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@christiandauz37422 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the Bronze Age had access to the Pike-and-shot warfare and technologies Humanity would be much less aristocratic and more democratic
@arnijulian62412 жыл бұрын
@@christiandauz3742 The ancient democracy is very different to classical democracy that lead to 20th centuries democracy & the joke that is the 21st centuries democracy. Even with said Pike & shot how would they govern half way across the globe? Arms alone are not enough to enforce the governance of a political system. Ancient democracy was the founding but has little in common with it's much better later alliterations. Aristocracy's from former feudalism's grip was mandatory to give raise & response of true democracy now called classical democracy that also unfortunately laid the foundation communism in predominantly the third French revolution & the consequence lead to many dire results such as Marx's in works between the 1850 to 1860 . Marx's worked would lead to communism & in response extreme nationalism would result as fascism occurring from notably the combination Maurrasism with Sorelianism just before 20th century leading to Benito a former communist turned fascist forming fascist Italy in 1929 as a response to the USSR formed in 1922 with soviet Russia as the head formed in 1917 after the collapse of tsar Russia. Even the USA is flawed democracy according to the global index. Ironically my land of the Union of the kingdom's great Britain & Northern Ireland is considered a full democracy as a 'parliamentary monarchy'. You can't make this up even if you tried, the world is a ridiculous place!
@christiandauz37422 жыл бұрын
@@arnijulian6241 There wouldn't be a warrior class though. Spartans wouldn't exist. Priting Press and Paper vastly improves literacy Large stable-ish nations would be the norm not small city-states. Tribed and Horse Nomads wouldn't be a threat to civilization.
@arnijulian62412 жыл бұрын
@@christiandauz3742 Warrior classes existed before Spartans, Why are you on about Sparta anyway!
@christiandauz37422 жыл бұрын
@@arnijulian6241 First warrior class to come to mind. They wouldn't exist had the technologies of the 1600s existed during the Bronze Age
@kamilszadkowski88642 жыл бұрын
A video exploring where eastern formations like janissaries, cossacks, haiduks, and streltsy fit in all of this would be very interesting.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. But we're afraid of making too many mistakes when covering so many different historical periods / units; especially if it's eastern history, which remains more difficult to do because of the language barrier.
@kamilszadkowski88642 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory I understand. Hopefully, some more sources and books will be translated in the future. I guess I could help you regarding haiduks, cossacks and streltsy but I am sure you'd prefer working with some actual historians and professional translations.
@gabrielvanhauten41692 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory maybe hire somebody who does it?
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielvanhauten4169 that's probably too expensive for us but more of a problem is that if we did that, we wouldn't be able to doublecheck whether the person who read the books, did so carefully enough. That's why we're quite hesitant to do that.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
@@kamilszadkowski8864 Well, I would say not necessarily. If we trust people then we gladly work with people who are outside academia. But then again, our budget is quite limited, so that's gonna be problem I guess. Maybe we could write it and then find people to doublecheck our text. That might be a good way to do it.
@Donbasos142 жыл бұрын
I love how you connect the dots, many people go straight from phalanx to tercio to Gustavus, sometimes mentioning the Swiss, but skipping the Scottish and Dutch influence. Great video!
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. But to be honest, we did that as well in some of our older videos. That's why we felt we need to make a broader overview video!
@ElPavesaroTergestin2 жыл бұрын
The role of Scottish is quite overstimated. In Italy at the begging ot the 14th century we can find spears of 4 or 5 meters.
@J.D-g8.12 жыл бұрын
@@ElPavesaroTergestin True, in Giovanni Dall'agocchie's treatise the instruction on how to set up infantry formations IS a pike formation, and doesnt even explain why the pike is used, its just considered obvious. He goes into some detail over how to place armored vs unarmored pike men (use a couple of rows of armored pikes in the front row, etc) This treatise is from ca 1570
@J.D-g8.12 жыл бұрын
I just checked; is is from 1576. And regarding "dry pikes" (unarmored pikemen) he says that you always put men armored in corselets in front and behind them, half in front half behind. And if theres an odd number, put one more in front than behind. Hes very specific in regards to the numbers, which is derived through square root, f.ex if you have 1200 pikemen and want to arrange a field square,then select the closest number 1152 (48w 52d) and use the 48 leftover pikemen where the sergeant sees fit.
