Salvaging the Industrial Action Ship - Hardspace Shipbreaker

[@viktormitev8052]

So it was all an illusion of choice? I'm glad I didn't do a 2nd replay just for that. Thanks Serilia!

[@Serilia]

Yup, I actually had asked during an AMA, the team would have loved to have branching choices but didn't have the resources for it :(

[@eriksolce7000]

Think about it. A single worker refusing to protest isn't going to change the outcome of a movement. The crew gave other shipbreakers a way to protest and the recording turned public opinion against LINX. One person isn't going to make that big of a difference.

[@pepperthekobold]

Same, saved me going through the whole game again, only to sour my opinion against a great game. Thanks

[@mrcapitan8286]

@@Serilia hey, after game succes maby we will get sequel or prequel with multiple choices and NPC models, difrent ships (battle ships, smuglers ship etc.) And new parts new difrent generators or new mechanics like killer ships that will try to kill you

[@Serilia]

@MrCapitan as much as I would love that I'm simply not holding my breath on it. I followed the game all throughout early access and I have low expectations for the possibility of sequels

[@quetzalthegamer]

Weaver did seem like the kind of guy who would be understanding if you chose not to wreck the ship.

[@Beeks81]

I figured that with the detail in this game, you could see the explosion from Kaito's reactor, and it turns out you totally can. You were even facing the right way, it's just up from where you were looking. The whole bay explodes.

[@Beeks81]

...and you have a video about that, lol.

[@Serilia]

Yup, somebody else commented about it too otherwise I would have had no idea! :D But thanks for pointing it out still ;)

[@OzoneGrif]

Nice, people on the forum said it wasn't properly implemented, but you proved them wrong. You can totally side with Hal. It won't change the story, but it changes the dialogs.

[@everythingpony]

But that doesn't change the story, it wasent implemented

[@malarkipliergame]

It was nice to see a shipbreaker video without commentary. Well edited too, nice job

[@Arkalius80]

This is basically what I expected to happen... but thanks for showing us so we don't have to worry about trying it.

[@fungers1514]

Thanks for showing what little does change. I was hoping there was a real difference in the ending. Something like what happened in my office when we tried to unionize. One traitor demoralizes the movement, the bosses crack down, and the movement dies. It's also worth noting that when companies have even half the power Lynx does, they just straight up murder protestors and their families with no consequences - like what happened at Ludlow. The story is really generous to private tyrannies and how bad they actually get.

[@Serilia]

I've heard some people say they would have wanted Calyssia to suffer consequences as well, so while I agree that the game is overall more positive than how bas it truly could be, I think they couldn't really go too deep into that. I also heard some people almost stopped playing after Lou got sent to Earth and everyone became Lynx's properties. If they had leaned more into the realism it would have turned the game into a chore to play. Let's say they did their best to balance bringing eyes on an issue and keeping the story palatable.

[@fungers1514]

@@Serilia Oh yeah, still a very good game. This is just one piece I was disappointed in. There are more things to like than dislike and it comes with a good message. A lot of people may have stopped when Lou was taken out because that's where it sat in Early Access for a while before the release and reset.

[@Sintarzus]

I really thought that Hal will lock the market terminal, and fuck with the suit systems. Like O2/fuel leaks coming from the character, all that stuff. In this version it felt easy, an unrealistic powerfantasy. Also, Lynx is kinda good, if you think about it. They basically got you in serfdom (you are a spare after all), but they still give you: 8 mil-ish payoff at the end of each work cycle, so you can pay it off IN 130 work cycles (part of which Deedee can send to her family even when she is in debt); Ultraliberal work hours of 15 minutes a day (even if in reality the cycle is 10-12 hours, you still have to work 130-ish days to get your debt revoked; ~50 m^2 of living space. I lived in a dorm, had a 15m^2 room for three dudes. 52 got a ton of space (pun not intended). So, to be honest, a ton of people will LOVE to work there.

[@0g0mogosepikworld31]

@@Sintarzus how is our reality more depressing than fiction holy shit

[@mrogormand1]

I was moving pretty fast to pick up a lost piece of wreckage when they turned off the thrusters so you can watch the Kaito explosion :D I was too busy yo-yo-ing about the bay on my grapple trying not to fly off into the universe to pay attention to the story.

