Fibonacci Sequence in Genshin? DRUMMER REACTION to Gilded Runner

[@Samizard]

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[@Liz_Bundy_ART]

I've heard some musicians say that "young people like to get involved unnecessarily with weird rhythms in their compositions". But I think we are in an era where we have already seen everything. Playing with the beats and rhythms brings something very fresh to the music.

[@monke.2323]

Pretty sure u r talking about Charles Cornell, who said that about jazz music in his reaction to Gilded Runner and the main Inazuman battle theme

[@ellevictor474]

Golden Hour by JVKE is one of those weird rhythms and its blown up. Honestly people that strive to do something different in art: music, drawing etc. Once their heart is in it I say go for it. Honestly because some of these songs now are so complex some of the older classics feel really flat; you can predict the direction its going~ the words of a novice

[@lucassu9099]

Interestingly I didn't even realize something go crazy about the time signature the first time I hear Gilded Runner.

[@juan-xn5kp]

​​@@ellevictor474 that song is good but there is no complex time signature in it. Its 3/4 throughout the entirety or a waltz. Note: Could be 6/8

[@justingarcia5012]

Fibonacci Sequence is not weird though and is not new. It is ancient. I’m a musician myself and a drummer as well, I really like Gilded song because I like the syncopated notes, phrasing parts, or the off beats in the layman’s term but I am not that really surprised how they integrate Fibonacci into their compositions because you can hear it quite often in orchestras. And I love listening to orchestras and operas. And hearing Fibonacci in this genshin song is not new to me. It’s just new for people who are not that quite into music.

[@selahmaiah]

The Genshin community might argue on several things but we all undeniably agree on one thing: Yu Peng Chen is a gigachad. 🔥🔥🔥

[@babuebaguette7982]

And Hoyo-mix Both are chads

[@thegrayyernaut]

HoYo-Mix. The entire team. Everyone.

[@hoangcoconut]

no he's just an average asian guy

[@TurdBoi666]

@@hoangcoconut no

[@Mizuki.Akiyama-N25]

Agreed❤

[@idyotako]

So not only is math hard... math hits hard musically! And it makes for one of the best in game tracks!

[@Samizard]

Starting to think math would make a great DJ in the club

[@theAAtiger]

Well, it's the nation rules by the God of Wisdom xD

[@LegengaryOak]

We talk about time signatures like 4/4, 7/4, 11/8, etc. Yu Peng Chen, the madlad, really went and wrote an amazing orchestral piece in Fibonacci/8.

[@newbie4789]

LMAO soo true

[@angeldude101]

The only thing they could've done to make it even crazier: φ/1 That's 1/1, 2/1, 3/2, 5/3, 8/5, 13/8, 21/13

[@Nomfyy]

​@@angeldude101The bottom number always has to be a power of two so that’s a little too crazy to work lol

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

@@Nomfyydenominator lol

[@maximvoronin1569]

@@Nomfyy It's not a hard rule though because irrational meters do exist (even though they're rare).

[@artofersuke]

Damn, I didn't know math drops that hard

[@Samizard]

Math drops as hard as I dropped math in college... think about it

[@ayss2611]

@@Samizard lmao

[@mozzapple]

of COURSE the land of wisdom would have math in its music! It's so on brand for this game

[@zeroy0n]

Music is all math, strictly speaking But you’re right, Genshin music is pretty clever

[@jonson856]

I really like the "Fibonacci rhythm" because if I were to imagine some sort of fight then those pauses and weird timings are like you expecting the enemy to strike but then nothing happens. Like as if this person is so foreign that his fighting style and rhythm are totally different to what you are used to and keep struggling to adjust.

[@tyronetalam8488]

Honestly pretty accurate too considering we got introduced to the eremites who have those weird spirit powers, so far we've never really dealt with common enemies like that in previous regions

[@Victorsandergamer]

you just described all of the MOTHER franchise

[@Sereaph]

I majored in theoretical math in college. Math is INCREDIBLY artistic. It's such a shame that none of the aesthetically pleasing math is taught until upper-class college. Modern education really doesn't do it justice. I'm sure most people don't understand how a math proof can be called "elegant" or "beautiful", but let me tell you there are proofs that are absolutely beautiful. People think that math is just about solving problems, but there's so much more to it that no one knows about.

[@sightseek3r]

You majored in theoretical mathematics. I had a theoretical major in mathematics. We are not the same.

