I Stopped Using Express.js: Because Bun and Hono 🔥

[@romank1ng528]

Amazing video! I don’t know if it’s just me but: being able to write your server logic in Typescript without extra tooling, the fact you can write JSX, just amazing, my only concern with these new and better technologies is compatibility with existing libraries and packages, maybe you could do a video addressing that

[@raident29]

JS developers change frameworks more often than they take a bath.

[@jotaroisdarius1918]

yeah this is getting rediculous lol

[@TolyaBogomolov]

Express.JS is 14 years old. So, this is a little bit concerning. How can a human being survive without showering for 14 years straight?

[@raident29]

@@TolyaBogomolov i see humor is lost to js devs

[@malcolmn.5222]

Why complain most of this stuff is free and you get to use something that you like.

[@AjayYoutube-rz2so]

Your content is really amazing, i would love to see a vite and hono full fledged tutorial.

[@ayushgogna9732]

i wanted to use hono for a time now but bun and hono combined looks crazy fun. I think the next project will be with bun and hono

[@zunnoorainrafi5985]

Bro will you make a full stack application using Bun, so that we can learn something from your experience

[@dinckelman]

The way you can learn from this experience is if YOU make a full-stack app using Bun. His knowledge isn’t magically transferred into your head

[@Agent_Six_]

Is it that you're not sure how full-stack works? Here. OPEN THE TERMINAL AND RUN > mkdir HotelTrivago > cd HotelTrivago > bun init > bun install express cors CREATE FILE CALLED "server.js" IN THE "HotelTrivago" FOLDER THEN BUILD AN API THAT SPITS OUT SOME TEXT USING THE BELOW CODE START CODE BLOCK const express = require('express'); const cors = require('cors'); const app = express(); app.use(cors()); app.get('/', (req, res) => { res.send("Trivago"); }); app.listen(3000, () => { console.log('listening on port 3000'); }); END CODE BLOCK BACK TO THE TERMINAL AND START UP THIS BAD BOY > bun server.js OPEN BROWSER AND GO TO 'localhost:3000/' AND BEHOLD, OUR SERVER/API HAS RESPONDED WITH THE WORD "Trivago" NOW WRITE A CLIENT APP THAT USES THIS API ENDPOINT CREATE AN "index.html" FILE ANYWHERE, OPEN WITH A TEXT EDITOR AND INSERT THIS MARKUP START MARKUP BLOCK async function clickityclickity() { let response = await fetch('localhost:3000'); let data = await response.text(); document.querySelector('p').innerHTML = data; } Hotel? Click Me END MARKUP BLOCK NOW OPEN "index.html" WITH A BROWSER CLICK THE BUTTON AND BEHOLD THE "Hotel?" TURNS INTO A "Trivago" FULL STACK, BABY

[@koteelok2014]

Yo, can't wait for Hono+Vite+React setup tutorial!

[@armandsalle8447]

I've tried a couple of time to make it works but failed! Can't wait to see the video!

[@jarnathan-snow]

Man just ditch React and Client frameworks once and for all. You have JSX on the server with these. What else do you need?

[@voidmind]

I'd love to see that too. Where I work, we use Next.js (page router) for a big web app and the DX is terrible. The dev server crashed at least one a day and take close to 2GB of memory. All I care about in Next if getServerSideProps(), so if I could use something lightweight to replace it, that would be awesome.

[@ustav_o]

beth stack but hono ​@@jarnathan-snow

[@koteelok2014]

@alaskandonut yoooo, thx bud

[@aldrickdev]

the use of context reminds me of how Golang Web Frameworks like Gin and Echo work. Pretty nice!

[@gusparr28]

Same here! I was looking for this comment

[@Marujah07]

Amazing! We’re waiting for a full Tutorial ;-)

[@cartermckay1509]

Thanks!

[@VictorMongi]

Hello sam, how about ElysiaJs?

[@gadgetboyplaysmc]

Have you tried Elysia? The DX is really amazing

[@jarnathan-snow]

it is not. Have you tried nesting guards?

