Sardonicast 99: Dune, Last Night in Soho, Godzilla (1954)

[@AliAMotamed]

Timestamps: 0:00 - Intro 1:36 - Dune 50:50 - Last Night in Soho 1:21:21 - Godzilla 1:45:53 - Q&A 1:46:02 - Worst Documentary you’ve seen? 1:49:23 - Which popular horror franchise would you write a script for, if given the chance? 1:50:55 - Which is better, movies alone or with friends? 1:51:23 - Do you think, this wave of reboots remakes and sequels will ever end? 1:55:00 - How often do you guys clean your screens? 1:56:37 - THE AUDIENCE recommends Possession (1981) and The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie (2004)! 1:58:46 - Sardonicast Episode 100 will be live streamed MONDAY, NOVEMBER 22nd!

[@AliAMotamed]

Just wanted to thank anyone who has expressed their gratitude for the timestamps in the past. I don’t usually respond but I see all the comments and they’re much appreciated. Means a lot, here’s to 100 episodes of Sardonicast! See you on Nov 22nd!

[@Axza00]

I recommended Possession and sacrificed a baby to Lucifer. Seems like he accepted my sacrifice.

[@chrisadams7000]

@@AliAMotamed your work is much appreciated!

[@omarsabir1210]

🙏🙏

[@R0CKDRIG0]

Very based of the fanbase to have chosen Possession.

[@ayanguha710]

Adam saw Venom in theaters and Dune at home. A true Cinephile

[@nisargkhatri9994]

I fee jealous

[@concrete_dog]

I really don't get the problems with the thopters/roflcopters here. This is a universe where they have fucking skyscraper-sized interstellar aircraft, they have force shields and levitation technology. It's really not a stretch to imagine they managed to replicate the flight mechanics of a dragonfly and put it into a larger aircraft, technology which literally already exists on Earth and which, biologically speaking, is a very efficient and agile form of flight. If you care so much about realism in this sci-fi universe this is honestly the last thing you should be thinking about and it really grinds my gears when people treat science fiction like that.

[@gaseredtune5284]

I also really doubt the criticism of it has any ground in aerodynamic knowledge, but most of all i can’t imagine watching a movie and focusing on such a silly small thing

[@eyegrinder94]

I think peoples actual problem with it is less that it's unrealistic and more that it just looks kinda dumb, which is distracting.

[@MrYomaaaan]

@@eyegrinder94 Idk about that, I freaking love the design.

[@justinstark5732]

@@eyegrinder94 It should be noted that the books is suppose to have a more 60's psychedelic aesthetic so that design makes sense

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

Alex GETS Dune

[@Charles12]

Unlike Adum

[@madhousestudios5214]

@@Charles12your positive experience does not illegitimize his lukewarm experience

[@Charles12]

@@madhousestudios5214 ok and?

[@YggdrasilAudio]

Dune '84 is almost Adum and Pals material. I would actually love to see that episode.

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

Omg yes!!!

[@duartevader2101]

Do it, Adum!

[@heiwa132]

Yeah I love lynch but it's not a great film, probably his worse

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

Nonono they need to cover the Syfy miniseries *The GUILD... does not... accept. YOUR ORDERS*

[@YggdrasilAudio]

@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 Okay, you're right. That's a better idea. *wE hAvE nO cHoIcE*

[@Brave_SJ]

Hearing the boys speculate that Duncan Idaho isn't really dead and is coming back gave me quite the chuckle.

[@YggdrasilAudio]

I honestly don't know why people were confused about the shields. In the scene they're introduced we see the main character bonk it with his sword with varying velocity and it only penetrates at a slow speed.

[@ThreadBomb]

'People' don't pay attention, or they are dumb.

[@Magicalnora]

That was masterful visual explanation

[@frankmerker630]

You need to TELL and copiously EXPLAIN rather than just show. C'mon people, George Lucas knew how to do it

[@dirrdevil]

The Mass Effect video game series works in a similar fashion. Kinetic barriers deter projectiles, but allow wearers to sit in the chairs with their shields up. That's why melee attacks bypass shields.

[@LiftedBlader]

@@frankmerker630 "the slow blade penetrates the shield" is literally a line in the first scene you see shields

[@Matthimeo]

I will say as a dune book fan that there is absolutely no way you could make dune one movie and make money from it, would be a 5 hour movie, and from the limited amount of screenings and people that would want to sit through a movie that long, it would be a guaranteed massive flop. I fully understand the frustration the movie brings by not feeling like a complete story the way other franchise starters do, but as far as the adaptation can go this is probably the best way to do it, as making it a TV show convey the sense of epic scale and detail in the world on a TV budget is also something that would probably fail.

[@mojavefry2617]

Some tips to understanding Godzilla films: - The Showa Era is the first run of Godzilla movies. The Godzilla from the second movie onwards is essentially another Godzilla, basically another member of his species. Stuff got pretty darn campy, which leads to the - Heisei Era, which was a hard reset on continuity, replacing everything from the second movie onwards. Godzilla is consistently an antagonist in these films, and the plots are far more serious in tone. The films eventually end with this Godzilla dying, with his adoptive child (NOT Minilla) becoming the new Godzilla. Then came the 1998 movie. Moving on. - The Millennium Era, which was Toho seeing the mistake that was the 1998 film and bringing Godzilla back. There is an intense focus on action in these films, ending with the very entertaining but incredibly campy Final Wars, with visual kei aliens as villains and a soundtrack of nu metal. Then Toho took a break to give America a second chance with the Legendary movies. Though they like them, they still want their own Godzilla projects. Thus, - The Reiwa Era, consisting mostly of animated projects that are all different continuities and takes on Godzilla. Shin Godzilla is the only live action film so far in this era. The most recent installment has been the Netflix anime Godzilla: Singular Point.

[@producoesgomi1168]

The Heisei era really was a solid series of films. I kinda wish that the monsterverse followed on the same ideas and formula, just with more developed characters (Miki Saegusa standing out).

[@maximyllion]

he's not "essentially another godzilla", he just IS another godzilla.

[@maximyllion]

also, toho should just make another godzilla movie at this point, since they actually know what the fuck they're doing.

