Dasarajana-Ramayana-Mahabharata: The Continuity of India's History | Niraj Mohanka |

[@vilasosc]

This is where i personally get upset when many people researching history coming with own versons and challenging each other but never coming on one platform for shasrarth and come up with more subtle version. academia is atleast giving one version even its wrong, they are together to do so, but these independant researchers care more about ego than the truth. still we should thankful to all of these researchers for their hardwork and motive behind it but this scattered and egoistic behaviour is not giving people anything except confusion

[@sarakumari3179]

So true, even people having nationalist stride in them, just have big individual egos. It easy to understand, why everything is so grt about bharat, but never united atleast from last 500 yrs

[@prashanthchandrashekhar1016]

Completely agree. It's regular to see indologists trash other Indologists work. They can disagree, but shouldn't discredit others.

[@DhirendraSinghRam29Live]

I dont have a dog in this fight - 'I Am the Dog' in this fight. A very good demonstration of 'Sales skill' by a marwari

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

For those who can't read Valmiki Ramayana . Hanuman Saw elephants with 4 tusks. रथैः यानैः विमानैः च तथा गज हयैः शुभैः | वारणैः च चतुः दन्तैः श्वेत अभ्र निचय उपमैः || ५-४-२७. vaaraNaishca = by great elephants; caturdantaiH = with four tusks. Hanuman saw elephants with 4 tusks. These elephants with 4 tusks are called Gomphothere. They were last seen atleast 12,000 years ago .

[@urjasvi]

20:57 Sangam Talks are you serious ? what can be more disrespectful to Shri Oak ? 😔

[@alfie1947]

👍Agree.

[@prashanthchandrashekhar1016]

Agree, but Sangam Talks probably can't control what the speaker says, speakers have to be more thoughtful.

[@pakamastar]

One has to appreciate the amount of work Mr. Mohanka has done. That said, the output seems very much like what Newton did. That work was published in the 18th century and has been criticized by many as a work on 'Occult', not on history or science. Hats off to all these guys who are doing it as a labour of love. Let us hope a few hundred crores are allocated for further research on this. I find Nilesh Oak hypothesis rather more interesting than the speaker's excel sheet but that is just my opinion. These guys have put in phenomenal work. They deserve praise.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Rubbish, you can't date greek texts withoutunderstanding greek language. Similarly you can't date Valmiki Ramayana without understanding Sanskrit. That simple.

[@urjasvi]

I question other people's work. I ask them to prove it, incorporating my assumptions I ridicule them. I promote my work as scholarly I have a big and colourful spread sheet. & of course you can't miss my accent 😁

[@rahulbetgeri]

“Don’t find astronomical data solid at all” I haven’t heard a more ridiculous statement than this EVER!! Lots of hard work has gone into this timeline, but that single statement exposes bias against a particular data set that EXISTS!! This cannot be a neutral approach. If astronomical data in epics doesn’t make sense then prove it, it cannot be dismissed just like that. It would be stupid to. Not in particular support/against any theory/timeline but have to say that astronomical observations have been the foundation of our civilisation. The dates of documented astronomical observations go back as far as 1500BCE, and to be biased against that data set would be astonishingly ignorant!!

[@devvratmishra9000]

tu barbaad hai ,

[@tatsavitar7281]

In Scriptures many times same names came for same persons. But many historians of today think they were different. But people of today don't know about yogic siddhis, amrita, immortality. The power of sankalpa is such person can leave the body and again make his body simultaneously residing in sookshma shareera. So please i urge read Books lile yoga Vashishta and patanjali then interpret.

