the Neoliberal boom/bust economics. Well done. Will check out Psychologist against Climate Change too.

[@terencefield3204]

Why do you think this naive leftie Marxist bull has anything at all to do with the physics of climate change? Are you soft in the head? Neo what? Neocods2wallop more like Grow up sonny; you have a beard- behave like you earned it with the years!!! I assume you are 'under' when you write that.

[@davidmchugh-hypnotherapist7213]

@@terencefield3204 are you critical of Sally’s insight or my comments. We know the economics of infinite grow is not sustainable and along with population growth/higher standards of living is driving the environmental crisis. Not sure what your problem with Socialism is or how it relates to my comments or Sally’s insights. I am mature enough to ignore emotional outbursts.

[@terencefield3204]

@@davidmchugh-hypnotherapist7213 There is no such thing as the economics of infinite growth. There is an intractable physical reality of an ever increasing now global-scale industrial, distribution, resource consumption and demand-creating super machine of a scale and complexity that is both uncontrollable by discrete decision making, and is certainly vastly too complex for humans beings to understand and become masters of. The old silly Marxist neo-this and neo-that childishness are both untrue as descriptives, ( the scrofulous old fool was profoundly wrong to begin with) and suggest nice, neat, simple ideas like 'equality', social redistribution', expropriating from the 'rich' to 'solve' the issue of climate change. Half a century ago or more, if there had been a rational approach to the stewardship of he world, rather than letting the systems rip, there could have been an inclusion of 'fairness', 'social responsibility ' and all that good stuff, but not now. It would be counter productive, and would now add to the rate of heat acceleration. Happy to tell you why if you care to know. but it would outrage the preconceptions of any left thinking people. Like you perhaps, Wrong wrong and wrong again. SO profoundly irrelevant in false analysis and thus irrelevant in consequent approaching suggestions to TRY to slow the acceleration towards mass death. You, and it seems she are also captives of modern and in my view plain juvenile and simple ideas with roots in the mis-analysis of events that took place two centuries or more ago. I really do not think you left-liberal types even begin to understand the physical reality of rapidly accelerating global warming and the changes resulting from it. It always seems the left 'sees' this reality they misunderstand in order to 'bolt on' odd soci - political 'solutions' that half an hour's analytical review dismisses as irrelevant at best. You may accept there is a problem, unlike some - far from all - on the right but you have no analysis that makes any sort of sense. IMO. If you do not grow up and deal with your emotions when confronted with stupidity in the face of probable mass death, I can only assume you are either deeply deranged, or on psychotropic drugs. A bit of hypnotherapy, feel-good socialism, making the deranged amoral super-consuming rich give up their habits and increasing the living standards of the vast growing hordes of the destructive poor ( and do NOT tell me that they are not) will not get you out of this! It will simply make the disaster happen even earlier!!! I am emotional. So should you be, but then you may be just another english middle class AR. Most of them seem psychologically dead to the rest of us.

[@a.randomjack6661]

@@terencefield3204 Look up Capitalism. It is in it's principles.

[@robtall5537]

alienation is a symptom of moral conflict which is neccesary to assist the demise of the captalist ideas. Marx's contemporary ideas form the metaphor for our learned knowledge of classical tradition. Indeed the idea that social and political theory can be underscored by neoliberal principles is within the globalist sense anathema to the paradoxical view we rely on the welfare state and the middle classes to exploit migrant labour to achieve our dream of socialist hegemony. Globalism is the driver to achieving a socialist state so we should rejoin the EU.

[@donutemptycircle8717]

We need to be careful that our climate grief is nothing but an expression of idiotic entitlement. Down all the days there was grief aplenty but those of us in clover, in wine and roses, were satisfied. Suddenly we are impacted directly and out come the serious faces. A profound nihilism is the only moral avenue open to those with honesty and integrity at their core. Park your entitlement and walk into this dying world with your head high and your eyes wide open.

