Sapient Voices #2: Abdullah Al-Andalusi - The Dangers of Post-Modernism & Neo-Marxism for Muslims

Abdullah Al-Andalusi explains to Hamza Andreas Tzortzis the dangers of post-modernism and Neo-marxism for Muslims.
Abdullah's website and forthcoming course on race and gender, where he will be addressing neo-marxist and post-modern discourse, can be found here:
Website: abdullahalandalusi.com
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[@Naatchooe]

BarakAllahaufeekum, Brothers.❤ Next time, if possible, please try to invite Br. Bassam Zawadi for some of the topics of Deism, Religious Pluralism (Perennialism), Salvific Exclusivity, the so-called "Problem of Hell" and the Rationale of Hell, inshaaAllah.

[@finishingislamophobessubsc8156]

Timestamps ( to be continued...) 6:13 Difference between Modernism & Post Modernism 13:00 Realism 13:39 Rise of the Cubists 14:28 Expressionists 15:08 Impressionists 15:56 Futurism 16:13 Coming to Postmodernism(Including Relativism+Perspectivism) 19:09 Infinite Interpretations 19:52 Source of Public morality as per Postmodernism 20:30 Chaotic Universe 21:45 Postmodernist's view of Progress 25:10 "God is Dead" 26:20 What about Hierarchy? 29:03 Link between Existentialism & Postmodernism 31:55 Absolute Freedom 39:44 Problems with Postmodernism 44:33 Affluence & Atheism 46:35 Post Modernism clashes with Islam

[@mozzjonas9292]

Barakullah feek

[@finishingislamophobessubsc8156]

@@mozzjonas9292 جزاک اللّٰہ

[@Someone-ct2ck]

My two favorite speakers here. May Allah bless you and preserve you.

[@shawkat9610]

Mashallah loved the podcast! And I'm super excited for Ustadh Abdullah Abdulusi's course at The Quran Institute where he teaches us how to refute these ideologies in-depth!

[@deechonada]

is this online akhi? Asalamualaikum

[@ahnafrashik]

@@deechonada 150doller

[@AmbiCieux]

Abdullah Al Andalusi ! Great guest on Sapient Voices. May Allah strengthen your work and your bonds, brothers

[@uwaisus]

Time Stamps 39:33 Modernism and Post-Modernism from an Islamic Perspective 43:04 Problems with Individualism and how Qur'an deals with it. Dependency of Humans 44:39 Affluence and Atheism 46:34 How Post-Modernism is at clash with Islam 51:53 WHy is postmodernism unislamic? How does it contradict? 1:05:00 Difference between Postmodernism and Neo Marxists 1:15:25 Summary of the history of Marxism (Neo Marxist, Post Marxist) 1:21:41 Key Manifestations of Post Modernisms. How to deal with them? 1:28:00 How do postmodernists and Marxists differ in terms of end goals when intending to remove hierarchy? 1:29:50 Destruction of HIerarchy is Anti Islam 1:30:15 Postmodernists are against the Arabic language and call for its destruction 1:31:10 Why do some Muslims strangely argue that Islam is anti Black? 1:34:06 Why is adopting these ideas problematic for Muslims and Islam? 1:35:21 Replacement for these ideas for Dua't and Dawah? 1:52:15 Islam is not conservative 1:53:30 Critical race theory

[@craighermon5212]

My brother, I found you from ahead of the curve’s channel, I love your content - subscribed.

[@sammu]

This is an extremely important talk. It would've been even more awesome if Daniel Haqiqatjou had made a 30 second cameo, this would've been right in his lane too. Keep up the good work!

[@hibatuadam2777]

Subhanallah and I just to add, thanks to the londonniyah series, and other few books I read, I completely left the feminist movement, I followed it without even understanding what it really stood for. All I knew was it's a movement to better women's lives, turns out it's just the opposite. So am really unlearning a lot of things we grew up with, and as a college student it's really a different feeling, I grew up with these as my direction, now I have to rethink my path. May Allah guide us

[@gegeeh.a8328]

This is my third comment because this podcast was so transformative. Thank you so much to everyone. These podcasts need to have shorter segments of them posted too based on what is being discussed. Amazing work brothers!

