Salvation - A Philosophical Inquiry | Episode 1913 | Closer To Truth

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[@daves2520]

Ephesians 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

[@blackbearbear9313]

Salvation is a perfect gift for everyone God Bless

[@dennyworthington6641]

As a wise man once said: Never underestimate the nonsense that H. sapiens can be made to believe.

[@antoinepham4505]

Your video helps me to understand better what I believe and why I believe what I believe

[@ruskiny280]

God is a God of Mercy not of vengence.

[@josiahtejeros4896]

"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing" --1 Corinthian 18:1

[@yanassi]

Josiah Tejeros, 1 corinthian 18:1 was a translation by William Tyndale from latin to old english, against the orders of the Vatican. Mr. Tyndale believed parishioners should be able to read the holy book themselves. For that translation, mr. Tyndale was executed by the vatican. Or perhaps you would like further information, perhaps you’re quoting the king james holy bible. English christianity became as a result as king henry the VIII wanted rome to annul his marriage so he could get with anne boylen. Rome said no, so henry VIII separated english christianity from roman christianity and the church of england was founded, years later after many bibles were scribed eventual, after i believe 40 different versions, under king james the current book you quoted from came into existence. Or perhaps you would like to go further into the roots of your religion, why do you read so many names in your holy book are jewish, it’s based on the jewish torah. Or perhaps the root of christian theology, monotheism. The first known case of monotheism is egyptian based, there were two occasions when monotheism took hold. long before moses came into being. Josiah, know thy religion.

[@your_average_joe5781]

​@@yanassisounds like you need to repent 😅

[@BuddyLee23]

I’m not religious myself, and you can see how many of the other comments here echo the same, but I think we have to admit just how easy it is for humans now to be so godless. The extreme comfort of medical science, of modern safety and security apparatuses, etc. It’s all too easy now. That said, I think there is a lot you can learn about human nature, society, and many other topics from theological pursuits. I think these particular episodes are good and worthwhile.

[@xspotbox4400]

Science help us go silent into that dark night, we don't rage against the dying of the light anymore.

[@yanassi]

Viscount Hutton . Yes, it’s as good a pursuit today as it was in early Paleolithic history to find answers to the whats and whys of life. Such things are all rooted in faith and belief, unproven theories. It’s easy to be godless, if you perceive god anthropomorphically. If you understand the root of religions you understand why god has been created in man’s image. It’s why so many are godless, they’ve been exposed to a faulty description of god. God is not human in my eyes, if not then what, if we are made in god’s image, then what is the similarity if god is not human, then consider what is your true image, don’t trust your eyes, if you are not the man in the mirror then what does your image look like, follow the logic if you can. It’s how i found a natural god. The logic I speak of is not what I’ve said, it’s where it takes you that i found amazing. I called it the yanassi theorem, named after someone who passed.

[@cindychristman8708]

@@yanassi If we're made with something wrong with us at the core level, then we can't be made in the image of god...that would make something wrong with God and I'm told God is perfect and a perfect being can't have something wrong with them nor can it sin. If you want to argue that we were made perfect first and we screwed it up, I would point out that a perfect being can't screw anything up. It seems like God screwed up many things, ergo, God is not perfect.

[@ΕμμανουηλΠετρουλακης-ψ5λ]

@@xspotbox4400 That's really bad poetry.

[@your_average_joe5781]

​@@cindychristman8708why is it so hard for you to see that you were born rotten, so you need to be born again! Don't complicate a simple matter. The gift of eternal life is being offered so... why not just take it with gratefulness ? 🤔

[@mohan1519]

One of the best videos I have ever seen, truth is the latter which can only be experienced…and can never be believed or proven…

[@xjohnny1000]

I can't help but think that all the worlds religions are just misinterpretations of a truth we all know but can't quite express.

[@TroyHagerman67]

True, so true

[@invisiblechurch9621]

We are one

[@scottbuchanan9426]

If you can't quite express the truth, can you say that you truly know it? I am not trying to be cute or gnomic here; I genuinely wonder if someone has grasped some form of knowledge if they cannot articulate it. It would seem to remain inchoate in that case. Moreover, if you can't be certain of what it is you grasp (reflected in an inability to express it), how can you know that it's true and that all the world's religions are false?