[@oglej]

Hal was freakishly similar to my experiences with supervisors in the post office except being an employee for lynx is way way better than working for the post office, I was kinda hoping to a subtle dual ending theme one where you continue to salvage the maximum value of ships siding with hal against the other shipbreakers replacing your supervisor potentially being promoted into management and watching over their replacements after a cloning goes poorly Or b eschewing salvage to pull parts for the armadillo failing goals as hal gets more and more harsh and frantic and eventually poaching the entire crew of the station as you head out to do your own thing

[@Serilia]

I don't think giving a positive outcome without unions would resonate with the story's theme so I doubt they'd ever have considered implementing something like that

[@impooping69]

if you think lynx in this story is better than the post office you need to take your meds

[@mrroger-t6m]

It certainly fits the story , there will always be unscrupulous people​@@Serilia

[@Serilia]

@jaxkal9596 sorry me from a year ago phrased that wrong; "I don't think giving a positive outcome without the use of union would fit with the message intended by the devs" would be more exact.

[@Mr-J...]

​@@impooping69if you think the post office deserve any sympathy at all, then you need to take your meds.

[@herebejamz]

Kinda bummed it's just the same basically, but I can't exactly blame them. Firstly, it's a fantastic excuse to blow up a ship. Secondly, who in their right mind would actually side with Hal intentionally? He's comic book evil.

[@thelogicmatrix]

I mean honestly I thought he was an okay boss if a bit overbearing until he fucked with kaito and got Lou kicked off the station

[@herebejamz]

He also got Lou to fall into the furnace once, pretty early on. Sure, she still had her backup, but it is very obvious that dying is painful, and still remembered. Her screaming for help while he literally has her locked out of her suit doing "yoga" really got to me.

[@Serilia]

To be fair she didn't die and got control over her thruster just in time to save herself. But yeah it showcases how willfully blind (at best) Hal can be

[@eredamlug]

Happily sided with Hal because I didn't have a choice in joining the union. I enjoyed pretending to be the snitch and sabotaging the crews efforts.

[@herebejamz]

@@eredamlug Understandable. You horrible monster. lol

[@Yorgl]

Thanks for that. I was wondering if there was a bad ending ; not the case but at least there are appropriate dialogs for that :)

[@someolfellow1094]

I get they want a happy ending, but Kaito's death was so impactful to me. To have him come back kinda ruined its impact. If Hal had to live knowing he got that young fella killed would've been a good narrative, how the others would've impacted by his permanent death, there was a lot of potential there. There's a story writing rule when it comes to character deaths, if the amount of narrative value gained by the characters death is more impactful than their potential if they lived then it may be a good idea to kill them off. Seeing as this is the end of the story, and how impactful his fake-out death was to the others I think had he actually died it would've left a much bigger impression on the players. The game is wonderful and I love it dearly, but this is the one part of the story I disagree with. Edit: Also, consider how God damn massive the explosion was at his rig, how the hell did he survive that with his thrusters off? Based on his reaction it sounded like he wasn't even moving away all that fast if at all.

[@debott4538]

Thanks for the video. I've been wondering about that. Did you know that you can actually observe Kaido's reactor explosion when it happens?

[@Serilia]

o.o Well now I feel like my video is lacking. Whenever I observed the other cutter's bay it was just the same things playing in the background, would you happen to know which of the bays is the one that has the reactor explosion?

[@debott4538]

@@Serilia I think it's the one beneath the barge, towards the Earth. Although I can't find any footage online, and I am too lazy to replay the entire career just to confirm. If you manage to capture it, please make a video. :)

[@debott4538]

Correction: It is the one above and behind Morrigan Station. There is a video of by Doublevil, fom 2:32:30 onward: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZrLqYSGg9ykadE

[@Serilia]

whoops, missed that comment, thanks for confirming, I'll try to get that!

[@comand0z0mbra]

Ah dude, thanks for the video. I was just having fun breaking the last ship and I was like well I will just see the bad guy side version on youtube, but I didnt think there wouldnt be any other video related to siding with the bad guy, but what a lame ending even when you choose to be a bad boy too. I was expecting something like a medal or something decorative at least for being part of lynx at the end

[@Serilia]

I think either the devs didn't want to put too many ressources into an alternative ending, or maybe they didn't want to encourage taking the option. Don't know for sure though

[@bellotriggerfish]

@@SeriliaI think the devs clearly wanted to send a message, and it reflects in the writing. So siding with the mega corp was never really an option imo. Also, another KZbinr pointed out a documentary about the hardships of real world ship breaking and its toll which is linked in the end game credits, so that gives you an idea where they came from. I just finished the story mode, and while it is somewhat entertaining, I am really here for the chill music and the relaxing ship breaking part. If the game had no story, I would be enjoying it just as well.