[@peaceful_warrior7627]

I think this is the first time these two brothers have shared a public platform, its great to see them together, allahumma barik.

[@zeyad45]

Definitely need to have you both back!

[@talalalazzawi6205]

One the best so far, keep it up, may Allah reward you and elevate you in ranks, Ameen

[@aminqurtubi]

I completely love this podcast!!

[@nahidnoor6421]

Very interesting ! We need more of this with the two of you in discussion insha Allah

[@imammamunu9537]

Always insightful to watch ustag Abdullah. May Allah preserve him. Amin

[@nabeel8194]

Ma sha Allah, absolutely brilliant !

[@hasinabrar3263]

It is always a delight to hear from brother hamza and brother abdullah.

[@gegeeh.a8328]

Brother Hamza thank you so much for your questions throughout and being a great student. You asked every question that was on my mind and you didn’t move on from a point until it was clear enough for everyone to understand. That is so commendable and this is what sapience institute is about.

[@irfanahmed6411]

Dear brothers Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you

[@CheyenneIvory]

May Allah swt bless sapience institute, always love to hear from Abdullah Al Andalusi

[@user-iu4dq6wm1t]

Another great episode, I think this podcast will very quickly be competing with the Though Adventure Podcast as my favourite podcast!

[@akram.ibrahim]

MashaAllah thank you for the podcast.

[@meahmeah.]

I got to say this talk is literally mind blowing. I studied many courses about sociology and feminism etc etc and was holding liberal world views. It highly conflicted the traditional views of Islam and I was felt uneasy when accepting Islam. I really needed someone to unpack to that depth liberal ideas and through it to reveal all its errors and you did exactly this. JazakAllah khir

[@homtanks7259]

Ma'sha'Allah beautiful, jazakAllahu khairan

[@Baraa.K.Mohammad]

This was one of the most beneficial podcasts that I've watched in a very long time... Jazaka Allah khair Ustadh Hamza & Ustadh Abdullah. We definitely need Abdullah back soon! I wanna hear more about Post-Marxism and Post-structuralism and possibly Deconstruction!

[@AvarClan]

This was a great discussion with various points. For sure we should be aware of its dangers as well realize it is implemented in many of our nations, via different names and means.

[@maddybbboy]

Man, aqeedah books really need a 2.0 version that teaches all these stuff.

[@deechonada]

this is actually a great talk

[@jimfromwakanda7991]

MashaAllah 2 brilliant brothers, may Allah Azzawajal bless them, ameen

[@lantumomatrixer7946]

very good discussion 👍🏾

[@seanou2837]

beautiful brother.

[@tkg3491]

One of the most underrated people in the Dawah community, thank you brother

[@RafaelGonzalez-hm5ej]

I agree. However, podcasts (ie Islamic/Muslims) have become synonymous with disappointment. So many podcasts have started; with great content, guests, innovative, etc. The life of the podcasts are short lived. I understand brothers/sisters are busy with other things in their lives, and as a listener we can be selfish. Nevertheless, we need some consistency from these podcasts by our brothers. A good example is Muhammad Hijab's (حفظه الله) podcast. He had interesting guests, covered diverse and interesting topics, and asked tough questions. Yet, it was short lived. I personally learn a lot from them. In shaa Allaah hope to see more podcasts in the near future.

[@fauziajasia2548]

Jazakallahu khairan brothers

[@itsmeazizi8087]

MasyaAllah, love this

[@irfanahmed6411]

Both are legends Allah bless you

[@fahmihassen7498]

ya Ahbabi i am happy to see my buddies together

[@rahmanhakim2151]

Love it.

