Samsung Moohan vs Apple Vision Pro: My EXCLUSIVE Hands-On Insight

[@JasonHowell]

What is a price range for Project Moohan that makes sense when it releases in 2025?

[@thomasireland1770]

2k is sweet spot but 2.5k might be the reality

[@JasonHowell]

@thomasireland1770 man I dunno... I want to say $1500. But then I think of the fact that they have FOLDABLES that cost more than that, so...

[@c8tv1secundario54]

I'm just excited for it to get cheap over time, just like it was with android tv and regular android, like in 5 years i think

[@JasonHowell]

@c8tv1secundario54 it'll be a lot more developed by that time too.

[@matthijs8018]

The headstrap like meta quest and the apps could be a good sign I hope for 1500$ But could be 2k or more.

[@craiggmelville]

You mentioned the audio was built into the AVP, but said nothing about Samsung's prototype XR headset?

[@JasonHowell]

Yes there is audio built into the Samsung headset. I can't recall the exact configuration of it, but It sounded good to me ears during the demo which was in a pretty quiet room. No clue how it would compare to the AVP which I demoed in a very busy Apple store.

[@alonavrahami1046]

Hard for me to pay 2k-3.5k $ for this kind of device, while Meta have similar product in 300-500 $...

[@JasonHowell]

Totally understandable. I need to get a hold of the Quest 3 to compare to the Moohan to see if they might reside in different price categories.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Meta does not have a similar product, the resolution of meta devices is 1/3rd.. you can barely get 1080p video resolution. The resolution is not high enough for monitor replacement.

[@JasonHowell]

@@Nobody-Nowhere super curious about this. The Moohan can absolutely be used as a monitor replacement. That much I know.

[@Spatialdigitalmedia]

kind of strange for the Apple Store to tell you no recording, I have videotape where I have stood in there and walked around and was recording, and the manager was quite happy to see me wearing mind because everyone that comes in always carry their in their hands.

[@JasonHowell]

Yeah I was a little surprised too.

[@eighties8]

Jason, we must be brothers from another mother! I've found my new favorite YT channel. I was hoping someone would do this comparison. You took the initiative and I'm here for it man. I've done 4 in store vision pro demos myself! Although unlike you I haven't yet been able to test the Moohan headset. My main use case for VR is media consumption but I cannot justify the cost of AVP so I have a Quest 3 as the next best thing. I'm very much looking forward to hear you viewpoints here and if the Moohan device visuals are on par with AVP.

[@JasonHowell]

@@eighties8 I'm happy to deliver, man! Great to have you here. I think the Moohan will be a great media consumption device. Spatial audio, something I totally meant to mention in this video and didn't, really elevated the media experience on the muhan device. When I was sitting in the virtual Cinema room. It has me very excited to go back and re-enjoy some classic 3D movies in that environment.

[@CoolioBeans]

Dang it, I was expecting a hands-on exclusive...

[@JasonHowell]

Hey Coolio, I'd love to now what you think I should have called it. I went with hands on because it reflects my hands-on time with both devices, something most people haven't had. But I wasn't allowed to capture footage in either situation. Super curious to know what you would have preferred it to be called. LMK!

[@Lu.G.]

Woah...that price, tho! 😲 So fun and interesting to hear the comparisons! Thanks so much, great job! 👏🏻

[@JasonHowell]

Thank you Lu! Now I'm thinking about grabbing the Meta Quest 3 for comparison.

[@FranzSrambical]

Hi, is the pass-through better than that of the vision pro?

[@JasonHowell]

Both were pretty solid, though as I pointed out in this video, there was a frate rate flashing that my eyes saw immediately with the AVP that I didn't notice when I used the Moohan.

[@FranzSrambical]

@@JasonHowell Thanks. Was the eye tracking as precise on Moohan as on the AVP?

[@JasonHowell]

@FranzSrambical I noticed no difference between the two, except for the fact that the AVP calibration process was longer.

[@petergilbert8286]

Another great video 🙏🏻🙏🏻 Dare i say that I'm watching this on my pixel 2 using my 2nd Gen Google daydream?.... Yep I'm that guy who still has one of these(old apk files that still work-play movies/KZbin etc) Really interesting that the headsets of today'seem' to be extremely capable, but that the killer features are seemingly watching content and games. Thanks again Jason and keep up the great work

[@JasonHowell]

Hey if it works it works! I still have those Daydream views too, never use them though. Yes so much of these devices seems to be about the media consumption aspect. Thanks for watching!