[@कल्किः]

Wow words like terrorist, where does it come from? Personal vendeta? You are right about other peoples motivies in terms being connected to foreign universities and being lead with an agenda. But there are people like Nilesh Oak who have faced their share of issues with the US for trying to show the Indian itihasa with hard scientific and astronomic evidence. You know what you need to have a bit of research on Nilesh's hard work and guess what he does not call out names like terrorist for his own country man working hard for their country. 👎 for your negative attitude

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

I want to punch this 2700 BCE date of Ramayana from the Ramayana itself. Start learning sanskrit , it is not difficult. Then date ramayana corrrectly. Let us take the reference of Brahmarashi from Ramayana itself. ब्रह्म राशिर् विशुद्धः च शुद्धाः च परम ऋषयः | अर्चिष्मन्तः प्रकाशन्ते ध्रुवम् सर्वे प्रदक्षिणम् || ६-४-४९ ( Yuddha Kanda 4:48 ) Translation : Brahmarashi, the very bright pole-star (which is recognized by the contiguity of the stars presided over by the seven Brahmana sages) is becoming clear. All the pure great sages having bright light are shining are shining around Dhruva star. See the interchange of Brahmarashi and dhruva here in the Ramayana itself. Brahmarashi as dhruva ( north pole star ) only could happen in and around 1200 BCE. Why you guys don't take all the astronomical references ?. Strange isn't it.

[@urjasvi]

Rahul Diwan ji, can you please explain your reasoning behind inviting Mr Mohanka at Sangam ? 🙏

[@urjasvi]

10:35 Astronomical dating isn't precise ? depends on the mood ? 🤔 what's going on here ?

[@sagarm4983]

For example, Dasaratha decided to coronate Rama as crown prince because "Sun, Mars and Rahu is encroaching on his natal star" -- ------ How should you interpret this? Sun Mars Rahu conjunction or Sun, Mars and Rahu aspecting natal star of Dasaratha or Sun, Mars and Rahu in bad nakshatras from natal nakshatra of Dasaratha?

[@urjasvi]

​@@sagarm4983 I would read and re-read Maharshi Valmiki's Ramayan in Sanskrit, understand the text and then move from there. That would be my approach. These english translations have zero utility for Indic wing, in my humble opinion.

[@drona9]

He mentions Rakhigahri, that city alone is twice as old as all his dating, at older than 6000 years! He says kings-lists or priests-lists are more important than just Astronomical evidence but these lists and genealogies that he's used are actually the weakest evidence as per experts because a lot of names tend to repeat and a lot of names are often omitted. So genealogical lists are not reliable at all. His model only reinforces western orientalist dating and western Indology.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Brainwashed by western indologists who don't even understand Indian culture nor understand sanskrit.

[@कल्किः]

You can grow and be proud of your culture by first being respectful towards your own country man to give a positive message to the world. Your statements are literally contraditry since you are the one bad mouthing about your own people. I haven't seen anyone talking like this person on such a beautiful platform that I have been following since it started..really disappointed. I just a comaner not related to a university or anything doing a job and earning my living and being very proud of my roots, culture, civilization, itihasa and the idea of Dharma, Artha, Kama, Mokksha which teaches are lot more than people can think, those brought up with a cheap upbringing of bad mouthing other communities can't make logic of such great words. Only the once who have Shradha and dedication towards work which has some genuineity to it will make sense to the world, not aggressively trying to tell others of self-loathing greatness

[@urjasvi]

it's time for another "Vada"

[@ashwinkhambadkone394]

Very poor methodology. Almost asking us to believe. Poor logical arguments. Sangam talks should check the quality of the work before allowing the platform. Otherwise it will discredit the anti-AIT thought process.

[@rudrakesari9899]

@niramohanka connect with Dr. Nilesh Oak on the period of Ramayana and Mahabharata. You will get more clear information

[@4z4d]

Very good chronology. I think besides Vedveer arya no other has taken whole Indian Chronology issue. If we add shaka shakant & Budha nirvan model of Vedveer arya(1300 years of missing history due to 1500 BCE AMT & 6000 BP world creation), Manish Oandit and Manogna & Megh in this chronology, All of them will sync. As far as archaeology is conserned, Birhana (7500 BCE), Mithatal, Farmana all go way back to 6000 BCE. Similarly in ganga valley (since its poppulated less excavated, lidar must be used) 5000 BCE settlements are coming up. Varanasi 2000 BCE (for now). Iron has been excavated from 1800 BCE east UP, to 2200 BCE telangana So I think the more excavations are done, there will be a sync of all reasonable chronologies i.e. Archaelogy driven will go backwards and those like Niles Oak's will come down. Appreciate this work. Chronology is way difficult than proving an event. Coz one oddly placed piece topples whole model. Vedveer Arya's work also solid. I hope u guys have a constructive cooperation. Chronology Of India - Vedveer Arya (3 books)

