SatanCon Outreach Confronting Aron Ra in Scottsdale, AZ Part 2

Matt De Jesus and Oscar Dunlap, along with several other Christian evangelist, are outside the "Impurity Ball" put on by The Satanic Temple's SatanCon convention in Scottsdale, AZ in February of 2022. Part 2 is Oscar open-air preaching (Matt was preaching in Part 1). Even more interesting encounters with people who deny the existence of God. Aron Ra, famous KZbinr and author, comes back for more debating and still cannot give a proper explanation for the existence of the immaterial. Two other young men recorded some of the conversation for their "Channel 5 News" KZbin channel.

[@albert12256]

Aron gave this group more knowledge than they have ever had in any church.

[@Oscardunlap]

Lol what are you watching. Please tell me where his justification of logic is? Why can't the great epistemist tell me where immaterial logic comes from in a atomistic materialism worldview? How about the scientific proof he gave for the theory of the origin of the universe... Oh that's right he gave none. He takes about evolution which was entirely irrelevant to the conversation. So what that categorically speaking we are scientifically to be deemed as primates. Doesn't matter. In the prior video the man of "science" told me that an unborn baby was considered the thigh of it mother before both and in some way tried to justify abortion through that... Aweful. The baby has a totally unique DNA from conception. He should know that... I'm the man in the video talkong to him and I assure you there was no useful information given from him of any primary significance.

[@TimothyBushell]

@@Oscardunlap "Please tell me where his justification of logic is?" He didn't try to. Aron is sensible to stick to the subject that is his expertise. He certainly schooled this group on their "apeness". BTW: Logic is a human construct, just like religion. Logic is a method of reasoning. "immaterial logic" isn't a thing. If your question is: how can there be logic without an ultimate creator - the answer is the same as for gravity and heat. Heat isn't a thing - it's an emergent property of some system which can be explained in terms of motion. Logic is emergent and reliant on facts. One of the ways we can tell Logic is a human creation is that it is debated and changing. There are different systems of logic. There aren't "Laws of Logic" but there are "3 Laws of Thought" - which can be thought of as the foundational "rules" of doing logical reasoning. Even these laws are controversial. Again - it points to logic being a human invention. "How about the scientific proof he gave for the theory of the origin of the universe..." He said there was no scientific proof for the theory of the origin of the universe. He claimed no knowledge. He was just telling you that there are physicists who do have an ideas about it... which is true. On the other hand you just KNOW God created the universe but can give no account of him - no scientific proof - nor can you account for the creation - explain HOW god created the universe. What did he use? Nothing? Part of himself? His daughter? Some energy he had in a bag? You'll claim that god is definitionally a thing which needs no explanation - but that is not logical. How can the source of logic be illogical? That's circular as well. "So what that categorically speaking we are scientifically to be deemed as primates. Doesn't matter." It matters if you are a doctor. So it matters if you need to see a doctor. It matters if your are a biologist. It doesn't matter to Christianity - unless you are a Christian who believes God made humans exactly as described in Genesis - then it matters a lot. "The baby has a totally unique DNA from conception." Not even close. If "totally" means 100%, then a baby doesn't even a totally unique DNA from a tree. ""I'm the man in the video talking to him and I assure you there was no useful information given from him of any primary significance." It wasn't a great debate though. I'm sure even Aron Ra would admit it was a cluster fuck. Too many people, too many voices. So you weren't the man taking to him: you were ONE of the people talking to him. Be honest: you're upset because you were not able to get Aron to follow your prepared script. That isn't his fault or yours. Did you catch Aron's speech at the event? Did you dare to listen to what this keynote speaker said? You were mentioned and I think it's possible he had you pegged. You were never going to agree with anything he said. Now I've made this comment just to show you that everything you said can be answered and accounted for. And I'm happy to discuss. But can I suggest that we now stop with these long "rants" and pick a single topic if a debate is what you want? Keep comments below 500 words? This way we can avoid a cluster fuck! :)

[@albert12256]

What Aron says makes more sense to me than what you guys say for the simple fact that I’m not stupid. I’m not wasting a single brain cell on convincing myself that a couple was created from clay, that a snake can talk, that two of every animal fit on a floating box, that a wizard split the sea, that a baby was made without sperm and egg and that same baby grew up to rise from his death and walk on water. The Bible to me is a book of mythology that I like to reference when ever I indulge in supernatural stories but it is not something I would reference for understanding the natural world.

