The Lowest Scoring Loco | Heljan 1361 Class | Unboxing & Review

[@Avonvalley1]

I do design for a living, and this could not had been prototypes or tested properly. The tolerances and the construction shows no research and development went into these locos. I share your frustration Sam!

[@SamsTrains]

I'm so glad a professional agrees - I was beginning to think it was me with the problem! I'm shocked and horrified by this one! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Avonvalley1]

Sam'sTrains I can happily go through the reasons for all the faults in this model. It’s cheaply manufactured and the design process was too short. Then when I hear the rrp, ugh.

[@drosera88]

@@Avonvalley1 It goes beyond just bad research, design, or testing. At best, Heljan's management is incompetent and out of touch with their customers. At worst, Heljan is running 'bait and switch' operation. The bait being the high price tag, which makes customers think they are getting a high quality model, and the switch being the low quality model they actually get.

[@bjmorley]

DJM announced one at the same time, and bar the incorrect splashes is a lot better model.

[@richardwebb387]

@@bjmorley Currently available from Kernow at £69.99.

[@thecpmr6276]

"British man politely scolds small locomotive using his inside voice"

[@awesomealbertt1150]

“British man politely scolds small _model_ locomotive using his inside voice”

[@iainbruce3376]

Us Brits are excellent at being polite, yet savage.

[@TheTTTEFan]

@@iainbruce3376 except for Mr Ramsey

[@LeshaunDinglenutfan7095]

That should be an alternate title because it's hilarious Lololololololololol

[@Ethan55035]

"If I'm completely honest, I'm getting lowkey triggered at this" The most brittish frustration

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! xD

[@realcanadian67]

More like Canadian

[@GaryNumeroUno]

It's more frustrating when people cannot spell 'British' correctly... what?

[@Ethan55035]

@@GaryNumeroUno good on you for correcting a 1 month old comment. I do find myself frequently making that mistake and will be sure to remember Gary, and correct the error.

[@GaryNumeroUno]

@@Ethan55035 it's all good my friend. Thanks for your tolerance... just pride in my heritage! Stay safe.

[@rlinders9972]

Sam: “My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.”

[@SamsTrains]

You're absolutely right actually :'(

[@diesel4192]

R Linders I see what you did there!

[@Bassotronics]

TheReportOfTheWeek

[@solar_9878]

@@SamsTrains and my wallet is angry

[@harrisongrant8558]

You know it's bad when the best compliment you can give is about the brackets on the coal bunker.

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely right!! xD

[@steverussell2770]

❤️

[@solar_9878]

i cant not laugh ppl are roasting this thing

[@cardboardmehmehmo]

When he said "Quarter-Assed" I completely died.

[@SamsTrains]

haha! xD

[@barryosullivan5255]

Heljan took Sam's review of the LNER tango, scrutinized over it. Thought long and hard and eventually, after long long hours of sweat and determination they achieved what nobody else thought possible. Some called them crazy but they did it. No longer would they listen to the LNER tango being acclaimed as the worst loco ever being produced by a questionable company. They saw the challenge, starred it straight in the eye and said, we can do worse.

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're absolutely right Barry - at this point, no theory is too ridiculous ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

"So, the theme today is locos that are cheaper, and better than this one" What an absolute burn.

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you sir! ;D

[@sdmedia1323]

“Alan the Heljan, was a showoff.” “He was a lazy bum, who never pulled his weight on this railway.” “He rode roughly and constantly stopped, to prevent taking trains he didn’t want to take.” “One day, manager told him he was going to make him useful at last.” “What did the manager do with him?” “He partly dismantled him, taking away his wheels and removing his motor. They turned him into a pumping engine.” “He’s still their behind the goods shed, he’ll never move again.” “Our manager wouldn’t be that cruel, would he?” “No, you got me there. *He chucked him down the stairs and used the remains for set dressing.”*

[@EvexiansVideoworks]

O U C H . Goddamn! That was fitting!

[@user-sd7qo7qe4v]

I wish someone made an accurate one. I really like 1361s.

[@SamsTrains]

Me too -hopefully Hornby or Oxford will do a proper job of this one day ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jamesbeeston671]

Kernow models do one .