[@nightoftheworld]

“The Truth is that which runs after Truth.” - Lacan “The Truth is that which makes a hole in knowledge.” - Theresa Giron, _Umbr(a)_ “Truth is only available from a partial (engaged in the struggle) position.” - Zizek I think the easiest way to think of this is that learning never finishes, there is no whole knowledge, no master who knows us. What we all know but can’t express I think is this-that there is no end to the new in life, which means things are open and we are free to participate in the shape of this world, which entails all sorts of terror like totalitarianism or fascism which can appear as projects of liberation to the sleepy. We are free, that’s what we all know but can’t quite express I think because freedom depends on structure and is therefore particular-but that crack in the particular which bars the particular from being universal is what’s universal. We are free but only through submission to an ethical structure-in Christianity that’s the story of Jesus and his resurrection. The Holy Spirit is the community of believers bound by love, by the Christian ethic of grounded groundlessness. We are alone with our freedom and must struggle to reconcile ourselves with difference and contradiction in our lives-where two ideas grind against one another in search of Truth that is the truth. To work through contradiction (tarry with the negative) is to be most alive, to participate in becoming, in the process of the dialectic.

[@lindal.7242]

Well said👌💯

[@veronikawilliams80]

brilliant video, I've learned so much more.. thank you Robert Lawrence Kuhn I really do love the way you question, summarise - i get that.. so cool

[@thai2500]

WOW! What an awesome episode! Thank you so much for making these discussion available.

[@chrisr3592]

what a great channel

[@antoinepham4505]

Christian salvation doesn’t answer 100% of our questions, confusion, concerns but it answers at least more than half, enough that we all can take on the Pascal Wager to believe despite some unanswered areas like why sin in the first place, why the devil causing sin, etc.

[@paulkelly1162]

I highly recommend everyone to check out James Alison's and Rene Girard's work. They show how Christian salvation is deeply rooted in psychology, anthropology, mythology, and the development of world history--and it offers the best atonement theory I've seen. All without the mythological baggage and ad hoc moves you see made by so many analytic theologians.

[@kevinwilusz7767]

Is it a book or video

[@paulkelly1162]

@@kevinwilusz7767 Hey, Kevin! Depending on how you learn, you have options. You can listen to a great interview series with Girard on youtube. Look up "CBC Ideas Rene Girard" and then "Raven Foundation Joy of Being Wrong" for Alison. If you want a difficult but not completely academic book, I'd check out Alison's "The Forgivng Victim" and Girard's "I See Satan Fall Like Lightening". If you're comfortable with scholarly writing, Girard's "Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World" is a fantastic place to begin. For overviews, the "Girard Reader" is a great bite sized compilation of Girard. For a fantastic secondary literature overview of Girard, check out "Mimetic Theory" by Wolfgang Pavaler. Feel free to ask any questions!

[@jeanettesdaughter]

I’m fine with the voices of Closer to truth. Highly literate, thanks be to God, I know how to increase my knowledge. Not seeking amens here or agreement particularly just an intelligent discourse. The ‘ fixing of me by ceasing resistance and accepting love’ is a fine description of salvation, I think. At least here in this forum there is no contentious back and forth among the religious which I find quite off putting. Inner logic is a gift from God. We are the main if not only sentient beings in the known world who have it! Carry on.

[@Dismythed]

"No contract in the Law"? Does this guy even read the Torah? A covenant IS a contract.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Thank God there is a New covenant ✅

[@user-iz4pk6qx6b]

*_THERE IS NO RELIGION HIGHER THEN TRUTH_*

[@xspotbox4400]

Only way to know the truth is if you could see entire universe at once and from all existing view angles. Partial true is just another lie.

[@rclrd1]

*than

[@theophilus749]

Christ did surely agree.

[@empyrean9712]

Referring to the motto of Bavarian theosophical society. It’s all German Gnosticism/pantheism/esotericism/occultism the ancient and false science of the fallen angels.

[@FAAMS1]

Every time someone sells me eternal life I think of Babels Library and how horrific such eternity would be. A deal with Eternity without forgetfulness is damnation, not salvation...

[@TroyHagerman67]

Bad memories eventually become good ones when the lessons are understood, cleansing forgiveness and growth always

[@ernestmac13]

According to scripture, salvation and thus going to heaven results in nonstop worship of God forever.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Then you won't have eternal life. You choose.

[@FAAMS1]

@@your_average_joe5781 Why would anyone with at least 2 neurons at work would want eternal life? It baffles me deeply that so many people don't really grasp what the word eternal entails! Living literally forever would be true hell!