[@slimfrinky]

@@TimothyBushell Oscar won't be happy no matter what someone says. I see no reason why 1+1 can equal anything other than 2, but apparently he thinks that it can equal bananas if his zombie god wishes. No wonder people think Christians sound idiotic if this is the best they have.

[@TimothyBushell]

@@slimfrinky Hah! True. I don’t think he’ll reply. Guys like that are so used to “arguing” in church with imaginary atheists, following a script where the atheist always says exactly the right dumb thing they can use their gotchas on - that when he sees the debate won’t be following any script he recognises, he’s gone. You saw that in this video… Aron refused to follow his script so he pretends that means he won the debate. Even when I was a born again “Oliver”, years ago, I never debated dishonestly like he does; nor did I have such a huge ego…

[@achatterjee6258]

these guys are wilfully ignorant

[@Oscardunlap]

How so?

[@kylefromhell2135]

When level one street evangelists unintentionally attract a level 666 boss.

[@Oscardunlap]

What points of Aron did you find most compelling?

[@OldFartGrows]

I thought Master Ra was a 666 level boss

[@kylefromhell2135]

@@OldFartGrows you know what, that actually sounds much more accurate.

[@mr400meter]

@@Oscardunlap They have no answer.

[@phonyashell]

@@OscardunlapEvery point.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

When will people learn that athiest and Satanists know generally know more about the religion than Christians. We've also heard all these supposed "gotcha" arguments from Christians before. All religions have nothing but empty assertions.

[@Oscardunlap]

Lol nope. Tell me what did he know? Had no answer for the nature or origin of logic, no answer for the origin of the universe and no answer for to defend his position or make sense of objective morality... But he said we're apes so he must be smart... What are you guys watching! Lol

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@Oscardunlap objective morality doesn't exist. He also pointed to the best working theories we have for origins, but would not claim to "know" them because that's not his field of expertise. Evolution is. Again. Christains claim to know everything about every field of science, whereas the non-religious aren't as dishonest.

[@Oscardunlap]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer idk any Christians that claim to know everything. We claim to know the origin of everything. To say there is no objective morality is a statement proven false by the way humans live. If objective morality isn't real, what's wrong with slavery and the Holocaust? What's wrong with canabalism? If there is no objective morality and we are all left to our own opinions, you should have no reason to object to these attrocities, correct?

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@Oscardunlap Yes you absolutely do claim to know everything. How did the universe start? God. How did the earth begin to exist? God? Why do we have X feelings or reasoning? God. Etc etc. You claim to know all the answers to the biggest questions of humanity. there is no objective morality outside of what humanity deems. Youre making my case for me. We deem those things things immoral. Not a god, not nature, not the universe. We do. We also allow for circumstances and variables for immorality. Take cannibalism. We recognize that in the case of starvation. Like in the case of the lactose team (I think that's what they were) who crash landed in the mountains, then eating human flesh of the deceased then that isnt seen as a crime. What we consider moral or immoral can change over time. There is no objective standard that is unchanging.

[@mikewalk786walk5]

And once again, Aron Ra proves that religious folk are not able to comprehend facts and logic. The sheer mental gymnastics these gentlemen showcase is mind staggering!

[@Oscardunlap]

Aron Ra proved he has a bunch of useless knowledge that cannot answer the most important questions. Aron Ra proved what scripture stated thousands of years ago. The fool has said in his heart there is no God. Couldn't tell us where logic came from, what morality is or where the universe came from... Only that we categorically primates... Lol idk what video you watched but this man did not represent his side well at all.