[@enjoyparents]

All these need to have a dharmic debate and not BAD MOUTHING EACH OTHER AT ALL . NileshOak takes lots of various scientific data from varied fields of science .

[@tshankar5335]

Simply not agreed with the views regarding the dating mechanism. He is making himself stupid.

[@urjasvi]

1:10:22 you obviously have no idea what you're talking about 🤦

[@anandrao5646]

Bakwaas...and full of hypothetical comments....he is clueless. Not done anything original..other than borrowing ideas from others. Most importantly...bad mouthing others who do great damage. This platform should have more solid speakers.

[@enjoyparents]

Nice attempt however some imp suggestions Viewers keep in mind Neeraj is NOT A RESEARCHER HIMSELF . AS HE SAID HE STANDS ON SHOULDERS OF OTHER RESEARCHERS which also tells us that he is reading books and opinions of others and making his time line up . Yes there is credibility as he has read works of decent legitimate authors however he has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO BAD MOUTH ANY "RESEARCHER" as he has done multiple times in this video about NileshOak or anyone else ! His confidence is positive & his assertion is also very helpful for INdic knowledge propagation. I have read more than 3 dozens authors and atleast 300 + books on dating from all over the world , "bad mouthing" is not going to work or help any chalking out of authentic dating of human history or even only for INdic civilizations. I am not "NOT" having any favoritism to any author because real dating will be only possible when all ,YES "ALL" CLAIMS are debated and sorted out with OUT ANY EGO TO ONLY PROVE "I AM CORRECT" ! . Neraj again is NOT A RESEARCHER "HIM SELF" , I STRESS THIS VIEWERS, KEEP THIS IN MIND BEFORE COMPARING HIM WITH ANY "REAL" RESEARCHERS . NileshOak IS A "Researcher" himself, he has explained his timeLINE CLAIM IN PROPER sequence OF EVENTS AND NOTHING , I REPEAT "NOTHING" IS IN ISOLATION in his case. HE WORKS IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH RAJIV MALHOTRAJI , RAJ VEDAM , SHUBHASH KAK etc . His claim is backed up by ATLEAST MORE THAN A DOZEN OTHER STREAMS OF SCIENCE AND NOT JUST ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCES which is actually very very strong manner of doing research . YOUR CONFIDENCE,Neeraj IS FABULOUS AND YOUR EFFORTS ARE APPEECIATIVE . HOW ABOUT YOU DEBATE WITH NILESHOAK?? HE IS VERY VERY INSPIRING AND OPEN TO NEW CLAIMS , LETS DO IT ( debate)AND VIEWERS WILL SURELY FIND IT AN INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE INDEPTH KNOWLEDGE. LETS NOT ,"NOT" make it a EGO issue but a dharmic debate - by saying JUST MY CLAIM IS CORRECT!! ITS REALLY HURTS INDIC RESEARCH AS U KNOW N CORRECTLY SAID "MONEY IS BIG ISSUE IN THUS CONTEXT " MONEY CAN COME FROM TEMPLES OF BHARAT N WORLD WIDE AS this is RESEARCH FOR CIVILIZATIONS AND TEMPLES ARE CONSIDERED AS POWER HOUSES OF OUR SANATAN CIVILIZATION . TEMPLES ARE "NOT " FUTILE ,THEY ARE MUST MUST AS WHOLE NEW ZEAL IS CREATED WITH & AROUND TEMPLES. SO STOP ✋😑PROPOGATING "INSTEAD OF BUILDING TEMPLES - PUT MONEY IN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGGING !!" RATHER LOOK AT IT( TEMPLE) AS POWER HOUSES TO GENERATE MONEY FOR RESEARCH OF OUR SANATAN DHARMA WORLDWIDE - INCLUDING ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGGGING !! DARE U SAY🤦🤦‍♀️ "STOP CREATING TEMPLES" 🚩🙏🌷