[@Jezzascmezza]

Ralph’s back 🙂 I’m glad he sounds much better and more into the discussions in this episode

[@skonczylosie64]

I get Adam's take about the roflcopters but he really ben shapiro's that piece of design jokes aside the discussion was really nice and it was fun to hear Ralph finally be excited about something

[@seankemp9706]

He's been excited about Tenet for a year though

[@runningsandwich]

Ben Shapiro as a verb is very funny

[@Xandru3434]

Ben Shapiroing is his meal.

[@NotAFakeName1]

I actually liked the chanting theme in dune. I've only seen the movie once so maybe this interpretation is wrong but I viewed it as a bene geserit theme that was effective in conveying how powerful and threatening they are. And when it plays for the judge lady's death at the end, I thought it was appropriate because it wasn't actually playing for her death. It was playing for Paul. It kicks in when she declares that she serves him above the emperor, and because she's Paul's first follower she symbolizes the beginning of his ascent to the power and influence of the bene geserit, so they play their theme for him.

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

Actually when Kynes says "I only serve one master" she means the sandworm, Shai Hulud, not Paul. If you remember her faith had been showcased earlier in the movie too.

[@elorxs]

"Maybe Duncan isn't even dead?" *Laughs about 45 times*

[@thomascolabella5757]

I AM NOT YOUR STUD! - Duncan #6024

[@oneiroagent]

I would really love to see Duncan as a ghola but in a movie.

[@concrete_dog]

:(

[@liesalllies]

"the ending was kind of dour" *Also laughs about 45 times*

[@clanofclams2720]

31:40 uum... no? the voice is a bene gesserit exclusive talent. The pilot definitley didn't use it

[@bigsmellbad1187]

Thank God someone said it ... I was like since when does a harkonnen grunt have the Voice?

[@3U9ENE]

Seriously what movie did he watch?

[@esock2001]

@@NeverSaySandwich1 to be fair, it’s just Ralph agreeing with Alex which means he’ll say anything even if he disagreed earlier

[@RPanda3S]

Ralph really needs to stop getting high before seeing these movies / doing these podcasts.

[@RPanda3S]

It's especially maddening because I thought it was a particularly good scene, and I don't know why Alex, who said he watched it twice and a half, didn't call out Ralph on the blatant misunderstanding of what was happening. Of course, these are fools who watched this shit without subtitles, so I guess I can't expect much when they're putting in so little effort Adum won't restart his app to watch it with subtitles. Sad.

[@tocks14]

I feel like the Dune movie goes to great lengths to explain how exactly how the shields work during the training scene with Duncan and Paul. Did these guys all skip that part?

[@Shamrock797]

Agreed, although I’m not sure if I recall an explanation as to *why* the shields work. Essentially they are designed to stop bullets and other projectiles with high kinetic energy. That would’ve been weird to state in the film, but makes sense in the fictional universe.

[@screwintuna]

They miss a lot of stuff all the time

[@bigsmellbad1187]

The way I'd pay money just to spew my dune knowledge into the podcast

[@LetoAtreides]

Honestly same

[@alyssamarie1498]

Same

[@andreifilip6364]

Right? We need these live

[@ryanlts_9684]

They should've get Marcus on here

[@omarsabir1210]

The movies covers like only 1% of the story in the grand scheme of the dune saga

[@JovemEverton]

Dune is kind of a response to the white savior, the One story. There is already some foreshadowing of it in the first part, but Paul's journey will get darker. There is a great line in the book that discuss the theme: “No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.” Dune is ultimately a story about the dangers of saviors.

[@BigBossTooN]

Exactly. Calling Dune a white savior movie is like calling Watchmen just another superhero comic.

[@Magicalnora]

@@BigBossTooN or the boys as a BTS on the Avengers 😂

[@drifter402]

This conversation is so stupid.

[@mannyoftheeast3318]

@@drifter402 Do you agree or disagree with the original comment?

[@thewrongsorcerer]

1:36:24 Japan actually still has an emperor. He's more like the queen of England though when it comes to governing

[@lucyw4195]

When the main character got the "incorrect vision" in Last Night in Soho, I interpreted it as just the main character's mind playing tricks on her. The main character sees Stacey as an innocent, so it makes sense for her to imagine she's the victim. While I was watching, I felt like the movie distinguished between scenes in which the main character has a vision of what actually happened (every scene where she's transported to a different physical location) and scenes where the main character is hallucinating (every scene where the main character was seeing ghosts intrude into her modern life - in her room, the library, etc). I have very mixed feelings about the movie as a whole - I didn't like the over the top campiness in the last act and never found the monsters scary - but the "incorrect vision" made sense to me as something the traumatized main character would hallucinate.

[@cbb3480]

Lol Stacey

[@alfie4234]

I loved Last Night In Soho, but the third act was pretty silly and campy.

[@hongquiao]

"Last Night in So So" more like... But kidding aside, I really enjoyed it despite a few clichés.

[@Jackattack359]

Me too

[@whateverworksmate.721]

Me too!

[@bartholen]

I enjoyed it as well, but it gets worse and worse over time because of Terence Stamp's character and how his role was written. The way it plays out is one of those maddening plot conveniences, and without it the movie would fall apart.

[@Jackattack359]

@@bartholen I see your point but I wouldn’t say it getting worse is the correct term, I would say it just starts to loose itself, you can say how similar that still sounds all you want but that’s just me

[@pureevil9496]

Adam has truly bizarre inner logic that I don't believe I'll ever be able to comprehend

[@zbh9268]

Wow a Sardonicast where I have seen and liked all 3 of the films they're discussing. This is a rarity for me.

[@osterro]

"Caladan sounds like Canada" That's just a funny North American mindset😄

[@gandalfandferg280]

Aw man i really liked last night in soho. Its the presentation that hooked me.

[@Jackattack359]

I mean they sound mostly mixed about it

[@yezen6889]

“Knock knock” “Who’s there” “Dune” “Dune who” “Dune your mom”

[@Cousin_Uli]

As a die hard kaiju fan, I can say with 100% certainty, unless you are really into the concept of kaiju movies, you probably aren't gonna have fun watching most of the godzilla movies. It is a gauntlet, and you won't have fun. For people not quite into the genre I'd say maybe give the 90's Gamera movies a try.

[@CoooolRocks]

Gamera rules.

[@weedblaster2125]

Zendaya said "This is only the beginning" and I thought hey, that's a weird thing to say in the middle of a movie. Then I moved my mouse.