[@alexspringett]

Interesting - I think you are right. It’s clear where we are at and what’s coming, I guess we have to move into these times and let it all go. It is what it is, we are who we are, we’ve done what we’ve done and we certainly aren’t entitled to much

[@RogerJCVA]

@@alexspringett I agree, but as Sally said 'we haven't done what we've done'. We've let the exceptions to the caring majority rule us. And this is the result.

[@climateteacherjohnj7763]

I wanted to share this because you all are family. Our documentary, "Race to Save the World" is finally out! Based mostly in the U.S., it features the Pipeline Turners, the Kayaktivists of the Northwest, the Train Blockaders, the Children's Trust plaintiffs, and the climate marchers from the cross country, Great March for Climate Action (my own personal favorite, ahem, since I was on it). The film is good at exploring and expressing the grief and the hilarity of our predicament. It's personal too. We all have family that doesn't quite get what we're on about. The film gets into that. I'm sure you can relate... and thank you.

[@Magik1369]

One is far better off to face squarely into their anguish and grief over the climate catastrophe and rapidly approaching extinction. To a "normal" person that awakens to the horror we are now in, it causes immense grief, sadness, guilt, anger, and fear to arise. One should allow one's self to sink fully into these emotions. Allow the emotions to overcome you and simply feel them. This process will take months. You will then start purging these emotions through our natural built in grief process (see Kubler-Ross). By doing so, one will not only feel better but more empowered to cope. At this time, people should accept the inevitability of our death and our mortal nature as humans, even as we fight for life and for climate justice. By working through our emotions and grief we will also rediscover our eternal spiritual nature, where is the place that true Hope arises. Earth will survive and she will replenish herself with new life and new species. She is a living Being...our Mother. She has overseen the extinction and regeneration of life 5 times in her history. We will survive also and will live to see another day and a brand new Earth and life. Homo Colossus is going extinct...it must. This type of human is an imposter and must die along with their false religion of neoliberalism, so that homo sapiens can survive and thrive once again. Peace and love.

[@earlgibbs7083]

Religion, spirituality, and psychotherapy all make the illusory sense of the separate self feel better, but only for a little while. Homosapiens were hunter-gatherers for some 800,000 years living in relative harmony with the ecosystem. These tribes lived communally where any sense of a separate individual became a potential threat to the entire group, for the needs of the collective could be compromised. Therefore, even in those few remaining hunter-gatherers groups today, any sense of psychopathic/narcissistic behavior could get one disappeared on a hunting trip. Once sedentary societies emerged some 10,000 years ago along with plant and animal agriculture, the belief in a separate self, I, or individual me was allowed to emerge and flourish. As a result, not only did the accumulation of material wealth begin but so did hierarchies and inequality that stratified the social structure creating a false sense of individual specialness or exceptionalism. Therefore, it was apparently the advent of civilization itself that seemingly created the social structure separating individuals psychologically. If there wasn't the belief in this illusory self-energy, life would not be taken personally and self-imposed suffering would not even exist. Feelings, emotions, pain, and suffering, etc. would still happen though, except it would be for no one. The recent book Civilized to Death by anthropologist Dr. Christopher Ryan is a good read, plus books by Jared Diamond and Paul R. Ehrlich are also recommended in understanding the human condition.

[@AndreasDelleske]

If we are silent, we can see that feelings and thoughts are not what we are and the separation dwindles. Upanishads know this but there were very few who dropped into it consciously. We can "only hope" for this happening more. Be quiet, no effort. What you perceive is not you, but then: Who are you? There will be an answer but it can not be described. There is no one here anymore and it is quite a relief. However, with empathy comes grief. As anything else, it is not permanent. Verifiable facts are still verifiable facts, there is nothing supernatural. All is ever open. Be the witness, things get cared for. The will be action but there is less and less of an actor. Ego is not a problem because ego itself is an illusion.

[@oliviachipperfield6029]

I sometimes wonder if the agricultural revolution was the beginning of our downfall.

[@earlgibbs7083]

@@oliviachipperfield6029 That plus animal husbandry are apparently the culprits, according to some academics and scientists involved in the study of the humanities.

