Santa Paws 2023 - Shadic (Corrin) vs BeastModePaul (Hero) - Grand Finals

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[@DougDimmadome420]

This Top 8 was far more exciting than WTT’s.

[@Spyder-Marth]

TELL ME ABOUT IT. No Steve, no Sonic, no G&W, no Spamus, we eating good.

[@DGSnowolf]

yeh cause Corrin is so interesting to watch@@Spyder-Marth

[@CarbonMalite]

​@@DGSnowolfShadic in top 8 would have made WTT 10x more bearable.

[@DGSnowolf]

@@CarbonMalite personal taste ig

[@riqua27]

​@@DGSnowolfCorrin specifically SHADIC Corrin is Hype. The movement, the frame trap, the combo game. You see how hard SHADIC styling on BMP. It's insane how good the kid is!!!

[@riqua27]

SHADIC styling on BMP on game 3 followed up by Hero Crit Up SMASH that kill at 50% is just the most Ultimate thing ever!!!

[@lokks2130]

playing this matchup as corrin hits different bro we just outframedata the toss outta hero

[@goldman1996]

so this is what Larry was talking about

[@Spyder-Marth]

Another CorWIN. Keep reminding people that Corrin is high tier! Also daaang BeastModePaul made me play Hero again lol. So nice to see Hero get good results. He is a great counter to the rise of zoners and campy characters. Paul out here proving that Hero was never too "inconsistent" to be viable.

[@riqua27]

At this point calling Corrin a High Tier sounds like a downplay!!!

[@Spyder-Marth]

​@@riqua27 True. If Cloud gets to be S- tier, so does Corrin.

[@riqua27]

​@@Spyder-MarthKola actually said Corrin is top 10 because she has a good MU against SONIC. The current Ultimate meta is so F@#-.

[@lando1296]

6:28 Shadic's recovery here is insane! After 10:52 Shadic just goes full power.

[@Ciaranos]

Wow first low tier city now this Shadic is in his prime no doubt

[@SeriousStriker]

Don't forget his 4th place finish at LMMM where he beat 3 top 15 players in a row and Kola.

[@Scythra]

Man's a top player now, it feels like Sparg0 in his younger years when he was a prodigy. A team really need to pick up Shadic he deserves it!

[@eyyy2271]

@@Scythra maybe faze?

[@riqua27]

​@@eyyy2271I don't think FAZE would be the one who picked up SHADIC. My prediction is the two teams that will most likely pick up SHADIC will be MOIST or SOLARY. Moist because SHADIC is really close to a lot of MOIST members like Jifour and Aaron. SOLARY because I've seen a lot of SOLARY members take interest in SHADIC including Gluttony himself. I personally would like to see SHADIC join team SOLARY. Cause that also means SHADIC will have access to the EU tournament as well. Not to mention Corrin is a french name!!!

[@shanmplayzree]

Both are my favourite players rooted for both 🎉

[@broccoliboy9673]

Out of topic just being cringey But I like dragon quest cause it’s on Xbox 😂

[@gianz2066]

Better player vs better character

[@riqua27]

I'm pretty sure SHADIC is better than BMP. And Corrin is way better than Hero. At current meta Corrin might actually be Top Tier. Tweek said Corrin is like top 3 sword character alongside Aegis and Cloud. Sparg0 even picked up Corrin recently.

[@gianz2066]

@@riqua27 I don't think so. That's the whole reason why don't like the way tier lists are made now. So just because shadic is soo good with shadic now corrin all of a sudden is top tier? That makes no sense in my opinion, either a character is top tier or it's not. A tier list should include a characters max potential based on its attributes and frame data/moveset. Corrin can be really good if you are really good with the character. Look at the way shadic is able to move with that character, it's insane cause HE IS INSANELY GOOD. Yes Corrins dash attributes allow for more precise movement. But the amount of micromovement shadic does within a second is ridiculous. My point is. Purely because of shadics insane performance with corrin, corrin is now all of a sudden considered top tier. But I think hero has a lot more potential. Basically if we had a shadic version that played hero, hero would be rated even higher than corrin

[@riqua27]

@@gianz2066 well that's because results matter more than character analysis.Nobody think Steve is top 1 until Acola and Onin start winning tournament left and right. And that's not just a smash thing. Other fighting games also like that. In Tekken 7 people used to think Akuma is a mid tier. Everybody knew Akuma have this crazy combo even from the early stage of the game. Why does nobody think Akuma is top tier? Because nobody can pull out that death Combo consistently in tournament until Pakistani player came in. And now Pakistani player came in the scene Akuma is considered Top 3. Because Pakistani player are so consistent with the combo. You can analyze character using character analysis. I think that's a good starting point. However you should put that theory to the test. And how you test it is based on result. And in current results it's pretty clear Corrin is really good!!!

[@j.c.1452]

aint reading allat@@riqua27

[@gianz2066]

@@riqua27 but I think tier lists based on results kinda go against the whole purpose of a tier list. When we look at a tier list we want to know how good a character. A results based list doesn't necessarily do that. Like what if a new player came along and won everything with Ganondorf cause his been practicing Ganondorf since the age of 3 for 12H a day ? Does that now make him top tier all of a sudden? Could we than say that Ganondodf is a better character than say Steve? No, Just because someone is able to make a character LOOK really good doesn't mean the character should be considered good. Corrin is a good character, but not that good. It's just shadic being insane with her. The micromovements shadic are able to preform albeit with this character are unprecedented. But that doesn't make corrin a top tier, it just makes shadic a genius. I love your tekken example. This just shows the character should've always been placed as a top tier. Character potential shows real spots on the tier list, not results. With a results based tier list Ganondorf could in theory be placed number one. But that would mean the Ganon user getting the results would have to work a million times harder for the results, sorry that is not what a top tier character is in my opinion.

[@arabmunny]

so y’all just not gonna upload melee