[@JChristiansenLuckythebrony2222]

@@SamsTrains Or Rapido

[@amazi6542]

I have excellent news.

[@comet_crash]

Honestly, this would be a great loco to weather. A bit of dirt and rust would hide and/or compliment some of its blemishes quite well. You could even do it up as an engine that's being sent for scrap. Then put in another consist like its being pulled, that would hide how fast this loco needs to go to not die on points.

[@SamsTrains]

Yes that's a good point - it would be a good one to weather! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@johncarlin5713]

Excellent review Sam. I bought one of these at Model Rail Scotland last weekend and returned it the next day. The finish was terrible and after running in gently for 20 minutes the motor burned out. Before dying, it stuttered and stopped constantly on slow running and was really noisy. Bought a Hornby Fowler 4P tank instead and that is fantastic - plus it was £13 cheaper!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot John - so sorry to hear about that, but certainly not surprised - very poor models indeed! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@a.z.pantera5577]

Duck the Great Western Engine: "There are two ways of doing things: the Great Western way, or the wrong way..." I would say 'the wrong way" is an understatement with this one XD

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're right there mate! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@CookieCookGames]

You forgot the max power way... that’s the wrong way only faster

[@lukeslocomotives]

Me: SaM tHaT iS tHe BeSt LoCoMoTiVe I hAvE eVeR sEeN! Viewers: *Loud screeching noises*

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@chrome_fox6732]

Me: looks at thumbnail, "It doesn't look that bad" Video: Me: Dies

[@SamsTrains]

haha exactly!! ;D

[@Alpha-oo8]

I would like to see a re-review of this someday, because in reflection this almost seems a generous score

[@samgarnett9174]

I nearly spat my cup of tea out when I heard the price 😂

[@SamsTrains]

I'm not surprised - it's shocking isn't it?! ;D

[@kristianskou8338]

Regular Heljan price and opposed to the 400pound dsb litra E it actually runs

[@Radical2090]

This model is so impressive *if this was 1975* The most likes ive ever gotten

[@dsmx85]

Probably would of been all metal if it was made in 1975.

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

Eat your cereal

[@Radical2090]

Oh yeah eat your cereal sam

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@lukeslocomotives]

1975 is really pushing it even 1920 is still pushing it too much

[@Steves00gauge]

Tune into sams trains next week where he runs this loco with dapols amazing egg vans he got in a sale and watch him have a massive fit

[@kyle5674]

Double head this and the Tango, with the egg vans

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@nicholassammons3881]

I am thinking of getting this model and putting the body and running board on an electrotren chassis.

[@lukeslocomotives]

Hmmm.... yes same here

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea - that could be an interesting project! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@railfan2822]

First and last Heljin loco I got was one of these. Suffice to say, my experience was similar to yours, with the added bonus of one of the front buffers being missing. On the bright side, I took it back to the dealer and got a full refund. Even gave me a slight discount on a Hornby terrier. Best little loco I have.

[@SamsTrains]

Blimey mate, sorry to hear that - they are shocking :'( Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@solar_9878]

frustrating

[@henryroe16]

I saw the title of this video and immediately knew it was a must watch ! And not disappointed at all :)! Guilty pleasure in hearing Sam rightly give out about inferior Locos !

[@SamsTrains]

haha thanks Henry - it's the only way to derive any pleasure from models like this ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@adamrushton1740]

For this Summer, run the Heljan Tango double headed with the 1361 class in your paddling pool full of water

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's very tempting ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheElDoctoro24]

The running board is bent, do they coke with Mazak Rot from factory

[@anynamegamer-su6mk]

19:36 In usual heljan style it broke off. That made me laugh so much for some reason. Also this model is probably the worst every seen, a cheap plastic kids toy made to be thrown around is probably better than this.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - I admit I laughed when it came of too - I barely touched it! You're right - it's awful! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@PieAndChips]

even the worst Tri-ang is still better than this.

