Same Name, Different Game: Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter (PS1 vs. Saturn)

[@RetrOrigin]

The main reason why the PS1 uses flat polygons instead of sprites is not because the PS1 can't handle sprites, the PS1 simply doesn't have enough RAM to hold a lot of sprites (because RAM was too expensive due to an industry level shortage of silicon) Had the PS1 ever had a RAM upgrade at some point using the expansion port at the back, we could have received much better ports (the stock Saturn doesn't have that much extra RAM than the PS1, so the expansion cart is really what makes the difference) Palettized textures take a bit less space than equivalent sprites, which was the best way for developers to squeeze in a bit more frames than they would have been able to using regular sprites. It's also good to note that sprite processors were abandoned altogether at some point (remember how when PS2 was announced many articles reported the PS2 was incapable of rendering 2D graphics at all and yet it is the 1st console where we finally started getting arcade perfect ports more consistently) While on the topic of arcade perfect ports, many Saturn ports are not really arcade perfect in terms of gameplay. Unfortunately Capcom (and sometimes SNK too) really liked to "fix" and rebalance certain things when porting their games, resulting in certain move properties being changed affecting the way some characters play, combos from the arcade version not working or some new combos that weren't present in the arcade working. Overall not a big issue for casual play especially now that there's no real competitive scene around these games but I seem to remember long threads at the old Shoryuken forums where lists of differences between all ports were pointed out (circa 2001~2003)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I mean, it's kind of hair-splitting to say "it's not that it can't handle the sprites, it just doesn't have enough memory to load them." I'd say if it doesn't have the memory to load them... it can't handle them. But yeah, most games now use flat polygons instead of true sprites, but at the time, it's kinda weird to see them go halfway. (The reason the Symphony of the Night port on Saturn isn't that good, despite the Saturn being a much heartier 2D machine is because that's how most of the stuff in SotN was handled, and Konami didn't put in the work to redraw everything as sprites.) As for arcade perfection, as I said, I'm a filthy casual, but I thought these home ports were usually based on the final arcade revision. I could definitely be wrong, though.

[@RetrOrigin]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Yeah I know it's kind of hair splitting, I guess what I meant to say is that in terms of processing power the PS1 can handle sprites alrigth but just doesn't have the RAM to hold that many sprites. It's a shame the Saturn was such a complicated machine to code for, SOTN not only suffered from the badly re-scaled sprites but also lacked almost all of the transparency effects and had slowdown. I'm also a filthy casual :) since I don't really have the time to practice most fighting games (I mostly only play SFV seriously at the moment) but there was a lot of good information that's now being lost at the Shoryuken forums. Even though as you said many ports were based on their final arcade revisions, Capcom sometimes still made tweaks and changes to the ports. In some cases like Street Fighter III 3rd Strike, the final arcade revision (990608) was recalled from arcades and replaced with the previous version (990512). The Dreamcast version is based on the final recalled revision while later ports (PS2, XBOX, PS3 and current gen) are all based on 990512.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@RetrOrigin I did not know that about Third Strike.

[@gc3k]

The 4mb cart Saturn ports were arcade accurate. Some of them were just based on versions of the arcade that didn't receive wide release, before modern times with online patches I remember this issue when I played Saturn XvSF. It was perfect, with no loading after the inital load at the beginning, but some combos (esp with Storm) didn't work the same way as the arcade. That's because the Saturn game is a perfect port of the final 961023 version, instead of version 961004 that had the widest release in arcades (with infinites and unblockable setups)

[@RAMCARTGAMER]

And with all that said....... Saturn wins!

[@worsel555]

I was streaming using my Saturn a week or so back and I was showing off what the 4 MB RAM cart could do, and when I got to MSH vs SF I made sure to point out that not only was it arcade perfect, it was perfect down to the no loading times. That still impresses me to this day.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

It's crazy how well the Saturn could handle this stuff.