[@stawpnagd7820]

The fibonacci sequence was actually first studied for the sake of Sanskrit poetry and prosody, since in Sanskrit there are short and long syllables (which are twice the length of the short syllables). The question, if translated to musical terms, is how many rhythmic patterns are there with a given fixed length, measured as multiples of short vowels? If the length is one, then obviously there’s only 1 pattern. Length is 2, there’s 2 pattern: ss or L. Length 3, there’s sss, sL, Ls. Length 4, there’s ssss, ssL, sLs, Lss, LL. As you can imagine, the number of patterns correspond to fibonacci numbers. Why? Well, let’s say you want a pattern of length 8, then you first decide if the first note is short or long. If it’s short, then you can put in any pattern of length 7 after it. If it’s long, you put in any pattern of length 6 after it. So to get all the patterns of length 8, you only need patterns of length 7 and 6! In any case, it’s really cool to see fibonacci being used for rhythm in music, since that’s literally how we humans discovered it. It’s also pretty fitting that it was used in Sumeru pst, but also understandable since I’ve heard that traditional Indian percussionists actually do make use of the fibonacci sequence in creating the patterns in some cases.

[@katl8825]

your explanation of this is fascinating as well, wow!

[@Nara_Sugus]

Nice explanation, 😊 I think basically fibonacci was really useful in all form of art... For example, in illustration we can make image more natural with fibonacci pattern for the composition.. Even you can spot this pattern in this album cover..

[@springblossoms8715]

Sanskrit is from India, one of the countries Sumeru is based off is India!

[@kraftistic]

@@springblossoms8715 makes the concept fit even better than it would've in another region, the composer knew what he was cooking from the start

[@Unreasonableresource]

Nice

[@AcaciaAvenue]

Guys at Hoyo-mix: "hey how many sequences shall we put in this song?" Yu-Peng Chen: "yes."

[@nevanV12]

My comment was featured yay! awesome vid as always sami! Let's have "Die Mittsommernacht-Fantasie" from the Fischl Domain from last year's Summer Event. It's very neoclassical imo.

[@micden00]

Chen Yu-Peng is build different

[@Samizard]

Truly

[@fallenoverseer2525]

Tried to compose music using math. Either it is cursed, or it slaps

[@Samizard]

This is the truest statement I’ve ever seen

[@ellevictor474]

Sumeru battle themes just hit differently and it makes me want to hold my breath for Fontaine.

[@bmo3778]

Plot twist: Fontaine has underwater levels, and its battle music cause players to subconsciously hold their breath, literally

[@TheLegendOfWolf_]

@@bmo3778 it wlll probably have underwater levels, one NPC was talking about "diving license", but time will show the truth i guess.

[@khanhquocvong]

Fontaine slaps, don’t worry

[@nahkeytoe7025]

​@@khanhquocvong Still not better than Sumeru

[@ellevictor474]

​@@khanhquocvong Trust me😊 Im obsessed

[@wienzard93]

I have seen breakdowns of this particular song from other musicians or music producer while I love that they gave me insights on the instruments and what emotion/atmosphere the music trying to convey, I like your breakdown bcs your insight is more on the technical timing stuff. I was really curious and when you explained it, I think I get it. I like how the math really turned into musical art form. When I was in school I really loved math. I even entered a lot of competitions for it. I just love that my favorite subject in school can be incorporated into art. Which is (funnily enough) what I am doing nowadays (I'm a graphic designer).

[@Samizard]

That's so cool that you were a math junkie and now you're getting to experience it through video game music!

[@wodwodli]

Next up on the list of unconventional Genshin music would be "Mittsommernachts-Fantasie"

[@Samizard]

That has been requested a lot! Definitely gonna have to do a video for it

[@professorweeb]

@@Samizard oh you definitely need to listen to that. Hoyoverse made an absolute banger song just for a limited time event that only lasted for a month and a half

[@zayna2427]

@@Samizard please do

[@xBlaster]

No wonder this is the nation of knowledge and wisdom...

[@princeofhyrule2205]

The rather unusual sequence/rhythm fits very well for a battle theme. It makes the fight seem chaotic and unpredictable, as if there is so much going on that the all organization has devolved into pure chaos. Telling friend from foe becomes difficult. The song also has such a large amount of tension. You are always on edge and cannot seem to catch a break throughout.