@dianapennepacker68542 жыл бұрын
Also polearms are underrated. Movies make it like they break with one sword hit. Or if you get inside the tip you won. Getting stabbed by a quarter staff is jarring.
@apokos88712 жыл бұрын
i really appreciate that you mention all your sources in the description. i wish more channels had this professionalism
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks man. We're trying to do it all the time. As a side note and in defense of everybody making similar videos: Sometimes it happens that one just forgets to add the sources while producing the video (has happened to us countless times as well). Also, often KZbinrs simply lack the time or determination to go back through the script and add them to the video. Usually you write the script quite a bit before the video is being produced. But, in general, yeah it would be nice if more people would add their sources. I guess many channels think it's to academic to put them in the description or on screen.
@mattstakeontheancients75942 жыл бұрын
100 percent agree. Not only does it show a certain level of academic foresight but allow us needs the ability to read up on sources used to make this video happen. Personally starting a ancient history channel myself and think presenting your sources is the way I want to go. Your animations are great as well. Any tips for someone getting into this field.
@SamSchlimpert2 жыл бұрын
Can you please cite a peer-reviewed source that indicates channels on KZbin are considered "professional" if they cite their sources in the description?
@apokos88712 жыл бұрын
@@SamSchlimpert just did. i am a source, i said its professional to do so, im a historian, fellow historians from the channel agreed, so its a peer reviewed source. now, to touch on your comment from another angle, the term "professional" isnt academic nomenclature, so it can be subjective. if we count something as "professional" when its done to make money, (as opposed to a hobby from an amateur), then all channels that have a patreon and try to live by their income there are to be considered "professional". the way i implied it, and i believe it was pretty clear in how i meant it, is that professionalism shown here relates to how close the presentation of a video documentary is to an academic paper, like we do for our universities and articles. a historian, like with all scientists, is required to provide proof for their claims, according to the relevant science. someone that doesnt do so, can be forgiven only if they're approaching it as a lay person, a hobbyist.
@mattstakeontheancients75942 жыл бұрын
@@SamSchlimpert not saying the channel is cited I was saying the guy cited papers in his video. Doubt he’s professional in anything other than KZbin just if people wanted to explore it more that video showed some academic papers examining this in sports. Originally didn’t think my comment even loaded. KZbin crashed on my phone and forgot I even commented on this but the video I was referencing does cite a few papers. Not sure their veracity or peer-reviewed just surprised there was even research on the topic this early on. Hope that clears it up.
@Cervando2 жыл бұрын
Just a slight clarification. The Scottish schiltron was more oval shaped than circular, for the simple reason it would be very hard to maintain a perfect circle. What made it so effective at Bannockburn was that Robert the Bruce had trained the soldiers extensively, so they could move in all directions and still maintain formation. This meant that a previously, predominantly defensive formation that would stand its ground, could now advance and manoeuvre. This caught the English completely by surprise and enabled the Scots to drive the enemy back across the boggy ground and the Bannockburn itself, were many were trapped or drowned.
@lethalslaughterband54982 жыл бұрын
Training is the most important part of battle
@Ihavpickle Жыл бұрын
Proof
@raginasiangaming910Ай бұрын
It also succeeded at Banockburn because Edward kept his archers too far to the rear to provide effective support and the English leadership was largely uninspired.
@CervandoАй бұрын
@@raginasiangaming910 The English did try and bring the archers to flank the shilterns, but the Scottish cavalry were able to drive them off, as the superior English cavalry were pinned by the shilterns and were trapped by the burn behind.
