SAM HARRIS CRUCIFIES JORDAN PETERSON???

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[@Pangburn]

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[@Stupidityindex]

2000 Years & the Jews are not buying Jesus because they know he is fake. Jesus Christ must be more vile by thrice. Galatians 13:3 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us." Luke 11:29-36 "As the crowds increased", Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. Jonah 1:15-17 KJV So they took up Jonah (he offered to help) and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice (perhaps his family & friends, or a goat, who's to know?) unto the LORD, and made vows. It is by faith in God we have Jonah.

[@randykrus9562]

Peterson's world salad thinking stands no chance against Sam Harris's Kung Fu grip.

[@the-ambivalent-orthographer]

..yehhh, world salad! 👍🏻

[@endpc5166]

Got to feel a little sorry for anyone who debates Sam Harris.

[@lefthandofthedevil4372]

Neither did the dead children in his basement

[@frankstallone3864]

None of this was 'word salad', that's an empty dismissal.

[@alfresco8442]

Did he mention 'metaphysical substrate' again? 😆

[@rodneygarton2849]

Sam Harris is to polite . Imagine Christopher Hitchens it'd be like Sonny Liston fighting a 13 year old flyweight.

[@MKM508]

Hitchens would decimate Peterson in no time.

[@JohnM-sw4sc]

That’s what makes Harris more convincing to the theist. You’ll gain no ground by just insulting them

[@UnoHoo1]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@miquelr2353]

I miss him

[@johnandersson8258]

"We shouldn't be hostage to these ancient memes. We shouldn't have to figure out how to make the best of the worst idea anyone's ever had, which is maybe you should sacrifice your firstborn child to a being you've never seen." Spot on.

[@milesmungo]

And yet we have more child sacrifice now then we ever did. It seems to me the Judeo-Christian story brings an end to child sacrifice.

[@milesmungo]

@@L-Del Yes, I am indeed referring to abortions. Not sure where you got that definition from, but if your final paragraph is correct fetuses would be alive by definition. Fetuses can indeed feel, and can recognize voices from in the womb. That it would constitute as experience. If you mean experiences we can remember that would apply all the way up to 2 years. Perhaps you mean only first trimester abortions?

[@milesmungo]

@@L-Del Yeah, I've noticed that on other KZbin videos as well... I'll look into that though "suggests" is pretty iffy for me when it comes to killing. If unsure err on the side of 'not murder'.

[@milesmungo]

@@L-Del I guess because there's no concencus, we don't all agree where life begins. You can say birth, but birth can be at 22 weeks or beyond 36. That means life is determined by location? Is a cesarian section birth? We do generally support the obligation of Parenthood via child support laws and child negligence laws. We all do unpaid labor, all the time, every day of our lives. To define that as slavery would makes us all slaves. Would abortion be considered murder if we discover that fetuses can feel pain? Is that the determining factor? Are fetuses dead in the womb or is there another term between dead and alive that you would use?

[@skunkjobb]

@@milesmungo Even if you consider abortion murder, it is not child sacrifice. Child sacrifice has a specific ritual meaning which is not in any way related to abortions. And when you say more than ever, are you talking about the US, world wide or what? The number of abortions today in the US is only about half of what it was in the 80s and 90s. Globally, it's not as big of a decline but a slight one so you're wrong anyway (if you weren't talking about some other restricted geographical region).

[@bskeptical2481]

I can see Jordan talking himself in to sacrificing his child... to an all meat diet.

[@Dan16673]

Lol

[@donaldbush1182]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@LordGodKing]

Yeah he should go vegan instead, so much healthier!

[@terrywright9765]

Jordan brought a penknife to Sam's machine gun fight.

[@raywalsh9152]

Jordan brought a penknife that was a metaphorical substrate of the masculine idiom, meaning his penis, to a fight, which may be construed as a battle of sorts, but is probably just going to be an exchange of ideas, and Sam was armed with ... intelligence. Not a bunch of pseudo-intellectual bullshit that makes the freshman coeds misty.

[@StevenMarx-vg6nb]

Was waiting for the "metaphorical substrate".

[@davidtkocz8356]

😅

[@chrisgamble4939]

Don't forget that there are hierarchies in "metaphorical substrates" too

[@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt]

Good one, what about a word salad duel between Peterson and Chopra,truely an optimistic digital time phase with quantum consciousness imbedded in a transitional reciprocal universe?