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap I don't care if the Bible said it or not, it is rather rude to call someone that you disagree with 'fool'. Have you ever considered that perhaps there are more positive ways that you could communicate your ideals, or are you only able to speak through the use of insults, Mister Poopy Pants?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@slimfrinky I quoted scripture. That said, scripture is not meant to simply throw ad hominems at an opposing individual. Rather, because all wisdom in knowledge is bound p on Christ, he who rejects him quite literally becomes a walking contradiction... i.e. a fool.

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap Sure, quoting scripture. Whatever. So you are telling me that no where in the Bible is a verse that you could have used that would communicate the same idea, but in a way that doesn't come across as you being a jerk? There really wasn't another verse that you could have used that would have better shown the Christian principals of love and forgiveness? How interesting. And then you double downed on it when confronted about it. Wow, you must have really wanted to call another human being, someone with feelings, thoughts, and emotions, a fool quite badly. I hope that your desire to call others names while feebly calling it 'scripture' is now satisfied. I hope you have the day that you deserve tomorrow. Good night.

[@Oscardunlap]

@@slimfrinky I don't run from what the scripture says. Your issue is with the Word of God, not me. That said the man in this video literally curses at me multiple times and insults my intelligence, yet I am in the wrong for seeming him what scripture calls a fool... That's silly and judging with a double standard sir.

[@SeedsnStems63]

It’s such a shame you guys were too ignorant to take some knowledge from such an outstanding communicator of science

[@Oscardunlap]

What science?

[@polkageist]

The dude with the mic is a walking example of Dunning-Kruger. Aron was right to walk away. There is no amount of education that will help them at this point.

[@Oscardunlap]

I'm the guy with the mic. I would love for you to do explain this comment to me and what I was failing to comprehend. Let me remind you that I challenged him to intelligibility account for the reality of logic, objective morality and of the origin of the universe from a atomistic materialistic worldview where truth is only that which can be proven through the scientific method. Of you could explain any of this to me I'd appreciate... Ok I'm waiting.

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap We don't need to account for logic just because you say that we do. If you think that you need a god involved for you to take one item, and then another item, and end up with two items, then that is on you. And even if we had to explain that concept for some reason and didn't have an answer immediately, it doesn't mean that there is a god. Just means that we don't know something. Duh. I don't believe in objective morality, so I don't feel the need to account for something that I don't believe is real. Ask me to account for unicorns next, maybe? I mean it is obvious that morality isn't universal. You say lying is a sin? What about lying to the German soldiers in 1930's Germany when you are hiding a Jewish family in your attic? In that situation, lying is suddenly the morally right thing to do. So clearly, lying is not an objectively bad moral thing. Same goes with other things you would call a sin. Origin of the universe? What, you don't have Wikipedia? Ok, I'll copy and paste for you, I guess. 'The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model explaining the existence of the observable universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. The model describes how the universe expanded from an initial state of high density and temperature, and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of observed phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, and large-scale structure.' There you go, everything answered for you. So you are an atheist now, right?

[@mr400meter]

@@slimfrinky You don't need to account for logic? So logic just magically exists?

[@slimfrinky]