@raginasiangaming910Ай бұрын
@Cervando the archers were to the rear on deployment. Yes, they attempted to bring them forward but it was belatedly too late. The archers would have been critical to breaking up the original advance of the schiltrons or for softening them prior to a charge (if the Scots had elected to hold). Bringing them forward once the damage was already largely done was, as i said, uninspired.
@sandergaasbeek59782 жыл бұрын
"Dit is klote" 19:15, very dutch response, very proud. Wiser words have never been said.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
We're always happy when the Dutch crowd returns for some of our videos :P There's no other language in which everything sounds hilarious and serious at the same time.
@thinkthing19842 жыл бұрын
This was brilliant and gave me a good laugh
@freekmulder36622 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory Our language can only be described by the word: "knullig"
@steinschneider13142 жыл бұрын
When he said the Swiss formation wasnt invincible I wasn't expecting the vulnerability be: 'they got shot to death'. I feel like that's a weakness of most infantry formations
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
True, but the Swiss had a tendency to charge and run enemies over (which was their main strength. The historian Clifford J. Rogers calls this “the Swiss steamroller”). Failing to adapt to the gunpowder revolution might have been a better way to put it I guess.
@Sealdeam2 жыл бұрын
Got to consider the perspective of those times, their track record up to the Italian Wars was close to impeccable and it had been that way for the better part of two centuries, then in a couple of decades, from Cerignola onwards, the myth was shattered. If those changes seem quick and abrupt even for us, that have the advantage of hindsight, for the people back then were probably completely unexpected.
@samiamrg72 жыл бұрын
The Swiss formations in also tended to be pretty light on guns, leaving them unable to respond in kind to heavy gunfire. They either had to find a way to flank the enemy or to just charge right into them.
@Heroesflorian2 жыл бұрын
@@Sealdeam I wouldn't say completely unexpected as 20y is still a long time in the life of any single person then or now, but I agree the decline was quick compared to the period of high effectiveness... and even when you notice that something is going wrong recently, coming up with a new system for battle isn't a quick or easy task.
@Sealdeam2 жыл бұрын
@@Heroesflorian I agree that any (human) process that can be measured in decades cannot be called sudden nor unexpected, I think is more correct to say that the changes brought about by the conflicts around that time, 1400s and early 1500s (the Hussite Wars, the final stage of the Hundred Years War, the Conquest of Constantinople, etc,) were so profund and broke away with so many practices that have been established for hundreds of years that once that wave caught up to them the Swiss went from one of the foremost military powers of the age to a place of fringe importance very quickly. Although is very important to mention that this was aided greatly by the internal divisions that the Reformation created internally for them, centuries of them presenting an united front against all comers were no more, so them dropping from the map does not mean they were made complete obsolete since they started pointing their pikes at each other also.
2 жыл бұрын
This video is a summary jewel in terms of the evolution of the formation of pikes, although for my part I would have liked to see some example of real application of the Spanish Tercios, such as the Battle of Fleurus in 1622 (traditional use) or in the Battle of Jemmingen 1568 (flexible use with companies at their highest tactical level). Also regarding several comments that I have read that affirm about the tactical invincibility of the new formations with respect to the previous ones, I have to say that in practice it was not 100% true and it can be seen in Battles like Cerisoles of 1544 (where Swiss pikemen fighting for France defeated the Tercios in Italy) and at Nördlingen in 1634 (where the supposedly invincible Swedish Brigades were decisively defeated by the supposedly decadent Spanish Tercios of the Thirty Years' War), which shows that these formations well applied, could beat their respective updates; I do not say the same about the Dutch Battalions, since their unwillingness to fight in the open field leaves us short of examples of their total effectiveness against the Tercios.
@eliezertzaruri43892 жыл бұрын
The Byzantine thematic armies made considerable use of formations somewhere between a class Greek phalanx and that of Macedon. It's an interesting segue between the discipline of professional armies of antiquity and the feudal armies of later centuries
@eliezertzaruri43892 жыл бұрын
Also I'm really enjoying the artwork!