[@killerdroid99]

​@@jarnathan-snowyh that's a chore but I prefer beforehandle function

[@rmnkot]

It would be great to see the performance part in comparison with express, fastify on node to understand the capabilities of this modern framework

[@blender_wiki]

Google is your friend: "Node.js vs Deno vs Bun: Express hello world server benchmarking"

[@kodekorp2064]

While bun is great, Bun is still reliant on one primary developer. I love bun and will continue to use it for smaller projects or side projects, but until it becomes reliable longevity wise, I prefer to stay with the standard tech for now for business focused work.

[@WillDelish]

Luckily hono supports node too

[@uchennaofoma4624]

​@@WillDelishtrue

[@juststudying1019]

JS developers are sick to be honest they always run for new things without any need, searching for the perfect library or runtime or framework and they never find one or will. I am a js developer but the community is just too much, and I am not against developing more libraries that are better, but not hundred of solutions for the same problem and most of them are the same

[@pmrebel2733]

Today bun is good tomorrow there is something better and we all abandon bun😢

[@SirusStarTV]

​@@juststudying1019 i want programming/computer things to not change for years, to not be deprecated. For programs/games to work on any future computers. For things to be reproducable on any computers.

[@Hut-181]

What about the server folder you created at the start, Sam? 😁

[@henriquematias1986]

I always use a library called "nock" for writing tests for HTTP requests so i can mock external http requests in the "network" level. would be nice to see if that works out of the box or if there are some other library that can do that. would be wicked.

[@fullstack_journey]

Subscribed for the hono+vite magic that you'll drop

[@sujjee]

Hey sam please make a comparison between Hono and ElysiaJS

[@whodoneitx2x]

Could you make a video integrating tRPC with hono?

[@cyrilgeorge7818]

You know what I have an old express project, I will try migrating it to bun + hono . Want to see what are the gotchas in this combo.

[@ainulyaqin1958]

that absolutely look great!, would be nice to see hono - monorepo tutorial :D

[@1apostoli]

Someone lmk what extension is showing errors right from inline

[@danvilela]

Hono seems cool, but after Sveltekit I can’t see me using another tool for api

[@shouryansharma]

error: Cannot find module "react/jsx-dev-runtime" from "/Users/sam/Documents/server/src/app.tsx"

[@xzex2609]

wow this is awesome , specially the ability to write jsx ( I don't hate ejs but i wish that if it was jsx ) in the template engine. I hope to see more on this matter especially from you that obviously are very good at explaining . thanks bro

[@brtk7]

Could you compare Hono and tRPC? It appears they both have similar capabilities. Thanks!

[@pedapudiraviteja7388]

Which cli and cli font are you using? I'm so obsessed with the fonts, ain't I?

[@kamalkamals]

hono still has a loooot of issues like websocket implement and graphql like yoga with enable ws ...etc, so i cannot recommend hono for now

[@franka1154]

Sam- It seems that since this video was posted, Hono has changed a bit, requiring its "helpers" -- which include: stream(), streamText() and streamSSE() -- to now be imported (i.e.: import { stream, streamText, streamSSE } from 'hono/streaming') for your streaming example @T=3:35 to work. Otherwise, well done!! Thanks.

[@npx_riff_lift-g]

Same here. Bun + Hono is such a nice combo. Easy to work with, and holy f-- it’s performant.

[@thequang9234]

amazing demonstration Sam!

[@blkgames1447]

What about elysia? Can you also review that project?

[@jaymartinez311]

Tutorial for hono/vite if possible. Idk if you already did it but thanks ahead of timeif you are thinking about it.

[@mehedihasanridoy1086]

What about database operations? I used it around 10 month ago. Only problem in that time i found is that db operation. I need to use totally raw operation. Express has mongoose ODM but i Don't find similar that

[@elephant_888]

I’ve used Prisma with hono and bun. No problem.

[@mehedihasanridoy1086]

@@elephant_888 can you share the setup docs?

[@SamMeechWard]

try out drizzle.team

[@hugodsa89]

Dude, super well paced and explained, mint.