[@kwesikamau3458]

I find the characterization of salvation as personal sin and wrath abatement troubling. What is at stake is God's life project, for which the entire creation is involved - humanity centrally but not exclusively.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Don't complicate it. We are born rotten so we must be born again ✅

[@kwesikamau3458]

No. Let's get the thing right.

[@darioinfini]

None of these guys really answered the question. The bottom line is Christianity is an extension of the Hebrew tradition of blood sacrifice for sins. The Jews had multiple annual rituals of animal sacrifice to atone for their sins, because their God, the shared god of Jews and Christians, demanded it. Jesus as the son of God was the human sacrifice to atone for sins once and for all so you weren't doing this annually. Basically it's the religion of human sacrifice, represented by the pervasive use of the cross, the symbol of the murder weapon used to execute Jesus.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

human being created to follow God divine rule and leadership?

[@thebacons5943]

19:28 Peter van Inwagen isn’t gonna like that

[@tj2636]

I feel like this episode was intended to show how ludicrous the claims of Christianity really are.

[@your_average_joe5781]

You mean that we are born rotten so we must be born again? Sounds simple enough to me ✅

[@johnedelmann6711]

I may have said this before here, but after 19 seasons, you haven't figured out if you believe in God? That's ridiculous!

[@your_average_joe5781]

He is complicating a simple matter just to make these programs 😅 Salvation is pretty simple ✅

[@ReformedR]

Salvation: Giving human machines with free will the option of life over death

[@rysw19]

This whole episode is a little creepy. Strange the self-flagellation some minds insist on. It’s almost always ultimately self-serving.

[@drea7295]

God took responsibility on the cross.the covenant was made and fufulled by God in Christ Jesus.

[@bluelotus542]

Why is it so difficult to go back to Godhead? One possible answer is: if it was easy we would take it for granted and fall down again. We may have to learn the lesson the hard way.

[@Elaphe472]

I bet that's what a 10 y/o girl raped by a gang believes; she had to learn the lesson the hard way. Another possibility is that stupidity makes it easier to believe in "god".

[@onestepaway3232]

Jesus is our living hope rooted in history. Salvation is grace. Sin is transgression of the law. Keep religion away

[@your_average_joe5781]

By grace we are saved through faith ✅

[@nightoftheworld]

19:23 “If you find internal inconsistency then you haven’t found truth.” No. Christian truth is precisely about understanding that internal inconsistency is the Truth-as Truth in its purity is that which makes a hole in knowledge. Learning is never finished as truth is never whole-meaning continues to be written in the dialectical process. Paradoxically, reconciling oneself with this uncertainty/motion creates the ground upon which Christian believers stand-we are alone together with our freedom in the kingdom and most alive when we recognize the sovereign potential which flows through life eternal. God is a process of Becoming, not a substance.

[@larrylutsky181]

There are no contradictions in nature.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Your words are a bunch of nonsense and mean nothing. Don't complicate a simple matter ✅

[@lonelyphotographer6099]

Me: Do you believe in God? Siri: Humans have religion, I just have silicon.

[@bobs4429]

Corruption as chaos in which there is no justice or mercy? Sounds like modern American Evangelical Christianity.

[@yeneravgun8322]

I am a christian and am struggling with this issue. I have a growing dislike for the idea that God is going to send most people to hell when they die. Lot's of people are generally good and why should they go to hell just because they haven't figured out that believing in Jesus was their ticket to heaven? This doesn't make sense.

[@empyrean9712]

Since God is sovereign and absolute he can’t afford to accept sin into the kingdom of heaven that would be contrary to his nature. Anything not of God must be extinguished. Think of having a severely diseased arm that needs to be amputated or else you’ll die. You would do what’s necessary to survive even though it’s your body part.

[@johnedelmann6711]

My idea is that if everyone automatically goes to heaven, there would be no need for Salvation, for Christ. God makes things in a way that we sometimes don't understand, but having faith that God is a just ruler, that we need to have faith in order to believe in his intentions may be the best course of action.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Your concept of hell is not correct. If the gift of God is eternal life.... then what is the opposite?? God is not willing that any should PERISH !! Your understanding of hell is not correct ✅

[@ManuGeorge777]

❤

[@ernestmac13]

I disagree with the host of this show, Philosophy means the search for knowledge, this means Philosophy does concern itself with the truth of such claims as Salvation. Even prior to Socrates, there were Philosophers who questioned religion, such as one who questioned the belief in the God's as; they were supposed to.represent all that was beautiful and good, but often did bad things and brought chaos to the world. It's no surprise than that, Logic the very language of modern science is Logic. What complicates things is well known theologians in Europe called themselves Christian Philosophers; when they were simply Apogists who did all they could to undermine the fact, humans can understand the Universe around us, and our place within it. By undermining Logic and Reason, these individuals asserted that faith is a viable means for.determing truth; which it isn't.