@heavybolter63962 жыл бұрын
Yeah they had quite complex form o infantry formations. I've seen some stuff where they had the majority of the infantry use spear and shield and the front rows use a long two handed spear when facing cavalry. It's hard to grasp sometimes (Meanvilon)
@malcolmnelson3612 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty interesting fact--thanks for sharing it. Are there any reasonably accessible sources on the subject? I have pretty good overall background knowledge.
@crazydrummer999992 жыл бұрын
13:22 Emperor Maximillian's face added to the mix is a humorous touch.
@clintmoor4222 жыл бұрын
Cool choice of topics lately.
@gabrielvanhauten41692 жыл бұрын
he always covers pike content ^^
@rohanwright738425 күн бұрын
Thanks
@T33K3SS3LCH3N2 жыл бұрын
Some additional notes on the German terminology: 11:00 Gewalthaufen as "crowd of force" is the nice translation. The crude modern understanding would be more like "pile of violence". 14:30 "Sold" is the German word for a soldier's wage. The word for "Söldner" for mercenary is directly derived from that and can be understood as someone who receives a soldier's pay. A "Doppelsöldner" therefore can be understood as someone who receives double the pay of an ordinary soldier.
@MiguelSanchezDelVillar2 жыл бұрын
Square defensive formations are some of the sexier things of history, just like a good heavy cavalry charge
@sergodobro25692 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I like how you looked on evolution of millitary combat through the ages, how new formations destroyed the old ones!
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! If you allow me a little nit-picking: I would say it's a better to put it this way: how one formation improved upon the previous formation's strength or adapted the previous formation's tactics to new demands of the battlefield :P
@sarahsidney19882 жыл бұрын
Best history channel!! Thank you for your work, keep it up!
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@asphaleios61972 жыл бұрын
Such a great channel, man. Thank you for all the amazing content you produce.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for the comment! It's always nice if we can deliver content that people seem to enjoy.
@sdhflkjshdfskdhfskljdhf5822 жыл бұрын
Also cheers for getting in the mix in comments! Lots of channels seem to phase out such audience engagement once they've got stuff cresting a million views, which is understandable for a variety of reasons, but sucks all the same. Having a realistic chance to ask questions helps get a bit of that symposium energy in a youtube video :D
@tusk3260 Жыл бұрын
there is one more formation that changed history and is still in use today and funny thing yis die mention the weapon but not who started it: The bayonet. It was the Russians who made the big change, they had those big 8 shot muskets. 4 barrel shots from 1 side then they'd flip their musket and fire another 4 shots. Then they would affix bayonets and charge. This new kind of warfare worked bedcause they would decimate the enemies front ranks by firing those 8 shots far faster then the enemy could reload and once they charge their 8 shots would have punched holes in the pikemen defences and the rifles men still stuck reloading who didn't have melee weapons would simply get decimated. Those 8 shots muskets were the very first version of a machinegun. Today we still use bayonets because you never know when you'll run out of bullets and in trench warfare a gun converted into a spear can still be very effective.
@hector_the_well_endowed2 жыл бұрын
Something that intrigues me about the pike and shot era is that formations often contained various troop types. This meant reforming during engagements, e.g. arquebusiers moving into a pike square as cavalry neared. Hundreds of men reforming must've been messy at the best of times, imagine them pushing and shoving each other, then trying to produce a solid line of pikes while under fire or under threat of a cavalry charge.
@jamesstramer51862 жыл бұрын
The quality of the video and the historical accuracy is astounding! Great work!
@Raadpensionaris2 жыл бұрын
One of the best channels on yt. Thanks for making these videos
@maxhill70652 жыл бұрын
Man I always ended up making early pike and shot (crossbowmen instead of muskets usually) formations in Age of Empires when I was 10 and thought I was a military genius, now I realize I was sorta on the right track
@53Strat2 жыл бұрын
Amazing content. Loved the part about the Ancient greeks as I just love that Era and I'm Dutch myself.