[@Brandon-rb4sm]

It’s an atrocious thing to say at the end of one

[@Charles12]

@@Brandon-rb4sm its not the absolute worst thing to say though

[@esock2001]

31:44 Ralph says the pilot starts using the voice? What? That never happened

[@raulinurminen7299]

I was wondering the same thing. Did we watch the same movie? Was he high during the movie or just not paying attention?

[@pureevil9496]

Explanation: weed.

[@freem8son86]

I would recommend watching Dune twice, I had a much better experience the second time. I had accepted the abrupt ending and the 'part one-ness' of it, and I had a clearer idea of the world and the terms they were throwing around. It allowed me to just relax and soak in the epic visuals and sound.

[@phinnyouchoobs]

It's even better reading the book afterwards up to the point where the film ends. It gives it so much more insight and makes it so much more satisfying watching the film again afterwards.

[@dominicj.6136]

Same here! There were a couple of spots that annoyed me on first watch, but on second watch they really didn't bug me as much.

[@aarongutierrez7705]

Eh watching it a second time wasn’t that much better for me considering I know that nothing eventful happens after the second act.

[@rosebudd193]

@@phinnyouchoobs finish the book and read the sequels. I dont understand people trying not to spoil an as of yet unmade movie by reading the source material. Especially when the films goal is to be a faithful adaptation , all you are doing is edging yourself for 3 years only to probably be left sort of confused again and have to go back and read the rest anyways.

[@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE]

I’d also recommend watching it high on subsequent rewatches, it was an unbelievable experience in theatres.

[@MrMoneyclips]

I'm just glad Ralph is awake for this episode. I like awake Ralph.

[@waywardlaser]

I am now convinced that he was fucking baked during the last episode

[@pleaserewind295]

@@waywardlaser You think? Ralph is doing a lot more than smoking weed.

[@bigaaron]

@@pleaserewind295 literally how can you say that

[@Brandon-rb4sm]

@@bigaaron because he’s doing the drugs with Ralph

[@mojavefry2617]

If you guys want a really good guide on what films to check out. James Rolfe did a video going over what films beginners can get into. He also dedicated an entire month of Monster Madness films to covering the Godzilla series.

[@FrenchFries2]

Oh my god it finally happened, thank you everyone who voted, everyone who commented about it and thanks to the Sard Lads for actually letting it be on the podcast even if it's for a meme, very appreciated either way.

[@mellowtron214]

There is a pretty interesting interview with Frank Herbert explaining his inspiration for Dune. He said he worked as a civil engineer in the Oregon/Washington area, and his job was to study why this one sand dune kept blowing up from the shoreline, over the nearby highway and blocking traffic. Saying that upon studying the movement of the sand over time, it acts essentially like slow moving water. This got him fascinated by sand dunes and then deserts, soon he realized that *the majority of the worlds great religions were all spawned out of deserts (Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Gnosticism, Hinduism) and how there is something almost metaphysical or mythological about a desert.* Lol in my mind, as a child reading his books, I always thought of the spirit temple from Zelda ocarina of time. The music, the architecture, the general atmosphere. And I 1000% agree with Herbert on the desert aesthetic being one of mysticism and grandeur. I think that idea, the magic of deserts, is somewhere deep in human culture almost universally, largely based on the popularity of religious mythology most of which take place in deserts. I think the setting, and as I think Alex put it “the ecology”, makes for a deep well of cultural concepts to draw from. There is something inherently mystical about Dune based solely on its setting and the mythology surrounding that setting.

[@Stan844]

Well put!

[@mellowtron214]

*Im rewatching the DUNE remake, and I can’t help but think back to Herbert and his sand dune covered highway. In his case, and in the context of DUNE, the sand dunes are kind of an allegory for predestined fate in the face of nature running its course. There is also the idea of sand as representing time in a psychical form, the “sands of time” and sand in an hour glass, always ending the same way. Paul can see the future but is unable to stop it from happening to him, his life is living him and he is struggling to understand the predetermined road set out before him, as the highway ecologists fail to understand the inevitable movement of a dune over man made structures. The Fremen are in tune with nature, in their case they would have built the highway around the dune to never have the issue in the first place. Knowing that the inertia of nature’s will cannot be altered by human meddling. And for this bending to natures ways, they are seen as primitives by those who wish to break and exploit nature to their will, and are thus underestimated for living in harmony with nature/time, instead of trying to dominate it. The Fremen know the sand dune will flow, they have waited for centuries for the wave to crash, and sat by waiting for the day that nature sides with them against their enemies. The sands of time run their course, and they simply wait for time to unwind the path laid before them. Once Paul stops trying to sculpt reality, and becomes a part of it, he becomes unstoppable to those who are limited in their scope. I’m on sleeping pills so maybe this sounds insane, but it makes sense to me and that’s all that matters.*

[@CoooolRocks]

I watched all of the Godzilla movies last year and it was worth it. Seeing the progression of the stories and special effects from the 50s to today was unlike anything else and I highly recommend watching them all. It might have more variety than any other series. No matter what you like, there is probably a Godzilla film for you. From Gojira to Godzilla vs. Destroyah to GMK to Final Wars to Shin Godzilla. Thanks for talking about the original!

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

I disagree with Adum and agree more with Alex. I absolutely LOVED the new Dune. I thought the ending was a subtle indication of the journey Paul is going on. It acts like a triumph but really it's the moment that Paul loses himself and kills someone who, if he had lived, would've been a friend and mentor to him. I agree the last line wasn't great but it wasn't "absolute fucking cancer". I'd say that's an exaggeration. The more I see it, the more I love it

[@omarsabir1210]

I'm used to adum being very harsh on movies

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

@@omarsabir1210 yea, Alex can be harsh too. I just think Alex got the point of the movie a bit more and Adum seemed to be kind of rooting for it to fail and determined to be disappointed by it (just a feeling a get, I could totally be wrong about that)... idk maybe me and everyone else who thinks it's a Sci fi/ cinematic masterpiece are wrong. I read all 6 Dune books a year ago when the movie was announced and really enjoyed them. I'm a film student and have been following Villeneuve's career for a while, and I think he just absolutely nailed this one.

[@Paradox-dy3ve]

To anyone who's interested here are some videos analyzing a few production elements of the movie: Visual effects: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3qupqOKnsergbM This one's on the music (which I rather enjoyed): kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmaTh6WpgsSrorc This is for the sound design: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX2Vfq2AgLx0q7M

[@pp1942]

The last line is obviously for marketing lol

[@pleaserewind295]

@@Paradox-dy3ve Adam has liked the director's other work a lot. I don't really see him wanting this to be bad.