[@JohnMcclaned]

How do you feel about there only being basically 1 contributor to bun? Do you still recommend bun for production even though it doesn't pass the bus test?

[@perc-ai]

Nope use deno …

[@ArielBenichou]

ok you've sold me! next project will be with hono (bun i already use :D)

[@davidhombe2313]

Gratefull, I'll waiting for your tutorial using Hono🤩

[@chiqui1234ok]

Thanks for showing the basic for a fresh start. Cheers!

[@ArielBenichou]

do you have a video about exposing an ML (AI) model thourgh a JS/TS API?

[@TianYuanEX]

Can hono be used in non serverless environments? Because if it can't how would you implement socket connections or anything that needs a longer connection

[@cholasimmons]

Are you able to run a successful docker build with Bun? I've been bashing my head for the past 6 versions

[@patrick_kabwe]

Hi Sam, have you built a production app with bun? if yes how has been your experience?

[@SamMeechWard]

It’s been awesome, only great things to say about using bun. I’ve been deploying to fly.io.

[@patrick_kabwe]

@@SamMeechWard Wow! will definitely try it. Thanks

[@mdmathewdc]

Definites on what a production app is - if you mean an app with thousands of live users, then Bun isn't stable for that.

[@patrick_kabwe]

@@mdmathewdc Please share your experience.

[@blender_wiki]

We have few public API running with bun, it is just great.

[@anasaitzouinet9699]

im always wanting to try bun , but i don't know if its stable for production yet or not

[@harryzachariou1]

This is great! Is there support to integrate Bun into a AWS lambda runtime and Hono into an AWS lambda proxy?

[@domw2391]

How hono vs Elysia?

[@faahkoo]

looks so cool! I'm gonna try it out for sure, thanks for the info!

[@carlosricardoziegler2650]

How about ElisiaJS ? Some insights ?

[@shiningview]

Its developed by one person. Just like express.js

[@ashimov1970]

why hono, not bun-native elysia?

[@zenithdevgroup]

Have they solved Bun not working with SSH-ed25519? I couldn't use Bun due to my SSH dependencies not working with it.

[@vickylance]

what about security like helmet plugin?

[@BunnyMolester]

Hey Sam, how can we connect to a database while calling APIs

[@exapsy]

amazing, seems like something's great is growing out of bun. im excited to see where it will go.

[@brunoacev]

that is soo good dud, i see yesterday.

[@elephant_888]

There’s a Safari bug that prevents Bun web servers from successfully sending binary downloads like images and files to that web browser. 😢

[@ayushgogna9732]

can you also make a video on elysiajs and bun

[@MattChinander]

Where can this be deployed?

[@Malcolm777-i]

Is Bun.serve() necessary? when already using bun run --hot src/index.ts??

[@aprilm2941]

You had me at “Because Bun” it’s always about the bun

[@seoky6]

Have you tried ElysiaJS?

[@Fullflexno]

Super Cool video! Subbed!

[@misterlinuxfriendly947]

Nice intro! Well done.

[@jjrise]

we need more Hono videos! this was great!

[@crimsonautumnsun]

How does it compare to Elysia?

[@ronaldtejada8846]

I'm interested in hono + react app and how the live together and interact

[@kasper369]

do you think hono is production read?

[@LeoWasHere1]

can jsx work with htmx this way?

[@uchennaofoma4624]

One of the issues i still have with the validator is that your validator has to return strings (if you try a number itll just throw a ts error)

[@WillDelish]

Looove hono + bun combo. Also sprinkle some htmx and its pretty magical

[@SamMeechWard]

Don’t forget drizzle

[@NattaWang]

bun update command not update version numbers in package.json in my local, do you know how to fix it?

[@rohantunikipat6843]

Such a amazing tutorial

[@crimsonautumnsun]

Is it sending a Server Sent Event stream with the stream.write stuff?

[@tinypell3ts]

Great video! I would love to see a Hono, Vite, React tutorial.

[@natainditama]

How about koa js. It's like similar with hono right ?

[@makisetakashi]

how to handle concurrency or multithread using Hono ?