[@whispersinthedarkasmr2436]

And the doubleheader with the steam sentinel and J 94 is pulling ocean wagons, mail coaches, some ventilated Vans, egg vans, and all the tankers you have. The B12 and 4Mt pulling Pullman and tieks coaches along with LMS and Caledonian railway coaches.

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea - I'd love that!! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@wellsworthjunction]

I think it looks good Update: after watching this one, I'll take the heljan tango

[@SamsTrains]

haha - I honestly think I'd take the tango too! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@thatoneguy2793]

Same thing here, I'd Rather have the tango over the 1361 anyday

[@EtBEF_02]

Yea

[@TidmouthSheds]

You just ROASTED this model

[@davidknowles2491]

@@TidmouthSheds It was so deserved though. I mean I have a 50 year old Airfix Prairie that's far superior to this.

[@willsteuer1621]

Just this past week I added a Heljan 1361 Class to my model RR. I am located in the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin, USA, and bought my 1304 GWR 0-6-0ST, no. 1363 in BR Black from 'Rails of Sheffield'. (99 quid). My engine is quite different from your review. Parts fitting and paint was pristine and flawless. It is a good and quiet runner. For motor access I believe if you take off the cab and the front boiler, the saddle tank slides either to the front or back to access the motor. I added DCC and sound with a Zimo MX648F Sound decoder. Works wonderful with all sounds and a super slow crawl (there is a function to run the engine at 1/2 speed). I would rate this engine 8.5-8.8 range.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear yours was much better Will - yes that's how you get to the motor, but it's much easier said than done! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@mohammadshahid9877]

I love my dj models 1361, very smooth and controlled when run in, though the weight can let it down a bit. Brill model though and on regular rotation on my layout.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear that - I'll have to give those a try! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@otakurailfan]

Well I have a proper name for this loco. "Wicked of the West".

[@olliemckprice9428]

For a price like that it should be all metal looks great though- loved the review -Ollie

[@SamsTrains]

I agree Ollie - if Hornby can make a Peckett B2 for £110, and make it metal - why can't Heljan?! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@whispersinthedarkasmr2436]

And the 4f and Midland compound pulling cattle vans, the TTS sound van, the long ventilated vans, removable top Vans, flatbeds along with cargo inside all of the trucks

[@SamsTrains]

Good one mate!! :D

[@therealvbw]

My two brand new hornby 0-6-0s have failed after 3 months, it'd be interesting to see how long these go for!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh sorry to hear that - they should have a 6 month warranty - hopefully you can send them back to the retailer? Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@kaydensrailway5594]

Here's an idea to punish it: Go to a heritage railway, and throw it down a steam locomotive's firebox!

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh that's a solid suggestion! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@iaingardener9268]

Another really useful video Sam, when I heard the price my flabber has never been so gasted!

[@SamsTrains]

haha mine too Iain - shocking stuff! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@colinking8374]

To be fair, as a static model viewed from a distance with your glasses off im sure it would look stunning. I would definitely be sending it back, its just insulting what Heljan want you to pay. One to totally avoid. Thanks for the warning Sam.

[@marktheron7373]

Hi sam thanks for doing a good job with your channel. There might be a screw under the steam dome to get the boiler off the Heljan 1361 you probably have see this

[@SamsTrains]

My pleasure Mark, thanks so much! Yes there may have been - I removed all the screws I could see though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@dekhrahahoon]

Hi Sam, I have the pannier tank version of this one, with the same mechanism. I discovered as you did that the baseplates have no "give" at all. I inserted thin plastic film so I could tighten the screws. But then I discovered that one of the front screws is not in the correct place, and when inserted, causes the baseplate to twist. One has to widen the hole in the baseplate for that screw so it doesn't get twisted, as that jams the mechanism even if it feels OK. After fixing that and very carefully adjusting each power pickup, it became a good runner with lots of hauling power. The coupling mountings are the correct height, but with so much slack that the coupling dangles, and then to make matters worse the coupling 'stalk' has a downstep in it! The coupling passes entirely below a correctly fitted coupling on another vehicle. You have to put in quite a bit of effort to remove all slack and then replace the bit of tat they call a coupling with a proper one. After all that, it works well. But it should have done that out of the box. And mine at least has wonderful sound - smooth and high quality. I get the feeling they have wonderful modellers making the basic visual design, but slovenly, incompetent implementation and production. When the first prototype came out, they should have fixed the baseplates and couplings before ordering mass production.

