SaltEMike Reacts to Only $8M For Oct? Look At New Ships |

[@defiante1]

What's the point of the ships when there is nothing to do with them. They can talk all they want about what we might be able to do with them, but currently its still one system and mostly empty.

[@zahvy]

The fund the game. Outside of that, some people just want new toys to play with. Ever further still, If they didn't put out things for people to buy then lots of people complain they aren't *doing* anything. They put themselves in this position but us citizens are just as much to blame lol.

[@VonJay]

.23 is the most I played since my first pledge two years ago in that I played for a good two weeks consistently. I remember grinding with the vulture to get four or five ships on my wishlist all with different functionality or “gameloops” until I found there was absolutely nothing to do with them or the loops that did exist were not interesting or complete. I think the thing that I liked most was calling for my ship, watching the hanger doors open to the stars and it being a flight simulator for space but then the novelty of that ran out as most of the locations have mixed performance and graphics and most of all I wish they took a more realistic approach with their ship design and not such cartoony ones.

[@coldshock5181]

​​@@Stellar-NucleosynthesisIt's about time we stop thinking 10 years ahead and make them deliver much sooner

[@coldshock5181]

​@@zahvyWe are not as much to blame lol, infact the only blame we have is allowing them to keep doing this stuff. 1.0 needs to be released sooner or later, and then they can downsize and stop selling ships ect. Being in Alpha makes them the most money, so they will keep it up till the money starts disappearing

[@Rated_xv]

Yup, couldn't of said it better. Pyro will be fun for a week exploring new locations and doing the new missions. Then you will realize its just red Stanton and no reason to do anything. I'm just glad this years Citcon showed what SC looks like when it finally becomes a game. I will continue to wait and watch from afar just like I have been doing the past 8 years..

[@Dracounguis]

Making 3 million a week is nice as long as you're not spending 10 million a week! 😉

[@Casey093]

The need ~2M a week to keep the lights on, and 8M a month is what they NEED to bring in, continuously. After their big yearly hype show, and sale of the starlancer, that is a bit disappointing.

[@Fragnatix]

@@Casey093 Thats only for development. Infrastructure will keep growing with server meshing and servers are super expansive for these type of games. Unless they self-host eventually, but they use AWS lol

[@damaddmann]

This person gets it

[@Dracounguis]

The Terrapin makes a hell of a lot more sense as a combat ambulance than the Pisces.

[@andyandreson3989]

Pisces still has a smaller landing footprint. But Terrapin better overall.

[@Dracounguis]

@andyandreson3989 it's not that much smaller. I guess it depends on how close you want to park in front of the bunker door. 😆

[@northernfabricationllc2281]

How dare you lol

[@PH03NIX96]

​@@DracounguisIt is significantly smaller when you consider the useable footprint on most carriers, and if you want to have multiple C8Rs that can fit 2 per Terrapin footprint

[@aviator2252]

pisces is a gurney with engines

[@Dracounguis]

I'm going to assume most of the long time backers are done putting money into the game and will just melt old ships they are tired of to buy the new ones. No new money. Hell I still have two Pulses (AKA LTI tokens) I've been sitting on since they released them.

[@picklesuhk2945]

100% its all i do

[@senn4237]

Yep 100%. I melted the couple of concept ships I had (inc Galaxy) to use as store credit. Never will buy a concept ship again, only straight to fly and never with new money.

[@tafferinthedark]

The answer to the galaxy changed nothing. They switched their "NO" to a non committal response that means basically the same thing.

[@Dracounguis]

@@tafferinthedark yeah really all they had to do was say 'coming soon™' and then ignore it for a few years. 😆

[@Coupe420]

​@@Dracounguiswhich is exactly what they did. Shut people up with empty promises. All these people do is sell hope and people eat it up! My wallet is closed until I see something actually getting DONE not just being made up on the spot and sold then changed.

[@PoisonTaco]

Funding has plateaued because we haven't gotten results yet. We're still in a holding pattern for 4.0 and the game is currently very rough to play. Once we're actually able to play the game funding will be back.

[@seaofenergy2765]

What if theres fundamental problems with the modified 2012 engine spaghetti code they cant solve and the game will never be properly playable ?

[@evictor99]

The F8C golden ticket guaranteed that I would not spend any more money on this game. That whole marketing stunt was predatory.

[@michaelsmith953]

As someone who never wanted an f8c but had friends with 10s of golden tickets if I desired one....why do people complain about the sale?

[@karakiri283]

@@michaelsmith953 "we will never sell this overpowered ship" ... "here the ship give us money" If you are genuine, i would say poor soul, if you are some shade of spiritual shareholder, go play on train tracks.

