Really love hearing how the sound changes after resting - crazy improvement
@rsilvers129 Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t.
@billmint8122 Жыл бұрын
@@rsilvers129 Cope
@PlasticHeartSurgery4 ай бұрын
It's okay he's a drummer and also deaf@@billmint8122
@shoya777 Жыл бұрын
It looks like one of those foundry reserves and sounds amazing. All of the versions of it still has its place in jazz. Lovely work!
@nxyuu3 ай бұрын
I thought it looked a bit like a k constantinople after the sandpaper pass. really did end up looking like a foundry reserve
@val_val_ Жыл бұрын
Wooah, the changes after the resting are remarkable. I also really liked the unlathed turk.
@ZebFernandezzz Жыл бұрын
As a Turk it sounds beautiful!! Lovely hammering 🤗
@ZebFernandezzz Жыл бұрын
10/10 crash. 👏 👏 👏
@dreadedscarpia2066 Жыл бұрын
All of the stages, really, are quite lovely…each has its own unique character. I’m hard-pressed to land on a preference!
@joc8 Жыл бұрын
The unworked version sounds like my 19" Bosphorus Black Pearl ride, which is too thin, hence too much wash for my liking. I replaced it with a Meinl 20" Pure Vintage, which is alot heavier, with great stick definition. I now use the Black Pearl as a crash with a rattler attached, so essentially I gained another dark crash. It's amazing the change in sound after resting the worked cymbal. Great job, Timothy!
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Very nice! I bet that's a good combo!
@Vitor.Portugal4 ай бұрын
In my opinion the cymbal sounded more mature after the sanding process, it kept a nice balanced amount of sustain with a little cutting ring shimmer. Overall, I am very pleased with all the contents you are developing.
@ReverieDrumCo4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@krzysztofwaclawski9002Ай бұрын
Sounded amazing to start with
@alanpeterson4205 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic to see those changes and concepts; excellent work and craft!
@StuartJrBarrett4 ай бұрын
Sounds awesome
@doublea7054 Жыл бұрын
Nice work man. I was surprised at how much i liked the full crust version.
@MusicandTractors Жыл бұрын
Really love the sound after the sanded part! ❤ not that the others samples sounded bad.
@thomastornroos7393 Жыл бұрын
Great work!! Sounds fantastic 🔥🔥🔥
@mattperko24258 ай бұрын
All interesting and nice versions, but I actually liked the sanded only version. Just enough wash yet a tight stick definition. I wonder if this is what Bosphorus is doing with their SW sand washed cymbals.
@seppoinnanen5577 Жыл бұрын
As a turk cymbal lover my heart bled a little when you started sanding and lathing that gorgeous piece. But the finished cymbal didn't sound bad either, just different. That stage might have brought up some yelling frequencies that I'm not after myself.
@stevenmayhew3944 Жыл бұрын
I understand that cymbals are not exactly "brass" or "bronze". They have a proprietary third ingredient metallic element which has never been divulged in the history of cymbal manufacturing, and it is that third ingredient which gives it the characteristic sound of a cymbal.
@DrMackSplackem Жыл бұрын
Interesting. My understanding is that 'bronze', while nominally a two phase alloy of copper and tin, is nearly if not always cast with trace amounts of other elements. This is true not just for cymbals, though, and owes more to practical concerns, both in the casting process itself, and the finished alloy's eventual applications. Phosphor, lithium, zinc and nickel are some common trace additives used in bronze casts (phosphor is particularly desirable for industrial parts like bushings, for instance). Much hay has been made about secret cymbal ingredients/family recipes, etc, but I'm fairly skeptical about trace additives in regards to desirable sonic qualities specifically because (marketing claims aside, it is bronze itself that's most remarkable. There's just something about bell bronze making it uniquely suited to musical applications. This is already too long but I have a case in point if you got this far. There are cymbals made from other alloys which make useful sounds, even rapturous sounds when struck with a stick. However, while these often make for great effects cymbals, I have yet to hear any nickel-silver or stainless steel cymbal that gets anywhere near the complexity, versatility or dynamic in its character afforded by an expertly worked bronze casting. Just my 2 cents, but if you work enough with bronze, you will come to see it as extremely special. At times one gets the feeling that there is (lacking a better term) a life force at work in the metal, and cymbalsmithing is the art of guiding that dynamism special to copper and tin alloys towards a musically useful goal. It's why I often think of cymbal making as the real alchemy.
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
The makeup of cymbal bronze is 80/20, copper and tin w/ trace elements either added by the redsmith or as a consequence of the method of creating the alloy (coal fired, wood burning, or gas). There's arguments as to whether or not this has a drastic effect on the sound. I would say it has an effect, but the biggest factor in the sound is how the blank is formed into a finished cymbal by the cymbalsmith.
@dustyclamper56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demo man it was great. 👍
@dustinmarco7268 Жыл бұрын
Great content again. As usual!!!!
@Cowdog1 Жыл бұрын
The rested version sounded sweet.
@offshoretomorrow33465 ай бұрын
That semi-lathed dappled finish is exquisite. ❤ How symmetrical is weight on a good cymbal? I have one that rotates on the stand because of a heavy point.