[@SamsTrains]

That sounds like a good fix - great idea there, shame it's necessary though! I'd agree with that whole heartedly - the implementation was a joke!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@drosera88]

Wow. Those rear windows are killing me. I thought maybe they were supposed to be some sort of corrugated glass/plastic but looking up pictures of the real loco (and much better scratch builds and kit builds other modelers have made) shows Heljan was trying to simulate metal bars across the windows! Definitely unacceptable for a model that costs over $200 USD, even if it is just a small engine. Also, that middle axle looks bent since one of the wheels clearly wobbles when you were running it upside down.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh really?! That's awful then, what were they thinking?! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@steamandsmoke97]

Allan Straight Link Valve Gear is basically a combination of Stephenson and Gooch, though the expansion link is not curved like Stephenson, hence "Straight Link". To reduce cutoff or change the engine's direction, not only the position of said link is raised or lowered (a la Stephenson), but also the valve rod which now becomes a quasi-radius rod of sorts (like Gooch or Walschaerts). This is accomplished by dual lifting links that are attached to a "Double Bell Crank" which sort of resembles a see-saw. When the link goes up, the radius rod goes down, and vice versa.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted mate, thanks very much for the info! Cheers, Sam :)

[@TheRiverLeW]

Why are we still even bothering with Heljan?

[@SamsTrains]

At this point I'm just trying to spread the word about this junk! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@PieAndChips]

We're insufferably British

[@Signerdragon123]

@@SamsTrains If you could get them for cheap, I could see a subseries on this channel dedicated to ripping most of them to shreds verbally (and maybe hopefully find one or two good ones).

[@mickb4255]

Think the point is without these sort of reviews folks would buy them based on a photo in a catalogue. Well done and thanks Sam.

[@halfofacouch2397]

If you live in the U.S.A, then you have Life Like Model Trains. They are really cheap in quality, but they are also pretty cheap in price. However, I honestly think Life Like is better then Heljan.

[@lukeslocomotives]

Is the windmill broke? It looked like it was cutting out

[@SamsTrains]

It was broke yeah - I've repaired it now though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheBrickGuy7939]

It does look a lot like Percy.

[@SudderyStationMaster]

out of curiosity would you ever do a comparison between this one and the Dj Models version?

[@SamsTrains]

I'm hoping to yeah! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Drifted_Rail]

Watching this video again reminds me of something, there are models out there that are objectively being treated worse than this, if you're a hardcore Thomas fan, you'll know what I'm talking about, if you don't, I'll explain. There's a theme park somewhere in the UK called Drayton manor Thomas land, it's essentially a theme park for Thomas the tank engine, in that park, there is an exhibit called; "Discover Thomas and Friends" Basically, what it is, it's a shed that displays some the props from the TV show that they used in seasons 1-12. (Yes they used custom-made Gauge 1 model trains for a TV show. Mindblowing huh?) Anyway, getting back to my original point, the props being displayed at Drayton manor... Are treated WORSE than the Heljan 1361 class you showed in this video sam. If you want proof to show I'm not lying, here is said proof; kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXekgXWQlJZnjKc What's worse is that these are models that are custom made, they are one-of-a-kind models, they should NOT be treated in such a shoddy state! They were not designed to sit in a shed with natural light and no temperature control. I imagine the recent warmer weather over there in the UK hasn’t helped. I'll stop ranting about this now because you probably get the point by now... I hope. So yeah, I've seen worse model trains than that green 1361 class, Sam.

[@JhonMayall]

Why is there such bad quality control.Are these just a few that have just slipped through.?

