DAVID TENNANT GIVES BIRTH (The Doctor's Daughter ft. PodtorWhoCast)

[@ClassActJack]

my favorite part of this episode is when the doctor says "she's my daughter" right before the theme song plays and then in the very next scene he's denying that she's his daughter

[@ms.antithesis]

Can't wait to see David's doctussy

[@tribesman8424]

delete your account 🥰

[@ITSMeatMan]

Which one he has at least three now

[@peterstangl8295]

cursed comment

[@OkMakuTree]

Lmao I never expected The Doctor’s Gonna Bust a Cap/Everything in Yo Ass to be referenced on this channel 😂

[@ameliawade78]

The doctor's daughter is truly one of the doctor who stories to ever exist

[@spacepenguins8939]

I didn’t expect a Doug Walker the Wall joke in 2023

[@CMW003]

I think you just move unicorn and the wasp elsewhwere and make this firmly part of the end of s4 beating down of ten with the library, midnight, killing an alternative him in turn left, and then all the baggage he gets hit with in the finale sets him up nicely for the specials, as opposed to breaking that stretch up with the complete fun of agatha christie. Just make this episode an important part of that stretch beating him down and it feels more crucial than pairing it with unicorn and the wasp, the ultimate filler duo of s4 as it stands

[@tarponpet]

This is one I never realized was a "nobodies favorite" till I watched your channel lol

[@Cybermat47]

The daughter-father version of an Oedipus Complex is called an Electra Complex. Electra was the daughter of Agamemnon, a famous general of the Trojan War and a _Doctor Who_ character. Electra and her brother, Orestes, killed their mother, Clytemnestra, after Clytemnestra killed Agamemnon (after Agamemnon killed their daughter, Iphigenia).

[@SamyulDavis]

Nice! I was following Agamemnon around recently at the Burnt City immersive theatre performance. We're tight.

[@Cybermat47]

@@SamyulDavis had to look that up, sounds interesting! So cool that stories from 2800 years ago are still being adapted, reinterpreted, and enjoyed!

[@thesquire9966]

I don't know if you're still doing Broke Canon, but I think you still deserve to know that it's technically canon that the english alphabet in doctor who is in a different order to ours. Apparently the only time we get the whole alphabet in order is in Masque of Mandragora, where they're reciting it backwards, and they get the order wrong. They swap U and V. With no other source to counter it, Tardiswiki claims that that's just canonically the alphabet order

[@theonewhowatches869]

You know, I think they mention that Jenny has like, combat skills pre-installed, but I'd much rather think she just inherited all that from the Third Doctor.

[@DantheManIamIam]

Can I just say that the writing in this episode is Pip and Jane tier? Stephen Greenhorn is the modern-day Baker duo, The Lazarous Experiment has the same problem, all potential substance is just stated out loud in the bluntest way possible. "The man who never would" thing is that kind of writing, taking Ten's arc and complexity and reducing it down to a catchphrase. There's a reason his contradictory persona and arrogance never manifested like this before and never would again. You nailed it up front, not the worst episode but definitely one of the most skippable.

[@nightowl8477]

Interesting. I accuse Toby Whithouse of this. Oh, Series 6 is about conspiracies? CONSPIRACY FREAK CHARACTER. Oh, Amy and Rory are becoming distant. SAY IT IN-DIALOGUE. TWICE. 12 and Clara don't handle being split up well? TEN MINUTE SCENE. Not even getting into Lie of the Land.

[@DantheManIamIam]

@@nightowl8477 Hmm. Yeah I can see that. Difference is Whithouse has at least written some episodes that are great even in spite of dialogue not being his strong suit. And also Lie of the Land. Of course Greenhorn only wrote two episodes so maybe he could have made something good but who knows.

[@Jet-fighter]

@@nightowl8477 I will forgive Whithouse that tendency because the rest of the episodes slap usually. He also created Being Human, so he's up there. I still think Jamie Matheson is one of the best writers to grace modern Who and he should be head writer (and also someone else should be executive producer, the showrunner role needs to be split into two people).

[@MoonLitChild]

So much tv/movie dialogue is just the characters saying out loud the things that are happening as they're happening, and modern Dr, Who has become so, so bad with it: it's the recourse of people who are desperate not to be asked to write actual dialogue, because dialogue might commit characters to certain beliefs or actions that the show runner would need to undo in the next story because plot demands it.

[@thevacuumofcomments2946]

When I watch RTD's none Doctor Who work, I'm just gonna be waiting for a complicated BLONDE love interest for the main character to rock up

[@najawin8348]

/Checks years and years/ No, we're good here.

[@greghawkins59]

That's definitely not the last time Georgia referred to David as her dad

[@YasonYou]

what that's not how that works

[@greghawkins59]

@@YasonYou you sweet innocent child

[@stephenreed2093]

I can't remember now if it's documented fact or fan theory that Freema Agyeman was supposed to do two series, but they ditched her when they realised they could get Catherine Tate. So they put her in a few series 4 episodes, and few Torchwood episodes to fulfil her contract. It seems odd that they put her in Doctor's Daughter instead of Turn Left or Partners in Crime.