[@danlazer741]

I do trpc with zod and I don't get why I should use hono or bun unless there's a trpc hono adapter

[@danlazer741]

And the fact I get 0 users lol

[@7doors847]

Great, as always. ✌️

[@DoudouCircus]

That is very cool I usually use python for backend development but I am excited to try hono and bun

[@Gadrawingz]

The future of us!

[@flipperiflop]

Damn, Hono looks incredible!

[@chiqui1234ok]

Hi again, I'm testing Bun and I already setted up half of JWT. But right now I want to make my register and login routes. Finded out c.req.query('user') and c.req.query('password') didn't retrieve anything. I'm sending those two variables through Postman in form-urlencoded (as always). Anybody finds the solution? In Node + Express was app.use(express.json()) in the main javascript file, but here I don't know if I need some method like this, or maybe I'm doing something wrong... Thanks

[@chiqui1234ok]

Data though params (GET variables) works ok.

[@chiqui1234ok]

Ok, I get body/post/form-urlencode variables thanks to: await c.req.parseBody() or: await c.req.formData() That's weird AF, anyone has another way to get form data? This way I showed you, looks sketchy. I never needed a Promise to get form data in NodeJs+Express lol

[@chiqui1234ok]

in "Validation" section they didn't mention (and even the data model seems different) we need to get body/form data in the way I showed you. :O Damn, something it's looking bad haha

[@nathanschmidt1988]

What clipboard manager to copy paste is he using?

[@SamMeechWard]

alfred

[@limpep]

how does this compare to fastify?

[@chhinsras]

how to make something like nodemon with hono + node

[@haroonalbar2725]

awesome content . subbed :)

[@Meuhandle]

Do you get any memory leaks?

[@CSkyGameGen]

Yes we would love a tutorial on vite and hono please 🙏

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

why use this over next js

[@darkoplax7688]

I wish Bun had Windows and Nextjs support ... hopefully soon

[@fabrice9848]

Just quit using Windows and start using Linux, you'll thank me later.

[@zb2747]

Being able to serve HTML using JSX instead of EJS or other template language is so good!!!

[@DaxSudo]

yea i tried this ~ 12 - 18 months ago but couldnt stick w it for larger stuff glad the ecosystem has improved w it

[@easywest1]

Hono is awesome! Would love seeing more content on hono

[@superslash946]

Pardon my incompetence, but why would you want to send jsx as a response?

[@shantanukulkarni007]

If you have a frontend in react then the frontend developer can simply make an empty page and backend developer can send some custom jsx webpage as a response, to be displayed in that empty frontend page. This could be very useful for authentication purpose

[@2u841r]

Theme name please?

[@lukor-tech]

The client/server type safety is a nice feature!

[@debadipti]

Hey Sam! Great video as always! I am curious how this works with bigger projects where I have JSX templates and layouts just like Next, but without all the hassle, it just renders HTML. I would appreciate if you could make a longer video on that.

[@SamMeechWard]

It’s not opinionated like next, so you would just have to create your own layout components. You could make it work however you want but you wouldn’t get default caching behaviour or default 404 or error pages.

[@debadipti]

I don't think 404 pages or error pages are that much difficult to handle. But I can't say the same about caching. Caching seems very hard. If you could make a video on caching different parts of your website i.e mixing database caching, CDN caching and all that good stuff, that would be really good. @@SamMeechWard

[@pixelriegel]

how do you deploy Hono. I tried it but I have no clue how.

[@SamMeechWard]

Depends on where you want to deploy. I think one of the easiest solutions is to use fly.io If you use their CLI, you just run `fly deploy`

[@pixelriegel]

I wanted to use it in a Docker Container to selfhost in a cluster @@SamMeechWard

[@kurniamassidik5798]

since i only new about express js, could be more risk to implement this to my project, but i will try my best to use it from my next project

[@ChrisJaydenBeats]

Hono is beautiful. Been using it so much.

[@lastink444]

Would be nice to see more vids on this topic

[@damianjanus1990]

More bun and Hono please! Maybe build full rest api with swagger, mongo and some sort of autorization it is be nice