[@donutemptycircle8717]

@@oliviachipperfield6029 Our ability to lock away the grains was our downfall. The growing, storage and distribution of the three starchy grains could have been managed better!

[@robtall5537]

we must shut down society so we can return to hunter gatherer times as soon as possible so we can live with nature again.

[@markwilliams3174]

We need to embrace USA philosopher Carol Gilligan's (1982) "Ethics of Care" : "An ethics of care directs our attention to the need for responsiveness in relationships (paying attention, listening, responding) and to the costs of losing connection with oneself or with others. Its logic is inductive, contextual, psychological, rather than deductive or mathematical.” Forget Aristotle, Confucius, Kant and Stuart-Mill.

[@freerangeboogie7293]

A bit Disappointed that they cut off the discussion part at the end.

[@extinctionrebelliongreenwi2328]

Hi June Bug. We're sorry, we have to do that as we can't seek permission from all involved for broadcast and it stops some people from speaking up. The sessions are open to all and free to attend though! You can always come along!

[@durbanman647]

In Aus and NZ the biggest transfer of intergenerational wealth is occuring due to the housing market being in a bubble. The rich and privileged get wealthier and the poor are more exploited. This seems all so pointless against the backdrop of a dying habitat for life on earth.

[@InfiniteEchos]

What happens differently when ppl not only accept their fate - as indeed at some point we all must do - but accept in the context that it's humanities fate. How will ones' altruism/selflessness, or heedless/selfishness change? When hope is gone - and this is finally universally accepted - what on earth is gonna happen? (Imho) it's gonna be brutal beyond belief, as there's no point in hoping for better ..as hope is gone. All previous advanced civilizations have collapsed as is self-evident; therefore it follows, all advanced civilizations would have encountered exactly the same feelings. Was it good while it lasted? Yes and no. We eradicate pests; as does mother nature; in this instance with a health helping hand from the pests themselves

[@kirstinstrand6292]

All valid concerns. Brutal, yes. It's truly difficult to wrap my head around. And, like you, I'm not hiding from reality. Insects in west WASHINGTON State have been gone since 2018 or so. Bees, surrounded by BlackBerry bushes must be fed sugar water in order to get "honey". For me, downsizing possessions and clothes symbolizes the end of my life. I find myself resisting, regardless of the Truth I KNOW. Denial would be much easier, yet I will no longer lie to myself.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

Her book sounds Important!

[@impurfekt]

Brilliant speech. After the month-and-a-half heatwave we've been having I weigh the real world impact of every action. It's exhausting.

[@peterjol]

We would stand a very good chance of survival IF it was simply made financially worthwhile for people to start SHARING the jobs we can agree we NEED people to do and working much LESS...no more working and doing anything FOR money but sharing the work we NEED. No more a world filled with factories and people working hard all day destroying the planet creating shit we don't need. No more of this being a world where people will (just for example) kill the elephants or chop down the rain-forest because they need a way to earn MONEY. Instead we share the work/jobs we need...we don't work FOR money. You may have to sit down and really 'think' about what I am saying to understand why it would make such a big difference.

[@KateFrancis-eo2rp]

I like her attack on the 'wellness' industry.

[@edwardmacrae1329]

good

[@cruiserland3309]

Very elegantly put. But if you want to know what is happening is that the earth is purifying itself. Yes....we are reaping what we have sown. OK?

[@robtall5537]

We must rejoin the EU. That must be our priority. People are feeling unwelcome in the UK. This is the most important issue we have to face.

[@darrellhayward6673]

🌱🌳❤3

[@aaronscarlett4252]

Blackpool protest please organise one in Blackpool

[@terencefield3204]

That would be the Society of Bed Sit EcoWarriors who Eat BAcon and Eggs? Then nothing til next breakfast time? Save for the cider??