[@nohnoroi6221]

Fitting Sumeru as the Land of knowledge, in this case, Math!

[@RyukaaAlexandra]

This was awesome and very very interesting, I never quite understood what that sequence was all about, but after the video I have, in the surface of it at least, a new understanding and a idea of what that sequence stands for. And Genshin, dude that's why I love this game, like everything they do is so thoughtful, every detail it's not just a detail, it has very close thoughts in it. The fact that all of this goes way back in history and its really something like canonical, it actually blew my mind. Big props to those artists and teams involved in this, for that was amazing. Props to you Sami, this was really a nice video, I won't be listening to this ost the same way ever again, this was really dam cool and interesting. Thank you 😉🙏

[@wienzard93]

Oh also, when you talk about the cymbals.. idk if this will give you insight. Since I spent my time mostly in Sumeru, I heard a ton of the combat battle and usually when that cymbals was coming in, the combat music is about to end. But instead of getting a big outro, it immediately loop back so it sounds so seamlessly tied into the beginning of the song. I genuinely love it bcs when it ends, it doesn't really sound like the music is going to end. It just loops. Unlike most of other combat battle like from Liyue or Inazuma. Usually I can tell when the music about to end bcs they always have a "tail end"(?) Idk how to convey what's on my mind. But this combat music in Sumeru doesn't really have that "tail end" in my head bcs the sequence of the music is wonky already so I don't know when it ends or begins. I think the cymbals kinda help...(?) I'm not a musician. I'm just a music and game enjoyer :D

[@kurokamikage_official]

Oh man, that is some interesting reaction right here I did know the sequence but never heard it in Gilded Runner until I saw that video you showed in the beginning. Also there is some thoughtful naming for the thing: gilded=golden (which I, being far from english native, did not know) and Fibonacci sequence is also known as golden ratio, which could hint the usage of this sequence in the piece if you knew the definition of "gilded"

[@achixkem8989]

I know he’s a Musician but am still amazed to how clear and detailed his explanation is

[@かたわれ時-e7x]

"Basic overworld battle them"

[@xzpy]

The fact that no KZbinr mentioned konnakol and Fibonacci sequence is straight up hilarious... This is where the inspiration came to hoyomix (since summeru is supposed to be middle and south Asia) ... It's the same video graphics lol

[@stylo9000]

Yeah it seems even these professional musicians are not familiar with the basics of Indian classical music enough to recognize it.

[@zmelody2111]

and this is soooooo suit for sumeru because sumeru is the nation of wisdom, and MATH MUSIC!!!!

[@iamsham9]

Very fitting for Sumeru... I remember Konnakol from India

[@Jnw_nyy]

istg genshin music just hits diff it's unique and also promotes diff cultures in the music

[@TurdBoi666]

I agree

[@SlyHikari03]

Yup

[@riotangel4701]

This theme is also use for one set of race puzzles in Sumeru. It really communicates the sense of urgency.

[@michishige123]

Chaotic at first, and it starts to grow

[@souland3566]

The golden ratio

[@ArtificiallyIdiotic]

Im no expert but it felt like the cymbals were doing an inverted fibonacci

[@maevethefox5912]

Me: "Yep, sounds like a Tool song alright" I remember learning about them doing this YEARS ago and having my mind blown.

[@Slice_Of_Que]

Dude you GOTTA listen to Rhymes of Vales the overlapping traditional percussion is b o n k e r s I love

[@soumaghosh2671]

Now I know why I absolutely HAVE to fight whenever this music comes on 😅

[@kawaiimika7974]

NO WONDER IT'S SUCH A DELIGHT TO LISTEN TO 😮

[@arsenal_xz]

In last that sounded like reversed fabonacci series

[@lagrangewei]

still waiting for a drummer to attempt the beat.... :^)

[@Samizard]

Could never be me

[@talamioros]

wondering who's gonna throw this one at 8bitdrummer

[@samiadjifr]

that fibbonaci sequence wasnt invented by hoyomix. it is one of indian classical carnatic music beat pattern called konnakol. wasnt anything new but really cool thing to introduce this stuff to wider public.