[@ernestmac13]

I just ran across this video today, and can't believe there are 19 seasons of this show. It's obvious religion was our early attempt to understand the world around us, given our limited understanding; it was a reasonable thing to do. However, as we have gained experience and knowledge, and even enhanced our senses with technology, we understand this best guess was simply that, a guess which was wrong.

[@ingenuity168]

If God has to put things right, then it is not an all knowing God. It is a flawed entity.

[@credterfe]

Salvation is when you've found the ultimate purpose of life : to serve God and humanity (the First and Second Commandment). The sinful alienated state is when you roam aimlessly. The worst state is the Satanic state : you keep resisting and condemning God, and persecuting those born in His likeness.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Christ forgiveness of sin repents human rule and leadership (including self) to follow God divine rule and leadership of the Spirit?

[@curiouscarpenter3152]

Vicarious redemption through human sacrifice is immoral

[@ingenuity168]

Believing there is a God is an inborn psychological flaw.

[@bobs182]

Believing in god is related to the most important survival trait of humans which is cooperation which involves submission to the tribe and the tribal identity.

[@ingenuity168]

@@bobs182 Which resulted in multitudes of prosecutions by others and torture and murder by the church itself of unbelievers. Believe in God is a result of fear of hell and fear of ostracism by the group.

[@bobs182]

@@ingenuity168 Obviously, evolution results in messy instincts, With better living standards due to the industrial revolution people are controlled more by propaganda and less by fear of punishment and force. Manipulation which includes using people's fears has become a science. The more things change the more they stay the same as we still have our primitive instincts which easily override reason. I agree with everything you have stated but am simply looking at religion in a broader sense and more functional sense. About 95% of people believe in some sort of spirits(minds without a brain) due to the social structure for human interaction of our brains/minds.

[@ingenuity168]

@@bobs182 Our brains/mind ds/consciousness, whatever it is is causing us to imagine things which might not even exist.

[@bobs182]

@@ingenuity168 Yes, we are far less intelligent that most people realize. Instinct easily overrides logic/reason.

[@vladimir0700]

“Clever arguments?” Surely you jest

[@godistruth703]

*Robert Robert Robert you have been at it for over 5 years and still dancing around the only possible answer?* *Robert I have watched some of your well made videos.* *Such as?* *"Why is there something rather than nothing"?* *You take this long convoluted twisted path to so-called experts that you know before-hand do not know the answer!* *In fact they never answer your question all they do is mirror their beliefs into you and you always leave unsatisfied.* *There is only one answer to the most primordial of all questions and it will answer all your other questions as well.* *The reason we exist or for that matter anything exists is because you cannot regress forever.* *You must reach a start point from which everything began* *I will ease you into the answer* *There must be something that has no prior cause an Uncaused Cause.* *Robert now be brave and say it out loud.* *"Almighty God"* *Now you can go home and relax Alan McDougall 81 years of age* *"Almighty God"* *Was that so hard to say Robert?*

[@empyrean9712]

Bro I couldn’t agree with you more it’s so frustrating how these guys obfuscate clear evidence of creation and come to the conclusion of undirected spontaneous entropy. Goes how far people will go to not acknowledge; forget a theistic God a creator period.

[@machida5114]

量子力学の多世界解釈は、"consolation"になります。

[@dennyworthington6641]

How far back in the earth's evolutionary history does salvation extend? Can H. sapiens who lived before Christ walked the earth be saved? What about Neanderthals? What about H. erectus? What about chimpanzees? Did any of these creatures even know about sin and forgiveness? These so-called theologians are in fact embarrassing. The idea of "sin" is nothing more than a human construct.

[@franciskisitu3318]

I marvel at the questions he poses but as a bible reader i find all the answering lacking, no wonder he ends all videos just drawing closer to truth.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Perhaps these people are complicating the simple matter that we are born rotten and therefore must be born again ✅

[@robgau2501]

Ok. So why did got create broken people? The whole thing is ridiculous.

[@bobs182]

Salvation is simply submission to the group and the group identity.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Jesus' divine nature having removed the sinful nature from humanity, the human person lives by the divine nature with the guidance of the Holy Spirit; and since the divine nature is eternal / infinite, after death the human person continues to live in the divine nature. Salvation is life by the divine nature without sin through Jesus with help from the Holy Spirit.