@gasmask70642 жыл бұрын
The evolution was awesome to see in this video, great job!
@ryanwiehr48562 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! But even better was that transition for more VPN lol that was the smoothest one I've ever seen.
@lahire49432 жыл бұрын
Castillon was the first battle won with gunpowder in Europe, 50 years before Cerignola!
@bigsarge20852 жыл бұрын
Informative AND entertaining! As a student of history, I appreciate these breakdowns.
@DeRegelaar2 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a great video again. Congrats.
@mariushunger87552 жыл бұрын
7:03 love the grim looking scots. Wouldn‘t mess with them
@samuelcampos4972 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel. It is a great delight to know that this quality of storytelling, art, edition, voice, and overall effort is out there for us (the community) to enjoy. Thank you
@mcsmash4905 Жыл бұрын
i suspect that even if one single guy managed to get past the points of the pikes he would cause mayhem as the pikemen would suddenly have to react to a swordsman in their midst , essentialy having to drop their own pike to defend themselves
@notsm2 жыл бұрын
Well done. The composition of the vid was exactly what I hoped for when I saw the title.
@danielcuevas58992 жыл бұрын
11:16 kings and generals talked about the Swiss pike square and it’s history, but never did a good job at visualizing. Thank you for that.
@geoliver92 Жыл бұрын
Just one very important thing, the Spanish didnt want to impose Cath in the Netherlands, but to protect what now is Belgium from Dutch religious intolerance. The emperor even agreed to let dutch be a protestant state but that wasnt enough for them and started to attack catholics, etc... that was when the Habsburg intervened
@bypyros19332 жыл бұрын
Well, the tercio's numbers were in theory. They never reached those numbers. There's a man working in Spain's archives,. I think specifically Simancas, and he did discover new interesting details about the Tercios. Do you want me to give you his Twitter account for a collaboration?
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
I think this was published by Geoffrey Parker. Well, the strength we give is the ideal strength not the actual strenght. As far as I remember Parker did research in the quite a few Spanish archives and he said that their strenght decreased over time. But I'm not sure whether he was the guy who published it. By the time of the Thirty Years War, the Tercios were only around 1500 men but than again the Dutch Battalion started out as 800-900 men and decreased in number as well (about 500 man by the 1630ies, if memory serves). Also, I think we don't have good sources for the 1530 and 1540s, where it is most likely that the Tercios would have been as big as ~2500 men. So, you're right in pointing out the numbers are theoretical but the comparison to the Dutch and Swedish formations still holds, I think.
@brokenbridge63162 жыл бұрын
This video explains warfare from these times very nicely. Great job.
@tomdreler65282 жыл бұрын
I Just discovered your channel and it became quickly my most favoured Source for Military History (and Contexts), especially for the time period of 15th C. - 18th C. (there's not much out there)! Very Good Work, thank you!
@defaultset Жыл бұрын
It always amazes me how we know so much about what happened in specific battles that happened 2 millennia ago. Imagine being one of the generals of those battles and watching on proudly because their tactics are still remembered and studied to this day.
@maxpunkbub2 жыл бұрын
I really loved this video! One suggestion for an upcoming video: a Video about the lineformation in the 18th century and the transition to the column formation of Napoleon. This would be really interesting! Thanks for your content :)
@malcolmnelson3612 жыл бұрын
There were good reasons for not mentioning it in a video that had to cover such a long period of history so this isn't a criticism, but there was an important transition between the classical Greek phalanx of the 5th century and the Macedonian pike-armed phalanx. In the early 4th century, an Athenian general named Iphicrates experimented with lengthening the spears of Athenian hoplites while also lightening their equipment. Although the sources of this period are a bit patchy, it seems that there were other examples of experimentation in the first half of the 4th century which were taken up and refined by Philip II. If you're interested in the details respond to this post and I'll give you some references. Or if you look up Iphicrates and dig around in the internet for a bit, you will probably find some information.