[@unimpressedalchemist]

I don't understand the criticism of "The story is basic if you remove the interesting subtext". For one, I wouldn't even call it subtext; it's a full on allegory that is constantly present throughout the whole film, and every movie is basic if you remove the interesting parts. 9/10.

[@richwrites5683]

I feel insulted that Alex didn't call the SpongeBob movie "epic"

[@designtechdk]

Nah Ralph, Paul’s story is a subversion of the hero’s journey. At least once you know the whole journey…

[@tenzinmutuzaki8228]

Problem is, the movie doesn’t give you the full story. His confusion is warranted since literally Dune part 1 is an incomplete story.

[@clayjack9969]

Edgar Wright subdued the thing he is best at which is his comedic style and super snappy editing and pacing because he wants his work to be taken more seriously. It’s unfortunate cause a lot of his less serious movies are way more fondly remembered and beloved than what won best picture the same year. King’s speech is good but people don’t seem to love it as much today as Scott pilgrim. Also to address Adam’s point about Soho making him criticize his other work I actually see the opposite. Edgar Wright’s directing, pacing, dialogue, structure and attention to detail were able to turn movies with very standard and cliche premises into modern classics. He created movies with basic and easy to understand stories in order to give more time for great comedy and other very entertaining scenes. But when you take those out but don’t put anything in to replace them the movie feels hollow.

[@franklinbadge1215]

Soho has creative editing in it, just not in the same snappy style he's known for

[@clayjack9969]

@@franklinbadge1215 yeah but most of the rest of the movie is underwhelming. Not bad I would say but not great. Editing is incredibly important but it can very rarely save lackluster story and script, mainly elevate them into being incredible.

[@franklinbadge1215]

@@clayjack9969 I thought the story was servicable, much like in baby driver. I think it's the filmmaking which makes thesed movies special. And I thought the acting was pretty solid in this one too

[@thebeingdestroyerofworlds8690]

The dune film is a 7/10 for me, but the throat singing hardukar scene was a 12/10

[@designtechdk]

Sardaukar

[@johnwise9811]

XD

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

The Sardukar do go Hardukar that's true. I really really like the house Atreides music on the sketchbook album because it incorporates a number of things we don't hear ttogether in the movie, but they work so goddamn well. Give it a listen if that's your 12/10 scene.

[@superanxiety261]

It's really interesting hearing different people's takes on Dune, it really drew me in and I thought it was really cool, even if I had to watch it twice to understand anything that happened

[@nezfromhki]

Hmm, I thought the story was fairly simple. Sure, there were a lot of factions with "weird" scifi names but otherwise I didn't have difficulty following the plot. What did you find confusing the first time watching?

[@Steve_Zilla]

I am happy I found this podcast with three of my favorite KZbinrs. I love the discussion, especially the part about Godzilla. Godzilla movies are definitely an acquired taste; they are a great lesson in tone.

[@Scott_McKewl]

Last night in Soho played out better in my head as I watched it, I thought the protagonist was actively working at the thai massage parlor by night earning cash and was imagining a 60's lifestyle while being abused by gross men as she is helpless and acts as a bystander to her own unconscious perverted actions in the area at night thus contributing to her constant mental breakdowns while she is conscious during the day. But then when ghosts were revealed and the twist with the old lady lost me. The costumes and dancing were my favourite parts of the movie.

[@jay1jayf]

You thought the movie was sucker punch, lmao.

[@fbritannia]

I'm glad Alex really enjoyed Dune, it's not my favorite book but it's one of my favorite book series, it's a wonderful universe, I hope he digs deeper as Dune is the best book, but the others add so much more context to the original one. Dune is incomplete without Messiah IMO. And God Emperor is such a trip. The Lynch's Dune soundtrack is much better, Prophecy is one of my favorite film themes ever, much more mysterious and mythical.

[@liesalllies]

There's a guy who does fan edits of the Villeneuve film with the toto soundtrack and it's dope.

[@L-kun]

As a Godzilla fan, their discussion bit was painful.

[@Yonggary1999isamasterpiece]

Yes. It was. At least they got the allegory even if they have no appreciation for Tokusatsu

[@alexwizard1887]

Me too, I enjoy the campiness of old Godzilla films. I mean, there are some bad ones but, still. I’m more into Godzilla then King Kong tbh.

[@GleeChan]

One of the things the Dune novel does (that the movie somewhat duplicated) is just throw the reader into the world and forces them to figure it out as they go. I think Herbert wasn't a fan of spoon feeding his readers, he felt they were smart enough to piece things together if they're engaged. This is one of the reasons why people have claimed Dune would be unfilmable, because there isn't "that character" who needs things explained to them. Everyone lives in the world and knows what things are. The movie does this as well, but in a lesser way. There are more scenes of Paul learning from people and books on what things are on Arrakis, but terms like Sardaukar, Mentat, and Bene Gesserit you just had to roll with.

[@toothbrushfromnisemonogatari]

So hyped for Possession and Spongebob movie! Edit: aww, I’ve only seen Holy Motors by Leos Carax but I really liked it.

[@serryjeinfeld3571]

YES! The Lovers on the Bridge is great too - i like it more than Holy Motors tbh. anti-Carax slander will not stand haha

[@joninosaka]

I disagree with Adum about the sound design because of how well it melds with the scene in a movie theatre with a good sound system. Those big "womps" usually coincided with some large machinery or a giant worm that literally shook the entire theater that conveyed a seismic effect and was literally a "visceral" experience (as in it shook your "viscera"). It added a great deal to the experience in a "4D-Movie" attraction kind of way. Loved it. That being said, I don't think the soundtrack was memorable in any other way but it was used more in a utilitarian way in order to create an atmosphere. It was ambient music.