[@ernestmac13]

There was no sacrifice, God made manifest sacrificed himself to himself; and though he had a bad few days, he was resurected thus no sacrifice. It's like you giving someone money and claiming you sacrificed, and then the person gives you the money back in a few days. It never really was a sacrifice.

[@empyrean9712]

@@ernestmac13 Thats precisely the point you either accept the sacrifice or not. It’s why you’re endowed with free-will. It’s like a birthday invitation if you don’t confirm your attendance don’t expect an available seat. Same goes for God if you don’t accept his word don’t expect to enter the kingdom of heaven.

[@metacarpitan]

You shouldn't have gone to protestant theologians for this series, catholic theology would have answers to these questions. I grew up catholic but I dont follow the religion and even with my 3rd grade religion classes I know that the reason for the inate sin in humanity is due to the fall from the garden of eden. After the fall,humans had the ability to make choices and could choose right from wrong, many times choosing wrong thus leading to sin. The crucification of Jesus is meant to save humanity from sin because Christianity comes from Judaism and in those times Jews sacrificed animals for forgiveness of sin. That's why Jesus is called lamb of god because they used to sacrifice lambs in the temple.

[@johnedelmann6711]

I know, right. Anyone who is a Christian should be able give that answer straight away.

[@AtheistCook]

When someone tells you that you are "Sinner" or that you are bad person without their god, Just ask yourself who is benefiting economically or politically from your conversion? The concept of Sin is the most vile but effective form of mental control. Your success in life should be in your "Self realization" and designing the lifestyle that YOU dreamed of

[@jakobtarkus5495]

You are certainly right when you say that the idea of Sin has unfortunately been misused in this way a lot. But I think the concept of sin as it comes across in parts of the video is much too narrow. The concept of sin in Christianity (especially Eastern Christianity, which in this respect is certainly closer to the original) must be seen in connection with the concept of the overall fallen (or broken) state of the world. Everyone who has observed or experienced the effects of suffering in the world will intuitively realise what is meant by this. "Sin" is simply that aspect of the overall fall which pertains to our own imperfect relationship to the world, to fellow humans and to ourself. (And no, no individualist agenda of self-realisation, or "success in life" will help you escape from eventually facing this situation.) What first sounds like a deeply pessimistic view, however, can indeed be a source of hope: what is fallen or broken can also rise or be mended again, and the Christian world view implies the conviction that this mending is indeed possible. In this respect, the concept of sin has in fact very positive implications.

[@AtheistCook]

@@jakobtarkus5495 I think you are referring at the "Human condition", We do not have to call it "Sin" and give it a supernatural connotation. We have come a long way improving the human condition since prehistoric times.

[@your_average_joe5781]

I'll keep it simple for you. We are born rotten so therefore we need to be born again ✅

[@adrianomariano5072]

Pls watch Gulizak The Ark

[@86645ut]

Philosophy and Theology: questions without answers. Science: answers to testable questions. The difference is stark.

[@bobs182]

Philosophy asks and examines important questions including philosophy of science. Science describes the world. Mythology/theology is a story.

[@86645ut]

@@bobs182 , yes, but philosophy does not make justifiable statements on objective reality, that is science's job.

[@purplepick5388]

Nothing ever empirical, always nothing but a jumble of words about a three thousand year old dogma.

[@ameremortal]

Amazing. Except for the Christ stuff. Amazing.

[@Anna-jg5br]

We have evolved from primitive beginnings but can still act as a primitive animal in the way we treat each other. We have only to look at the exploitation, war and destruction which is part of our world. I don’t think that God the Father demanded the death of his Son to pay for our sin. I think the Son was incarnated to give us an example of how to live in love, for which Jesus was prepared to die. The resurrection was the Father giving His seal of approval and showing us that, paradoxically, what appeared to be death and failure was in fact Jesus’ glory and an example of how to live. “If I am lifted up I will draw all men to me” John 12:32

[@empyrean9712]

JOHN 8:21-24 21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sins. Where I am going you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews said, “Since He says, ‘Where I am going you cannot come,’ will He kill Himself?” 23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” Why is it that they “cannot” (John 8:21) go there as well? God is in heaven. Because God is holy, heaven is a holy place, and a holy place cannot contain sin. So the only sinners who can enter heaven are those whose sins have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus when He paid the death penalty due for their sins.