[@DragoonMS]

Well, the "EX Edition" of the PSone versions of XvSF, MSHvSF, & MvC1 is to indicate a feature the other versions don't have...Hyper Cancels, an ability first seen in the Street Fighter EX series as Super Cancels. You can go from certain specials to supers, or from one super to another if you have the meter for it. The result is a pretty spectacular show...and depending on who you use & what you do, possibly some friendships that'll need mending. Examples: 1. Mech-Gouki: j.Hp, s.Lp, s.Mp > Scramble Gou-Punch > Shining Gou-Shock (a level 2 attack total, and given his stupid high damage, it's absosmurfinlutely LETHAL if you connect) 2. Ken: j.Hp, s.Lp, s.Mp, (Hp Shouryuuken) > Shouryuu-reppa or Shippu-jinrai-kyaku > Shouryuu Shouryuu-reppa (stylish, requires you to have two Kens and is a level 3 since it's super to Variable Combo/Crossover Combo) 3. Ken: j.Hp, s.Lp, s.Mp > Shippu-jinrai-kyaku > Shouryuu-reppa > Shinryuu-ken (level 3, VERY stylish) 4. Chun-li: j.Hk, d.Lp, d.Mp, d.Hp > Senretsu-kyaku > Hazan Tenshou-kyaku (level 2, stylish as hell, and works in XvSF, MSHvSF and MvC1!!) 5. Ryu: j.Hp, s.Lp, s.Mp, d.Hk > Shinkuu Tatsumaki-senpuu-kyaku > aerial Shinkuu Hadou-ken (level 2 and your timing has to be bloody PERFECT to get the Hurricane Kick super after that sweep, lest the opponent rolls away) 6. (From MvC1) Shadow Lady: j.Hk, d.Lp, d.Mp, d.Hp, Big Bang Laser > Assist Type Variable Cross (level 3 attack, Big Bang Laser WILL start a new combo count thanks to the stupid startup delay; for your second character, have a "Special Hero" aka Assist aka Striker aka wtfever; a rusher like Psylocke works best)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, that's super not clear, but other folks have hipped me to that! Wish I knew before I made the video, but none of the resources I looked at mentioned it!

[@PaulNat360]

the only good thing about the ps1 version - the hyper cancels

[@shinkazama3959]

Awesome video dude, Saturn versions over PS1 versions every day of the week :)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Hell yes! Also, you seem like the type of person who might be interested in my UN Squadron video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5nCgmipd5qmebs

[@shinkazama3959]

Cheers for the link dude, that video was awesome, now i'm gonna spend the whole day watching your Capcom Chronology videos :)

[@100Bucks]

The ps1 versions didn't have tag mode but I was happy as hell with the game. Now I use the emulator Fightcade.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, I mean, if all you had was a PS1, it's definitely better than nothing!

[@aznpikachu215]

This actually was a pretty underrated game. And yeah, it's basically a minor update from the previous vs. series, and the gameplay felt a bit...slow.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

There are several levels of turbo available, but I kept it at the default. If you choose normal instead of turbo, it feels REALLY slow.

[@VTKC]

PS 1 version is an embarrassment. Same with X-Men Vs Street fighter. You had to put a cheat in to access the alternate tag team feature. Now the funny thing is if you hack one of those Mini PlayStation's you can put the actual Arcade version of these games on it and play them. And they work with no slow downs or loading screens.

[@judgemario]

The EX moniker was probably because it gave you the ability to super cancel like the Street Fighter EX games.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I guess that's possible, but neither the Shoryuken nor Street Fighter wikis make any mention of that being added for this release.

[@judgemario]

@@SameNameDifferentGame I've played the game a lot and know it's in there. X-Men vs. Street Fighter for PS had it too. It's fun to do three Royal Flushes without pausing.

[@VcArena]

This was my fave of the bunch. I wish mvc 2 didn't change up the game play

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

MvC2 is super chaotic, so while I do like it, I also don't like it as much as some of the other entries.

[@VcArena]

@@SameNameDifferentGame my first time playing it, I chose Ryu first, Sakura and Captain America. I was awesome with them on the other games. I was in for a rude awakening.

[@TonyLikeGames2]

The PlayStation version added the ability to chain super moves together like in the Street Fighter EX series.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, someone else mentioned that. I had no idea!