[@worrywirt]

I have so much shit I wanna say about Dune listening to this is so frustrating lmao

[@New_Perspective]

tl;dr I personally feel like Dune Part 1 shouldn't really be treated as a singular film, in the same way we look at Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1. It's really half a movie, and, in my opinion, not fair to compare it to The Fellowship of the Ring, an adaptation of the first book in LOTR. I just cant get behind Adum this time comparing Fellowship to Dune part 1. Fellowship adapts the whole first book, Dune part 1 adapts only half of the first book. The reason why Denis had to do this was because of how immensely dense the Dune novel is. I've never even read the book, but from what I've researched, luckily without spoiling myself for part 2, that novel is so full of world building, factions, politics, and so on. This is why it's had that "un-adaptable" reputation. It's not a story that can be broken down into one 2 to 3 hour film. The Lord of the Rings is a trilogy of books, each book adapted into a trilogy of films. Once part 2 comes out, and we can stitch together the two parts, then we'll get the real Dune movie, which would be like 5 or 6 hours probably. The only way the producers were going to let Denis fully adapt this novel the way it needs to be would be to split it in two parts. i'd really wish people would stop comparing Dune to LOTR and instead compare it to films like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Part 1 of that film definitely did not feel like a complete movie. Part 2 starts with the same scene part 1 ended. Almost like it just continued playing as if a whole year hadn't passed between release. I personally had no doubt that Dune was going to get a part 2. I know it wasn't confirmed officially, but I guess i just had this gut feeling that part 1 was going to be a huge success and that part 2 would come when it does. So going in on opening night, it was kind of like watching a tv episode, where at the end you're like "Yoooo, I can't wait till next week to see what happens next". It was honestly a huge gamble on the producers side, but thankfully it's had the success its had so Denis can finish his Dune. So fucking excited.

[@pleaserewind295]

To me, it all came across as a long prologue. IMO DH1 worked much better as a P1 because we had the previous films before it. Dune was like watching s1 of a TV show shoved into 150 minutes.

[@concrete_dog]

I agree. I don't get why Adum has this notion that a movie HAS to be able to stand on its own even it's made 100% clear this is just the first half. You wouldn't say such a thing about a tv show either, that every episode has to stand on its own. Tv shows are always greater than the sum of it parts (or episodes) and I think it will be the same case here with these Dune movies.

[@robertyeah2259]

@@concrete_dogi dont see why you would want a movie any other way. this is perplexing to me

[@concrete_dog]

​@@robertyeah2259 Not sure what you mean exactly by this. To me it's just a matter of managing your expectations. You wouldn't judge Iron Man 1 and 2 the same way you would judge Dune part 1 and 2. You can judge the individual performances and special effects and whatnot (and I'm not even disagreeing with Adum there), but structurally they're totally different.

[@robertyeah2259]

@@concrete_dogMy bad, I meant I don’t understand why I would enjoy that a movie cuts off in that kind of way. I liked Dune for what it was, but I’m not heading out to see Part 2 in theaters cause I was pretty disappointed in the way it ended. It just didn’t stand on its own. If that can’t be fixed by a screenwriter during adaptation, then I think the screenwriter dropped the ball. And the Fellowship comparison does still work if you ask me, because Fellowship, Two Towers, and Return may be book 1,2, and 3 of the story but they were all still published at the same time and in one volume. And if someone only saw Fellowship, they would never get their ending, sure. But they would have a film that builds to a natural (smaller) conclusion, which is the forming of the Fellowship that will do the adventuring of the next two movies. Sam and Frodo have their friendship development moment, you think Gandalf dies when he was their guide, the rest of the Fellowship continues on their own way, and even if the story isn’t over, it is still a good place to stop. My point with Dune is that the stopping point feels obligatory. More that they just ran out of time so stopped wherever they had to. Like I said, not a bad movie by any stretch. I enjoyed it. But I was pissed. Not as pissed as the Hobbit being made into three movies cause that was stupid, but it still felt like I should have just watched it at home instead of in a theater cause I never got any catharsis from the movie. It just stopped dead in the middle, which I feel the screenwriters should have adapted better. Bring accurate to the book is one thing, but adapting the material is more important, and I think one took precedence over the other.

[@Dylan-gf3er]

10:00 the first dune book actually has 3 appendices, one of wich is a dictionary explaining a bunch of the fantasy words

[@Magicalnora]

It's really funny. If I hadn't read (and been confused by) dune, I wouldn't have gotten as invested in malazan book of the fallen. Same energy

[@alnilumorion3487]

The helicopter are dragonfly shaped for stability, I thought. There are a lots of strom on dune. Also there are technologies but not computer based technologies after people have abandoned using them.

[@ferdinandomarte]

26:33 That part of the soundtrack wasn't inappropriate, she was about to ride the sandworm and they took it from her!

[@YggdrasilAudio]

Yeah, he is really taking things out of context. Her getting stabbed is not the end to the scene, it's what sets of the action.

[@etalex7074]

It’s still super overbearing

[@etalex7074]

@Jonathan Jones the emotion would’ve been more effective had that music not been there for me

[@RPanda3S]

Yeah I thought the music really stood out and was just a little silly in that moment, whereas most of the time the music fit well.

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

Paul doesn't really need Jason Momoa's character in that sense (as a way for Paul to get to know the Fremen), Paul already is getting to know the Fremen through his visions of his own future

[@user-dw6mm7jg2z]

Nerd

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

@@user-dw6mm7jg2z yes

[@yellowfamilyfunny3065]

@@user-dw6mm7jg2z Ok J

[@CloudMountainJuror]

I swear, at this point I'm starting to think I'm the only one who loved the Dune soundtrack and thought it was a highlight of the movie.

[@ryanlts_9684]

tbf I love the book but the characters are not highly relatable or colorful like those in lotr or GOT, not that they are badly written but they do keep you at arm's length with a constant coldness to them for better or worse. There is not much of a intimacy to the characters and the can even get colder and colder (especially for Paul) as the story progress As much as it is the LOTR of sci-fi as many have claimed, the Dune as a series is not necessary for everyone

[@Nuvizzle]

I mean, most of the characters in LotR (the books) are incredibly stiff and unrelatable too. The LotR characters people love are from the movie where they act very unlike their book counterparts.

[@ryanlts_9684]

@@Nuvizzle Seems like its more of the problem of the era they are written? But I wonder whether Dune or Denis'style can allow them to do that

[@pleasehello]

@@ryanlts_9684 That's what I was hoping Villenueve would do with the Dune characters. He didn't though. He created an extremely accurate adaptation of the source material and I think it's to the film's detriment. Fellowship of the Ring puts so much emphasis on character relationships and really hammers home Frodo's emotional journey. It has a heart that Dune just doesn't.