[@viaini.niaivi]

human cannot defeat SATAN+EVIL/SIN+DEATH/HELL by themselves. Only GOD OF TRUTH+LOVE/LIGHT+LIFE/HOLINESS can destroy evil power & take over the ownership of human's souls. that's why human cannot save themselves by good deed etc. as long as their Mind/Soul+Heart/Spirit+Body be slaved blinded & owned by Satan, they keep reject True God Creator+Saviour+Redeemer. 🙏

[@viaini.niaivi]

LOGIC: heaven is palace for God/Lord alone & it's not necessary to give it to human/servant. human has lost their place/earth to satan, & become sinners/slaved. the only place for slaves are hell, follow their Evil MasterMind! HELL REVEAL YOU = sinner liar hater murder evil rebellious boastful etc, slaved by satan. if you're real human in the image of God, you will always understand/know God's Thought & never against/attack God. it's impossible! HEAVEN = Project of Jesus, Place for Son of God. every soul will reborn & live like a baby, innocent & forever young, renewed everyday, never die. live in peaceful mind with God. HELL = the only natural place for all sinners, keep continue dying, zombie process, get worse everyday, because Jesus/God wasn't there to give any bless. all curse have been thrown to hell, tied up to satan there. 😰 .. HELL=NATURAL CONSEQUENCE/PROCESS, ALL SINNERS ARE EATEN BY EVIL/DEATH & BECOME FULLY SINNER OR PERFECT IN SIN. because of SIN, human getting older uglier unhealthier & finally DIE. Hell is the place for CONTINUE DYING worse & worse naturally, without mercy/help, because they've rejected GOD YHWH THE CREATOR & SAVIOUR WHO CAN RECREATE/RENEW HUMAN BY HIS HOLY BLOOD & SPIRIT IN JESUS THE KING/MASTER OF ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN. 🙏

[@garychartrand7378]

​@@viaini.niaivieverything that you state goes directly against the job description that God gave me ( Jan. 2008) which says " I am sending you out by the power of My Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to show Love to ALL men.". Don't be too hard on yourself. MOST people (including religious leaders) have the wrong idea about almost everything. God would like MOST people to hear Him/Her/It say "You have meall wrong." I am just an ordinary human being, who makes his fair share of mistakes (sin), and has been having daily interactions with God since 22 December 2007 and, in all this time, God has shown me nothing but Love and Humor. Never mind any possible Bull you may get from the bible or any so called authority (including me). In many cases that would be just taking on the sins( mistakes) of the father. Instead, develop a personal relationship with God directly that does not include ANY middleman. God has protected the information on how this can be done in the bible - " with ALL of your heart, mind, soul and strength. Then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Bless you 🙏❤️.

[@lindal.7242]

Salvation makes no sense to me. I see Jesus as Love personified. He was an embodiment of God's love for us and His mission was to teach us about God's love and how we should seek God within in us and love one another the way God loves us and He was crucified for it. That was the sacrifice, not for salvation but to risk his life in order to speak the truth for our benefit.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Nope. We are born rotten and therefore must be born again. Don't complicate it ✅

[@syedahmed5295]

Go to al Koran you will find what you are looking for no man can give you answers

[@8slkmic]

I can do all the "good" and "love" stuff WITHOUT God, so whats the difference?

[@8slkmic]

I disagree with this idea of "sin". We just do things, and the things we do, we ourselves determine what is right or wrong.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Way off 😅

[@eltiarribero]

Robert doesn't look that impressed with all that nonsense. 😉 😜 😜 😜 😜

[@b.g.5869]

He just wanted to visit Scotland.

[@walking64]

Hi Robert, there is no concept of salvation through any prophet or a saint in Islam. The humans are accountable to their own actions in hereafter (judgement day). Muslims believe in all prophets and the last prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, but there is direct salvation of an individual , not through any prophet. According to Islam, all human beings are born sin-free , pure. They get conditioned by the environment , they may abuse their free will and commit sin/crime in their lifetime. They will be granted numerous chances to compensate, repent, and ask forgiveness or they continue to commit crimes and corruptions and die without any repentance. according to Islam, there is judgement day and they will be accountable to their actions (sins/crimes and corruptions) and it will be upon God who will either set them free or announce punishment. There are no concept of atonement in Islam either. Prophets /Human beings are not supposed to bear the consequences of other's actions , as per Islam.

[@your_average_joe5781]

We are born rotten and therefore must be born again ✅

[@roybecker492]

Salvation, these days, happens by a christian priest in an altar boys mouth.