[@luisreyes1963]

Those who had the Saturn version of MSH vs. SF are the fortunate ones.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

True.

[@Penguindude1]

As someone who grew up with the PS1 versions of both X-Men vs. SF and MSH vs. SF, I enjoyed them, though nowadays, I can see how rough they are, especially compared to the Saturn versions.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, I mean, I totally get it if you just had a PS1. Any port in a storm and all that.

[@BEAThatesyou]

AWESOME VIDEO AS ALWAYS DUDE!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Thanks, BEAT!

[@osurpless]

The lack of changes in the backgrounds might have been surprising, but being a “filthy casual” myself when it comes to multiplayer in fighting games, I deeply appreciate the addition of the hyperactive narrator shouting the finishing moves when you finish off a foe with them: “Shinku Hadoken!” “Gamma Wave” and so on. Even Norimaro is leagues better with his Engrish wins: “Ultra Grand Champion Jump!” And the fact that the subsequent Marvel vs games inexplicably don’t retain that feature keep MSHVSF feeling special among its peers.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

The announcer is totally great. I don't think I like him quite as much as the Capcom vs. SNK 2 announcer, but still.

[@osurpless]

On the Stick Don’t remember much of that announcer, so going to have to see some clips again, but 3rd Strike will always be my fav. Imagine if the same announcer tried to replicate the far too serious tone with the dialogue on the back of CVSNK1: s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/IOCmwm.BrXWA8dugbeb8zQ--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz00Njg-/www.mobygames.com/images/covers/l/183871-capcom-vs-snk-pro-playstation-back-cover.jpg.cf.jpg

[@realmchat6665]

Awesome video - these games still rock to play today.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

They really do. (At least... the Saturn version does.)

[@DanielAyy]

One thing that i've always found odd, is that normally smaller retro gaming channels have some of the best quality around with 720p/ 1080p 60fps while more popular retro channels like AVGN don't have 60fps.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

AVGN hasn't ever really been about the games as much as the comedy. I don't know that it really matters if his stuff is 60fps or not, you know? But for me, I'm really trying to present the games with the best representation I can.

[@DanielAyy]

@@SameNameDifferentGame yeah you're right.

[@cup_noodls]

I once saw a cheat that made Gambit playable in this game. I never felt so lied to in my life.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

You'd just have to wait until MvC!

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Capcom should've drawn more female Marvel characters. Not just the female X-Men...

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@edwardgaines6561 Yeah, more Marvel ladies would have been good.

[@grgmj1980]

Norimaro was the first to take selfies

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I almost made a joke about that, but I restrained myself.

[@MellowGaming]

I think I rented this game on PS1. Definitely played it a bunch. Watching this has reminded me that I really need to get an action replay thing for my Saturn someday. It's usually way cheaper to get one of those and the Japanese copies of many games than it is to just get the local versions. Good pick for an episode this even if it was nearly a squash match.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

The Action Replay Plus is a must for any Saturn owner.

[@LordTeaboBaggins]

Truth be told, I always thought X-Men Vs Street Fighter was the superior game to this. Though I agree; the Saturn version of this game was way fun

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I think it really comes down to the roster. For me, I think this one is a little better, but I have both and they're both awesome.

[@LordTeaboBaggins]

On the Stick True, the roster in MvsSF was better. Objectively, it’s the superior game to X-Men vs SF. I think I just miss owning people with my Cammy/Juggernaut team :D

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@LordTeaboBaggins Legit.

[@VOAN]

It was fun but they change a lot of the characters moveset into weird comical ones which I don't like such as Sakura, she had upward Hadouken but no straight Hadouken like in the Alpha games which makes herreally difficult to play regularly.

[@bruceaskew2107]

Cool video bro , i loved the marvel vs capcom games

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Thanks for watching!

[@Wolfdogg]

I actually had the PS1 version growing up. It's the best Marvel vs. game on PS1 by far, though.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I honestly think all three are kinda in the same tier, but they're not awful taken on their own.

[@Wolfdogg]

Oh, no doubt. I'm just saying that MSHvSF seemed to be the one that tried its best to compensate for the inherent weaknesses of the PS1's limitations.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@Wolfdogg Legit.