@mjfleming3192 жыл бұрын
This channel is outstanding. One of the best. I love it!
@Uberdude66662 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting! I like that you are so thorough with sources and accuracy. Especially at 5:57 I like how you just admit that we don't know what happened on the flanks of the battle. I'm pretty sure I've seen one or two of those animated battle-videos where the creator has just made something up to fill in the blanks, in order to present a "cohesive narrative" or whatever. But at 9:54 I'm not sure what. you mean? I thought it was known that Brian Cox taught Mel Gibson about classical greek and roman history, so he would have known about the phalanx before the battle of Stirling?
@HellenicWolf Жыл бұрын
great work man, keep it up
@ryanharris10522 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, it’s great to see a history which shows the development of tactics.
@hugodesrosiers-plaisance31562 жыл бұрын
Your efforts to pronounce all the various language words and names correctly is very much appreciated. I actually laughed a bit when you pronounced "tercio" with the slight lisp. Very good work!
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@steretsjaaj23682 жыл бұрын
I love pike & shot but there isn't much of it on youtube. Thanks for filling that niche sandrhoman
@RomaEternaVictrix2 жыл бұрын
A golden military history channel, perfect
@georgec39312 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!! 11/10. Nuff said.
@PunkHippie19712 жыл бұрын
This is the best medieval history channel on youtube. The pictures really help bring to life what these military armies actually were like.. Organized and sophisticated for their time. They did not just run at each other like in movies.
@Abudzin2 жыл бұрын
This Channel is a blessing
@stanislavkaluzinsky41992 жыл бұрын
Absolutlly awesome video ! Really great work. Keep going like this. Channels like yours and PIKE and SHOT Channel deserve more subs and views. Have a Nice day
@juanbarbosasiguenza5883 Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to know about the use pf the pike in the east.Abbasids used as mainweapon the makedon sarissa, while the walls of yari and musketerrs in the imjin war defeat decissively the koreans.
@johntitor12562 жыл бұрын
Or as they all ought to be called, block and stick warfare.
@clintmoor4222 жыл бұрын
stick bois at war is the correct way to put it
@anadaere68612 жыл бұрын
Stick and stone war Nowadays we have sticks that throws stones really fast
@joshuazhao77872 жыл бұрын
very well made video with cool information! always wanted to learn about different battle formations throughout history
@Grenadier3114 ай бұрын
Alexander's father (Phiilp?) doesn't get enough recognition for creating the army Alexander employed.
@Carpet-y9lАй бұрын
His dad was Zeus😅
@averyshaw21422 жыл бұрын
Wow, connecting thousands of years of history through a common thread is really interesting
@bartstryszowski42772 жыл бұрын
Really insightful video, appriciate the research and time it took to put this up, cant wait for more!!
@aarengraves99622 жыл бұрын
As a Greek it makes me think how big balls the Romans must have had in order to charge the Pike Phalanx.
@napoleonibonaparte71982 жыл бұрын
Interestingly enough, the legion practically came back in the modern world in the form of the brigade combat team.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Well, my prof once said that most Roman things are timeless. He's probably right as they really do tend to come back (sometimes in the most unexpcted of ways, though).
@brokenbridge63162 жыл бұрын
Good point Napoleon I Bonaparte
@lepmuhangpa2 жыл бұрын
But unexpectedly, yet.
@nilloc932 жыл бұрын
picking hairs a bit but the BCT was more inspired by the German kampfgruppe or American late ww2 "combat commands". But in general yes, the Roman way is still the basis for so much in modern armies.
@NonsenseFabricator2 жыл бұрын
Other than being in the same approximate ballpark of total personnel, a BCT is nothing like a roman legion.
@Tipi_Dan2 жыл бұрын
Really killer illustrations.