[@zunairasadiq]

I love both these unclessssssssssss 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@munirahmadqalam-mal5927]

Love you both.

[@Tislyfe]

Masha’Allah

[@h_u_ma_nity]

Masha'Allah. Please bring on Shahid Bolsen on from Middle Nation

[@gegeeh.a8328]

I believe a podcast with you and the boys such as Mohammad hijab and maybe suboor as cohosts would be amazing and just wholesome. Thank you for all your work.

[@Rafm1236]

Subhaanallaah!

[@nailfelagund7508]

Masha'Allah.

[@mitroman100]

I'm SO confused, how have I never seen these two together on the same panel before???

[@AsadAli-jc5tg]

It would have been fun to watch Abdullah the Andalusian debate Michel Focault.

[@AtheismLeadsToIrrationality]

0:57 aameen

[@abbasr.7422]

Islam doesn't deny these individual feelings or wims. It just provide a harmonious balance between reason, feelings and faith.

[@TareqKhan0]

PowerPoint slides and more organized, please.

[@alberxenos]

السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ As-Salaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu

[@bebrave1622]

James Lindsay has lots of great information these topics. He goes into excruciating detail. The only caveat is that he wants to maintain secular liberalism. But to get more information on all of the critical theories, Hegel, The Frankfurt School, Herbert Marcuse, Marxism, etc its a great resouce.

[@iswallbanoo9843]

Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 times a day

[@adamlabnaki9216]

"Love Is a Verb"

[@alib7489]

These podcasts are gold dust but one humble request - please use better audio equipment.

[@af8828]