[@diegoaccord]

I'll agree with this. Closer than XSF and MVC1. This is however because, of all 3 arcade VS games, MSHvSF actually has the least amount of animations. For instance, for arcade versions, if you look at Captain America's walking animation in CPS2 Marvel Super Heroes VS CPS2 MSHvSF, a lot was cut. A lot of the returning MSH characters had animations cut in MSHvSF, which made it look not as noticeable on the PS1. Since MVC1 had a bunch of new, highly animated Capcom characters, the difference between home and arcade grew again. Also you may notice that the SF characters in XSF and MSHvSF for the PS1 have most of their animations on PS1, which helps, especially in MSHvsSF.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@diegoaccord Yeah, that's true, but they still manage to be missing some of the animations! Crazy!

[@bildo1977]

Next video... Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Probably Turtles In Time vs. The Hyperstone Heist.

[@brandongordon3082]

innoutraged or Tmnt tournament fighters

[@bildo1977]

@@brandongordon3082 Yeah that's possible. Tournament Fighters would probably be the more interesting video. But Turtles In Time is more well known. We shall see...

[@R0n1n760]

Ive got the PS1 version of this but would have loved to play this alternative version. Same with Xmen vs Street Fighter

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Definitely worth seeking out.

[@CaptainFrugalReviews]

I would love to do a livestream or a video with you sometime about some superhero games!

[@ssestakhch]

>"Check it out" I can't see it.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Watch whatever character is on the left at any given time. They look smeary and kinda disjointed.

[@jonathanalvarez2909]

Awesome video as always.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Thank you!

[@ElDojoGamerVenezuela]

Regards From Venezuela!!! Surviving and Playing!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Cheers!

[@cyberpunknut1099]

Liked and shared. Man those RAM cart releases on the saturn were a great time.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

They truly were!

[@cyberpunknut1099]

@@SameNameDifferentGame BTW, nice shirt haha

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@cyberpunknut1099 Thanks!

[@kanedasrifle]

Is what a manuver ever coming back ? Loved that podcast .

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

We've talked about it a couple times. It's not impossible. We've both been guests (sometimes at the same time) on Wrestling with the Dawg over at FlairFlop.com, if you miss us talking about wrestling.

[@kitestar]

For some reason ps1 really got the short end of the CPS2 stick in those days, why? I have no bleeding idea

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

It just couldn't handle the sprites correctly. (Mostly due to RAM limitations.)

[@VOAN]

The PS1 hardware just couldn't compete with the 2D stuff as it was made with 3D capability in mind. With 2D they just had to make sacrifice on features.

[@gh0stp1rate]

What about Shadow Lady? Prolly wasn't included in the console version.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Shadow Lady didn't debut until Marvel vs. Capcom.

[@gh0stp1rate]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Hmm, I guess I remembered wrong. I've always thought that she was in this one. Thanks for correcting me.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@gh0stp1rate Nope! Just Shadow Charlie!

[@VOAN]

1:53 - Capcom second game based on Marvel's superhero was X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse, not Children of the Atom. Children of the Atom was the third game though if you are going only by arcade releases then Children of the Atom was the 2nd.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I said "a short time later, X-Men: Children of the Atom was released," I didn't say it was the 2nd Marvel game they made.

[@zanegandini5350]

Yeah, the PS1 struggled with games that required sprites to be changed at a moments notice. Mortal Kombat 3 turned off Shang Tsung's transformations by default because the system had to slow down to a halt in order to process it. As with the loading times, that seems to be poor optimization. I have Advanced Variable Geo, another 2D fighter on the PS1, that has much shorter loading times than seen here. Granted, it's going to seem sluggish compared to the Saturn version anyhow since it's loading from the optical disc drive vs the 4 MB ram cart, but it could have been better than what it was.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Right. Like, it was going to be worse than the Saturn either way, but it didn't have to be THAT bad.