@faramund98652 жыл бұрын
Cool video man, thanks!
@breembo2 жыл бұрын
Really loved this particular video essay. Please do more of these types of overviews!
@GaleonHispano Жыл бұрын
Los Tercios españoles. Honor, disciplina ,fidelidad a su rey. Revolucionaron el arte de l guerra.
@kkelsey88112 жыл бұрын
Great work. You got my subscription
@ejb682210 ай бұрын
this is a very nice video, but the bayonett did not replace the pikes, but the side arms. bayonetts don't have a defensive function, but were used for charges. the defensive function of pikes was replaced by both musket fire and grapeshot field artillery.
@CrichtonNo52 жыл бұрын
Cracking video, well presented. One small correction - the majority of the English force had already cross the Bannockburn the evening before the second day of the battle - they camped in the damp, boggy carse which helped ruin their morale. They weren't crossing the Bannockburn to join the fight during the day - only when they tried to escape
@aleelcommpi2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, thank you!
@bernardputersznit642 жыл бұрын
Masterful - in particular i never knew that the swiss pike formations had other types within there bodies
@memofromessex2 жыл бұрын
An idea from this video, please can you do a video on how horse and pike 'competed' for primacy of the battlefield?
@kkupsky6321 Жыл бұрын
My Opa was a Landsknecht and his clothes were ridiculous. The twice I saw him before dying on campaign. Brilliant fashion sense…
@olivierleguen86882 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! great job!! Thank you
@mancroft2 жыл бұрын
Excellent as usual. Thank you.
@nicholaswalsh44622 жыл бұрын
Excellent and informative video, as always. Hopefully I can make pike and shot tactics work in Warhammer.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
try the dogs of war mod. might not be out for wh III though!
@nicholaswalsh44622 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory I was more speaking of the tabletop but thanks for the mod suggestion. I'll check it out.
@geovani14122 жыл бұрын
you should have talked about the Byzantine Phalanx too. Because Leo the VI's "Tactics" greatly influenced the formations of the 16th century.
@SandRhomanHistory2 жыл бұрын
Intersting! To be honest, early Byzantine history (especially pre 1400) is not really not a field of expertise for us at all (that's why we carefully said "a few hand picked examples" in the intro). Didn't want to make to wrong impression that we will cover everything there ever existed in terms of pikes / pike formations. Do you have any link or suggestion what to read about Leo's pike tactics? Would be neat to know, maybe for another video.
@mariushunger87552 жыл бұрын
Byzantine pikes. Never heard of it, sound intriguing 🤔
@geovani14122 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory You can find the English version on Amazon if you want to buy it. but if you don't want to buy it, it's going to be a little more complicated, I have a copy on my pc but I don't remember where I downloaded it from.
@geovani14122 жыл бұрын
@@mariushunger8755 Pikes and lances (kontaria) in the tenth century were approximately 4 meters long with an iron point (xipharion, aichme). One type of infantry spear, the menaulion, is described in detail; it was as thick as can fit in a man's palm, taken whole from young oak, cornel saplings, "or the so-called artzekidion" saplings. It was 1.9 to 3.1 meters in length with a 23-39cm head, for use by medium infantrymen (called menaulatoi after their weapon) against enemy kataphraktoi - an excellent example of a weapon and a type of specialized soldier developed for a specific tactical role.
@geovani14122 жыл бұрын
@@SandRhomanHistory The wiki has a summary of the manual if you're interested: www.wikiwand.com/en/Tactica_of_Emperor_Leo_VI_the_Wise
@huntclanhunt96972 жыл бұрын
There is ancient Pictish art in Scotland that looks like it may depict Schiltrons. If so, then the Scots were potentially using the schiltron as far back as the 7th or 8th century AD.
@huntclanhunt96972 жыл бұрын
Pikes saw use as late as the 19th Century, interestingly enough. Usually used by reserve troops and to help defend fortifications when the enemy closed in to melee range.