[@joshmason6177]

That was the saltiest running session theme ever

[@SamsTrains]

hahaha!! xD

[@yoniazrad429]

22:22 Sam I think I found the problem the coupling of the loco is lower which it's in the wrong height 19 making it more harder to couple up to other locos and rolling stock

[@TheOnlyHollywood1]

I'm having such a hard time thinking that professionals tested this model and decided it was ready for release. This is hurting my brain just as much as thinking that producers could have okayed the final takes for Metallica's "Lulu" I was expecting it to burst into flames as it was running

[@SamsTrains]

I know right - it's crazy isn't it?! Hopefully this video will help to raise awareness! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@TheOnlyHollywood1]

@@SamsTrains Are you going to return it?

[@F-S-G146]

I just came back to this video and back when this loco was the evil of the hobby

[@Gatherleymodeller.]

Now it is the bachmann collet class!!

[@rubysrailvideos0261]

Wow, Heljan just can't make great good steamers consistently, can they? Overpriced, too.

[@SamsTrains]

I've certainly never seen a good one - the Garratt was okay, but that's all! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@nicholassammons3881]

@ss that sounds like a very good idea!

[@imaginebeinggood3471]

ss the people who build the kits could probably get a better quality model themselves

[@nicholassammons3881]

@ss what kind of kits do djh sell, engines, coaches, or wagons?

[@rynodynomyte2755]

Beautiful model Sam! This is one of the two engines that Percy is a hybrid between the other being 1340 Trojan! Only 5 built, we’re very lucky to have a preserved example!

[@SamsTrains]

I don't think so Ryno! We are lucky to have a real one preserved though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@JustinFrazier_360]

That was amazing sam

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate! :D

[@PRR6110]

Not to be confused with the prr K4

[@allentorres2066]

16:00 Horseshoe and air brakes, eat your heart out. *Tightens axels to the chassi* In all seriousness though, Ever considering a refund Sam?

[@SamsTrains]

haha absolutely!! I thought about it - but I'm going to keep it for other 'projects' ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@therebornnewb0980]

@@SamsTrains Set it on fire!

[@kiwitrainguy]

It's an expensive way to get raw materials for your "experiments".

[@gwyneddboom2579]

It's so cute! The Allan valve gear looks a lot like Stephensons. It was very common on NS tank engines. On the 7700 and the 6500 classes, you can clearly see it. Examples are 7742 Bello and 6513, both at the Stoomtram Hoorn-Medemblik.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for the comment mate, and the info! :D Cheers, Sam :)

[@Fabian06]

Actually, Thats My Favorite Gwr Engine

[@thebritishbuilder6251]

Meaning?

[@Fabian06]

@@thebritishbuilder6251 meaning what?

[@David_Twomey]

@@Fabian06 he means that it does not make the model better

[@thebritishbuilder6251]

Indeed.

[@SamsTrains]

That's okay - they're lovely engines, just not lovely models in my opinion! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MrJohnJames1988]

Send it back but instead of returning the loco, just take a crap in the box and see if they notice the difference 🤣

[@SamsTrains]

haha - if I did that, they'd claim there was nothing wrong with the model, and wonder why I'd returned it! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@elizabetharas5748]

Can it survive 20 hits from a sledge hammer? That's a very good question.

[@Nova_Blaze]

The worst part is I meant to joke in the last video that I was amazed there wasn't a Heljan loco at the bottom of the ranks. And then THIS comes along. Good lord, I dont think I've EVER seen you give less than a two star on ANYTHING, and this earned two one star ratings. That's the kind of quality I expect from the 25 dollar train set at Walmart, not a 160 pound model. Anyway, I'll stop ranting now. Still a good video Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

haha blimey that's ironic - yes it had to happen sooner or later ;) You're right - even for $25 this would be bad ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gerrard1144]

"who designed this?" Apple maybe?

[@SamsTrains]

haha - an apple-designed loco would be awesome! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@dommassey1249]

If Apple designed a loco it would be expensive but pretty good I’d think. Bachmann + Apple collaboration?

[@SqueezeboxOfDelights]

Ah yes. And £999.99 extra couplings...

[@SqueezeboxOfDelights]

@Laquelectro and they would end up making it accidentally look like a cheese grater.

[@SqueezeboxOfDelights]

@Laquelectro Available in O, OO and N.

[@Jambandit15]

Your videos are bad ass and very enthusiastic brother. My drunk Texan self always enjoys learning new things about model scale trains. Cant wait to build my own!