Overall this is a much more informed criticism than that made by Jordan Peterson, who is totally ignorant on Marxism. Mohammed Hijab, likewise, in his two part refutation of communism was basically doing capitalist agitprop. Andalusi's criticism is definitely leaps and bounds ahead of both. I agree with a lot here, but all of the points made aren't entirely unproblematic either. I didn't take notes so the things I'm mentioning here is just what I remember after my initial listen - if my paraphrasing took his claims out of context please correct me. Rise of capitalism - Abdullah makes an ahistorical claim that capitalism arose from feudalism multiple times. Marxism critiques capitalism so it's important to understand capitalism's origins. (Recommended reading: Less Is More by Jason Hickel) Abolishment of all hierarchy/ postmarxism - I've only ever heard the "absolute abolishment of all hierarchy" argument in the form of mischaracterization by people attempting to refute socialism. Socialists don't expect all hierarchies to disappear... people are obviously unique in their abilities etc. and they'd still be compensated for that accordingly. Socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat. Jobs (i.e. an engineering project) where a lead manager is needed would obviously not magically disappear, implying the manager would be (hierarchically) in a position where they would direct their team, however those who qualify would get a democratic say in choosing the authority, as opposed to the capitalist norm of no say whatsoever. I would agree that *if someone would want an absence of *all ideology* for everyone as an equalizer, that would be problematic, but I honestly don't think that fits within the category of marxism. In certain contexts hierarchy can be useful (as mentioned in the engineering example) and even necessary in which case it wouldn't be removed, even under full out communism. Marx prophecy argument - Marxism isn't a religion in the sense that, say, Liberalism is, and especially not as Islam is. I'd argue its a tool to overthrow capitalism. Marx claimed socialism would be the progression following capitalism... which is still correct. Abdullah asked "why aren't people rising up?" in an attempt to delineate marxism and neomarxism... but people ARE still constantly attempting to rise. The only reason overthrow hasn't occurred globally is because imperialists have allocated damn near infinite resources to suppress proletarian revolution, be it via direct methods i.e. assassination of organizers, outright genocide, or less overt methods, i.e. red scare propaganda, etc. (Recommended reading: Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins). Where Marx WAS likely wrong was in his prediction that the imperial core would be first to adopt socialism - most today agree socialism will begin in the imperial periphery (especially as climate genocide deepens) and the core will be last to adopt it - perhaps after imperialism decays and turns inwards into fascism and then contradictions ripen to a tipping point leading to revolution, الله اعلم. Hamza, this doesn't 'shatter' marxism as an incorrect prophecy by Muhammad (saw) would shatter Islam because marx never claimed to be a prophet, nobody said his analysis couldn't be wrong, it's merely observation of phenomena which are in flux and vary by region. Content working class argument - the ruling class never "made the working class feel content" by allowing better conditions. Again, they kept the working class weak and disorganized. Any labour improvements were fought for by the working class (often thanks to communist leadership), not given. "The working class in england were happy" is a very out of touch statement. It is critical to understand imperialism and globalization here... the working class in an imperialist nation i.e., Sweden, can have social safety and good conditions, but this is still at the expense of another oppressed class, which is the people of the global south who are the most exploited in this case. The cultural hegemony cited by Abdullah doesn't contradict with economic determinism; the ruling class is still an outgrowth of an economic base. Dialectical materialism/ economic determinism - THIS is the most likely area where a contradiction with Islam could arise... but I don't really see a problem with a economic determinism as a base that lays the conditions for the development of cultural phenomena, etc. so long as we acknowledge that everything material is determined by Allah first and foremost regardless, including the economic base. Think of Ibn Khaldun observing/ explaining his surroundings centuries before Marx (Recommended reading: al muqaddimah). He used "asabiyyah" as a base which determined the cultural, economic and other hierarchical outcomes of society. Asabiyyah could, similar to material conditions in marxism, be used as a tool to take action to achieve X societal goal. It could be used by an atheist or a Muslim. A Muslim would simply acknowledge that Allah ultimately dictates asabiyyah as well. I hope this example provides clarification. Language - the light dark/ he she argument sounds like a stance a political liberal obsessed with aesthetics (opposed to improvement of material conditions) would take... from a marxist perspective, there isn't really anything wrong with having gendered language, it can even be appreciated as an aspect of art/ culture. Postmodernism - I really liked the critique of postmodernism. Hamza kept conflating/ attempting to link postmodernism and marxism despite the two contradicting but that[s alright since I guess he was just reacting live. Still incorrect though. I thought the comparison between postmodernism and being enslaved to hedonistic drive was apt. Overrepresentation in academia - marxism is definitely nowhere near predominant within the academy. Academia is without a doubt a bourgeois neoliberal institution. Liberalism/ postmodernism are likely the norm, and perhaps scientism within STEM. Feminism - the example of a woman's labour being exploited by the husband doesn't really contradict Islam... Muslim husbands have fiscal requirements/ compensation (among their own responsibilities) they must meet for their wives. Should they meet these requirements which are agreed upon to be fair by both parties in the marriage contract, there is no exploitation occurring, and thus no contradiction of a Muslim using Marxism as a tool to achieve liberation from exploitation. The outcome doesn't necessarily have to be women working in factories or whatever Abdullah suggested. As I said under the "abolishment of all hierarchy" section, hierarchy can still exist, but in a democratized fashion. This is in line with Islamic principles. There are a ton of other things I could touch on but I don't have all day. This was an improvement over Hijab's horrendous analysis, but still a lot of room for improvement. I hope you adjust before your class.

[@nrXic]

This comment needs to be pinned to the top.

[@af8828]

@@nrXic thanks, it means a lot! unfortunately the dominant narrative with many muslims (due to decades of red scare propaganda, straight up genocide of leftist muslims, integration of economic migrants into the imperial core, etc.) has become to shun those who would best serve as allies in the liberation of the muslim world (the entirety of which is located in the global south) and embrace reactionary outlooks instead.