[@ernestmac13]

Not just priests but nuns, rabies, munks, etc, and other staff at religious institutions.

[@cvsree]

Sin is an intimidating word for our naive behavior. We just need to understand how to control our emotions. Yoga is very effective in that... Yoga says: Your true SELF is God. You just have to drop your chronic thinking - literally. Consciousness is God. Every living being is a reflection of God in an imperfect mirror Read "be as you are" by David Goodman

[@yanassi]

sreekanth chintala. No, i am me, not god. Such vanity is overwhelming and aloof. A tree is a tree, a bird is a bird, i am me. That’s reality and it’s natural, why exercise convoluted thoughts to get to simple truths.

[@xspotbox4400]

It's easy to earn salvation, just do what Jesus did and everything will be fine.

[@your_average_joe5781]

Wrong ! Nobody earns salvation. It's not about you, it's about what He has done ✅

[@lewsheen7514]

I couldn't watch anymore after about 2/3rds of this video. No one addressed the two most important questions: 1) Where's the PROOF of a god? And... 2) Why would an all-powerful, all-loving god create beings (humanity) that aren't exactly in accordance with "his" wishes? Why these concepts of "sin," "sacrifice," and "redemption?" Couldn't god have avoided all this suffering by his creations in the first place? Occam's Razor...

[@BuddyLee23]

He’s got other episodes to address those questions in-depth.

[@georgeleger4095]

If you wish a simplified way to look at it is: if there is a god, he could have created a being that did only his will. That is true. Much like our ability to create machines and robots to do what we wish. However he chose to create a being with consciousness and free will, with an ability to freely discern to do as god wishes or not to do as he wishes. In other words he made humans with the ability chose to live a good life without doing physical, social or phycological harm to others or to themselves, or in contrast, to live a life of debauchery with all manner of societal misdeeds possible. Or a mixture of both. He left it up to us to chose.

[@empyrean9712]

If you accept the traditional notion of a God then he is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Meaning he is absolute and sovereign in thoughts and deeds. It’s why humans have free will and can make decisions. Are decision was to disobey God and so we face the consequences but God offered his son as a living sacrifice. The Gospel is that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived the life we should have lived and died the death we should have died.

[@macoacero]

I really don't understand the spirit of this channel. What does all this have to do with science? I'm disappointed that next to really interesting scientific and philosophical topics you put this nonsense about Christian God. And why Christian God? there are so many Gods and religions much more interesting. Lost all seriousness and credibility for me.

[@ingenuity168]

Jesus was crucified because he knew he can't escape and if he attempted to escape, he'll be called a coward. So better to be crucified and be called a saviour than to run and be called a coward.

[@your_average_joe5781]

You don't think He could have returned to his father immediately?? He was sent with a mission.

[@JamesWilson-ek7ko]

This is the most cringey episode I’ve watched. The previous was pretty bad, but this is worse. There’s something horrid about all this contradictory and logically leaky interpretative made up stuff. I find it, well, as I said, horrid.

[@adriancatalin1229]

Salvation ? BS.

[@Wednesday51]

What a load of bollocks.

[@marphilalberto8931]

Great insight mr clever

[@HumblyQuestioning]

The views of your interlocutors are not mainstream American Christianity. Go interview some evangelical pastors or scholars and you'll get a different, less…reasonable…story. For example, explore Calvinism, which is what a large number (30%?) of American Christians affirm. I think all the stories fall apart rather quickly and it's not simple pluralism. Certain denominations truly believe that Catholics, Anglicans, etc are all going to hell!

[@LibsRockU]

I am a gay person with 2 fundamentalist XXXian siblings who have been just fine destroying my life for decades now...."SALVATION" Dr. Kuhn??? I dearly trust that this idea will be entirely metaphorical, which power-abusing fundamentalists have ZERO interest in. (I'll be excessively honest & admit that I'm not going to watch this episode. Why do I feel that I know what it will be saying?)

[@karnakknowsall]

Any destruction of your life is from yourself. Your siblings are simply a convenient blame target. If gouhadno siblings, you would be just as miserable as you arenow, just blaming someone else.

[@LibsRockU]

@@karnakknowsall Well that's a brilliant lack of awareness & lack of questions. Obscene fundy XXXians would be very, very proud. Good job.