[@SamsTrains]

Appreciate it man, hope you get your own built some time! Cheers, Sam :)

[@Jambandit15]

@@SamsTrains yes sir. I found the Steven's rocket for less then $100. I'm fittin to hop on that deal quick. Cant wait for your live stream tomorrow brother!!

[@limey625]

*sees thumbnail* Oh boy

[@SamsTrains]

haha! ;D

[@SamsTrains]

Alert alert!

[@lukeslocomotives]

8:26 actually the baracaldo was that price and even that didnt have that

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're right!! ;D

[@SpartanA054Moose]

Sam you must be the national archiver historian of model trains by now! 🤣

[@SamsTrains]

haha thank you - I don't know about that! ;D

[@robmasterman]

My goodness Sam, I'm lost for words...It's a big thanks to you, that prospective buyers of this loco, now know in advance to to touch it with a Barge Board...Bob

[@SamsTrains]

Cheers Bob - unfortunately I can't recommend this one - glad you agreed mate! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@therailwayseriesstoryteller]

That price for... That? Boy, has April Fools come early this year...

[@SamsTrains]

Yes indeed - way too early ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@whispersinthedarkasmr2436]

Can you do a running session with the steam sentinel double heading with the j 94 saddle tank , 4f double heading with the Midland compound , and the B12 double heading with 4Mt tender locomotive

[@SamsTrains]

Great idea mate, I can try that some day! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@vinnyzammit1738]

Heljan honestly seems like a scam at the moment, trying to sell as a high class (and price) model, but giving toy quality. Just an unfunny joke.

[@SamsTrains]

haha they're definitely bordering on that territory - I genuinely thought I was buying a quality model with that RRP! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@steakandcake]

Sounds a bit like the current situation with Thomas & Friends merchandise. (Excluding brands like Bachmann) The quality of Thomas merchandise has been abysmal as of the last 5 years and it’s been getting a lot more expensive.

[@barryosullivan5255]

Like Bachmann overcharge but at least there is a good model at the end of their work. With Heljan, you get either a garratt or a tango/1361

[@internetguy7965]

Their non-steam stuff is decent though.

[@barryosullivan5255]

@@internetguy7965 true but that is no excuse for their steam stuff

[@heritagerailwayproductions1885]

I fully agree. Mine was just as bad. I got mine a couple of years ago and the body was covered in scratches and marks. And to access the motor you have to bend the water tank around the sides of the weight.

[@SamsTrains]

So sorry to hear that mate - so they've always been like this then?! Blimey that sounds like a nightmare! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@heritagerailwayproductions1885]

@@SamsTrains Indeed they have. It's just the poor quality and assembly

[@SammyBFilms]

You should do a part 2 and do an interview with the designers/the boss!! :-)

[@spuds4t]

@john wilks Apparantly "Self Isolating"

[@SamsTrains]

They've mysteriously disappeared - they now manufacture aprons for the French culinary market! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@christopherstokes9393]

11:34 - The prototype had no inside cylinders (only two outside ones) - so, I wouldn't expect there to be any valve gear under there :P . (Doesn't save the model though, when it has so many problems in other areas!)

[@SamsTrains]

There should be valve gear though shouldn't there? As there's none on the outside! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@christopherstokes9393]

@@SamsTrains Fair point - looks like both the engine *and* my expectations are defective :P . And no problem!

[@lukeslocomotives]

Yes but which one is more of a RIP off: this of the railcar 1361 vs GWR diesel railcar

[@Avonvalley1]

It’s like giving us the blue and black dress question 😂

[@theretrocrowe9389]

I would say this. They are the same price but the railcar is bigger and is a better model

[@Avonvalley1]

The Retro Crowe that’s fair, but the lack of internal detail does balance it out in my opinion.

[@SamsTrains]

At least the railcar looked decent (mostly) - so this is the biggest rip off to me! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Sam that challenge with the red ruston shunter for hornby the other day did you keep the shunter

[@SamsTrains]

I still have it for now, but it will be going back when lockdown ends! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gregoryhale2202]

I have always found your assessment of locos fair and reasonable, so I`m guessing this one is abysmal. Cheers Greg

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks very much Gregory - I truly believe that this was disgraceful, but definitely make up your own mind based on the close ups! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@zachgreenninja3885]

On the Trimley main line i saw a green class 66 diesel and it had a loud horn that hurt my ears.