[@RetrOrigin]

The PS1 wasn't really processing anything when Shang Tsung morphed into other characters. It simply had to load the other character sprites into RAM from the CD because the PS1 didn't have that much RAM to hold all the character animations at the same time. The Saturn port of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 and Mortal Kombat Trilogy have the exact same limitation. The only reason why the Saturn port of Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter runs better on Saturn is the expansion RAM cart. Unfortunately the PS1 never received a similar RAM upgrade even though it had a capable expansion port for several years (which was removed in later models)

[@zanegandini5350]

The fact that they did make it a traditional 1v1 fighter and it still has such unbearable load times just shows how poor Capcom's understanding of the PS1 was at the time. And that's aside from the awful compressed voices.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@zanegandini5350 I'm not totally sold on that. The collections of old arcade games are really great ports on the PS1. Even earlier CPS2 games, like Street Fighter Alpha are pretty competent. These Vs. fighters were just the pits, though.

[@reagandow850]

Oh man! This looks really cool. I can’t wait to dig into this bad boy. Thanks for another great video. I hope all is well man. Edit: Great T-Shirt btw. Lol

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I really recommend checking it out, if you haven't before.

[@hdofu]

Given the movie in theaters, I think Marvel Super Heroes would have been the more fitting fighter to cover. Main bad guy was Thanos, and also introduced the GEM system that would later get reused in the Street Fighter series through the infinity gems in the game.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Ok. But that game isn't as interesting of a comparison, because the ports are pretty similar, unlike MSH vs. SF.

[@jessemontgomery491]

A remake of this game would b op

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I'd be into it.

[@DragONheart27X]

Makes me wish all those MVC4/Infinite reboot for next gen rumors are real.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Same. I liked MvC:I ok, but it's my least favorite of the series. I'd love a revamp/rebalance.

[@DragONheart27X]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Agree, the fighting mechanics was still good, although it needed a rebalance, and it really lacked that "umphf" in the presentation.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@DragONheart27X Yeah, 100%.

[@edwardgaines6561]

Where did you that shirt? _"Winners don't use drugs!"_ Sad though. Cartridges to us, are like 8-tracks to old fogies! 😜

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I got it from RedBubble.com

[@edwardgaines6561]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Nice going! I got a _Calvin & Hobbes_ shirt from Redbubble. Too bad they don't do Monday discounts anymore.

[@NY-Buddy]

I fiend for that game and then found out it was 1on1

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, it was a bit of a disappointment back in the day, if you were expecting the arcade game.

[@B3N70K1N]

This is the first video I've seen of yours.. on the stick is a fantastic name, and I will enjoy watching your catalogue of videos.., I also happen to be an old bastard and super into games myself.. and with the shortcut on for mshvssf on the ps1, and picked the same characters in a mirror match and picked the same stage, you can instantly be in the next exact match within seconds of hearing you win, all while combing otg into something sick... I've seen and done it.. it is a crappier version in most respects, but I personally preferred it's flavor of 1v1.. haha, sorry to rant, no offense, peace and taco grease!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Glad you dug it! Hope you enjoy the rest of the shows!

[@megagrey]

I remember seeing this in EGM soon after their Rayearth review. Yeah, Saturn always handled 2D fighters better. Can you play this on an American Saturn with a converter cart?

[@StevieDrawStuff]

Yes, you can. That's how I have played it since it was released. I imported right away with a ram cart

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

You definitely can, that's how I played it.

[@NeoTurboManiac78]

Great video Joe! I am surprised that they reused all of the same stages from X-Men vs Street Fighter for this game. I see they did they same thing for some stages between Street Fighter III New Generation & 2nd Impact. There should have been enough time to create new stages. Anyway it's still a great fighter and I am glad I have this for the Saturn. As for next video, I have an idea but I won't say it.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I'm kinda surprised, but not THAT surprised, you know?

[@brandonnoel432]

NeoTurboManiac the presentation for this game is much better and it does play faster. I also prefer this roster except I wish it had Magneto and Dr. Doom.

[@Nintality]

Those differences, it's great to get to know them. That's what's great about your channel 👍 Btw Got the japanese Return of Double Dragon for the super famicom after watching your video. Sold my usa version 😁 without a doubt the best version of that game so thx man

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Nice. Glad to have helped out!