[@c6jones720]

Do you see a future where AVP and Moohan exist on the market, and Meta quests still exists as a kind of gaming console, or do you think Moohan will just overtake, and replace the meta quest altogether?

[@JasonHowell]

Oh there is DEFINITELY space in the market for all three. As I think about it, they will very likely hit 3 distinct price points: Quest 3: $500 Moohan: (guessing) $1500-2000 Apple Vision Pro: $3500 The big question I have is how they justify their price points comparatively speaking. I really need to check out the Quest 3 to know how to answer that question.

[@c6jones720]

@@JasonHowell I really like the meta VR stuff, used it for a few years already, but somehow I think I could be tempted by Moohan. I do use Apple products too, but the price of the AVP is a massive showstopper for me.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

Probably not a good question for him, as he doesn't even own a quest 3. Imo though, there's nothing in the information that's already been released to suggest it will even compete with the quest 3, let alone replace it. Gemini? 😂 Quest 3 does everything both of these headsets do, and more. Even more so now that it was recently fully integrated into Windows 11. The resolution for the quest 3 is perfectly adequate for the price too. These other headsets will have to build the ecosystem that Meta already has, and all Meta has to do is add AI and higher resolution.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

​@@JasonHowell There will only be a place for all three if the other two come down in price. Otherwise, not a chance.

[@tosvus]

I find it very strange to say Quest 3 is "rigidly towards gaming", and "Apple being more expansive" or something to that effect. Quest 3 supports both hand tracking and controllers, which makes it far more versatile for various uses (not just gaming) than Apple. On the other hand, Apple has purposely closed themselves away from 90% of gaming. I think Moohan/Google Android XR seems like a great middleground with the most potential. Can be used for VR gaming, full Android appstore availability, visual quality that lends itself to Movies etc., and wisely including things like eyetracking. I do hope they also allow full displayport wired connection to pc (or dp over usb-c - not just data over usb-c like Quest 3 does))

[@DJArvig]

To shrink / grow it's still a one handed pinch, you grab the corner of a window to adjust this

[@JasonHowell]

Yeah the window shrunk/grow is that. Objects inside of apps I could shrink and grow with the two handed gesture. Thanks for watching!

[@craiggmelville]

You didn't mention anything around communication are they using Samsung Avatar's for video chat?

[@JasonHowell]

My Moohan demo included nothing regarding video chat.

[@TonyStark-yj6iv]

What the price on the Samsung xr headset and what the release date I mean will it release on the Samsung unpacked 2025 in February

[@JasonHowell]

Highly doubt it releases then but they will probably tease it a bit. I bet we get a few more specific specs/details at Unpacked and a release later I. The year with the foldables. But that's a guess.

[@HQuiD]

What do you use to film your videos brother and what LUTs do you use?

[@JasonHowell]

Thanks for asking! Studio: Lumix GH5. On location: Osmo Pocket 3. I use a color profile I've tweaked myself inside of Premiere. Always a work in progress!

[@rodneywright2577]

Jason it is nice to see that you are well. I watched you for many years with Leo . Lost you when you left. Good to see you and hope the best for you . I will follow your great content.

[@JasonHowell]

Thanks for finding me here Rodney! Great to see ya.

[@Gav_Jam]

🔥🔥🎉 I love these vlog style and also kudos for giving the time jump for those who want to jump ahead

[@JasonHowell]

@@Gav_Jam thank ya Gav!

[@caknelson2254]

...............Hey Apple fans, incase you didn't know , Samsung has launched a VR Gear VR headset in 2015!!! So no , Samsung was first...

[@terrencetee0826]

But they will find a way to counter this comment. Watch when they drop a foldable and take credit for that too 😂😂

[@JasonHowell]

Ahhhh the Gear VR. I have a few of those lying around! We've come so far.