[@djimiwreybigsby5263]

​@@TREVORALLEN-tl4yt With syntactic teleology

[@raywalsh9152]

Thank you@@TREVORALLEN-tl4ytthat made me dizzy for a minute!

[@robertgray323]

Just let Peterson talk In every argument he will use 1k words to end up punching himself in the intellect

[@srihariradhakrishnan1544]

😂

[@eam1771]

Peterson has become a caricature of himself.

[@stefanbrill4165]

Was he ever not an intellectual fraud?

[@HiredGeek]

Always was a clown.

[@DayLateGamerWill]

I think when Peterson first "got known" he was all-right, not great, but he spoke about

[@HiredGeek]

@@DayLateGamerWill he made his name lying about being threatened with jail over pronouns. His self help books have plenty of generic pablum, but he was always a reactionary snowflake crybaby.

[@Kaylbee]

Weinstein, too.

[@ZeeAmy]

More from the GOAT Sam Harris.

[@briansimerl4014]

Greatest guy who doesn't offer any solutions. Same with Eric Weinstein.

[@srihariradhakrishnan1544]

@@briansimerl4014hm, I’d try his meditation app, it’s a real solution, actually

[@Glasstable2011]

@@briansimerl4014I think ‘not believing religious stories are actually true’ is a partial solution to many of the world’s problems

[@briansimerl4014]

@@Glasstable2011 maybe a solution to Sam's problems. But the world doesn't care about Sam's problems quite clearly.

[@Glasstable2011]

@@briansimerl4014 I agree with him on many issues. Terrorism. War. Inequality. Tribalism. Sam feels that all three would decrease without religion and I feel the same.

[@michaeldiogenesbest6127]

The most dangerous thing about Hypocrites is they don't realize they are.....

[@mickj9203]

Sam Harris?

[@craigbradford4850]

If you’ll notice in most of these conversations the moderators always seem to do a lot of heavy lifting for Peterson.

[@mindtraveller100]

Yes. Because he really needs all the help he can have...

[@JohnSmith-fz1ih]

I find Harris does too. Peterson uses 100 words to describe something incredibly vague and unclear, then consistently Harris concisely sums it up in five words. And then it becomes apparent how vapid or outright wrong what Peterson said was.

[@brnfrmjts05]

Is it any wonder why he doesn't talk to anybody outside of his echo chamber anymore? 😂

[@deceptionary]

Look at the comments and you'll see who's in the echo chamber

[@amillionworms]

​@@deceptionaryTriggered, hunny?

[@deceptionary]

@@amillionworms I don't use that word it's gay

[@heikki2057]

He just recently conversed with Harris in their podcasts. I don't even know what in this clip makes you post this comment.

[@LordGodKing]

The Sam Harris cirklejerk comments on this video shows they aren't any better than the worst JP fans. They are exactly the same.

[@prisonersforprofit]

peterson is a psuedo-intellectual, arguing mythology as science is just pathetic.

[@davidtkocz8356]

So would you be if you were married to Mrs Piggy!

[@JohnM-sw4sc]

Is he arguing it as a science ?

[@prisonersforprofit]

@@JohnM-sw4sc what would you call his mindless drivel?

[@JohnM-sw4sc]

@@prisonersforprofit it seemed non-scientific to me

[@UnoHoo1]

Sam Harris thinks he IS God. He is insufferable- full stop.

[@ibanmayo2]

"Correct me if I'm wrong." Where do we start Jordy?

[@davidmarquart3912]

One final sacrifice…. Why did the creator and master of the universe NEED ANYONE SACRIFICED in order to forgive.

[@MKM508]

Because he likes blood, pain and death inflicted on humans?

[@gamejedi]

The Bible isn't meant to be taken literally.

[@PeterSahlins]

@@gamejedi The Bible isn't meant to be taken seriously.

[@gamejedi]

@@PeterSahlins As a work of nonfiction, no. As a fictional book of fables, not sure I agree.

[@MKM508]

@@gamejediTry to convince a multitude of followers.

[@emiliog.4432]

I saw the video title and couldn’t resist.

[@daves2955]

Best. Thumbnail. Ever.