[@Nintality]

@@SameNameDifferentGame really appreciate that, also MSHVSF never knew that the Saturn version is so much better and cheaper to get. Only played the psx version now knowing these differences might be going to collect for the Saturn. Never owned one before, love Capcom Fighters

[@poncho828]

I'm so ready for this video

[@youtubed3951]

lol @ the load time comparisons...when we look at it now, it's unbelievable how bad it was.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Ridiculous, right?

[@syxx573]

I had a sega saturn so I never had to subject myself to the PS1 version. A few years later... emulators.... so I never had to play the saturn again and ended up selling it.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

CPS1 & 2 emulation is pretty solid, but I still love my Saturn.

[@SharonisCarin321]

Joe, get ready for a real hot take, I prefer the PS1 versions of these games I prefer one on one fighting plus they are very unique as one of the commenters told you about all the extra features of the ex editions I'm sorry I prefer these

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I respect it, but I can't go there.

[@SharonisCarin321]

@@SameNameDifferentGame oh BTW in the PlayStation version of Marvel vs Capcom There are some cool extras If you hold the punch buttons during a load screen you can swap fighters to your summon. It's very handy These versions are called EX in Japan as they knew the PS1 could not handle the MVC series. They added new content to game. DHC combos New costumes for everyone including Classic Black Venom Carnage for Hyper Venom 70s Hulk for Orange hulk and Iron Man for Gold War Machine Permanent unlocks Manual Special summons And tons of new concept art. Lastly if you hold Start when selecting Ryu you can start a match as Evil Ryu Select will let you play as Ken Ryu This also works for Mecha Zangief

[@carlcouture1023]

Oh neat, a TMNT episode is coming up.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

But which one?

[@ScottALowe]

Still the best Vs game.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I don't agree with that, but it's still a great one!

[@Albert8044]

Capcom vs SNK do that episode next. Capcom vs SNK (Dreamcast) vs Capcom vs SNK Pro (PlayStation). There are quite notable differences for each console of the same title.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Definitely one I want to get to at some point, but not next!

[@retroaggression7416]

Dreamcast has a pro version of CvS also (import only)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@retroaggression7416 I gotta get that. No amateur shit for me!

[@Albert8044]

@@retroaggression7416 I didn't knew that there was a CvS Pro for Dreamcast at the time here in the States and Canada. I only recall here in North America we only got CvS for the Dreamcast and CvS Pro for PlayStation. By the time the Dreamcast died and went under here in North America the Japanese market for the Dreamcast life lasted maybe another year or so longer.

[@TheIntuitive2011]

Great content.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Thanks!

[@worsel555]

Whoa boy this one is going to be fun! Excuse me for a moment. *Hugs Sega Saturn copy of the game* I'm sorry, where was I? Oh yes, this will be a fun one to watch :)

[@OfficialTruDru]

Marvel vs Capcom series 2 I liked the 1st one too X-Men vs Street Fighter Also Marvel vs Capcom 2, 3, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 but 4: Infinite Sucks. Best fighting games I ever Played.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I thought Infinite was... fine, I guess. But it pales in comparison to the other games in the series.

[@bildo1977]

Apparently, the "EX" stands for exception.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

"EXcept the Tag Battles"

[@dualshock3]

Ah capcom.. One of the few companies who sold Disk locked Content "at full price" Before it was hip -_-

[@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657]

Dark Sakura has and invincible teleport. She can block after. You left out Mephisto and U.S. Agent. It wasn't similar because chain combos were limited.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I said most of the other hidden characters are "palette swaps of Marvel characters," which is true of both US Agent and Mephisto. And it wasn't similar to what?

[@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657]

@@SameNameDifferentGame X-men Vs Street Fighter had magic series where you could chain every button and cancel into a special move or super move. They changed some of the characters to 3 button only chains on Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657 That's still "similar," it's not "the same."

[@demgutts]

Next vid hint sounds like it might be tmnt

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Could be... but which game?

