'Sar jo tera chakraaye' Composed by S D Burman

‘Sar jo tera chakraaye’ in Pyaasa Composed by S.D. Burman
In England, Guru Dutt brought picked up records of a film which was initially named ‘Harry Black’. I had read it decades back. Later, the film was rechristened as ‘Harry Black And The Tiger’ for the Indian audiencew. After so many years, one doesn’t find Harry Black on internet, though I am sure about it.
In India, ‘Harry Black And The Tiger’ was released in 1958 as per the available data, while Pyaasa was released in 1957. How come Pyaasa song was inspired from the English film? There are two explanations for this:
1. Guru Dutt must have got records of ‘Harry Black’.
2. The records of ‘Harry Black’ (possibility the film too) may have been released before the release of Pyaasa in 1957.
3. The following sentence from the book, ‘Ten Years With GURU DUTT’, says it all:
“It was from the film ‘Harry Black and the Tiger’, which, though Guru Dutt did not know it then, would be released later in India.” (Page 71)
From above, t is clear that the English tune was available to Guru Dutt before the release of ‘Harry Black And The Tiger’.
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‘My Father My Friend’
(Interview of Pancham)
This interview of Pancham was conducted by Mr Raajan Baalaa, which appeared in The ‘Free Press Journal’ dated 26th Oct 1975. The interview was taken on Wednesday 23rd Oct 1975, 11 am Film Centre Tardeo (background music arrangement of Dharam Karam was going on) ... just a few days before SDB was no more.
Pancham:
“I had developed an ear for music and did my own compositions. Most of them were 'chaalu' tunes. Nothing serious till then. One day my father while on a brief visit to Calcutta asked if I had composed anything. I sang a song for him ---- my own.”
(details of song truncated as a respect for Pancham's later year's admission, that he did a grave mistake by telling in public through interview/s that he had composed song/s for his father. So, request his "real" fans to follow suit and see just the real purpose which follows in the paragraph below)
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I have shared only one para of what Pancham is supposed to have said, followed by comments, within brackets, by a very senior SD-RD fan. Readers are free to understand what is said within the brackets. I have complete interview with me, as shared by this fan in our SDB group on SDB.
When I asked him, which was/were the song/s truncated (hidden) by him, he has told me that as both SDB and RDB are no more, let their soul rest in peace.

[@meridutta7828]

Nice song👍👍👍

[@k.m.alaminbaqee]

Beautiful sound, like profissional.

[@lalwanimoti]

@k.m.al Amin Baaqee ji,. I'm not a professional. However, I'm happy that I'm able to share these gems with our younger generation. Actually, it was Shantanu Moitra, the music director of Parineeta, who gave me this idea of sharing on KZbin. Thanks for encouragement.

[@k.m.alaminbaqee]

@@lalwanimoti Dear Moti ji, Thank you very much for your reply. I am ever seen your post all videos. Those videos are informed about S D Burmon. But this video sound quality very good and Sharp. It's like profissional but same previous video sound are not same quality. Little bit lower than this video.

[@lalwanimoti]

@@k.m.alaminbaqee You are right. Part of some videos is very low. Unfortunately, in KZbin there's no way of increasing volume. Thanks for comments.

[@praveenkumarsingh1851]

Moti ji please read my remarks on top. It's time we come out with a clarification on the subject.

[@anjanabanerjee1452]

Unke. Bare. Me. Itnakuchh. Bolneko. Tha. Jo kehio kesath. Khatam. Ho. Gaye. Par. Firvi. Kuchh. Kuchh. Avbhi. Logo. Ke. Juban. Se sunne. Ko. Milrahe. Hae. Bahat. Sukriya. Sabko. Sare. Team. Up. Or. Dadake fansko.