[@Pillysrule]

……………Hey Samsung fans, in case you didn’t know , Nintendo has launched a VR Virtual Boy VR headset in 1995!!! So no , Nintendo was first…

[@terrencetee0826]

@@Pillysrule can't be serious. I hope you had one so that it burned out your retinas lol

[@Pillysrule]

@@terrencetee0826 If we are talking about who did it ‘first’ the oculus rift kickstarter came out in 2012 and there were heaps of iterations of VR in the decades preceding it. No apple fan boy is even arguing that Apple invented VR. It’s a moot point. And the only thing burning out my retinas is the sun that I just can’t stop looking at. It’s just too beautiful.

[@Virtual-Media]

The one thing I feel confident about is Jason's willingness to be as objective as possible. I'd be happy to own either or both however vision pro is out of the question at the current price. Apples eco system is also a concern with excessive fees. Would be great if they were close in cost of ownership and AI feature's. If Samsung prices this around half I will definitely purchase one and go with XR!

[@JasonHowell]

Aww I really appreciate that, thank you!

[@jdarg4163]

You do know they are not VR devices they are all classed as XR Devices even the Quest any headset that allows you to do Mixed Reality AR and VR is a Xtended Reality headset the PSVR2 is a VR headset as it only does VR amd nothing else

[@JasonHowell]

That's a great point, thanks for pointing that out. I'm so used to calling these kinds of headsets VR, but it really is XR at this point. Thanks for commenting and watching!

[@allengilliardiii8612]

I think a huge differentiation between the Android XR platform and the Apple Vision Pro is going to be the XR version of Google Maps/Earth and more especially KZbin. KZbin support on the AVP is very limited….it only works through the browser and does not support the various 3D, VR and immersive videos that are on the platform, where with the glimpses of the KZbin app I’ve seen on Android XR, it fully supports all of those formats, and there’s the potential of Google making deals with the various movie studios for them to makes their 3D movies available on the KZbin app on Android XR. That and I’m sure standard 2D videos will have a much better viewing experience on Android XR then on the AVP. This could all change if Google finally releases an AVP KZbin app.

[@JasonHowell]

The KZbin app on Android XR was incredibly immersive, all of the UI elements were separated into their own zones that made perfect sense inside of the immersive presentation within the goggles. It was highly tailored and very effective.

[@allengilliardiii8612]

@ that may be enough for me to buy an Android XR headset….that and the AI 3D support on Google Photos. I watch a lot of content on KZbin and from trying out the AVP, the KZbin experience is very poor on there. This is coming from someone who’s long been an iPhone guy but has always purposely uploaded my personal photos and videos to both iCloud and Google Photos.

[@JasonHowell]

Given the amount of 3D content that's already on youtube, I think you'll be very happy with the Moohan device once it comes out.

[@Vestfirdingur]

Interesting! I honestly hope that Project Moohan would go towards something like what Meta did to the Quest 3. Unlike Apple’s Vision Pro which was not a success, not only because of the price, but also because of the ridiculously limited content available in the device. Great video Jason! As always 👍

[@JasonHowell]

@@Vestfirdingur thank you so much! I'm now super curious to compare the muhan against the meta quest 3. But there's no store for me to go and borrow a meta quest 3 from! Maybe I can find a friend that has one that'll be willing to part ways with it for a little bit so I could do that.

[@eighties8]

@@JasonHowell A comparison with Meta Quest 3 would be great. Myself and I'm sure many of your viewers have Quest 3 devices and they currently represent the best value in VR and its not really disputed. The headset is close to perfect but it lacks the features Moohan would appear to have in order to push it over the top. It needs 3-4k per eye displays, slightly better pass through cameras and eye tracking (either camera based on the cheaper IR based non-camera eye tracking that "inSight" is working on). If Moohan can deliver all of this for less than $1500 it will hit the sweet spot. Meta Quest 4 is sure to deliver on all of the above for less than $1K but that's perhaps almost 2 years away. You could do much worse with $500 than acquire a Meta Quest 3!

[@JasonHowell]

@eighties8 hmmmmm tempted.

[@michaelprovence]

Hope that they do just the opposite than apple because it's a huge flop. I mean for price, weight, controller, VR and games

[@JasonHowell]

Pretty sure they will do differently in price (a hunch).

[@wilty5]

The music is a bit loud and annoying, a lower audio setting would be more appropriate

[@JasonHowell]

Cool I'll keep that in mind, thanks for watching!