[@retroaggression7416]

Very nice! Yeah the Saturn kills any console for fighting games, would love to see alpha 2 and 3 comparison videos.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Alpha 2 is a must, just so I can talk about the weird SNES port. But it will be a minute before I can get to it.

[@VOAN]

@@SameNameDifferentGame The Super NES port was not weird, it was limited. For the time it was released, it was an impressive port especially running using 1991 technologies.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

"Weird" is not synonymous with "bad." It is impressive. It's also weird.

[@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657]

You skipped Marvel Super Heroes. You also forgot to mention Akuma was on X-Men COTA.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I talk about Marvel Super Heroes at 2:16. And I didn't "forget" Akuma was in X-Men, I didn't think it was necessary to mention in the context of this video.

[@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657]

@@SameNameDifferentGame Why not? He was the first Street Fighter to enter the Marvel Comics Universe. Best version ever.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657 Because the video isn't about Children of the Atom.

[@eyeh8phonies361]

Is it bad that I will take the PS1 Marvel Superheroes Vs Capcom over Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite? I never owned this on any of the consoles I did have it on M.A.M.E however which was like having the arcade version at home.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I don't think it's bad that you think that, but I would take MvC:I over the PS1 version of this game, personally.

[@cliffhanger5753]

Have you ever thought about doing a same name different game episode on the Punch-out games? Nintendo was pretty uncreative with the titles of this series and they all have pretty much the same name the only difference being two of the games having super added to the title and two of the NES games having a subtitle added. So you basically have: Punch-Out(Arcade) Super Punch-Out(Arcade) Punch-Out(Famicom Gold Cart Edition) Punch-Out(Game & Watch Micro vs System) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out(NES/Famicom) Punch-Out Featuring Mr. Dream(NES/Famicom) Super Punch-Out(SNES/Super Famicom) Punch-Out(Wii)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I definitely have! It's one that's on the docket for sometime in the future!

[@chiaxiong8739]

Dreamcast is my best port of Marvel vs Capcom 2 ❤

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I did an episode about the port of the first MvC on Dreamcast! Check out the cards on this video!

[@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810]

I remember being very disappointed in the ps1 version. I was already playing the game on my brothers Sega Saturn, and noticed a major downgrade. I traded the game in at videogame store a week later. I didn’t even want to play it.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, it's not good, especially if you spent a lot of time with the arcade.

[@QuestionBlockGaming]

Heck yes, I loved this game! I never knew that the Saturn version was SO much better though. I knew it was better, but I didn't know the animations were smoother, the audio is higher quality... In comparison, that PS1 game is trash!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Heck yeah! The Saturn was a 2D powerhouse!

[@佐藤真人-j1q]

@@SameNameDifferentGame nope actually sega got good 3D games too some not all explain it name title rpg grianida

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@佐藤真人-j1q I didn't say there weren't good 3D games on the Saturn, that doesn't change the fact that it was a 2D powerhouse.

[@佐藤真人-j1q]

@@SameNameDifferentGame I know 2d is hood but 3d also good on Sega Saturn

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@佐藤真人-j1q I mean, it can be a little weird (Resident Evil looks weird on Saturn, for example), but yeah, I love stuff like Deep Fear!

[@wishagoodfluffyhoneylovego4657]

I liked the PS1 version better. The special cancel "Ex mode" made it better. Plus with the Action Pro Replay, you could play with Cyber-Akuma and connect all the special moves.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

You can play as Cyber Akuma in the Saturn version without a cheat device!

[@Ryuujin1078]

A gameplay mechanic doesn’t make up for lack of not swapping characters which was the point of the series

[@borneagain]

Dude, where did you get your shirt? Wanna pick one up myself!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

RedBubble dot com!

[@lisocampos8080]

Omg how many of these channels exist?

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I'm not sure what you mean by "these channels," but if you mean channels that compare versions of games, I can think of at least 6 off the top of my head.

[@chiaxiong8739]

It came out for PS1 US too bro but had no tag and only single player LMAO and you forgot evil Chun Li

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Evil Chun-Li (a.k.a. Shadow Lady) didn't debut until Marvel vs. Capcom.