[@ryanlts_9684]

@@pleasehello Tbf I think they are still much less colder than their book counterparts but the thing about Paul is that dude just get colder and uncaring as his power awakes

[@littleratchild6744]

from what i know, the first half of the movie dune and the first book is intentionally white savior-ish to later deconstruct that in the second book. both paul and his dad see themselves as the better leader to take over arrakis, despite continuing to exploit the planet and its people, and that and the chosen one narrative are turned on its head after the setup of the first one.

[@ryanlts_9684]

I think they can be less subtle to make Paul to be more interesting in Part 2 tho, it doesn't quite need to be a big twist in Messiah

[@bea4828]

@@ryanlts_9684 they did literally show people burning others in his name, he led people into genocide in a horror-esque fashion, it was subtle but also pretty obvious if you know what Its going for. I have a feeling this will be a great movie on rewatch once Denis's trilogy is done.

[@dirrdevil]

Watch the Redlettermedia re:view of the Dune movies. They'll actually discuss some of these points like the white savior theme and how shields work and won't say a random pilot used the Voice when he didn't. They should have invited a guest for this episode. An expert on Dune.

[@paulelroy6650]

Or should have just paid attention to the film Haha

[@Sandybowls_9001]

Good to see Ralph's out of his weed coma.

[@CinematicDependency]

Is he? 🤔

[@The_Rutabaga]

As a lifelong Godzilla nerd, I never thought I’d see these two things together.

[@Katyamuffin]

I quite enjoyed Last Night in Soho, but I guess it's because I watched it as more of a drama, I haven't seen any promotional material and didn't even realize it was supposed to be horror. Adam is completely right about the 'wrong vision for the sole purpose of misleading the audience' thing. I didn't think about it at the time, but looking back on it it's kinda infuriating.

[@toonghee3818]

I think the thing between LOTR and Dune is that Jackson really went ham with the characters in his adaptation of the books. He really goes into the characters and develops them throughout the films, sometimes even adding parts that aren't really in the books, but still capturing the essence of their development from the books (or what we imagined their growth could be because LOTR is really more of a historical account than conventional narrative). Reading the LOTR books after the films, I found the books to be quite dry in comparison and lacking a lot of those monumental character developments that gets you attached to the story and characters, which is what people want to see when they're watching a story-based movie. Dune the book was super-confusing to me, but if Villeneuve wanted us to get attached to the story, characters, world, etc., I think he should've done what Jackson did and really go into the characters, even though it might've not always been 100% true to the books (and probably would've clashed with his filming style). In order for us to get more attached to Dune the movie, I think he really needed to emphasize Paul's "coming of age" arc and the arcs from the other characters.

[@pp1942]

I would say people will be disappointed if they think Denis's Dune is the same as Jackson's LOTR, which has more likeable characters across the board. Denis himself said that his Dune is a coming of age story which by the time i went to the theater, i just focused on Paul and didn't care much about its side character and ended up enjoying the film despite never read the book. Though Dr. Yueh needs more screentime since he's such a pivotal character for the plot.

[@toonghee3818]

​@@pp1942 I agree that LOTR and Dune are pretty much totally different in premise and that LOTR's characters are more likable in general, but I do think Dune could've accomplished the same thing LOTR did in terms of attachment to the film if it had made me care for its characters more, whether they're likable or not. I should've really felt the loss of Paul's "mentor/leader" figures like Duncan and the Duke, and I should've also felt the loss of someone like Kynes, who represents somebody who has connections to the inside but is also secretly looking forward to the chosen one. Same thing with Dr. Yueh; I agree we should've seen more of his arc as a character who betrayed Paul and his family, but certainly not out of ill intent. Building those smaller character arcs would've really helped to make me care more for the characters and therefore the story, world, etc. by proxy. Basically, I shouldn't have heard that Paul hadn't ever killed a man in a rather understated line from his mom almost 5 minutes or so before the film ends. Paul's "coming of age" arc should've been developed much more deeply and early in the film. I knew he had a "chosen one" arc coming because I'd read the book, but I watched the whole film not really sure where the film was going with all of its material until the very end. I'll admit that doing so is probably truer to the pacing of and events in the book, but I do think that doing so lessens the attachment you want to develop throughout the film, at least for me. I should've come out at the end of Dune feeling like we'd just gone through and reached the end of Paul realizing that he needs to step up and now take back Arrakis, avenge his father, help the Fremen, etc., rather than feeling like the end scene was just the beginning of his realization of this point. Then, if that realization arc had been fully formed and ended, the film overall would've felt more satisfying, and you can use that as a jumping point for the next film. I'm also not saying Villeneuve didn't necessarily try to do a "Paul's coming of age" arc in this film, but his version is much more understated/perhaps truer to the book, and I personally think more people would've liked Part 1 more and been more excited for Part 2 if he'd focused on developing the characters' arcs more deeply from the get-go.

[@khatam50]

"Raging Bull is very funny" - Ralph

[@BigBossTooN]

Alex is a starter nerd on Dune! I’ll be your Dune dweeb, Adam! I’ve read everything Dune.

[@ryanlts_9684]

I hope he is gonna recommand the 84 movie some day

[@BigBossTooN]

@@ryanlts_9684 Adam said he wouldn’t. Alex might since he’s going through the book. Ralph would probably do it to piss them both off as the Lynch fan.

[@ryanlts_9684]

@@BigBossTooN Didn't they say it can't be spoiled?

[@BigBossTooN]

@@ryanlts_9684 Which is why Ralph saying fuck that let’s watch it would be so funny.

[@connorw2k]

I like how the boys talk more about both Dune and Last Night in Soho individually than they do Godzilla.

[@azotan1]

Dragonflies: possess the most agile flight capabilities of all flying animals thanks to its wings, can fly along any axis and hover mid air Adum: WHO WOULD DESIGN A FLYING SHIP THAT WAY?!?!?!? SOOO STOOOPID

[@Ragnarok540]

He is not a engineer or a biologist, he is a movie critic.

[@azotan1]

​@@Ragnarok540 wait what

[@briankennedy5885]

​ Yeah but his critism isn't even that good. Like the movie is so basic if you remove all the nuances, no sh¡t Sherlock

[@cashcloakburmy]

In reference to the beginning, I earnestly think every single movie in theaters should be fully subtitled below the screen. I watch absolutely everything with subtitles at home (not deaf, just auditory processing issues), and when I watch movies with others they notice dialogue they never had before. Plus it’s just more accessible.