[@maur_sault750]

Just tell them to stick to their own comic book

[@mohammadhdiebi3249]

I really enjoyed the discussion at the beginning about post-modernism and the contradictions which arise in a “liberal” state. The part about how outright freedom can never be truly attainable is a subtle, clear, and evident reality that needs to be brought up every so often as a reminder The example of France mentioned by Ust.Abdullah is an excellent modern day example of how true “freedom” is unattainable. The state of France bans the hijab with the excuse of “freedom,” but completely denies any women the freedom to wear it I know it’s a simple point, but the sheer and utter hypocrisy and chaos (as Ust.Hamza mentioned) that arises in a liberal society when two conflicting “freedoms” clash with one another is staggering

[@SALAM-rj8dk]

Walaikumasalam warehmatullahi wabarakatuhu ❣️💎

[@RayOfHope8]

❤️❤️❤️

[@nurulhaniyahmadfuad3931]

Do you think it's possible to find solutions to the problems of postmodernism, from the Sufi discourse especially the existentialist ones like Ibn Arabi and Sadra?

[@mmoo8949]

اللهم صل وسلم وبارك على نبينا محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وصحبه وسلم

[@gegeeh.a8328]

Wish I could afford the course

[@SALAM-rj8dk]

Gems

[@Just_logic]

An observation The number of subscribers in more intellectual Chanels are much less than face to face debating Chanel’s. Is that because the audience is different? Is it because this is less entertaining and more informative?

[@astagfirullah2241]

Who are the founders?

[@ahnafrashik]

👍

[@muneebqazi3474]

Can you please replace the white background with black in future podcasts? White strains the eyes

[@hibatuadam2777]

Black. Ei😂that's a bad idea friend

[@maur_sault750]

Friedrich Nietzsche would sum up Islam apologists and dawah team with 'they muddy the water and than tell you it's deep'

[@abdullahx4908]

How?

[@paulthomas281]

What books are there on Amazon written by Abdullah? Has he written any books/monographs? Or does he just talk and blog? (The articles on his website are not really articles.)

[@paulthomas281]

Saying that postmodernists say interpretations are infinite is not putting it properly. Rather, any interpretation is indefinite, uncertain. It is indefiniteness that is the point here.

[@astagfirullah2241]

Is Sapience Institute located in India?

[@Fahad-gf1wx]

This is why my qaum is called burzdil nalayak qaum. Ek minute lagta google karne ke liye lekin nawab saab comment mein puch rhe hain

[@astagfirullah2241]

@Unknown Alien Their address says it otherwise

[@Fahad-gf1wx]

@@astagfirullah2241 it's in uk 🤡

[@thegroove2000]

I have found an error in the Quran. Bones formed before flesh Main Article: Embryology in the Qur'an The Qur'an states that the bones of a human embryo are formed first and then covered up with flesh. By contrast, modern science has shown that muscles and the cartilage 'models' of the future bones start to form at the same time and in parallel. Muscles have started to form before the cartilage models start to be replaced with actual bone. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! Quran 23:14 The Qur'an again parallels the influential Greek physician Galen, who says: And now the third period of gestation has come. After nature has made outlines of all the organs and the substance of the semen is used up, the time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones... Galen, On semen, p.101

[@razer0072073]

22:25

[@FOOTSHOTS1]

We need work in Arabic.. liberals m modernists are very loud in the muslim world.. im from morocco n im worried about my country

[@paulthomas281]

Slavic slaves (white slaves) benefited from higher status than black slaves over long stretches of time in the Middle East, in Islamic societies. Abdullah knows this very, very, very, very well. The statement that Muslims enslaving people left, right and centre precluded a racial hierarchy (because they were enslaving many peoples) is ludicrous.

[@paulthomas281]

Tribalism, ignorance, in/out groupness, etc. are inadequate to explain racism fully. Tribalism only partially explains racism. And it's not just critical race theorists who would say so. Liberals, too.

[@sleeptherapy4811]

Unfortunately too much waffling from Abdullah. He could simplify the the big terms for ordinary viewers.

[@hamzazulfi]

Waffling and difficult words are 2 different things bro.

[@jarrodyuki7081]

japan will retake the kurils.

[@tranium67]

35:57