[@Talaxiin]

@@michaelsmith953lol it’s called an opinion, everyone one has one 😂

[@TheKinren]

@@michaelsmith953 Because its something to complain about. I mainly just joke about the memes on live streams but the amount of complaining about every little thing CIG is doing is just too much and I sometimes have to turn away from it and do my own thing. Its just too much whining. Its like Micro Management but instead of Managing is complaining. I do enjoy hearing Constructive feedback which is why I like Mike's channel. He is great at the memes and the constructive feedback.

[@karmaslap2252]

​@@michaelsmith953CIG promised long ago they would never sell the F8 because it was intended to be a very powerful ship that wouldn't be balanced. They stated you'd be able to steal it in-game with effort, but never sold. A lot of old time followers were upset because it really highlighted that CIG doesn't have any principles beyond making money.

[@davidkerr7]

As a new player I think buying ships takes away the who point of playing SC, its a lot more fun to earn a new ship.

[@Astelch]

ideally a good fighter/cargo hauler will allow you to ramp up your money making so you can buy those new ships. If you're starting out with a starter ship you're not gonna be earning as much as someone with a ironclad/c2 or a f8c/f7 hornet.

[@davidkerr7]

@@Astelch Ya, that the whole player progression is to work your way up to bigger and better ships, not to swipe your credit card and have like a Starlancer Max just so you can see your currently go up faster.

[@alexpetrov8871]

Only if your type of fun is to grind. But you can grind rep, or loot in 4.0 contested zones.

[@OneTomato]

@@davidkerr7actually getting ships is not the actual progression, just like they showed at citizencon the ship progression will be upgrading your ship up different tiers, with better materials and “schematics”, not buying a bigger ship, bigger ship are for crews and orgs,

[@arenomusic]

BASED

[@Accuracy158]

The ships Montoya was skipping over were the ones he already purchased.

[@x3n0v1s]

Space Marshal here. My wallet is closed. First time in years I'm not buying anything for IAE. MM, slow space combat speeds and CIG not listening to feedback for a year and instead they slowed down speeds even further. SQ42 development has seemingly compromised Star Citizen by pulling developers away from SC and building features in a vacuum that didn't have any feedback from the backer community until we got our hands on it. Thats why this past year has felt like SC has taken major steps backwards. IMO the build last year (3.21) was better in almost every way (except star map) than the game we have today.

[@arenomusic]

o7

[@araynortassadore3056]

Look at how marketing and design teams change vehicle loadouts, function and architecture before and after release. It makes the whole buying in game items more regretting. The more they deviate from the initial design after purchases the less people want to buy. That and the world economy is in the toilet right now

[@coldshock5181]

People who buy these expensive ships will make bad purchasing decisions no matter the economy lol, people are just finally getting annoyed at the timeline and current state of the game

[@barrybarry8564]

i dont understand the people like this guy. 'i will definitely add this to my fleet'. wtf are they planning to do in the game if they already own all the ships theyre even moderately interested in haha. oh well, keep funding the clown fiesta, good for him. well i guess bad for him, good for the rest of us.

[@Leispada]

my thoughts exactly

[@alexpetrov8871]

>wtf are they planning to do in the game if they already own all the ships Right now a lot of players already pledged or bought ingame any ship they intersted in and they still playing. I have all ships I need, I just switch between pve, pvp,mining,trading,travelling e.t.c when I have the mood. I have 1500$ pledge and 40K$ worth fleet bought ingame for 50$ MMOPixel aUEC package. Yet before they broke mining in 3.24.2 I did hand mining and ROC mining just for fun. Yesterday I set up second account on my laptop, put it next to my PC screen and for an hour harassed Hurston security around Everus in Hammerhead solo, piloting with left joystick on PC screen and shooting from turret with mouse on laptop screen ))) When Pyro will be released - I have a lot of plans for RP exploration and for pvp bountyhunting. And I definitely will try the trick with laptop on Polaris which I thanks to myself bought for store credits this spring and then melted. I was very happy to find it at my cemetery of melted ships, I even forgot I did pledged it.

[@OneTomato]

I think you haven’t follow much star citizen, is not about the ships Itself since owning a ship is not much intern of the game, you know that there will be different tiers ? Upgrading a ship to tier 5 will not be easy, “pledging” will only guarantee the tier 1 version which is the basic one So yeah owning the ships doesn’t make you automatically win the game, is just another tool

[@OneTwoMark]

@@OneTomatoWe just literally found that out this month, people were buying the ships for many years before that.