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

We’re in the nation of wisdom, ofc math is also here

[@aunthropmusic5479]

I've seen many musicians reacting to this song and now i'm feeling so smart now, cuz i can understand the whole rhythm of this song now (it took a while, thanks to the "when you realize there's math behind Sumeru music")

[@saimonmanalo]

I want more genshin impact song review plsss... More more moreeeeee

[@Bangdikur]

The mushrooms near you 😂

[@_cyber_cookie_]

this is some da vinci's code level stuff lol

[@ImQuietly]

"i like genshin" Haters: but its a gacha game "But theres good music" Haters:but its a gacha game "But there are good character models Haters: but its a gacha game "It has a compelling story, with a ton of characters, a huge overworld map, high mountains, deep caves, massive reigons, and its not even done yet" Haters: but its a g-

[@_cyber_cookie_]

this is absolutely incredibly

[@lynnie3043]

its like a beat drop every 25 seconds

[@Leukotrieneb4]

I still stuck at La Signora’s battle theme

[@echidnaralsei1473]

sumeru all about that knowledge and math

[@sharpieaddict420]

5:40 I’m pretty sure the percussion used here is hand cymbals! They have a very tinny, metallic sound, and are actually traditionally used by priests for pujas and other ceremonies!

[@luluskuy]

Math teacher should play this in class to motivate their students fr

[@adamarrah]

And this sequence also known as golden ratio

[@metaphorium1328]

Counting down cymbals

[@bryanmarcumacob9309]

3:23 that head bop hahah

[@alikos4528]

Please don't tell me that every completed fibonacchi sequence adding a new instrument is just like samsara cycle

[@castallyourspells]

everyone in the comments: wow, who knew math in music goes hard! math rock musicians: 😀

[@Ennie0616]

JOJO's golden spin LETSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@actpianocover6329]

The last few bars during the ending is just in 5/8 time signature, isn't it? That part is way more simpler to recognize than the Fibonacci sequence

[@horriblepizza4647]

I find video games are a great way to sneak progressive music into the ears of the general public. When you’re listening to it in the background, you’re not necessarily trying to bob your head to it in 4/4 like you're at a concert, but you'll eventually hear it enough times that you're used to it. Genshin is a shining example.

[@PixelleHearts]

I wonder what would happen if you would compose something to a given range of prime numbers.

[@Andre-0207]

This theme so fire it burnt Avidya Forest fr

[@_Wanderer.]

I want to see your video about Raiden boss battle theme!! *-* Or Inazuma battle theme.

[@kijo9A]

please a music analisis of "combat beneath the waves" or enkanomiya battle theme 1

[@Riku-Leela]

Thats really cool actually tho

[@Svarttrost]

Could the cymbals be going backwards on the sequence? That's the feeling I get 🤔

[@Samizard]

Ohhh good point! That could be right

[@shapongking]

U should listen to caelestinum finale termini’s time signature.

[@ТкачПавло-ч1ч]

WHAT IS THE MELODY?????

[@akixavier]

Even after you explained the math, I still can't keep up to the beats. Must be very difficult to perform.

[@talamioros]

yeah there was an interview with the conductor or performer that said that song was the hardest to "get" during recording cuz it was constantly changing

[@LokiLeviah1337]

Music was always Math.. if you think about it.. Also.. you can't call this Video a Reaction Video anymore.. or just barely.. if you inform yourself about it to much..

[@hraesvelgr5130]

IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE

[@MegaMrASD]

I really appreciate it when they pull things like this off. A lot of math rock unfortunately feels contrived and complicated for the sake of being complicated. I really like that only the rhythm section is doing the math but you can still very easily tap out the 1/8th and quarter notes for the melody without issue even if you can’t perfectly predict the hits (which if you have played in sumeru long enough you can probably even predict that fairly well)

[@SlyHikari03]

Same. Tool does this a lot too

[@easytomove]

Yaaaakkk

[@fushi__]

Is that a fukin Jojo reference

[@Samizard]

Yes.

[@theamazingsomething7167]

Why is my guy using the golden ratio for the thumbnail?

[@Samizard]

Tell me you didn’t watch the video, read the title, or read the description without telling me you didn’t watch the video, read the title, or read the description.

[@theamazingsomething7167]

@@Samizard yes

[@dyastro7479]

Golden spiral is for art, fibonacci sequence is for music. Both the same thing in a way, but its math is used for different things. I think that's where the confusion is......

[@Tyhar0]

The golden ratio spiral is made up of quarter circles whose radius increases in units the same as in way the fibonacci sequence, and the ratio between each pair of numbers in the sequence gets closer and closer to the golden ratio the higher you go, thts y the golden ratio spiral is related to the fibonacci sequence