[@Ajaxmatt]

Shame the Samsung has a smaller Fov than Apple in your view. As a Quest 3 user was hoping for a slightly better Fov than Apple. Probably still buy it though. Thanks for comparing.

[@JasonHowell]

Yeah you bet. Now keep in mind, I had time with the Moohan about 1.5 weeks prior to the Apple Vision Pro. Trying to maintain my "memory" of the other experience by comparison was a bit tricky. But the AVP did feel a bit wider. I *could* be completely wrong, I'm sure we'll know in the coming months once the specs are released (or leaked).

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

I live 10 min north of you in RP. 😎 So far I'm not impressed with Android XR. I couldn't care less about Gemini, and AI in general on smart devices. I like what AI does in other fields but I don't really need it on my Smart devices. I like doing research the old way, and a basic Siri like assistant was perfectly fine to set up alarms and start directions. Pulling up store hours.

[@JasonHowell]

Hello neighbor! I get it, not everyone wants or needs that AI context.

[@arieszona]

You are in denial

[@BRANDNIKKA]

Perplexity What is Perplexity PRO: can be used in iPhone

[@JasonHowell]

Sure Perplexity can be used in an iPhone, browser or app. It's my service of choice. I love it.

[@yogimaster2654]

For sure Gemini has memory so it can sale your data 😅

[@arieszona]

Another win for Android against apple

[@JasonHowell]

Time will tell, but I think Samsung has a good thing going here.

[@BrianThomas]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Siri now powered buy OpenAI? If that's the case then it looks like both headset units are have are AI powered. The main thing that you forgot to mention is that Apple is no longer manufacturing is there a VR headsets.

[@JasonHowell]

That's true, as of recently. I think the key difference though is that ChatGPT with Siri is purely voice query based. Whereas Gemini is truly multimodal. Big difference from a user standpoint. I'd make the bet that Apple gets multimodality onboard within a year or two tops.

[@BrianThomas]

@JasonHowell great point. I completely forgot about that.

[@josea3881]

Well, I live in Europe (AI restrictions in place), my mother tongue is not English... in addition to this, Samsung/Google product still not fully defined in terms of tech features, games, programs and of course... fully reviewed performance. My guess, it will take some time to be available, tested and with a reasonable price... also feel a little bit heavy (or not big different in that area with Meta quest, apple vision pro)... so in my opinion in a couple of years I guess Meta and others can also have better visors, let us see then the difference and the real practical use of this... no mention the possibility of someone coming up with some magic in the haptic field that really, in my view, would be a game changer.

[@JasonHowell]

I totally agree re Haptics. I feel like that is a largely untapped direction for XR headsets. Or maybe even Haptics in the battery pack.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

when you cant even show a real image of the device, its a bit sus

[@JasonHowell]

Which device, the Moohan? I mean, Google invited me to the campus to demo it, but didn't let me shoot any footage. You can watch my video covering that trip here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn2qkqifiamDjrs

[@Co-opSource]

Not a fan of the way Google wants to track everything you do with the device which plays into their business model of selling (or selling access to) your data. I prefer privacy.

[@JingJing113]

The company that track everything is Apple, they want you to buy all the product from them, they are the least privacy company in the world, don't be fooled by their false claims.🙂

[@JasonHowell]

Well, Google may be compelled to change that behavior in the coming months and years through the many anti-competitive charges it faces in the courts. Personally, I just want the choice.

[@Co-opSource]

@ Absolutely. I’ll probably get one (I’m an XR device hoarder) but will disable all the monitoring I can.

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

News flash. 99% of Zucks money came from selling your data.

[@alonavrahami1046]

Perfect thank you

[@JasonHowell]

Thank you for being here!!

[@GabrielEweka]

Too many unnecessary information

[@JasonHowell]

Thanks for watching! I'd love your constructive feedback. Are you talking about the driving portion? Or the actual comparison data?

[@siegfried19888]

Apple / meta 🎉. Google 🤮

[@JasonHowell]

😢

[@siegfried19888]

@ I would’ve preferred Microsoft, but Microsoft gave up on VR and AR. And to an extent windows operating system as a whole when Windows phone died 😭

[@tileslasher]

Gemini is a woke fire dumpster. What a bummer. It’s a real shame.

[@Gav_Jam]

🔥🔥🎉 I love these vlog style and also kudos for giving the time jump for those who want to jump ahead