[@Gofr5]

Spend less time getting the ships you want and more time on upgrading their components and their tiers up to tier 5. Good lord tier quality for ships is the dumbest thing CIG has thought up so far. Ship upgrades should be limited to components only.

[@Dracounguis]

It doesn't matter if Mike doesn't care about solo gameplay... It matters if CIG cares about it! And I don't think they do. At least not in any real sense. They see solo players as one step above NPCs. There to be killed by a group of people.

[@arenomusic]

The Rust experience

[@dark_winter8238]

For the game to be functional it needs to have solo capabilities. If you logged out of a large ship with a bunch of friends you need to be able to manage that ship when you log back on.

[@billhille6715]

Someone made a great point, the 'fat fury' he mentions from this years citcon is most likely not the fat fury. That ship was in last years tease of upcoming ships and none of those ships from last year were also duplicated in the tease from this year like the Intrepid, so why would that ship be the fat fury aka guardian?

[@kalnexus]

Imo it's called exponential growth, and it's plateuing. They need a really big milestone accomplishment now, or things get squirlly.

[@GR8Saiyan]

I agree, they need to produce some serious progress over the next year or two or it’s gonna get pretty stale. They can only make so many ships. What happens when the ship ideas run out, where does the money come from when ships aren’t selling. The game needs to be ready in a few years or they will fold.

[@Dracounguis]

Didn't they say Mirai was split off to be the racing brand? Why the hell is there a Mirai Guardian?! Can't CIG keep a brand identity intact for over a year?

[@SpaceDad42]

They are making everything up as they go along.

[@michaelsmith953]

No they split it off to become the high end more alien inspired brand. They specifically said this when they changed the misc razor into the Mirai razor and added the Mirai fury to the game. Not racing not sure if that's what you assumed but the wording was specifically high performance. This is also why the Mirai fury exists since it's a combat ship... perfect for mini carriers...

[@Dracounguis]

@michaelsmith953 okay I guess 'high performance' can be a very big umbrella. 😆

[@Phoenixstorm36]

I thought Mirai was their Performance branch like racing but not exclusively.

[@Dumb-Comment]

20:14 no I think you mean it when you say you don't support solo gameplay, this is the same vibe to "This is supposed to be a multiplayer game, solo players shouldn't be able to have any kind of end game" Well I'm a solo player then I guess I'll just cut my losses and leave, enjoy your org gameplay Mike.

[@Desenrad]

I personally really want CIG to feel a bit of pressure. They are very comfortable selling ships but releasing mediocre content. It feels like we get 5% of the content CIG are capable of releasing. Why do we need to wait for Pyro to get more planetary locations and missions. We have Stanton. It feels Barron. I feel like SQ42 is some cover to not focus on gameplay systems. We pay these people their salary, and get drops of what we could be getting in return.

[@Pr0t0typeSky]

For the price of the Apollo it seems small, I was expecting it to be Connie sized

[@Dracounguis]

I only care about the medical ships because I die easily in bunkers. I'm not going around rescuing people. ⚰️

[@peregrinusfalco]

I wonder if CIG will sell the project to microsoft when the money runs out....

[@Cam_Wight]

Dear Christ that’s my worst nightmare

[@HereIsZane]

It seems they pitched Sq42 to them, so its possibke they were at least seeking more funds

[@SpaceDad42]

Hope so. The current project is way off the rails.

[@SpaceDad42]

@@HereIsZane Mostly likely it is new Xbox related.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

So you really enjoyed Starfield that much?

[@CaptEirikr]

C8R Pisces is one of the best FPS mission runners you can have; even comes with some medpens.

MM and the other silly changes and predetory marketting and shitty performance has consequences

[@Dracounguis]

Ironclad... The Drake shoebox! 😜

[@F1neW1ne]

I just tried to play for the first time in months. The new MFD's suck and are missing features. The controls are a mess again and had to try and fix most of them. There is little white dashes or something floating around when I fly my ship that look amature. There was fog at the terminals on NB. After landing my ship I could not lift off to adjust position it was trying but was like I was glued in place. Seriously things are devolving IMO.

[@stuartburns8657]

GIVE THEM NOTHING! Stop the grift. HOLD THE LINE

[@arenomusic]

I might throw them $20 out of pity for IAE, I think everyone that is willing to buy $700 jpegs has already done so. They need to finish a game so they have an actual revenue stream.