[@roxydina7615]

Join , donate Citizen Climate Lobby ..do all you can, it’s a chance we have. NOW , of course,

[@peterhopkins7505]

I invented fuel free energy generation 5 years ago. No fuel and plenty of mains values AC/DC power. Try as I might all I have achieved us death threats, probably from people invested in carbon energy. I am not giving this away yet, I have bills to pay too. I have invented other things that will eclipse fuel free energy and will launch them first. I know of 8 sources of clean fuel free energy and still none of these sources are public knowledge. People make interested noises but do nothing. None stand up to make the difference. having worked with Thatcher and Regan, your comments are wrong about them.

[@terencefield3204]

I also found this. I did so immediately after I realised I am the full reincarnation of Napoleon, and have magic powers in one of my fingers.

[@fergusryan1486]

🕯Free energy is coming one way or another. Keep at it! 💚

[@fergusryan1486]

Free energy is coming one way or another. Keep at it 💚

[@fergusryan1486]

Free energy is coming one way or another. Keep at it 💚

[@fergusryan1486]

Free energy is coming one way or another. Keep at it 💚

[@zeroxox777]

Don't we see that books like the one she wrote are part of the problem? All these writers and so called experts pass off their own peculiar way of thinking as truth, and millions of such books are written every year, all in contradiction with each other, causing this great epistomological confusion, leading us to the present state of most human beings - with a head full of opinions but no real certainty that there is truth, let alone what that truth might be. Many cease to believe in truth, thinking there are instead just contradictory opinions - while argument is not a means of reaching truth but a process of asserting one opinion against another. What is truth, actually? Truth is what is. Why have an opinion about what is? You either see what is or you don't. Why do we need opinions at all? To know when you don't know is far closer to truth then to think you know because you've got an opinion. If we didn't have so many books and writers and 'experts' and political ideologies we would be left with what is, and seeing what is clearly, we would be closer to the truth - so long as we didn't form opinions about what is. Opinions distort perception, and the opinions of another, passed off as somehow authoritative, are the most distorting factors in modern civilization which infantilises us by suggesting that there are experts on everything and we ought to consult them on everything from our own moods and psychological disorders to the solution to climate change. Everyone has an opinion about what to do with regards climate change, unfortunately, and arguing about it prevents us getting together and creating solutions (as does XR, which clings to one violent method which depends influencing a government machine that consistently proves itself ineffective, presupposing the efficacy of this method despite evidence to the contrary but that's another matter.) You should get together and discuss, create novel solutions to the problem of climate change rather than cling to one method that alienates the public and construes those that care about climate change as extremists.

[@SealionDefenseBrigade]

I am not I phone...

[@climatecraze]

Here's the first extinction ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6TIgYOQjJmqq7s

[@stevesanders3992]

How do we take wealth from the rich?

[@terencefield3204]

NO! Keep your grubby prole hands off my money yer commie!!!

[@Whydoibother943]

And do what with it!

[@terencefield3204]

@@Whydoibother943 LIve LARGE!!!!!!! In the COUNTRY I now OWN!!!!

[@Whydoibother943]

@@terencefield3204 😂

[@donutemptycircle8717]

Traditionally we left them their money and took their heads.

[@aaronscarlett4252]

Biohax International microchiping company in sweeden we want to know what's in those RFID Microchips

[@AndreasDelleske]

Dont waste your time with this please. You overestimate electronics. RFID is very simple. If you really want to know more what's happening, read Snowden. It's under our eyes in the open.

[@ashdraked]

Im a very devout environmentalist and the best thing you can do for the environment is buy bitcoin

[@terencefield3204]

Global warming is in no way 'neo liberalism's legacy. There is a serious failure of simple understanding here. I cannot remain in this ghetto of neo-codswallopian exceptionalism and warming without light. Yakky Da.

[@aaronscarlett4252]

The lizard men have got to be in Blackpool and all over country

[@terencefield3204]

NO! YOU DUNMMY!!! The CANE TOADS got there FERST!!!!!!!

[@Jezmac1969]

The psychology of climate 🤣🤣🤣 I heard it all now I might begin to listen if this were about environmental issues