[@michaellacross5266]

For the life of me, I just don't understand how Jordan Peterson was able to capture such a wide audience with nothing more than vague, and eventually, meaningless palaver. I'm guessing that he took a "political" stand that a segment of the population bought hook line and sinker, and tried to parlay that audience into thinking he was actually saying something. Jordan Peterson should be a reminder on just how easily people can be duped.

[@JimmyNuisance]

He is a reminder, he just reminds the wrong people.. Those who already know that people are easily duped...

[@justhere4thecomm3nt54]

Can we take a second to acknowledge the fact that most of the arguments Jordan can come up with in favour of religion is that it’s useful - the implication being that we should believe things that aren’t true just because they’re useful

[@jrd33]

Peterson is a philosophical Pragmatist. He believes that what is useful is true, but not necessarily true in a scientific sense because there is a hierarchy of "truths". Well there's a lot more to it than that but it would take more than a couple of lines in a youtube comment to explain.

[@Zacharysmith-xr1xq]

​@@jrd33are there any truths other than scientific truths? I.e logical absolutes. A chair in a room exists independently from observation, a rock is a rock independent from human conceptualizations etc. I'm not entirely sure I understand how a useful falsity becomes truthful, I can't even imagine a situation where thats possible.

[@steelcom5976]

That's what Jordan is saying no question: It's the pragmatic, utilitarian side of Christianity, just in case too many accept the extensive series of God-directed atrocities.

[@zeljkoljiljak7256]

that is Sams view about covid lockdowns and all bs we have listen to during pandemic

[@ricopo3522]

@@jrd33 which has nothing at all in common with Christianity as it is practiced with a good percentage of christians, including priests and pastors that will tell you the Bible is the literal truth, the perfect, unerring, unquestionable final word of God.

[@cherryfroggo]

Poor Jordan. Cancelled for our sins 😂

[@ArchlordZer0]

I would cry, but he does it for me.

[@cherryfroggo]

@@ArchlordZer0 He should compete in a crying contest

[@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd]

one of the things I like about harris is he can be pretty funny at times⚛😀

[@mikelarocque8013]

On behalf of all Alberta residents. I apologize for Jordan Peterson .

[@iherok]

LOL

[@UnoHoo1]

Peterson hardly needs your apology.

[@vb2806]

​@@UnoHoo1he isn't apologising to Peterson

[@karcinoma]

You don't represent the losers of Alberta who would think that Jordan Peterson is a thing that should be apologized for. This is merely your arrogance showing.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

It was the story of Abraham's readiness to sacrifice his son that first convinced me as a child that the God of Abraham was Evil, and that the Bible was not to be followed.

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

“It’s like, it’s like, it’s like”

[@GrumpyOldChap]

I doubt I'm the only one who's noticed the switch in the tone with which Pangburn titles its videos. Particularly, I sense that they wish to, understandably but in a juvenile manner, distance themselves from Jordan Peterson. Don't get me wrong, I'm no (longer) fan of Peterson, but the clickbait titles seem cringe-worthy..

[@MrDoctorproctor]

Totally agree. I suppose “Two very intelligent people have a conversation” isn’t as enticing, although it would be for me. I’ve started clicking not interested in anything that has “owned or destroyed in the title

[@johnty80-wj3ek]

more word salad garbage from the erstwhile intellectual Peterson

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

Sam's inability to become irritated in any way is easily his greatest strength. He stays on point and never lets his opponent's forget when they've missed their's.

[@gracefulsledge2857]

Peterson is the Costco of BS.

[@kratomseeker5258]

definitely

[@donaldbush1182]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidroberts6549]

It is impressive though, how he can throw a pre-learned set of buzz phrases, bons mots, like a sort of human "auto-spell" into a sentence ( and I use that word advisedly) at the drop of a hat, without having the faintest idea what he's actually said.

[@suju4this]

A wise person is able to "boil" any subject down to some few words that can be understood by anyone... Mr.Peterson seems to be totally unable to do that

[@mroctober3657]

Peterson uses words to obfuscate instead of to illuminate. That's how we know he's a charlatan.

[@1ron0xide]

Bible-thumpers will sacrifice anything EXCEPT the Bible.

[@suedunham1087]

Kind of interesting, might have something there

[@sly1465]

You can take Jordan out of Grande Prairie.....but you can't take Grande Prairie out of the boy.