[@stuartburns8657]

@arenomusic Even that is took much. Buy your Mum some flowers, she'll appreciate it more :)

[@Cam_Wight]

I’m predicting that the F8C will be on sale again at IAE, due to low sales, and also due to BiS. (The leaked skins look awful, hope they change them) Also heard a rumour that the new “cheesecake” event reward might be another token for a ship sale 🤑

[@XShadowAngel]

If the BIS skins are good, then yeah. The pinkish purple abomination paint sure won't get ship sales. lol.

[@Astelch]

Of course f8c will be back. 10 years insurance. $300. November is the best month to boost sales before the quarterly report

[@ChannelHandlePending]

If they didnt want funding to plateau then they shouldnt have spent the past year destroying all the moral the community had. MM split the community because a lot didnt like how it slowed the game down. Then came along the cargo update has less people that like it than MM (not to mention the ATL$ debacle) as it showed how bad a lot of "cargo" ships are at carrying cargo - oh and it slows down the game. Ship "balance" decisions are another thing that got people up in arms, from the corsair and the redeemer changes to decisions made during the development of the CL thats now making that ship miserable to use too. And to top it off you constantly have stuff like the "speculation" citizen thing too. All these things popping off in the space of a year. Honestly unless IAE is bad in terms of funding I dont see CIG getting their act together and stopping marketing, balance/"gameplay experience" teams, and tier 0 implementations of stuff from further ruining the game.

[@Mace1000S]

No concepts for me, I will probably do the medical Terrapin, but I am really going to try not to. The problem is I’ve always really like the terrapin.But hated that the ship has no gameplay.

[@Mace1000S]

Mike, help me not spend money talk more about no gameplay. I’m a sick sick old gamer. And I do like ships.

[@Mace1000S]

I would use the terrapin medical for bunkers.

[@senn4237]

Never buying another concept ship. Well I'm not buying anything new, just melting and store credit. But all the people that kept saying after the Galaxy fiasco "everything is subject to change, it is an alpha, read the fine print!", you are absolutely right. That means you can have no trust that the concept ship you want wont change completely in a year, so why buy it now? Because the prince will go up? That is just FOMO marketing.

[@mariomarques1507]

Those 2 ships aren't Mirai Guardian and Crusader Intrepid. I don't know why the community thinks CIG will repeat ships from one CitizenCon to another to make more money. Not to mention that what they showed us from 2023 CitizenCon has nothing to do with those 2 ships. And people still say this nonsense. This is a new batch of ships. It has nothing to do with last year's list of CitizenCon ships. Come on guys!! Wake up!! CIG is going to do new ships for more money.

[@AsuraDandy]

12:45 This is why I really like the Starlancer MAX, because it was a ship that was designed with the current cargo gameplay in mind. People complaining about it not having a big cargo capacity, like I don't even care about that. I like that it has a cargo elevator that you can easily store majority of your cargo onto, the vehicle bay having additional cargo grids with a wide ramp to fit more. Its a ship that makes it easier to get your cargo into and I love it. people may hate that it has large crew quarters, I personally love that, it makes this ship feel like a home, like the Serenity from Firefly. I can roll with my boys in this ship and it'll never feel cramped.

[@karakiri283]

The Atlas is porbably the base building one because we literally saw it during the base building presentation.

[@SkyeWolf310]

Last year they sold the first round of Zeus as well as both the Drake Cutter Rambler and Scout that was a big moneymaker. And those were more affordable than this years Star Lancer. Now Ships always tended to sell more than ground vehicles so the Argo CSV is probably a small impact unless they were bought as LTI tokens. Lastly, a lot of people that wanted the Zeus already bought it them in the first round. I don't believe the Galaxy was sold until November so you can't really include that one. For this October to have done better they would have needed to also release a Small ship of some sort before a IAE.

[@Jenan_Tahnik]

Thank you for pointing out that 8M is only bad in comparison to last year, and the reason that last year was so exceptional.

[@HughJazz69696]

so the problem with the revenue stuff is they are lagging behind overall at the same time over the past couple years, and with their cost up as high as they are now this is a significant issue to pay attention to. And with S42 not contributing to income, but instead continuing to drain the coffers, for the next two plus years this should be VERY concerning for backers as it's likely to affect development if they can't get they hands around the issue.

[@First_Chapter]

And there's the press report just out that CIG laid-off 100+ people in Texas and California...

[@john-paulfoster1703]

Has anyone even read their financial statements? They make year over year $5-7 mill gross profit funding two projects. They have around $27 mill in cash reserves. If they make less than last year or 2022, CIG will still make positive income. More than enough money to get through 2026. All they have to do is sell Vanduul ships and their rolling in dough.