[@CharlesOwens04]

When you make your evil character a cartoon while the rest of the cast are played straight, your story becomes the joke. The company is comically evil to the point where unionizing is a drop in the bucket. You're literally a slave for as long as they're able to duplicate you from the data they collect. Proper working conditions aren't even possible or else the cutters wouldn't have requesting cloning to remain. Hal could have been played straight but was a Saturday Morning cartoon level of bad from the design to the voice. The story could have dealt with the more insidious problems with the contract than, "Muh debt" since they just insisted on having the damn thing. I just wanna cut ships and owe people money, god dammit.

[@AlexMint]

Unfortunately with mining towns that this is meant to harken back to, the bosses were actually cartoonishly evil in this exact manner(barring the cloning obviously). They fired on the workers, saddled them with debt, and did in fact claim ownership. Often when you describe real scenarios in fiction, people say it's too on the nose.

[@OGSnoberry]

Looks like we got ourselves a scab, boys 'n girls!

[@ghans2305]

Was wondering if there was any major change, maybe next time i'll just see how fast i can destroy the ship!

[@jorakfalconstar1053]

Put a demo charge on the reactor and one on the thrusters. that takes about 50% of the ship with it

[@AlexMint]

In my nervouscitedness, I went too buckwild about how I destroyed the ship and it actually took a very long time because I nearly crashed the game with how many bits of debris I made with the splitsaw and demo charges.

[@holden5478]

Welp, glad I didn't replay this. Not that I would have the stomach to side with Hal.

[@elfomarcio]

That proves one scab isn't enough to break a union

[@mrcapitan8286]

The very reason why it don't change anythink is that Kay almost die, and that destroy Lynx reputation, for almost killing kid

[@everythingpony]

11:25 you're telling me, with all the technology, you cant undelete stuff? Like we can today?

[@CMDR-V-UncleJ]

i have been putting this off for a while till today.. I want all in Demolition man style :-)

[@mranthonymills]

Glad to know what happens!

[@Strothy2]

I wanted to do this at first, well good I don't need to now :D really curious to see what will happen xD Edit: I guess it's just one line of Dialogue that changes... HMMMM

[@Serilia]

Well, it's a bit more than just the one but... yeah story wise nothing changes after that

[@mrcapitan8286]

It has the same outcome but... It still dosen't fell right. At least Weavr is not mad at us, but still...

[@angeloluna529]

the part where kai was supposed to die really ruined it, reminds me of those generic kid friendly tropes in shows and movies where one of the characters dies but somehow survives

[@madscientistgamingcentral8689]

I am certainly knowing what ima gonna do :P

[@MusicaX79]

... The writers are trying to make the claim "look at our dystopian evil capitalist future, Unions are great!" Me who plays tabletop Cyberpunk and knows corpos would just shoot all of you if you unionize or make you 'disappear': "yeah. totally." I would have preferred they fixed how clunky the game is and allow you to skip dialog, then listen to this joke of a story. What's even funnier is that in the contract you sign in game they can just execute you if they want to, but they do absolutely nothing with it!

[@ericpigeon6179]

Soooo a single line of dialog is the only difference. Also glad i didnt do another play through.

[@Serilia]

Well, not just *a single line* (or this video would be much shorter)... But not that much more yeah.

[@ericpigeon6179]

@@Serilia good point. I was referring to the first line of communication in the hab. In my play through I had salvage part of the ship so I had already heard most of the radio chatter. That being said, for me, the end of story line felt rushed. There’s an expression in French, it went off like a wet firecracker... it felt like that. Regardless thanks for sharing!!!

[@TheM9lta]

ty Serilia! But after i tried stay with Hal, and NOTHING changed in gameplay or storyline, i was very tired to listen all this audiocrap

[@Serilia]

This video contains everything that changes in the game from that decision - so yeah, nothing else will change afterwards. Just stuff during the Industrial Action and a couple of lines from Weaver directly after.

[@CapStar362]

so basically only a handful of items change

[@Serilia]

Just a few lines of dialog yeah

[@CapStar362]

@@Serilia definitely a bit of a let down, but the game is soo small anyways, not surprised. Hopefully BBI will continue to evolve HSSB into more content.

[@SuperExpert]

Really cool game...horrible story...makes it even more annoying that you have no say in anything happening. Plus you can't even skip the story.

[@everythingpony]

So they just never implemented me siding with hal, gotcha, won't buy