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Niraj Mohanka you are just speculating here. There is no credibility to what is recorded in Rigveda, Mahabharata and Ramayana and what you are saying. To just say 600 years between Ramayana and Mahabharata is a joke. Do you even understand Sanskrit ?. if you don't know then why do you speculate ?. Just because you are educated in the west doesn't mean that you tamper the texts and give your own interpretation.

[@DhirendraSinghRam29Live]

he has clearly said he cant read Sanskrit. He has also made it abundantly clear he is fitting other people's data (this is what sales people always do) and information -therefore if other people got it wrong his data will be similarly corrupted

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@DhirendraSinghRam29Live You can't equate Indian tradition with other traditions. Every tradition is unique. Having studied Ramayana , Mahabharata, Puranas and Upanishads first hand I can say that there is lot of material in them which is neither corrupted nor interpolated. There may be additions for sure. But except small linguistic adjustments, there is no scope for corruption and data loss. One idiot from the west says Puranas are written during Gupta period, yeah may be, then why they do contain so many astronomical events going back into Antiquity.

[@sagarm4983]

It is not a joke to say that Rama and Krishna is separated by 600 years. - on the contrary a high possibility (if not an actual fact). Brihadratha, the Ikshvaku king of Ayodhya fought and died at Kurukshetra War was a descendant of Rama and 30 Ikshvaku kings ruled Ayodhya between Rama and Brihadratha. A generation is on an average 20 years. So 30 multipiled by 20 gives you 600 years.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@sagarm4983 Rubbish arguments. One king may rule more time and one king may rule less time . This is a useless criteria. We need to go by internal evidences. Read this from Sundarakanda of Valmiki Ramayana. रथैः यानैः विमानैः च तथा गज हयैः शुभैः | वारणैः च चतुः दन्तैः श्वेत अभ्र निचय उपमैः || ५-४-२७ vaaraNaishca = by great elephants; caturdantaiH = with four tusks; This is what Hanuman Saw in Lanka Dweepa. These elephants with 4 tusks are called Gomphothere and they existed before 12000 years ago.

[@sagarm4983]

@@ranapratapsingh3416 Sundara Kanda, Sargam 9, shloka 5 also refers to elephants with three tusks. Which elephant specie has three tusks? And besides, you did not have forests in India 12000 years ago - India was either desert or grassland. Hence you cannot exile someone to forest back then!

[@fearlessnand528]

महृषि अग्नि पहले ऋषि थे जिनको वेदो का ज्ञान प्राप्त हुआ कभी वेद पढ़ा भी है या मुँह उठाकर कुछ भी बोल दो कि कोई founder ही नहीं है. 😂😂😂

[@fearlessnand528]

बहुत सारी बाते गलत है

[@ASHISHDHIMAN1610]

How do we accommodate Aryan theory, with David Reich’s Genetic findings, that Indian populations lie on a gradient between 2 disparate populations, Ancestral North Indian & Ancestral South Indian.

[@technoyamraj]

Sir with due respect .... Analysis is excellent .... But dates are all western .... Mahabharat itself happened in 3138 bce and Kaliyuga started in 3102 ..... All these inscribed in our ancient texts ..... The western dates have been shrunk to match it up with biblical data ......

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

You are partially correct. The yuga system has different meanings. Surya Siddhanta gives correct interpretation being the oldest text with yuga definition.

[@spicemonk6130]

Government Of India invites suggestions via email from the public for removing distortions of our History from our school text books - Deadline 15th of July 2021

[@mcsvja8533]

i some how feel this talk not so convincing, searching again and again on new thoughts like dog chasing tail.