[@frogger2011ify]

If you burn a 109mil a year and get no where with your game one bad year and your done. Your not solvent if your cash reserves can't float you in a bad year

[@john-paulfoster1703]

@ goal of any company is to break even as much as possible and reinvest. Main operating costs are labor and servers. The minute SQ42 goes for sale and sells the liability and expenses incurred can be recovered and are instant profit.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

You assume that SQ42 has not already sold to the vast majority of people who want it.

[@michaelsmith953]

Yeh those don't seem like great reserves lmao that means they've burned basically all their money and we have 2 star systems and barely any gameplay...so 1.0 would need 700mil more to complete 😅

[@frogger2011ify]

@michaelsmith953 I don't think we have to star systems until it's actually in the pu lol. Then we gonna have 2 with nothing to do in them brilliant

[@laughablehalo6202]

Perseus: "I hope I can fly and fire one of the 360 degree twin S7 cannons at the same time" ....come on man. You can't take this guy seriously.

[@FulguroGeek]

Some ppls dont remember something that was said by CIG back in the time of the contest, the Great spaceship. CR said that they would want to never stop creating new ships from those companies so at one point there might be5 starter ship from 1 company but just like in the car industry ppls seak ancient car like lets say someone want a firebird from Pontiac, as a pride.. so there will ship that might feel obsolete or surpassed in the game but you have them in you collection or because you like the design... they are treating ship companies in the game as if they were real car company that produce constant model and innovations... thats a bit creepy for a game that has not yet released but thats how they spoke about that backthen...I have a super computer memory of any information regarding SC!

[@pontifexinferno]

That's not the Mirai Guardian, fwiw. The Guardian is coming out this year and that one looks significantly different. The Intrepid is also coming out this year. Doesn't seem like they'd put it on next year's list as well.

[@FulguroGeek]

I noticed one thing from people like Montoya, they are mid age and they have a lot of money.. you now have a game that release space ship model detailed like they were real the the smallest bolts... thos ppls were willing to pay 500 bucks for a hogwart Lego or 700 bucks for a lord of the ring Lego or models.. so now they just shifted their collection into space fleet where they can jump in with their other midle age freinds and geek out as they were meeting in a real spaceship drinking a few bears talking over discord....Thats what Sc is, its a beautiful looking 3d environement where you can geek out in ultra detailed ships.. you can play the game.. if it works but thats mainly what SC is.. I dont know how quick it now take to create a ship from scratch, but i remember hearing that the price in manpower to create a ship in SC would be around 150 000usd for small ships and up to 750 000 for huge ships so from their funding try to estimate how much mney goes in ship developpement and creation probably a good 20 percent of the budget, plus if you count that they probably take i will estimate 50 percent of the budget for SQ42... your lest with 30 percent of the total funding for creating every other thing around SC.. its less than that i forgot to think about server cost and their office cost.

[@CraigPaschang]

My adult spending, in sequence: Lego, D&D, Star Citizen, my kid’s sports. I don’t regret the first three, but I can’t afford to go back to spending much on any of them.

[@CFitzPlay]

I want to see that Crusader ship. If it’s a starter then I hope it does as much as the Avenger.

[@UBIQUITAR]

A lot of the new ship buys were a cheap CCU from an already owned and vested ship. So it's not a panic situation also being so hungry for money. it's time to work. I'm not worried

[@jamesgale9722]

That's not the Guardian as the Guardian was mentioned in last years update John Crewe mentioned. Not is that silhouette the Intrepid as that was also shown by JC on the previous slide. If they were moved over to the next 12 months slide (and John said these were going INTO production in the next 12 months) then we would have had a Polaris silhoutte

[@JukkaPalme100]

They said that the glaxy BB module comes soon after BB is released.

[@senn4237]

They say a lot of things. But in their own words, it is all speculation until it is on the pledge store.

[@JukkaPalme100]

@@senn4237 Mike said that CIG said nothing about when the Galaxy will be released, but they did.

[@riosasin3086]

i predict they will shelf the pioneer just like the BMM 90% also that ship can't CCU so only new money WB or freezed $850 store credit

[@arenomusic]

Stays at $950 while in concept to avoid the >$1000 restrictions and then put into the backlog for 6-7 years. Find this comment and roast me if I'm wrong, I want to be.