@lepmuhangpa2 жыл бұрын
Great work as always.
@magimon918342 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for a great video
@samiamrg72 жыл бұрын
Something mentioned but not emphasized in this video was the value of prepared positions in Pike and Shot warfare. Having even light fortifications where you could set up artillery and gunmen was enough make an attacker pay a heavy price for attempting to attack. Fortifications made the possibility of attack by cavalry too costly to consider, forcing the the use of infantry to assault the positions. Circumventing prepared enemy positions was an important tactic to consider, as shown when the Swiss defeated the Duke of Burgundy several times. Once by marching through difficult terrain to flank the Burgundian positions and once somewhat by luck catching the Burgundia positions under-manned, allowing the Swiss to overwhelm them much more easily.
@terrorcop1012 жыл бұрын
Great video, but do you think you could please do a follow-up centered on the tactics of Colonial America from around 1600? Over the past few months, JYF Museums has released a series of videos on the weapons and tactics of pre-Revolution America, including a variant of the pike and shot formation that relied on mail armor, shields, swords, and pistols; I'd love to see if you could expand on that.
@Grenadier3114 ай бұрын
Pikemen were vulnerable to archery until the advancement in armor during 15th and 16th centuries. By the time of the War of the Roses, infantry was equipped well enough to deflect most arrows. Gambeson armor and mass-produced cuiriasses necessitated firearms to be pentrated adequately, eliminating the need for a shield. A long spear weilded by two hands is a much more formidale weapon than one held by one.
@robinmarks4771 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@nateconley64322 жыл бұрын
Great video keep it up man
@johannesmichaelalhaugthoma42152 жыл бұрын
Outstanding summary!!
@Scipionyxsam2 жыл бұрын
Great video. But the fact that you talked about Landsknechte and even the Forlorn Hope without touching on their use of Zweihänder/Schlachtschwert left me really, really blueballed.
@georgethompson14602 жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention sumerian/akkadian spear-bearers. the art looks rather phalanx like to me.
@dragonstory152 жыл бұрын
Damn, that quote about killing a pikeman being like killing an innocent man is one of the harshest burns ive heard in a while.
@PROJECTMONTAGE2 жыл бұрын
5:32 Rome was using the manipular system at the battle of Pydna so they shouldn’t be referred to as legions but instead maniples. Got the formation correct though. Great video 👏
@majintab77102 жыл бұрын
absolutely loving the roman swords accurate to the period, it's exausting to see only the gladium!
@philjohnson17442 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this the other day. Dang ol' spears are the quintissental human wepon.
@dabocaster2 жыл бұрын
i love your videos dude!
@nathanaelsallhageriksson17192 жыл бұрын
that was the smoothest ad transition I have ever seen
@bcn1gh7h4wk2 жыл бұрын
games such as Age Of Empires 2 with their various historical factions and tactics are perfect for pulling off these moves across time and cultures. I've used and seen several tactics such as the Macedonian phalanx with civilizations such as the Britons or Japanese. once you know the tactic and how to use it, if you pull it off right on time and place, it's a game changer. WW1 fire-and-move tactics, with Teutonic crossbowmen and trebuchets.... or, amphibious commando strikes with Greek swordsmen.... like... what!? crazy gambles at the time, but they paid off!
@lightfallonthehead3842 Жыл бұрын
ayo where were you playing mount and blade warband, did i miss that part?
@johnwhite-q7s Жыл бұрын
I recently found medieval total war 2 in the app store. It’s just like old times, but now i can play it anywhere on my ipad pro
@santiagomartinez56072 жыл бұрын
great information
@MML-gk5xc2 жыл бұрын
1300 years using the same weapon amazing how the world has evoluated
@taistelusammakko5088 Жыл бұрын
Spear has been used far far longer than that
@TheSrSunday Жыл бұрын
Smoothest end of a video ever.
@grooverchan16003 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see the next pike square in 2134 lol