[@punygreenman5956]

Man these thumbnails are crazy lol u a madman Pangburn hahaha

[@Pangburn]

Lol

[@hope1416]

This video's thumbnail is inappropriate. Respect your debate participants.

[@attosharc]

As a civilization, I can only hope, that there are far more Sams than Jordans in the world, or we will be doomed by our own ignorance.

[@jakobfromthefence]

Funny how P. Sets up a whole castle in the sky for his premises and then ends up adding postulates to infinity just to keep the thing from leaking. And H. Just pokes at it.

[@pointbreak8646]

It gets worse for the religious everyday. How do billions of people believe in something they have never seen, met, had a response from and it determines their lives? People really are baffling

[@JimmyNuisance]

People are submissive and pathetic and they know it, bowing their heads to gods and nonsense is natural for some. They want to make simplistic order out of complex chaos, and religion offers that. They want a sense of purpose in their meaningless lives, religion offers that. They want to learn the difference between good and bad without using empathy or judgement, and religion offers a set of rules that tells them who to love and who to hate, then gives justifications for why that hatred is OK and they give them an out for all the evil deeds they do: Prayer. It's a pretty sweet deal. Do all the evil you want as long as you get a "sorry for my sins, god!" on your way out. It's a perfect system for people who want to take no responsibility for their actions. It's a perfect system for pathetic submissive filth.

[@goaty1964]

"Christianity - bad ideas that are untrue, but I see as useful for cultural control" - Peterson's approach in a nutshell - he just can't bring himself to say it..

[@jrd33]

Even if you leave out "god", Christianity is an extremely successful meme which has evolved over thousands of years and outcompeted most of its rival religions.. It's no coincidence that most of the most advanced countries in the world are Christian.

[@oscargr_]

​@@jrd33Only if you narrow your FOV to the last 2000 years and ignore the rest of human history and very likely the future.

[@jrd33]

@@oscargr_ The past may be a poor guide to the future but it's the only one we have. And human nature doesn't seem to have changed all that much over the last 2000 years.

[@oscargr_]

@@jrd33 Not sure I agree that the past is the only guide we have for the future. (We wouldn't be able to develop new things if it was) The point I was making is not to just look at the part of history that suits you.

[@chrisose]

What seems strange to me is that God supposedly waited at least 4000 years before deciding to save mankind from the penalty of the sin that he set up Adam & Eve to commit. Why not solve the issue right then and there? Why not hit the reset button and start all over correcting the mistakes he made the first time? There is nothing about the Abrahamic fables that makes any sense except as a means to control those who are too intellectually lazy to think for themselves.

[@honestlifter]

There is an answer for this when you understand why Adam and Eve sinned. It was a challenge from Satan - that man can be happier away from God. If you destroy everyone and restart, you leave that question hanging out there. By waiting this long, you have no doubt that man cannot rule itself and is not happy either.

[@chrisose]

@@honestlifter Thanks for proving the lengths that people will go to justify the ignorance of their holy writ.

[@xaviervanhouten3047]

@@honestlifterIt funny how Christians are so ignorant of other religions that they choose to believe in one of the last gods to be invented and totally discard the possibility of all the other gods/goddesses that humans have made. For example, you probably don’t believe in Anu though that imaginary deity was worshipped.

[@vb2806]

​@@honestlifteryou know there is an easier solution. Don't create people who will be tempted. Create perfect beings who cannot be corrupted

[@nektu5435]

That's one helluva thumbnail... 😂

[@roberta949]

Ever since Jordan came out of his massive addiction to Klonopin he has been on this Christian religion kick. This happens to many weaker people. They have to basically go from one form of intoxication to another. Before that, Peterson was rock solid on the fact "It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong.
" Next he will be rationalizing about going to war for military contractor and Israeli interests... for God

[@biscuit_6499]

It's crazy how everyone's commenting on an 8 minute clip from a debate with multiple hours long parts, as if this is 8 minutes the antithesis to Jordan Petersons idea of Christianity.

[@BarrySometimes]

In time Jordan will be most criticised by theists. Atheism, for instance, takes no issue with the utility of fiction. At bottom, Jordan’s arguments oppose theism & support atheism. He is, in a way, doing atheists a favour (& he, Jordan, does’t know it).

[@johnhodge4996]

I agree, its pretty funny actually

[@christophergreen6595]

I think his rationales have begun to lead further and further into simply claiming "God" exists so as to keep the praise coming. This was a few years back, no?