[@riosasin3086]

The Consolidated Outland has no ship bigger than the Nomad and they want to make a capital-sized ship simultaneously with the Perseus? give me a break it gray box at Citizen-con is made from Drake and Argo access that's why it looks so industrial, if they want to speed up, they already took the spot for the galaxy instead so it could share access between 3 RSI capital ship

[@riosasin3086]

IT all: We need money, Buy this Pioneer $850, it comes out next year. Nah i'm good, i know what they doing, no Drone even exists yet

[@Fragnatix]

When they will reach 1.0 or something close to it, if they succceed gameplay loops, I am totally fine with subscription to maintain the cost of infra, BUT they have proven to spend money where it doesnt count, so yeah

[@Decimus-Magnus]

Realistically, it wouldn't be hard to modify the cargo module and turn it into a drone bay. There's really zero reason to not have the base building module/functionality in 1.0 if the Galaxy is in game (which supposedly it's coming after the Perseus).

[@Dracounguis]

Crusader Intrepid? I get the vibes of an Ares with a bit of cargo and a living space. As a starter ship. So instead of having 2-4 small guns, they're going to give it one big gun?

[@Dracounguis]

The Zeus is nice but it's first on my chopping block to melt if I need the money. Medical Pisces will be CCUed to the Medical Terrapin. Assuming CIG doesn't want $250 for it! Then I'll be fine with keeping the Pisces. 😉

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Terrapin is a $220 ship.

[@Juxer_SC]

​@@Kyle-sr6jmThe regular one is, yes. Medical will cost more.

[@Dracounguis]

@Kyle-sr6jm I know. I would have bought one if it had been reasonably priced. But it's utterly useless in the game ATM. So if they make the medical version stupidly expensive I will just keep shoving the Nursa in my MSR. 😉 _( and I have near zero hope that it will be reasonably priced. )_

[@Dracounguis]

@@Kyle-sr6jm some of the older ships are very overpriced. I bet CIG would not make the terrapin $220 if released today.

[@PvtDamion]

Maybe Montoya already has an Apollo and Ironclad? I do. I'm really curious what that little flipped wing (presumably) Drake ship is going to be, I love the utilitarian look Drake has and maybe it's for a loop I haven't gotten a ship for yet

[@dar_veider2702]

Love this Montoya videos reactions 😂😂

[@justclipsfrominternet]

The question is not do you want a ship that do…(whatever)?, the real question is “how many are you buying?”

[@UBIQUITAR]

The first hurdle with a foriegn language is we don't have understanding and even after learning a bit of language we strive to understand. But in the real world where people understand why don't we strive to have true understanding of the situation. The spartan looking builder has extra wheels clearly bigger rear sectiob either cargo or base related and the guardian im sold

[@shanks2872]

The new hornets are clearly the Mk3 for IAE and Mk4 for Invictus.

[@beavschannel5217]

I am a Persey owner and I agree with you Mike, it is meant to be enjoyed woth friends, I want to be flying orbits around targets and watching those big guns broadside it, whole I fire off-bore missiles at things.

[@boog3005]

Mining is incredibly broken in 3.24.2. Ran a crew a few days ago in a mole and you can't mine anything without either overcharging it or not having enough charge to even crack it.

[@BiasHyperion]

Too many people are ccu'ing to the new ships dropping, they only made about 5$ off me getting my starlancer from taurus.

[@TairnKA]

I purchased a Starlancer (cargo), but discovered it was missing a feature another version had (hangar) so I got a refund. It was also missing a Captains Quarters (no version has). ;-)

[@keldornify]

The StarLancer wasn't that hot, it was just "Ok", the ground vehicle felt like a joke, the Zeus was decent so I am guessing most of their sales were from that. The Galaxy felt way more compelling in the previous year. I feel like some big numbers are on their way for IAE though, plenty of people want to buy the Pioneer after CitizenCon, and that's a big boy.

[@critic_empower_joke_rlaxtslife]

Yeah, IMO medway tiers 1, 2, 3 is a jab at backers wallets tbh. They could be speed at which a bed functions, very gimmick and marketing oriented but bed can or can't is a jab at backers. Also what you see as intrepid could be something else? Physically looking really big mate, it could be a vanduul, I would not be surprised.

[@troyh8163]

I can't help but laugh at the theory crafting that still exists with this game after 12 years. Pretty soon we can do everything we have dreamed of and more... we just have to wait a little longer... any day now... it's almost here...

[@Alexander-z2m8m]

$8M for Oct it to much money for CIG. They have to finally deliver. People notice that things are going badly and hopefully they will not spend more money to CIG. But that ultimately means too: game over

[@Mullins23]

I think they are making for more money than they should be but I also think it is crazy for people to be spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on ships. I used to save up a "monthly fee" and spend it on ships/CCUs to support the games development. I stopped giving them new money and don't think anyone else should either. I want NPC crew, private servers, and mods.