[@thekalifornian4244]

Damn, I kinda feel bad for Adam on Dune. There was a point in time where he was genuinely Hyped for it.

[@TheDRODOR]

He can't enjoy anything lol

[@lucamckenn5932]

@Henry Lehrman like how the sci fi in the sci fi world is impractical and illogical? Applying real life physics to a space opera? That's like condemning all of star wars because you hear sound in space during battles...

[@lucamckenn5932]

@Henry Lehrman movies are an ensemble effort. If you don't like one aspect focus on another...bad score is subjective too the whole point is to be audio dressing a scene. It succeeded so idk what you're on but I'd like some if it'd put me in your head state. Unless it's parrot sycophantic, not a fan of that one.

[@pp1942]

Also he watched it on hbo max so it kinda explains itself

[@rosebudd193]

My friend had a similar issue with the Dune movie. She wanted to go in and have the movie explain the story she was familiar with other people loving. Instead of reading the books herself she wanted it all wrapped up in a neat visual 2 hour Cliffs Notes. We had dramatically different opinions leaving the theater and 90% of her problems with it came from not reading the source material. That's a problem in a sense. Its a pretty great experience for us who have read the books maybe even for some who liked the Lynch adaptation but not so much with the unfamiliar. Though I ascribe tot he idea not everything should be for everybody I understand how people wanting to jump in can be underwhelmed.

[@danbam3411]

I’m a little confused and jarred by their criticisms of Last Night in Soho. They didn’t seem to make sense for the most part. They talk about subtleties and then suggest it could have been more like _The Exorcist_ or _Paranormal Activity_ (if going for the horror route) which are more dumb obvious 😂 Have to say they dropped the ball on that one. Sure the movie wasn’t perfect but I thought it was a refreshing take on movies like _Repulsion_ and _The Tenant_ by Roman Polanski.

[@Jackattack359]

Even so, they are just mostly mixed on it and that I believe should still be respected, especially since they still mentioned what they enjoyed

[@paulelroy6650]

I dead was good just not the execution. The twists fall flat the horror is just cheesy. The 60s was great the use of music was great and the 2 main characters and performances were good. However it wasnt anywhere near the level of the films that inspired it

[@criticold]

A lot of the discussion around Dune here is off the assumption that it's being incredibly super-faithful to the book but there's actually so much that was cut and the plot is simplified immensely.

[@luiginastro8831]

Like any adaptation. It's impossible to perfectly adapt a novel, especially one as dense as Dune.

[@pleaserewind295]

@@luiginastro8831 That's why everyone always said it should be a TV show.

[@tylergraham6662]

​@@pleaserewind295 and that is what you have the sci-fi show for

[@mojavefry2617]

There are actually multiple themes for the Godzilla movies. The most famous one pops up in a number of them, but most of them don’t have it, to my knowledge.

[@sammahoney9343]

Some of my relatives went to see dune (1984) back in the day and apparently they were given an actual booklet filled with definitions of words and explanations as to wtf was going on, hilarious

[@eliotmccann2589]

This is true. I went to see it in cinemas in 1984. It's just as well they did as I was utterly lost throughout the film, and the appalling soundmix of the dialogue did the film no favours. One thing to be said for Lynch's attempt: whilst a lot of the visual effects are silly-looking now, at the time they were revolutionary- and the production design of the film is still a feast for the eyes.

[@ThreadBomb]

I saw it as a kid and had no problem following it. All you have to do is PAY ATTENTION during the first 15 minutes of the film.

[@worlds1ep3enthusiast92]

THEY'RE DOING THE SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS MOVIE (2004) LET'S GOOOO

[@polus2494]

Does Ralph wear headphones, or does he just guess when the other guys have stopped talking?

[@dontgiveatuck]

Another thing that I think would make the boys appreciate Dune more if they tried to read the book. A lot of key information and the themes of destiny, mythology, religion, ecology, and politics are primarily delivered through characters’ thoughts - not to mention the novel can shift character perspective from paragraph to paragraph. It’s such a dense read that it’s honestly miraculous that the film was able to convey a lot of necessary info and lore while making it somewhat easy to understand and making it accessible to a wider audience.

[@lucamckenn5932]

Adam doesn't like sci fi or fantasy. He's a normie now I guess.

[@MonsieurMaskedMan]

the singing in Dune is Kargyraa by the way it uses the undertone harmonic series on singing

[@LuxiBelle]

Ralph hates dust. It's rough, it's coarse and it gets everywhere.

[@bruce000000070000000]

I wish the others, specially Ralph, would push back on the bullshit Adam says, because they always compromise into just agreeing even if they don’t

[@carlhiller9659]

I agree with that. Dude is a bit too opinionated and too much convinced of his own opinions sometimes

[@whereisjulia]

WORD. glad someone else pointed that out

[@patrikmichalu8637]

wow I actually agreed mostly with Adam here and felt like the other two were ignoring his valid points and just rambling on about nothing of value especially Ralph just couldn't stop talking over poor Adam annoyingly, and he held back not becoming salty. Interesting most of you felt the exact opposite lol.

[@luigiwiiUU]

A 10 minute long argument would be entertaining I agree

[@1spidog]

lol they just respect each others opinions.

[@beepbeep2446]

I actually really liked the score but yeah that scene with Kynes dying did suck. I feel like Adam was completely wrong about score. There was no “bruhhmmm” sounds, and the naturalistic instruments in the score like hammer dulcimer and sampled drums were great

[@yurifairy2969]

The Godzilla in all the sequels to 1954 is a separate monster from the first one, they were even gonna bring the first Godzilla back as a ghost at one point.

[@gamemaster2311]

Not that I necessarily disagree, but Adam said "The BWOOOM sound will be parodied 10 years from now." 10 years ago.

[@MrKstate21]

Reviewing Dune, an Edgar Wright film, AND Godzilla? Shut up and take my time

[@-AtomsPhere-]

I genuinely don’t get Adams critique on the Ornithopter. If nature could produce a dragonfly, then obviously it’s an efficient form of flight…

[@Charles12]

He just hates dragonflies

[@killaspongebob666]

That's why cars have feet yeah?

[@-AtomsPhere-]

@@killaspongebob666 I dont get what point you’re trying to make. A car with “legs” WOULD have a lot of advantages over a car with wheels. You could easily cover uneven surfaces…a lot of sci-fi vehicles prominently feature legs over wheels.