[@chiaxiong8739]

@@SameNameDifferentGame oh yeah okay you right they both look the same lol

[@stevelugo7066]

Rework the timeline and it’s an amazing video. Capcom did a lot of other titles before x-men

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Uh... so you basically want me to do what I spent six videos doing last year to extoll the virtues of Capcom, writ large, in the context of one particular game? Nah. But maybe watch these: The Capcom Chronology: kzbin.info/aero/PLVxmvovKgzzoBqsu1CK0zywVbuCVcTE7t

[@parrishharris3008]

Your great at what you do bro - 👍✌.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Thank you!

[@diegoaccord]

Also when it comes to PS1 vs Sat CPS2 ports, they always have the character portraits relocated. Even in Super SF2 Turbo in SF Collection, you'll notice it. I think it was because of the resolution. One you should consider is doing the SF:Movie game. It truly is a case of Same Name Different game. Arcade plays completely different than console versions.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Yeah, it's definitely the Saturn resolution that does that. And we kinda touched on SF: The Movie is our 2-parter with Game vs. Game years ago, but I'd like to revisit it specifically.

[@vonniev0n]

I'm here for it

[@preamstrikbiz0]

I love how you have the ps1 version loose ! You knew not to keep this peice of shit complete

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Guilty as charged.

[@gordyowl9455]

No air combos 0/10 I want my money back lol

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

But there are air combos...

[@spookydonkey42]

Ur intro music blew my speakers please I beg of you look into your audio levels!🙏

[@Joneth_Piptne]

It's soon as I saw this in my suggestion feed I clicked on it I still got this game on my phone right now 😂✌️ Edit: still the best intros ever....gets me hyped e every time 😂

[@TonyHStanley]

^_^ nice T-shirt bro

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Hahaha, thanks! I love it!

[@mattfahringer148]

im always partial to the arcade version. in fact i own an actual working cabinet of the game

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

That's pretty dope!

[@NickIntoTech]

Tbh This is a good game But they should have Put Thanos In the Game To Make the Cross Over Equal To M Bison For Boss Character

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Probably. But he hadn't been playable in a game yet, at the time.

[@charlesanthonymiddlebrooks3487]

#OntheStick "Hey #JoeDrilling, anychance that you could do another Same Name, Different Gaming episode of #MarvelVSCapcom as well too please?" #TakeItUnderAdvisement #MiddlebrooksFanatics 🤔😊💖🕹️🎮🎬🎞️🎥📽️📺💻📱🔮 "P.S. Uh, nevermind, I just found it but thanks #JoeDrilling." 😊💭💖💻📱🔮

[@random_gamer_guy82]

Saturn all day long.

[@SushiCoding]

xmen vs street fighter was better. no psychodelic supers

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I guess I don't really know what you mean by that. It had supers, it had crossover supers, it had splash screens for super finishes.

[@SushiCoding]

@@SameNameDifferentGame i mean the acid trip that is going on behind the character when they do a super. worst look ever and they never repeated it in later games

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@SushiCoding Ah, gotcha. Not sure that's enough for me to say X-Men vs. SF is a better game, but you do you.

[@DanielAyy]

What? I love getting seizures when pounding my opponent! I get to have a nice chat about it with my doctor afterwards!

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@DanielAyy Only a bonus if your doctor is a cool guy and you have good insurance.

[@KesorodaBlk]

This was a great video! Anyone ever tell you your voice reminds them of a more relaxed Wentworth Miller?

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Glad you dug it! And no, first time I've heard that one!

[@YoureNotAlexander]

Hey Joe, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet in the comments section but I remember from back in the day that if you and your opponent picked the same characters but in opposite order(or maybe the same order, I can't remember) on the PS1 version of X-Men vs. Street Fighter, you could actually tag. I'm not sure if this is the case for Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter though.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

I talk about that at 9:12.

[@YoureNotAlexander]

Upon review, I see now. Something about the way you worded it made it go completely over my head. XD

[@jmaster4941]

Still better than Infinite

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

The Saturn version? Yes. The PS1 version? Nah, I think I'd rather play Infinite (even if it's not great, I didn't hate it).