[@LlamaTheory]

The game is just a fucking slog to play now, even when you get lucky and have a bug-free experience. With nothing truly new added in forever there's really no reason at all to play it - and by extension spend money. Frankly I've felt this way for years now, but I always had some glimmer of hope that all the new tech would really turn things around... but all indications and evidence are pointing to 4.0 being a fucking unmitigated disaster. I think a lot of people are feeling exactly the same way I am, and the wallets are indefinitely closed till this game actually gives us a reason to play it. I have managed to sell off most of my shit over the years, but I still am in for ~$500. I really don't think I'm ever going to see a real return on that money in a version of Star Citizen that I actually think is fun, and I guess I've made my peace with that... but fuck if that isn't a bitter pill to swallow. The hype is dead, and CIG's naked attempts at extorting players with existing fleets to cough up more money by fucking with their purchases are just gross at this point.

[@SONYUSR]

terrapin is/was a great dropship, until CIG nerfed the ballista into oblivion and combined arms died

[@bappo2693]

Buying ships in itself sounds crazy to me 💀

[@OntarioPete]

People have had enough paying for this game and getting nothing in return broken promises, empty responses from CIG. Delays, features promised that sitcom now being removed until further notice nobody wants to pay for this anymore. It’s about time. People are waking up.

[@FieldHoodGaming]

That new Crusader ship can be classified as a 2 player starter ship ;)

[@nuanil]

And where is it in relation to the last 4 years from May to October comparatively? Looks to me like they are down over the last couple years for the same time period, but only since MM dropped.

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

I'm a whale. I've whaled in this game hard. Like 10k hard. But I have absolutely no reason to whale further now that I know ai crew isn't coming with 1.0. My wallet is closed until ai crew are in the game. I've whaled enough, they don't get any more of my money unless the stuff they eluded I would get is actually real and no longer on a back burner.

[@GUNJOEXD]

10k, I’m sorry bro, you are not a whale 😅

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

@GUNJOEXD well, not a whale by star citizen standards. But by any other game, yeah I am lol.

[@coldshock5181]

Dosnt npc crews invalidate all the people saying ships are not p2w, also good this game needs less whales so they can start locking in

[@First_Chapter]

@@coldshock5181 Many years ago CIG said that NPC crews would be part of SC and that each additional starter package on an account would translate into an NPC crew member. Now, CIG's news is that NPC crew will be absent from 1.0 (whenever that comes; maybe 2026 concurrent with the first part of SQ42?) and who knows when the feature may appear. Hence long-term backers with a good memory are critical and writing they will give no fresh money to CIG. If that commitment holds then CIG has to replace all such lost revenue. But if newer players see buying ships as P2W and so won't spend those people won't replace lost sales. Cosmetics are too cheap to bridge the gap. A subscription won't be acceptable unless SC is reliable and, additionally, multiple comments on multiple creator channels suggest long-term backers will walk if a subscription model is implemented.

[@fr4me.01]

Another thing regarding new ships being pushed with no gameplay behind them. I'd rather their developers get completely split up. More going to capital ship development, one team doing ships and the rest of the developers working on the GAME and GAMEPLAY. With the ship designers AND the GAMEPLAY designers having weekly meetings discussing what each is doing, possible gameplay loops and how the game designers can work with ship designers to create cool new stuff. Have one mega patch per year right before Citcon. I bet they'd sell more and with patch cycles WELL TESTED, the PU wouldn't be a smoldering mess. Right now theres no reason to even have the game installed just like what happened with 3.18 because it doesn't run for more than 5 minutes at a time. CIG is pumping out these garbage ships, with no gameplay loops people are supposed to create their own content for in a server that might survive for 10 minutes.... Normal players take hours to setup their roleplaying ships to do a single mission... CIG is so out of touch. Management needs to get completely shakin up AGAIN.

[@defnotscott8667]

Why put dev work into a module for the Galaxy when you can build and sell three new $300+ ships instead :D

[@northernfabricationllc2281]

Well seeing as they removed all the good ships for sale on the site, what would one expect?

[@romain13100]

I will make some small purchases from the store when 4.0 is released, but nothing before that.

[@acllhes]

They need to ship the fucking game. Almost a billion is enough to make a game. Ship the fucking game. Then worry about making more money instead of scamming people for years and years.

[@Th3_Native]

For me the time of buying ships is over and the time to play is now and I think the community is reflecting that. We want to see a focus on game building not ship building. Move ship teams to back track and revamp older ships. Fix old ship designs. Give us a game.

[@shmayazuggot8558]

Not true the Misc’s sold do not do any building. The only ones for sale is the TAC and ….