[@BarrySometimes]

@@christophergreen6595 The above conversation was a few years back? If so, & If I remember correctly, yeah. Sam first interviewed Jordan in 2017. The four Pangburn conversations were then held a year later, in 2018.

[@jonasdamion1627]

the gun thing isnt superstition its accounting for memory lapse and ignorance about how guns work/if theres a bullet lodged in some way- and you could overlook that or make a mistake so and a fatal one so its bet to just shorthand assume every gun is loaded. not superstition

[@rotabom]

Which is a great point in support of a moral framework based on religion..... As unbridled liberalism has shown us...depart from religious values and America shits itself

[@Glasstable2011]

@@rotaboma moral framework based on what religion specifically? Because they are all different and many of them are mutually exclusive when it comes to moral teachings.

[@rotabom]

@@Glasstable2011 Christian values worked well

[@Glasstable2011]

@@rotabom are the values you are speaking about exclusive to Christianity?

[@rotabom]

@@Glasstable2011 that's a silly question. The point is the better ones are well captured by christianity.

[@macrumpton]

It is baffling to me that Peterson participates in these debates with Sam Harris, because it shows that rhetorical tricks are powerless against actual critical thinking.

[@zombie-xj7gc]

Peterson's intelligence dropped when he started believing in god.

[@alexdayhay]

You’re so so right!!!Thanks!

[@seriousmonkey5654]

Yep.

[@PaddyInf]

I'd suggest that Peterson doesn't believe in God any more now than he ever did. He just knows his audience and is all about brand image now. He knows that espousing Christian beliefs (regardless of how truthful they are) will make him more popular for right-leaning audiences. This generates content views, invites to debates, etc, all of which drive profit.

[@heikki2057]

If you listen to Jordan more you'll find out that he, as far as I can understand, has always believed in god. He thinks that we all believe in god and I agree with him. The things that you think are desirable and which are avoidable are, after all, arbitrarily defined. The good you think you're striving for is the god Jordan refers to.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@heikki2057"He thinks that we all believe in god and I agree with him." What you and Jordan think doesn't really matter. "The good you think you're striving for is the god Jordan refers to." Not striving for any god. Now what? Ever strive for anything in your life that wasn't just to make a god proud? Ever learned anything just for your own sake? Or is everything you do just you boosting your worth in the eyes of god? Most people in the less faith-driven nations in the world spend zero time placating gods. You have an extremely narrow view of human nature, as does Jordan. That's why you push your own ego onto others. Not everyone is like you. Mostly submissive people have the mindset that you have. People with actual strength don't need, nor do they feel he presence of gods. They don't need the approval of spirits, they don't need any level of magic in their lives at all. Thinking that everyone believes in god is WAAAAAY too muslim-like for me. It's pure nonsense. Stop trying to understand others by imposing your own ego onto them. Instead, learn from other people who have zero faith. Maybe you'll snap out of your own delusions at some point. Having no faith and believing in no gods is totally fine and works really well. Empathy derived intuitive morality will always serve a person better than trying to live by the will of gods. It also makes it easier to understand other people without imposing your own ego on them. You have a lot of learning to do if you literally believe that everyone believes in god/strives for god. I learn and do things for my own pleasure. Am I my own god?

[@markrussell4682]

Has Jordan Peterson ever made sn utterance that made sense?

[@jeffsimoneaux5968]

I like both sides points here but it sounds as though Jordan is only explaining why Christianity developed as it did instead of actually defending its validity or truthfulness

[@coop27]

I love these recommendations to watch these great debates, the click bate title obviously seeking for Peterson haters but I'm happy to be here to see two opposing points of view articulated in a respectful debate

[@davegan69]

Jordan Peterson. Why use 3 words when 4,222 will do. Never in recent times(Donald Trump excluded) has someone spoken so many words and said absolutely nothing....

[@frankandstern8803]

Uncommitted Religious sentiment will always fail in its effectiveness towards sustainability of the cultures it represents. Not being able to take that stand (for so many obvious reasons) just can't get it done. Because the amount of appeal required by such a position will always be filtered and limited by a lack of critical thinking surrounding the pontificating. Not everybody wants to think so much about it. Sad but true.

[@Dennycrane757]

Jordan Peterson is Canada’s answer to Deepak Chopra.