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh really?! You'll have to get some ear muffs! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Funniest 30 minutes of my entire life XD

[@SamsTrains]

haha glad you enjoyed it mate! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@internetguy7965]

Sad life

[@lukeslocomotives]

@@internetguy7965 no u r/woooooooosh

[@MrDavil43]

Mine arrived today and there is nothing wrong with it...at £80 from Rails I think it's a good buy. Maybe quality control has been stepped up following your review, but I'm happy with this black e/e version.

[@SamsTrains]

Glad to hear you're happy with yours mate! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@SkyFire2112]

*looks at the locomotive* Aww that’s a cute tank engine *looks at the title* Ohhhhh nooooo *hears the RRP* Piss off with that nonsense

[@SamsTrains]

haha!! ;D

[@modelrailfan37]

Thank god for the DJM 1361 (not something you would expect to hear). When you said that you apologized if your tone was obnoxious I was dying of laughter, as to be quite honest the quality of the model is the most obnoxious thing I’ve ever seen in my life! I would not touch this thing with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole, and I can’t believe that you did not return this for a refund. I’ve seen bad models in my life, but nothing as horrid as this. Thank goodness Heljan have been starting to learn from their mistakes, (ie: GWR Railcar, ES-1 Electric, etc.) But with lemons like this model, the Class 17 and the Tango, I wonder some days how Heljan stay in business. Great review Sam, and keep up the good work!

[@Spud607]

150 quid for that. XD

[@SamsTrains]

I know!! Though that's the RRP mind you! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@williambabcoke248]

Meanwhile, I just payed $70 USD for a C&O H6 (2-6-6-2), with sound. This thing is massively over priced

[@alancarpenter2070]

Sam. Re:- My previous comments on the 1361. I was looking at them on the "Rails of Sheffield" website. They were selling them for £79:50p and I particularly like the 1370, Pannier Tank version so I chanced it and ordered one. It came today and it is perfect. No damage or glue marks and it creeps along very slowly straight out of the box, tested on my short straight test track. The sprung buffers work perfectly as well. I just thought you might be interested to hear of this. Sorry if it depresses you lol. Regards, Alan.

[@SamsTrains]

No problem Alan - really glad to hear yours was much better! Just don't take the thing apart - it'll spoil the illusion ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@alancarpenter2070]

@@SamsTrains OK, I won't. Alan :)

[@craigthelej]

I mean it's technically scamming

[@SamsTrains]

In my opinion it's approaching that territory - appalling! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@jameswells6003]

@@SamsTrains Isn't this libelous?

[@ivovanzon164]

Well it's a Heljan, not having round wheels is a thing there... As is leaving a trail of parts. Locomotives with unpainted wheel centers do exist, like the Swiss 01 202. Also some DB class 23's did at some point in time have blank wheel centers.

[@SamsTrains]

haha very true! Though the 1361 certainly didn't have their axles showing ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@craigthelej]

Lesson learned: don't buy over-priced heljian

[@idonotlikeboats9328]

CraigTheLej not really.

[@jackobrien663]

@@idonotlikeboats9328 yes really

[@idonotlikeboats9328]

Jack O'Brien have you got any?

[@jackobrien663]

@@idonotlikeboats9328 no cause I sent them back

[@idonotlikeboats9328]

Jack O'Brien why?

[@thecpmr6276]

Sam is such a reasonable guy, I can tell this really let him down. I actually bought my first British loco because of him, and his review steered me in the right direction for what to get based on quality and price. Between you and me, as a kid I would've still loved that model. It's just a shame that the price is so bad. It'd be a cool starter model, maybe.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks mate, appreciate the kind words! I wouldn't recommend this model to anyone - there are far better starter engines to buy! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@bryanpalmer8111]

Hi Sam, thanks again for great video. It's because I have always bought Hornby or Bachmann .locos and Wrenn , but its good to see your reviews . Good advice thank you Sam Bryan

[@the4tierbridge]

Sam, I’ve always had a question that seems silly, but what exactly wheel bearings? It would be nice to know.