[@adrianbarreto4225]

The orion is my essential ship, making money means buying the pioneer faster

[@grast5150]

Does anyone really think that ORGs over 300 players once integration enters SC is really going to happen? Test even in the best case of a 2000 player shard could consume it completely. Now bring in the end-game which CIG talked about, Does that make sense? My opinion is NO. Test will be broken up as 25K is too big.

[@Pandamaniac]

I'm considering liking this video

[@watcher98]

The guardian isn't a leak. They name it during citcon

[@Rift_Hawkman]

Let’s be honest if they ever wanted more money all they need to do is sell capital ships and not make them hull-limited.

[@Haplo-xf6mu]

Don't comment as much as I should for all your vids I watch - Thanks for what you do

[@arthurvartanov2573]

They will never ever make so mutch money anymore. They shoot in their feet when they said NPC crew will be after release. Noone will buy anymore ship bigger than fighter. What the point of buying big ship if you cant use it after release. Better just buy starter package and in time when npc crew will be ready you will have enought money to buy any ship in game.

[@g4mingsolo189]

That’s not the guardian, scale is different from the original image we got last year.

[@Phoenixstorm36]

Things can change, only time will tell.

[@middleagedbaldguy6774]

Put my dual sticks and my wallet away after the dogs breakfast that is MM. Was hoping for base building to entice me back but thats off the table now as well.

[@TagW110]

No need to worry, lots of people join cults all the time to keep them funded too.

[@Stedman75]

they can keep bringing out ships but nobody wants to fly them with master modes because they feel like crap.

[@Eagle6Airsoft]

I just can’t listen to anything Montoya says once you know his one of those krypto video people, buy this “krypto and we can all make money”. Once you understand that mentality it completely makes sense that he wants you to invest in these star ships. Don’t give cig money for star ships that do nothing. Give them money for making a game. Reward them for adding orgs 2.0 or base building game play, or reputation that works. Don’t fund other ship that does the same as another concepted ship that they just haven’t made yet. My biggest fear is cig doubles down on sq42 even more when it’s not that that has funded this game. It’s the pu.

[@AwesomeAverageDude_86]

does anybody know why they exactly delayed the Galaxy?

[@corvoadam5598]

Why buy a ship that will get nerfed to be replaced with a new release? Balance the old ships to be usable again and i will start buying again

[@XShadowAngel]

Nobody buys ground vehicle pledges (they make no sense), and the starlancer is meh. I mean personally anyway. Already tons of ships that do the same thing, and the aesthetics are very...MISC.

[@Mullins23]

"certain jump points will be for small ships" we will have 5 systems. I am sorry but this guy is delusional

[@Dumb-Comment]

2:35 also they removed the size5 of the redeemer and out that on this thing

[@LunaMoon0]

Its the Ironthing because its Just a brick With truhsters

[@Cynry]

A plateau is to be expected at some point, that shouldn't be cause for alarm, hopefully they find their stride and stop having to spend energy resizing and opening offices. Shrinking might be cause for concern, but it's too early to tell. Layoffs this year weren't linked to a lack of revenue, as far as we know. On-fucking-ward.

[@senn4237]

The alarming part should be the huge drop in new citizens in the past two years. We have plateaued at the number of players in the game as it stands now. Which means further funding will rely on squeezing the current player base harder and harder. If those players stop buying new ships then they will be in trouble eventually.

[@Cynry]

@@senn4237 Interesting, that does seem more relevant, yes!

[@First_Chapter]

What sources (other than CIG) tells that the 100+ layoffs in Texas and California were not driven by cost-cutting, please?

[@Cynry]

@@First_Chapter One of the laid off employee, can't remember where though. He said there was a wave of departure when CIG went back on the possibility of full remote and tried to get people to move to some new office, ways away. Still leaves the possibility that there were also some linked to cost-cutting, but that would be an assumption.

[@First_Chapter]

@@Cynry That did happen in England after CIG went to the new Allied London Enterprise location in central Manchester, which is neither close to the old offices in Cheshire nor to people's homes and a chore to commute to and from.

[@uther10]

Lol how is CiG supposed to make money to keep the company working? CiG has painted themselves into a corner.

[@edomaguaiota899]

shilltoya is such a weird cryptobruh

[@kVidStream]

Stop buying from CIG; buy from third party sellers.

[@unknowngreen7640]

fr i know all the tricks they have done with these sales and ships.. but if they made apollo i would be sold proud MSR owner her. they wont make me use more money on the game expect that ship xDDDD i dont care about the game play that ship just looks amazing