[@ricardovargas4546]

Harris is on a level so far above Peterson, Jordy can't even see it.

[@Nomorealcoholplease]

Jordan Peterson sounds very intelligent to 3 year old children 😂

[@fiatlux805]

I mean, Sam agreed to speak with him on stage with an audience so what does that say about him?

[@AlexThyGreek]

​@@fiatlux805That's all you can muster? LOL

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

​@@fiatlux805It says he has a huge following of weak ass men who need to be broke of his word salad spell.

[@jewishgenes]

Ooooo what does Einstein say about that

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

@jewishgenes Considering he's dead, nothing. Are you okay? Did you escape a mental institution?

[@jamesmcinnis208]

As a kid, I loved to put this phenomenon into action. It was always fun to chase my sister around with an obviously cold iron.

[@user-hr8dx9qw4n]

Seems Mr. Peterson sees the Bible rather as a secualr life coach book for this life, than a guidance to the afterlife paradise.

[@richlondonrich]

They do have a habit of killing our saviours

[@1234567marks]

That thumbnail 😂

[@udornyc]

Someone should explain *professor Word Salad* that there is a difference between "self-sacrifice to save others" and "I'll sacrifice YOU (all) for my benefit!"

[@rjlchristie]

Why the question marks in the title?

[@chocopuddingcup83]

To get you to click.

[@briansimerl4014]

Sam's religious argument: "I don't want to be buried in a pet cemetery. I don't want you to live my life again."

[@Pntngbrn]

Why is it that I understand what Sam Harris is saying, but I have no idea what Jordan Peterson is talking about. And Peterson always moves his goal post when pressed.

[@cracksmith]

"CRUCIFIES"? Come on Pangburn, you should be above these clickbait titles....

[@WoahitsWilly]

Like I get you're biased towards Peterson, but how did you miss the joke?

[@grahamsmith9947]

@@WoahitsWilly I'm not a fan of Peterson. I am a fan of Harris. I'm just getting bored of Pangburn's clickbait thumbnails and titles. Even when they are trying to be funny it just feels cheap imo

[@WoahitsWilly]

I chuckled, also, I mean as much as I hate to say it, that's the way to get the views so they can keep putting out content, I hate the game too, but ya gotta play it to make money here on KZbin.

[@dreadpiratesnake6152]

I hate these word games Jordan plays, it's such a farce.

[@ZagrasNixillis]

JP sure says a lot of nothing.

[@epitrix]

The title is so scary. Does it mean JP is coming back???

[@braapyolefart4865]

I’ve tried listening to Peterson a few times and I’ve either yelled, get to a point!! Or I’ve rolled my eyes and ended Kermit the frog 🐸

[@scottdd2]

There is no sacrifice of Jesus, he rose again, therefore no loss, so no sacrifice.

[@Philitron128]

I don't understand why people don't bring this up more often. This is an issue that Christianity cannot respond to.

[@Venaloid]

I can think of a much better extreme illustration of delayed gratification: you slave away at a terrible abusive job your entire life until you die at age 100, and then you get some kind of heavenly reward after all that slave work. That's much more illustrative of delayed gratification. Peterson isn't reasoning from these ideas into a narrative which illustrates them, he's reasoning backwards from his favorite narrative he already has (Christianity).

[@matics358]

This title goes HARD!

[@mirapilates]

Peterson needs to stick to his pop psychology. When he comments on religion hes out of his lane.

[@steelcom5976]

Sam explains beautifully the fallacy of < post hoc ergo procter hoc >. Just as it is a fallacy to conclude that the sun comes up because the rooster crows, it is also a fallacy to conclude that we understand the importance of delayed gratification because children were sacrificed to God

[@johncarter1150]

These guys are play fighting for the crowd!

[@Elzzaw]

Jordan: *Emoting with his body as hard as he can with his words* Sam: *Speaks facts without having to act more than is expected.*

[@andyharris4273]

Good work sam, Jordan’s publishers , will not let him debate you again, along with mat dillahunty

[@adamleckius2253]

lol that title

[@ThatsWhenItkickedin]

Why does Jordan Peterson willingly debate someone who is clearly out of his league?

[@benharris144]

...What happened to this channel?