[@killaspongebob666]

@@-AtomsPhere- no.

[@killaspongebob666]

@@-AtomsPhere- dont fucking come at me saying "actually cars should have feet" no. Just don't talk.

[@moogleboy]

I don't understand how Adum thinks LotR part 1 works as a standalone film. It ends with Pippin and Merry being kidnapped, Boromir dying, and Sam and Frodo leaving the Fellowship. There is no conclusion, just a bunch of sequel hooks.

[@lucamckenn5932]

No it doesn't according to his alcohol addled brain.

[@toonghee3818]

I think LOTR's just feels "fuller," if that makes sense. Sure, you have sequel hooks like Sam and Frodo leaving and Pippin and Merry being kidnapped, but you also have arcs that were mostly fully developed throughout the story, like Boromir's death/character arc coming to an end, the development and journey of the full Fellowship coming to end, and Frodo finally coming to the decision to accept his task in taking the Ring to Mordor, even if he must do it alone. I'm also fine with where Part 1 of Dune ended, but I do think it would've been a lot more satisfying if they'd more fully developed and concluded some arcs in this first part, like Paul's "coming of age" realization, for instance.

[@pureevil9496]

That makes sense to him only because he saw the sequels lol

[@trtx84]

48:18 - You're describing what happened to the Divergent series. They split the final book in to two movies, then the second part was cancelled. So that movie series was never concluded.

[@tonydelia9998]

It's interesting listening to people who don't know a lot about Godzilla as someone who grew up with em and have seen all of them. You really have to have grown up with those films to really appreciate them. For the "unenlightened" I would recommend the OG film, 2014 and Shin Godzilla as the most accessible ones. If you wanna dive deeper then that's a whole can of worms. If you want something so bad it's good, King Kong vs Godzilla, Invasion of Astro Monster & Godzilla vs Hedorah are pretty funny. If you want a spectacle film then GMK, Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla or Tokyo S.O.S are fun but flawed.

[@C.G.Jr.]

To be fair, Lynch's Dune was shit on completely by the studio. It's not the kind of thing he wanted to do either, but he was very passionate about Dune when it came into his hands. There is a three hour fan cut that is closer to what lynch wanted to for Dune, but all and all his version, like Jodorowsky's will never be seen, and it was a project that originally had a lot of heart and voice in it.

[@someguy1478]

@@DamTheKid How did Jodorowsky fuck it up when his movie didn't even get made?

[@C.G.Jr.]

@@DamTheKid Are you a bot lol what is your point?

[@ThreadBomb]

The theatrical film stands up fine in terms of plot, and doesn't need extra scenes that are all basically filler.

[@JaydevRaol]

Yeah

[@sudevsen]

@@DamTheKid studio interference was the issue not Lynch.

[@MrBump2]

Dune isn't even my favorite episode of OneyPlays Worms.

[@godoftomatos881]

Every where I go … I see his face *oneyplays profile picture*

[@walkingriver6104]

I actually loved the music…one of my favourite parts of the movie

[@benjaminlivingston9706]

Both the Japanese and American versions of Godzilla are on the Criterion release if you're curious.

[@murphy7801]

The ending of the lynch one is different to book so doesnt spoil much.

[@fluffy4090]

There are some similar things in the end like the duel with feyd the baron getting killed by alia Paul getting with Irulan and thufir dying in the extended cut

[@murphy7801]

@@fluffy4090 I feel different enough not to spoil, personally?

[@fluffy4090]

@@murphy7801 is still think it spoils it

[@murphy7801]

@@fluffy4090 Ah fair enough

[@murphy7801]

@@fluffy4090 fair enough

[@ripred42]

Dragonflys are actually some of the most efficient and maneuverable insects/animals in the world, and there's a lot aerospace engineering research looking at adapting them for vehicles. Maybe stick to what you know chief.

[@gumshake689]

ew, please dont use the word "chief" anymore

[@gojiguy5436]

In Godzilla Raids Again, Godzilla isn’t brought back to life, it’s another Godzilla

[@MicrowavedChicken454]

I'm so glad that Collider article was mentioned during the Soho discussion - Krysty Wilson-Cairns is an absolute hack and the fact that she said she wouldn't be interested in the film if it wasn't for that twist had me internally screaming "YOU'RE A WRITER!! COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER THEN!!"

[@tytsty5716]

The thropters are the most practical thing about this movie we have been trying and wanting to reproduce the same flight system that dragonfly’s use since it is so perfect and ingenious I really don’t get Adams criticism

[@JAZ292]

Ralph: not long before this, Japanese people actually believed in a divine being watching over them...... 65% of Americans: 😐

[@Lovicide]

65% is a lil high... or at least I think it is.... Are there really that many people in the US that believe?

[@zeebooboo9663]

​@@Lovicidethere's a lot of us that believe in God we basically overidolize the Bible and anything related to Jesus. It's quite annoying

[@thiccmcchicken550]

He was talking about an emperor not a god

[@cocoisnuts4711]

If y’all don’t start putting time stamps in your description I SWEAR TO GOD BOYS

[@esock2001]

1:53:36 Matt Damon said that the mid-sized budget movie died with the drop of dvd sales. That’s where a lot of originality and artistic risk was at, but the studios were be able to bank on dvd sales to make money back. That’s why we are basically in the era of the blockbuster and the indie film, there’s just no middle ground anymore

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

I'm not trying to say anything bad with this but I realized westerners are 1-often annoyed with the lamentation and 2- impressed by the bagpipes. It's just funny to me because as a middle eastern person the experiences are the exact opposites for me. Maybe our backgrounds have an effect on that or something idk.

[@friendlybanana4960]

You're not saying anything bad at all lol. What were the opinions like in the middle east?

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

@@friendlybanana4960 I don't know about other middle eastern countries but it's very well loved in Turkey, I believe it was no 1 until Eternals came out. It gets quite a lot of coverage from internet celebrities and such so it's quite well known and everyone I talk to seems to love the overall movie and the middle eastern elements in it.

[@ryanlts_9684]

I am no westerners but I just find bagpipes coming out of nowhere in a sci-fi story thousands years into the future kinda funny

[@beyzanuryldz6848]

@@antonchigurh22 where are you going with this question

[@antonchigurh22]

@@beyzanuryldz6848 didn't understood what you said, that's why left a negative reply, sorry.