[@SamsTrains]

Check the princess video I did - you can see them on that model! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Steamtramman719]

Problems in the supply line from China, my daughter has had a sad email saying all the deliveries of her scenery materials to Australia have had to cease....logistical problems and the factory at GuangDong Province has had to close due to Corona.

[@SamsTrains]

This was purchased before the Corona outbreak - so that's no excuse ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@leilacentral1883]

Wow. But not a good wow but a shocking wow. Was considering getting one of these, glad I didn’t. An opportunity missed I’d say. I’m still hopeful heljan can produce a top quality model but it’s becoming harder to justify them. A Hornby 0-6-0 peckett would be a much better purchase and it’s cheaper! A great review Sam and keep up the great content. Clint

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Clint - yes I wouldn't recommend these to you! The Peckett is a far better purchase, by far! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@twistedaxles9126]

There's a connecting rod? I thought it was just siderods without the cylinder part.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they have connecting rods - they do nothing though of course, purely cosmetic! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stephenbourne4872]

Like many modern models looks good in places , runs ok but is too expensive for what it is. Servicing is hard or impossible. Can you imagine it in 20 years time ! I can service my Hornby pannier from 1973 which still runs well but this would end up just on display.

[@SamsTrains]

You're right Stephen - I'd hate to see this in 20 years time - shocking! They got it right in the 60s and 70s! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@MrNoUsername]

Fun fact: Percy's design from The Railway Series books does not resemble any real locomotive but he was originally supposed to be based on a GWR 1361 look-alike. In the end, he was based on a GWR no.1340 Trojan as the Rev Awdry wanted him to be from the very start. The Reverend stated that Percy probably begun as one of these saddle tank engines and was extensively rebuilt which is why he doesn't resemble any real loco design. His TV show model ended up being based on the GWR 1361

[@SamsTrains]

That's very interesting - thanks a lot for sharing this! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@alfiewenn9440]

removed heljan from my buying lists but what is amazing about that little wart of an engine is none of the detail fell off when you handled it unlike the diesels range

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Yknow, you have a funny sense of humour. Especially when irritated, it seems "You win some, or you lose some. And some, you throw down the stairs" had me literally LOL

[@SamsTrains]

haha glad you liked that - sorry about the anger, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@Avonvalley1]

Looking at the Heljan GWR 47xx ‘Night Owl’. The same RRP as this TANK ENGINE! I can see the same lack of quality in the manufacturing and “finishing”. In the photos on Hatton I can see marks and half cast cylinders. Hate to think about the mechanism.

[@SamsTrains]

Oh god yeah - I have a bad feeling about those too - probably won't be buying one any time soon ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@KiwiRailSpotter]

Cool news if you remember I mentioned the ex South African steam locos in Auckland city nz Well yesterday they moved 1 of them not to far away from where I live and this evening nz time they put the garratt loco on a massive truck and now they are sending it to a place to be restored then eventually the other 3 will be as well

[@KiwiRailSpotter]

Sorry for giant comment/statement but yeah it's really cool news

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh really?! I didn't know about that - so it's going to run again hopefully?! :O Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@DC4444]

1:25 It's also £100 more expensive than the Spanish locomotive. Edit: The gap around the dome combined with the colour makes it looks like they glued a toy soldier's hat on. Edit2: I have a Hornby Railroad tank engine that doesn't stop on every point and runs relatively well despite the layout I run it on being dirty sometimes (it's not my personal layout).

[@SamsTrains]

haha you're right - £110 to be precise! haha it really does look like a soldier's hat!! ;D Yes even the Railroad locos run better! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Is it wrong that I kinda want heljan to go bust or is that to harsh?

[@SamsTrains]

haha maybe that's too harsh - I hear some of their products are good! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Will you ever get another Heljan loco?

[@SamsTrains]

It's unlikely I'll get another steamer - but we'll see! Thanks for watching - Sam :)