[@empyrean9712]

@@LibsRockU have you ever considered that the devastation in the world is a cause of man’s sinful nature? Lying, stealing, vengeance, wrath, anger all stems from the heart. I imagine sin to be like lung cancer we can’t see the scarred tissue until it’s too late. I do apologize if your sisters turned you off to scripture but don’t let even your loved ones distract you from truth. However, your sisters seem to be genuinely concerned about the destination of your soul after this life and it’s never something to be brushed off lightly.

[@LibsRockU]

@@empyrean9712 That is pathetic. Shame on you. And how dare you?

[@empyrean9712]

@@LibsRockU I wasn’t trying to come across as disrespectful or degrading just a legitimate question?

[@ernestmac13]

Christians used to believe in a static existance, until science abandoned this notion. God suposidly created the universe and humanity, and due to knowing everything, could have made us without sin. The idea of punishing future generations for the sins of Adam and Eve, just as is claimed about the future generations of many who God punished in the Bible. The surrender the woman spoke of, is the same letting.go.of self derived, morality, logic and reason, etc, that cults brainwash followers into. The religious view isn't reasonable, the concept.of sin is madness.

[@empyrean9712]

In Christian tradition God created man sinless and blameless it was our free will as free agents that sin entered the world. It’s why this world is purgatory and heaven is with God and hell is without him.

[@your_average_joe5781]

We are born rotten and therefore must be born again. Don't complicate it ✅

[@BillonBass]

Elinor has a horrible view of humans. It’s one of the many reasons I can’t take Christianity seriously. I don’t accept we are all broken. We are works in progress. Buddhism makes a lot more sense in this regards.

[@WillyIlluminatoz]

Even Buddhism teach you that all creatures suffer from ignorance, lust, and pride (moha, dosa, and lobha), so you need to work out your own liberation through a series of Buddhist practice. No one saves you from your own karmic suffering.

[@empyrean9712]

@@WillyIlluminatoz Buddhism and Sikhism came out of Hinduism which is a “way of life” rather than a religion. Also the reason it’s one of the oldest spiritual traditions turned religion on earth. Human asceticism is just that “human” and we understand humans to be fallible creatures regardless of advanced teachings, study, practice, Knowledge. All human misgivings come out of the heart and that’s something we can never internally transform without the deliverance of a sovereign incorporeal God.

[@yanassi]

Illogical, or the usual bending of the story to fit it’s illogical nature. Salvation is the saving of one’s soul so they could enter the kingdom of heaven, would that be the same person who has been going to church for years? One would think, as a church goer they wouldn’t need saving, as would already be fine. Personally, one, i think The kingdom heaven is a made up word meant to manipulate a less learnt people. Two, the only salvation i believe is needed is the forgoing of logical sense by each religious practitioner, as each surely is allowing a historical comic book rule their lives. They should ask god to forgive their misuse of intelligence.

[@empyrean9712]

I highly suggest you research and study the doctrine of soteriology. Salvation in the Christian tradition is understood that we are fallible beings in this realm of purgatory and unless we accept God’s life preserver ring we’re all deserving of damnation. Hell is a choice we make based on our free will.

[@yanassi]

@@empyrean9712 I did, I found it similar to marveliology. Super heroes.

[@empyrean9712]

@@yanassi lol it’s definitely an interesting concept. I will say this only one of the three things can be true: soul doesn’t exist, soul reincarnates, or split between heaven and hell. Annihilationism was fascinating but it seems to be heresy to the ontology of the soul.

[@yanassi]

@@empyrean9712 that was thoughtful. Except one aspect. What if you didn’t have a soul? What if you are the soul and as a soul you have a body (the one you see in the mirror everyday)

[@yanassi]

Having a body benefits you in two aspects, one to survive here on earth, two, to engage in living, growing and experiencing life with many memories. Death is only the shedding of one’s body, and “you” simply continue in the next phase of life, complete as yourself, albeit without the biological aspect.

[@curiouscarpenter3152]

Utterly useless

[@empyrean9712]

I think everything is up for discussion whether we like it or not especially on the nature and destination of the soul.

[@curiouscarpenter3152]

@@empyrean9712 Your fear of death deludes you my friend.

[@empyrean9712]

@@curiouscarpenter3152 There’s a difference between fear and genuine skepticism especially on the nature of eternity. Remember first law of thermodynamics energy can never be created nor destroyed just comes in different forms. Well what’s so unfathomable about this law applying in the metaphysical realm? You should also study Kalam’s cosmological argument, infinite regress fallacy, Thomas Aquinas uncaused caused.

[@curiouscarpenter3152]

@@empyrean9712 It is pure narcissism. Your superiority must be orgasmic🙄