[@jyotishkabasu4341]

Sir, what's the song which is the source of 'Sar jo tera takraye'? Pls post that song

[@lalwanimoti]

@Jyotishka Basu, Guru Dutt had picked up a bunch of 78 rpm records of English songs during his visit to England. There was one tune he liked a lot, and he decided to graft it on to Pyaasa. It was from the film Harry Black and the Tiger, which, though Guru Dutt did not know it then, would be released later in India. S. D. Burman, who was composing the music for the film, was asked to copy the song note for note. Of course, Dada Burman was very upset by the instruction. He came to me and said, “What is this that Guru is asking of me, public mujhe marega. Please explain to him, he listens to you, let me put in a little of my own tune into the song . . . change it a bit . . .’ But Guru was adamant- the tune would have to be copied hundred percent in the mukhda at least. ‘Let him do what he wants in the antara,’ he decreed and Burman Dada had to be content with that. However, the music director waved his baton effectively enough to blend the tune with his own melody in such a manner that no one really noticed the surgery, and the song remains a hit even today. ‘In fact, later, when the producer of Harry Black and the Tiger visited India, he heard the song and not only failed to recognize the tune, but commended Dada on it’ Abrar laughs. (Source: ‘Ten Years with Guru Dutt - Abrar Alvi’s Journey’ an authorized biography by Sathya Saran, Pages 71 and 72)

[@jyotishkabasu4341]

@@lalwanimoti Yes sir, I'v read it, but I couldn't find the song. Pls post it if you have

[@lalwanimoti]

@@jyotishkabasu4341 Please try Google. Even if you find it, there will be no similarities. SD Burman was a master craftsman. Normally he didn’t copy, as his original tunes were better than any foreign tunes. He had done vast research in folk tunes, roaming around in villages of his own Tripura, Bihar and UP. He mixed those folk tunes, with classical to create fusion music in 1930s. Thanks for the comments.

[@jyotishkabasu4341]

@@lalwanimoti ok sir, thanks

[@lalwanimoti]

@@jyotishkabasu4341 Please see the complete film 'Harry Black And The Tiger' in KZbin on this link. You may find the song you are looking for: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmHQp3djhtCXbas

[@praveenkumarsingh1851]

Madam apne suni kya wo dhun?..ya sathya saran ki book padh ke bol rahi hain?... aisi koi dhun nahin harry black tiger mein...moti ji, i have translated that book ten years....in hindi. While doing so i went thru this music of harry black and tiger 100 times, and could never find any similarity or inspiration for sar jo tera chakraye. I am a half trained musician myself but As per me it's a rumour or the whole thing has been incorrectly mentioned in the book. It's time you come out with a clarification on the subject as many music lovers have been asking me this question...

[@lalwanimoti]

@ praveen kumar singh, 1. The original Harry Black was released in England sometime in mid-1950s. Guru Dutt had got records of Harry Black while on a visit there. The film's name was changed to Harry Black and The Tiger for Indian release in 1958. 2. Ms Anitaa Padhye is a respected author who has written quite a few book on Indian cinema based on her recorde interviews. She is quoting Devi Dutt, brother of Guru Dutt who produced and directed Pyaasa. Devi Dutt becomes the most reliable source. 3. Abrar Alvi was Guru Dutt's right hand man for 10 years. He happens to be the second most reliable person who narrates how 'Sar jo tera chakraaye was composed by SD Burman. 4. Anand-Milind due of music successful music directors at one time have given their opinion that orchestration, rhythm pattern, balancing etc is like that of SD Burman. There can't be any more discussion on the subject.

[@praveenkumarsingh1851]

@@lalwanimoti moti ji thanks for your research and time given on the subject... you have been an encyclopedias on movies but i agree that there can't b any more discussion on the subject with people of closed minds.the movie is available on you tube.and if u have an iota of musical ears, please watch the movie and look for ' inspiration of the song ' THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT TUNE. WHATSOEVER ANYWHERE....

[@lalwanimoti]

@@praveenkumarsingh1851 Please read my point number one. The original movie was named Harry Black released in England. There were some changes made for Indian audience - I have no idea which changes - and the movie relesed in India as Harry Black And The Tiger. If you have the original movie Harry Black's KZbin link, please share with me. Thanks.

[@lalwanimoti]

@@praveenkumarsingh1851 It has also been said by Devi Dutt and Abrar Alvi that Dada changed to tune completely and made it his own. SD Burman was an expert in such things, as I have gathered from those who knew him well.

[@praveenkumarsingh1851]

Moti ji..yes..i am looking for original movie and original music..wil definitely share with you. We wil resolve this for sure. The indian version doesn't have that song. .i wil get the original track from London .thanks

[@soulsangat]

sir its son RDB composed gift to father SDB..