[@ryanjohn6954]

You claim not to be influenced by anything, yet you obviously carry a negative perspective towards your own culture. Any old buster can read a book about economics and claim to be an expert, but that doesn't make them an expert. Before claiming to know better, please make the effort to learn better. If not, then don't come and spread your incomplete and biased views.

[@drona9]

He is using the western dating of everything

[@कल्किः]

You don't even have a clue apart from the most shamed emperor of the country ashok, he was been purposely brought up by the british and made great to make Indians feel ashamed of there own people. Please do a lot more research on things and speak. Because most of your answers are very shabby. There's always room for improvement.

[@savitarao7458]

We should work on cultivating a working knowledge of both archeology as well as astronomy so we can understand better. It would be better if we didn't write off a whole system of knowledge because of lack of proper understanding of that science. If we really want to know the truth we would do well to create a nexus of as many sciences as we can...

[@GuruEesan-atomfounder]

My foot

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

Very disappointing.

[@wisdomtestprep9053]

जय श्री राम

[@sagarm4983]

Excellent work and best of luck. I certainly liked the idea of using the words "Pre-Dynastic" and "Dynastic" for period before and after Vivasvata Manu.

[@कल्किः]

Sangam talk needs to make sure that people being brought on this platform maintain some decorum about other peoples hard work for the country, please make the host understand he needs to behave himself not start a verbal dehoira of big labels used without evidences and proof. We cannot have such cheap comments used for our own country people. This man needs to apologize in public immideatly for his terrorist language

[@enjoyparents]

@sangam Do your job in screening ur orators or else U SURE WILL LOOSE CREDIBILITY . DHARMIC DEBATE IS OUR CULTURE . Take DOWN THIS VIDEO PLEASE 🤦🤦‍♀️

[@bravenangeli]

I lyk ur spreadsheet👍❤❤❤❤

[@4z4d]

Wow interesting 👌

[@Sunny-rh6ik]

🙏👍

[@4z4d]

@Sangam call him often. Valid point these tatas fund liar wire Tiss shit but nothing Ancient Indian history related.

[@Whoknows-z5o]

Incredibly useful work! Dhanyavaad Niraj ji!

[@RanjivKurup]

So all this work is based on colonial translations and secondary works based on colonial literature that is available in University libraries of New England without any reference to the original texts and the speaker is a second generation ABCD? Well, good luck. Lots of wonderful documentation, but why would you reject significant data points merely because it doesn't reveal the "continuity"? Ramayana is mostly mythology? Mahabharata happened in 1300 BCE? Please guys! Plenty of useful data. Not an ounce of historical sense at all. PS: I had to add this. The west constructed the entire timeline of India on the basis of one, yes ONE "key" sheet anchor - that the Greek reference to an Indian king Sandracottus "could only be" Chandragupta, that too, Chandragupta Maurya. So again, one or more "key events" supported here by 100s of data points is, according to the speaker, meaningless? Hello? Hello?

[@aadithya77]

Wow, amazing, The time and effort you have taken to put the historical data on sheet.

[@tatsavitar7281]

With all due respect it is all your fantasy about timing of Indian History. If you want to know history do it on astronomical data in Scriptures.

[@GaneshNarayanan14]

Good to see Sangam Talks discussing alternative theories to those proposed by Nilesh Oak w.r.t dating. It was saddening to see them joining Nilesh and bullying Jayasree Saranathan (not saying she is correct) on Twitter.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Jayasree Saranathan is incompetent. She doesn't know Vedic Sanskrit. There are so many astronomical events recorded in Mahabharata. To find a date of Mahabharata, all these astronomical events must be taken into place not just few and leaving few aside. I mean each and every event must be taken as it is . She doesn't understand that present day srilanka is not the same as the srilanka of Ramayana. She mistakes Simhala dvipa as srilanka.