[@najawin8348]

Sam Sam Sam. There's a Tournament series (w/ prizing) opening up for Master Duel if you're interested. I know you're not thrilled with modern ygo, but I figured I'd pass it along, since it was previously NA only and it was just announced that the next round will be worldwide.

[@najawin8348]

(Also just as a technical point, generative AI is not anything resembling a collage. Issues of morality, legality, whatever, aside. The actual mathematics of the model do not work like that.)

[@SamyulDavis]

I don't know much about it, but in a looser sense, surely if other artist's work is being sampled, it's still a kind of collage?

[@najawin8348]

@@SamyulDavis It's not being sampled _like that._ Here's a very simple toy model. Suppose you come to me with a data set that looks like the following: {(1,1),(3,6),(4,24),(5,121),(6,718),(7,5040),(9,362880)}} And suppose I put this into my "oracle neural net" that returns a perfect model and erases any errors that were present in the original data. What I would get is just code for a factorial function. None of the original data will be present in the model that results. So while you might get these data points as _outputs_ from my new model (and sometimes you won't!) that isn't because the original data is in the model. It's not. It's because my oracle machine constructed a mathematical model using the data you provided me that happens to have a very good "understanding" of the underlying thing being talked about. And you can see this with actual models that are more complicated. They're _orders of magnitude_ smaller in file size than the training data that was used to create them. This just wouldn't be possible if they're collages. Now, that's a toy model. The reality is always a bit messier, even if the fundamental point is true. Overfitting is a real thing that happens. In the more complicated sense, if I trained a model to understand what "Spiderman" was, I would feed it a bunch of images, thousands, of Spiderman in various situations, drawn in different ways, some real people in costume, etc. And from this a "concept" would develop of what "Spiderman" is, and so it can create pictures of "Spiderman" that aren't any of the prior images, nor would they necessarily be similar in style to any one image. (Think about it like you've given it three images of "Spiderman" and it treats these as points in some really weird mathematical space that neither you or I can properly conceptualize. "Spiderman" is then the triangle + interior between these three points. Kinda.) So with overfitting what happens is that if we do that but keep showing the _exact same image_ in the training data, it will actually be stored in the model itself, or if there're only one or two images that make up the "concept". This is pretty rare. But it does happen. Think about the Mona Lisa. Images will include the Mona Lisa as an inset and it'll be labeled as so, so "Mona Lisa" becomes hardcoded as that one picture. Or if I only gave it one picture of "Spiderman". That would be the entirety of the "concept", it wouldn't be able to separate the two. Now, there are some ethical and legal concerns here, no denying that. But I think they're in different spots than most people talk about. And the models, just mathematically, don't collage. Collaging would be discrete. The entire point of AI is that it creates continuous models.

[@najawin8348]

@@SamyulDavis Also Succession is great. I sometimes call S8/S9 "Succession in Space".

[@daiyahigashikata]

​@@najawin8348now that's a long essay

[@peterstangl8295]

I dunno. The plot might be paper thin and the budget likewise, but there's bits of good stuff in it under all that padding. I can't be mad at this episode. As far as filler episodes go, you could do a lot worse.

[@timecontroller8800]

Wait why is Margret blain on the list of woman who fell in love with the doctor

[@SamyulDavis]

They went on a date

[@nightowl8477]

They had steak

[@thevacuumofcomments2946]

@@nightowl8477 Steak and chips!

[@ProtagonistIvy]

Electra complex is what youre looking for :/

[@SamyulDavis]

HAHAHA why that face

[@Autism3.0]

Davis what the fuck is that title

[@nightowl8477]

I always thought it was a good story in the wrong medium. It's a comic! Think of all the key iconography of the story, and imagine it drawn on a comic book panel. I liked it as a kid. But Russell's ambition was to meet Family of Blood in terms of characterisation and performance. This was not that. It is a failed production, but I still think it's a clever script with great beats. Martha is still dead to me after The Sound of Drums. Only way she can remain my favourite is to erase Series 4 lmao. Seriously, if you give her a generic UNIT soldier send-off (that you could literally give any companion, it is not remotely tailored to her), _why not use it here??_

[@MoonLitChild]

The whole seven days thing was very Terry Nation it's just a shame it was Davies who got handed the concept at a this point in the show's run. Everything with Martha from this point on is abominable-- and I don't think you *can't* bring race and gender into it, unfortunately. Mickey was one thing, while the only characters in Classic Who you can even begin to compare Martha to is a shallow mixing of like, Mel and Ace. Smart as a whip but more than willing to be the badass. There's not a lot of positive things you can say about making a black woman following in the steps of a manic white dude, and in a lot of ways cleaning up after him. It's not a good look.