[@lalwanimoti]

@soulsangat, Are you suggesting that you know more than three others who were present during Pyaasa in 1957? The three are all distinguished persons, Devi Dutt brother of Guru Dutt, Abrar Alvi the right hand man of Guru Dutt, and the third person Kersi Lord who is known the world over. When will you guys grow up and accept that when RDB has not claimed it himself, how do you bring his name. Even the titles do not mention his name.

[@soulsangat]

@@lalwanimoti sir it is established since years by several sources... that this song is RDB composition... RDB never claimed anything he contributed to his great Papa's film.. but we all know his contributions espacially in the movies of last era of dada burman.. I love both.

[@lalwanimoti]

@@soulsangat If you love both then respect both. Don’t take away credit from to the other. By maintaining RD you are implying that everyone else is telling a lie. That goes on to show how badly our younger generation has been brainwashed by social media misinformation. At your age you keep your mind open, you will learn a lot. Watch my latest interview of Ranjit Gazmer on SD Burman - Part Six on KZbin. He is last surviving member of SDB and RD team who worked with RD till his last film 1942 - A Love Story released after RD’s death in 1994.

[@soulsangat]

@@lalwanimoti i already watched.. i respect you and your work so much.. but sir kabhi chhote burman pe bhi apna prem barsaaiye... i can never undermine dada burman.. if you felt.. then i am sorry.. bas mujhe Pancham se bahut zyada pyar hai. lekin woh hain to dada burman k hi suputr. love for all.

[@ayushgajbhiye6468]

@@soulsangat rd burman was a mediocre music composer of the 70s and 80s when hindi music started deteriorating and SD burman was G.O.A.T !

[@ghalibmahmudlaskar5980]

Sir one thing I want to ask you.Pramod Chakraborty's Ziddi whose music and songs were composed by legendary SD Burman became the 4th highest money earner at the box office when newly released in 1964,one song which Rafi Saab sang in that film Teri Soorat Se Nahin Milti kisi ki Soorat was it Legendary SD Burman's own tune or his son legendary RD Burman's tune because I have forgotten I read somewhere that as Legendary RD Burman was Asst Music Director in that film he composed the tune of the song unofficially which was written by Legendary Hasrat Jaipuri.

[@lalwanimoti]

@Ghalib Mahmud lasker, Dada ko koi bhi tune, kisi aur ne nahin banaya. Yeh baat khud Manohari Singh ne, jo khud Dada ke music arranger thay, unhonein hamaare interview mein kahi hai. Dekh leejiyega.

[@ghalibmahmudlaskar5980]

@@lalwanimoti Thanks very much for your information Sir.

[@panchamsmagic2868]

@@lalwanimoti So sir , ae meri topi palat ke aa RD burman ki composition hain ya sd burman ki, because RD burman ki biography RD Burman the man the music mein likha hain ki RD burman ne ae meri topi palat ke aa ki tune banai thi and wo book saare musicians ke saath interview ke baad hi likhi gayi thi, so kya yeh sach hain?

[@lalwanimoti]

@@panchamsmagic2868 Aap humein Apna Email address share kariye, hum aap ko proof bhej denge. Comments ke liye shukriya.

[@panchamsmagic2868]

@@lalwanimoti Sir, I was only asking ki ae meri topi palat ke aa ki tune sd burman ki hi hain ya pancham da ki, I know aap right info doge, this is my email ID [e-mail]

[@raktimbaruah8482]

This is RD's creation...No doubt about it with due respect to Sachin Karta

[@lalwanimoti]

@Raktim Baruah ji, With due respect to you, you have been brain-washed by lies on social media. Similarly in live programs, some people go on stage and claim that they knew RD, and narrate other lies to impress others. Were you there when ‘Sar jo tera chakraaye’ was recorded. NO. Well these people in the video were there like Abrar Alvi and Kersi Lord, and Anita Padhye heard it Guru Dutt’s brother. Keep your mind open and you will learn many things provided you get proof.

[@ayushgajbhiye6468]

@@lalwanimoti who thefuck is rd ?