[@Inuyasha-IY]

some please give the thumbnail guy a raise xD

[@noeditbookreviews]

You know what all this reminds me of? Remember when that #1 boxer and that #1 ufc fighter acted like they hated each other, but really, they were working together to sell their fight? That's what I think about when I see all these videos for Jordan Peterson debatesbwith atheists. I don't know how many times he actually debated each of these guys, but it does make for engaging content, whether you think Peterson is full of shit or a genius. All I will say on that is that he certainly didn't win any of those debates. 😊

[@jacklu1611]

I think Jordan & Sam fans can agree that the thumbnail is hilarious (now just waiting for an image of Sam eating lobster Peterson lol)

[@kratomseeker5258]

now jordy wants to sacrifice kids....

[@darrenbrown7037]

You guys know that conversations like this are always subjective and no one is technically more correct, it’s just two points of view substantiated by the limited view of a human mind, which is very limited indeed. They both are using words to procure a subjective idea, both paths leading to the same place, which is there are things that we should or shouldn’t do, in many but not all circumstances. Neither of them are hitting some sort of universal slam dunk here. God or not god, atheist or religious, it doesn’t matter. Your high horse perspective is just as a limited as the ones you abhor.

[@nickt463]

Let's use that logic. Two people have a debate about whether Harry Potter exists or not. One side believes he's just an idea that was made up. The other side makes the claim that any idea thought up are just events that have happened or will happen in the universe. Both sides are subjective truths, but one is obviously more likely and accepted than the other. The idea of a "God" is a placeholder for a lack of knowledge. Humans will never find the correct answer if we assume we have the answer already.

[@krock8422]

It's telling that Peterson, when asked if a previous exchange if"God" exists, defaults to the word salad bullshit of "It depends on what you mean by "God". Then here he throws around "good life" and "bad life" as if they are hard facts. I suggest that these fellows cred (all 3 of them) as"Public intellectuasl" depends on what you mean by "public intellectual". These clips are interesting but there is structural weakness at their core that seems to invalidate the value of what follows. I'll keep watching though.

[@stevendavis8636]

Yah, best show available. Sure beats the rest of the crap we're swimming in.

[@miquelr2353]

Why would sacrifice guarantee anything? Nothing is..

[@simonarens5890]

People cutting out parts of this debate of parts, which has already been cut from other parts which...^10, is getting a problem.

[@pse2020]

but its not irrational to still check the gun even if u know its not loaded, the reason beeing because u know for a fact that u can remember wrong sometimes.

[@skusami2548]

Whoever is making these thumbnails, you are doing a fictitious god's work

[@jonathenweise6840]

5:24 but after an epoch they have achieved a level of dankness previously thought impossible 👽

[@dopameems]

Biggest con man I've ever seen.

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

Petercon

[@markcostello5120]

JP "Sacrificing what you find valuable now will ensure certain benefits in the future" So why not sacrifice the bad ideas of the past in order to ensure future benefits? Why doesn't JP see this? He spends so much time and energy trying to justify these archaic beliefs he ignores the obvious..

[@johns8596]

Peterson needs to walk away from religious debates. Hes embarrasing himself over and over.

[@dms8044]

Thanks Jordon, I just watched a clown at a child’s birthday party, take three round balloons, and turn them in to a giraffe.

[@user-jq9ly4es5j]

Listening to Jordan would put any rational person into a bloody , and pathological mind set.

[@Edeskenney]

Peterson can talk for hours and none of it makes any sense which is a sign of insanity.

[@lesliewilker412]

I have lost all the respect I had for Dr. Peterson. Dishonest and laughable logic only to envelop the large new Christian audience. Hope your new found money can buy you a white noise machine to help you sleep at night.

[@UnoHoo1]

What is the reason that so many people are turning back to God, in your obviously learned opinion?

[@vb2806]

​@@UnoHoo1lazy or helpless people want miracles rather than working on themselves. That is why anyone turns to God.

[@HotDog-yf2je]

i am only here cuz of that epic thumbnai

[@tofu_golem]

You don't need magic to explain por understanding of consequences, and you certainly don't need it to explain morals or our desire to be moral. The decision to at least try to be moral is the inevitable conclusion the moment you realize that you are not the only one who experiences suffering.

[@jimmyr545]

Sam is thrown something batshit crazy and he actually takes the time reason about it. Jordan has given no evidence of his claim on sacrifice and that could be the end of his argument right there.

[@N7_Jedi]

Jordan "word salad" Peterson