[@GaneshNarayanan14]

@@ranapratapsingh3416 As I mentioned the point is not about her correctness or competence. It was about blatant misuse of a forum like Sangam Talks, where they acted like a sidekick of a half baked intellectual like Nilesh Oak and behaved in a manner, not befitting of them on a social media platform like Twitter. I have no qualms in Sangam Talks providing a platform to Nilesh Oak to speak and say whatever he wants to. But it was deplorable how the Sangam Talks Twitter handle behaved like a troll handle. The matter is between Jayasree Saranathan and Nilesh Oak. Sangam Talks I believe is a neutral party in this discussion between them. At least Sangam Talks should have the humility to accept their mistake, correct them instead of trying to defend past actions.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

@@GaneshNarayanan14 The problem here is every body wants to give their own interpretation without understanding the text itself . I am not following Sangam Talks on Twitter. I had read Jaysree on her webpage and it is a big joke that she is saying modern day srilanka is the lanka of Ramayana. Is she competent in Mathematics and Sanskrit ?. The biggest problem is the incompetency in Sanskrit that is hurting all our Indian scholars. For last 25 years I am studying sanskrit and finally our sanksrit texts are making deep sense. If you are really competent , then disprove Nileh Oak's chronology.

[@GaneshNarayanan14]

@@ranapratapsingh3416 My inclination 'at present' is towards the possibilities posited by Dr Ashok Bhatnagar ji or Dr RN Iyengar. I'm not interested in Oak's theories. Like mentioned in yesterday's talk, astronomical data alone cannot be used as a basis as the text could be interpreted in many ways. One needs to take into account Archaeological, oceanography, climatic conditions, iron-copper age, Saraswati river drying, some of the post Kuru lineages of parikshit and successive king's and their possible dating, any natural disasters etc. IIT v Kharagpur or one of the other IITs has done a lot of work on the front up of the sarasvati river. That should be taken into account. More research could be carried out if those are inconclusive. Plain astronomical dating has to be corroborated with these. Oak needs to show some humility instead of mocking everyone else. I have no bandwidth to sit and counter Oak's claims. However I definitely have the freedom to choose what seems more plausible given the several possible theories posited. There's no point being jingoistic about our past heritage. We are not helping ourselves any bit by doing so. There have been several sites like rakhigarhi, sinauli, dholavira etc which seem to be much older than Mahabharata period. So antiquity as such isn't really a problem for Indian civilization. It is indeed one of the oldest, if not the oldest.

[@कल्किः]

@@GaneshNarayanan14 I am quite surprised that you constantly claim to be all correct in comparison to all those who have been putting a lot of effort and hard work in their selfless service to ma Bharathi. I have lived in several parts of India and abroad offcourse due to nature of my job, why I am telling you this? is to make you realize that simply demonizing one person or a community just because you do not accept the hard core evidences presented by them because that makes you and your community uncomfortable like the people who invaded, India literally stumbled upon the treasures of Indian advancementents and historical facts, they had to constantly ridicule us to satisfy there own big ego, same is the case with people from tamilland, karnataka, Kerala etc.(This does not mean everyone from these state is illogical or unreasonable or egoistic, I have good friend's too from these places). But most of them/people literally live in some jingoism to prove their point always as the harbingers of the country and legitimate natives of this country since very little addition were made by them in the freedom struggle of India in all the invasions put together, they only loved to protect the little pond they lived in rather than thinking or doing something for the whole country, even to today the most anti-Indian slogans with begging for slavery by foreigners rather then being independent, it often comes from these states only. so all they are left with is to ridicule those who sacrificed a lot for the country for generations and by demonizing and alienating them/people who care for country, in the similar fashion as the invaders did to India, by downplaying Indian history, texts or scriptures etc. Always getting in to unnessassary jingoism fot proving to be legitimate owners of the land, I have come across some highly educated people from the parts of India I had mentioned above but with minimal brains to apply logic or they do not wish to apply it because the narrative to prove themselves to be the one and only forefathers and natives of the country will fall. So keep doing the cheap work of throwing mud at your own country man and continue to satisf your ego help satisfy insecurities of your community and yourself. Sorry but I couldn't stop myself from responding after looking at your constant reaction trying to prove your fake point.

[@lalitthakur4187]

जय श्री राम