@ReverieDrumCo5 ай бұрын
That's pretty common actually. Ideally a cymbal will have even weight distribution, but I find just about every cymbal has a way it wants to lean (which would indicate it's uneven).
@rongeremy6970 Жыл бұрын
Sounds great 👍
@MS-ui9td Жыл бұрын
Very nice.
@Michael127gerard5 ай бұрын
Ever try Oven cleaner on a cymbal ? particularly a Turk type cymbal. It removes all the oxidation leaving just the cleaned bronze underneath. Deffo beings out the high frequency's more. I'm tempted to try it on a Bos black pearl.
@ReverieDrumCo5 ай бұрын
No, but i'll definitely have to try that! Thanks for the tip!
@brent3760 Жыл бұрын
Whew that is nice!!!
@Blake_Steen Жыл бұрын
So cool dude.
@sherpajones Жыл бұрын
This is really cool. Have you ever thought of sandblasting it while it is spinning on the lathe?
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Yeah! I don't have a sandblaster but I'd love to experiment with that at some point.
@johnrobertcorney Жыл бұрын
Tim you’ve really outdone yourself. You could tell even before it rested it was going to be a deep and lush wash with a sprinkle of shimmer. What grit paper(s) did you use? It reminds me of those old buttery Istanbul pre splits but with a more modern and usable weight. Can’t wait for next week’s video!
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Thanks John! I use between 80 and 120 grit typically. Then I finish off with a fine grit, abrasive pad to smooth it out.
@johnrobertcorney Жыл бұрын
Thanks Amigo!
@michaelpaoli3962 Жыл бұрын
Can I have that cymbal. Can I have all of your cymbals.
@rsilvers129 Жыл бұрын
Need myth busters. It is unlikely that a cymbal changes sound after a day, week, or months. Yes if it is still hot, but once it is room temp, resting it won’t make a difference. Could test it by having a robot arm strike it the same way each time and record it after it reaches room temp, and then a week later. It will be the same. The maker perceives it as having changed because they rested.
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Did you listen to the "rested" clip? It sounds significantly different than it did post the work. I do this as my full time job and I promise you resting makes a huge difference. The alloy is really amazing in that way. It's malleable and has very interesting properties when "cold-formed" by hammering and lathing.
@DrMackSplackem Жыл бұрын
If it takes a double-blind randomized A/B listening test to convince you, it could be because you've never discovered it by accident.
@p.diddle Жыл бұрын
I used to be a disbeliever of this as well. But after watching Timothy’s channel, I can definitely hear that resting changes the cymbal’s sound. There is remarkably more spread, sustain and shimmer to the sound. In regard to the actual physics of the matter, I am not sure. I have a hard time understanding how the metal structures can re-arrange due to resting. I’ll leave that to any metallurgists out there.
@DrMackSplackem Жыл бұрын
@@p.diddle I agree. It's bizarre and I know of no other example in metallurgy (though they probably exist). I mean, there is the phenomenon of work hardening, but that's pretty immediate.
@rsilvers129 Жыл бұрын
@@ReverieDrumCo and the unrested one was already cooled?
@ThaKillaInstinctHD Жыл бұрын
To be honest, i prefer the post lathe, unrested sound. How would you go about getting this sound when its rested?
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
There are some hammering and lathing techniques I use to create that dry sound in a rested cymbal. It usually involves using a heavier blank and more top hammering for the extra stiffness needed to get that sound.
@harlanvale1899 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a big difference in sound quality. Question: What is your opinion about repairing a cracked cymbal? Can it be done without the repair generating too many weird artifacts to the sound?
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Yeah! I repair cymbals all the time and it can make them perfectly playable again.
@gabrielhammersmokenmirrors3199 Жыл бұрын
I liked it best at the "sanded" stage
@KaiOwensDrums Жыл бұрын
What sticks do you use for the demo. It sounds like the second is SD2 boleros but not sure about the first
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
The first is the AJ1 and the second is the SD2 bolero!
@MV-ot8kr Жыл бұрын
Your videos are cool . I wish I could be a cymbalsmith . It is . Do you have a video about how you got into this ? Fascinating . Entertaining . Informative and educational . p.s. When you're doing something or something is happening , it's not KIND OF happening . It's happening lol
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been interviewed for a few podcasts where I tell my story. One is called the "drum history podcast". That episode comes out this upcoming Friday. Another is this podcast here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJKndH2meKuCatk
@benjaminolsen8774 Жыл бұрын
looks like Meinl's foundry reserve rides lol
@RockerBug17 Жыл бұрын
What's your process for protecting the cymbal from further oxidation post lathing?
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I use a specialized wax that keeps the patina from developing quickly. Sometimes I want a natural patina to develop so I'll leave the surface untreated. It's all about the desired sound!
@RockerBug17 Жыл бұрын
@@ReverieDrumCo Thanks for the info. I've been experimenting with applying wax (Minwax Paste Wax) post-cleaning. One layer seems to do well protecting against air but not so much against finger prints.
@ReverieDrumCo Жыл бұрын
@@RockerBug17 yeah I use paste wax for certain things. It does a fair amount of dampening to the sound which can be really effective. Try renaissance wax! It’s a micro-crystalline wax that’s super thin.