@@mr400meter Dude. Logic just existing makes a lot more sense to me than the Christian stance that "there is an all powerful magical being without beginning or end who created the universe by twitching his nose, and he will lovingly and mercifully torture you for all time if you don't believe in his son who is also him, because he really does want to save you from what he is going to do to you if you don't love him. Oh, and he also hates gay people, so don't put anything in your butt, ever." That is the Christian claim. My claim is that I don't have to explain where logic came from, because if you have one apple, and then add another apple, you will then have two apples, no matter what. Logic merely IS. So ya, I'm saying that 1 plus 1 equals 2, and you are saying that all things are created by an all powerful sky wizard who hates pork products, LGBTQ+ people, and Democrats. Well gee fucking whiz, I wonder which one of these sounds more like it reflects reality. Hmmmmm.... Now look, I get that your next move is to FUCKING INSIST AD NAUSEAM that I absolutely have to explain the orgins of logic, to which I say.... No I fucking don't, and even if I did, you'd just move the goalpost again. I'm not here for YOU, I'm here for anyone reading our 'debate', so they can see that one of us makes sense, and one of us looks like we are nuttier than a bag of squirrels. My goal is not to convince you, my goal is to convince everyone else. So there is my argument. Simply put, I do not have to explain the origins of logic just because you say I have to. Tell you what, here are some questions for you, and I would love to see you answer any of them. Of course if you don't answer all of them in a manner that I have predetermined to be the right answer, I'm going to then dance around like the hooker that found the fountain of crack while claiming victory. I learned to do that from you guys, isn't a normal atheist debate technique. Just thought I'd give it a spin. Anyway, here is your short 10 question quiz, please answer them all, a refusal to answer will result in a failing score. You have 12 hours to complete the test, and.... SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT! BEGIN! 1. How can the claim that "God is good” not be a mere tautology if the “good” is defined in terms of God’s nature? 2. How can skeptical theism be an adequate response to the evidential argument from evil since skeptical theism logically entails a commitment to global skepticism? 3. What is an example of an observation that could falsify the hypotheses of an Intelligent Designer, a Special Creator, a Fine-Tuner of the cosmological constants, or of God? 4. If these hypotheses cannot be falsified, how can there be evidence for them? 5. What hypothesis is a better explanation for the apparently structured diversity of terrestrial life than the hypothesis of a universal common ancestor? 6. is the hypothesis of a universal common ancestor a falsified hypothesis? what observation has falsified it? 7. What mathematicians or philosophers have shown that “actual infinities” are impossible and by what argument(s) have they shown this? 8. How is the regularity of nature an explanatory hypothesis “that explains the way things are”? 9. If predictions are derivable from the mere assumption of the regularity of nature, how is it the thesis is not falsified if what is predicted fails to come true? 10. if the thesis can be falsified then it’s falsifiable, so how can the regularity of nature be falsifiable and unfalsifiable, simultaneously?

[@slimfrinky]

@@mr400meter Also, it sounds VERY stupid when you say that. You are essentially saying that if I can't explain LOGIC ITSELF, then clearly that means there must be an all powerful magician in the sky who has 10 rules, is a single dad, and hangs out with the ghost with the most. Um??? WHAT? No, if I'm not able to explain something, it does not mean god did it. All it would mean is that there is a gap in my knowledge. PERIOD. It would mean nothing beyond that. Here is what you sound like to me... "Tell me the rules of cricket right now, because if you can't, it means the Loch Ness Monster is real" SERIOUSLY, YOU SOUND THAT STUPID TO ME. You knowing the rules of cricket has not a damn thing to do with the existence of the Loch Ness Monster, now does it? No, it fucking doesn't. Same with me knowing the origins of logic. If I don't answer, means nothing beyond that I just don't know something. Well here is a shocker, the list of things that I don't know is likely almost infinitely long! Doesn't mean there is a sky wizard though, just means I don't know some shit, ya dunce. You are not going to be a master debater with that question, and it just makes you guys look foolish, so move on from it, please. Now answer the questions I gave you, it's my turn. lol

[@elvisischrist]

Good work Aron! Keep up fight against these zealots. We will finally leave religion behind and live as one people.

[@gungusmoo]

Hi Eric, it is evident that you reject the Lordship of Jesus and the Christian faith, so may I respectfully ask you for a justification of why unity for us to live as one people is a moral ought to be sought after?

[@gungusmoo]

@@Sailman1 can you please provide a source for that number? Because it's fake. You're repeating a very popular lie just because you don't like Christianity.

[@gungusmoo]

@@Sailman1 Mr Sail Man, respectfully, I do read my scriptures, which is why I am able to correct your abuse of them. (also, I asked for a source regarding the 30,000 denominations number, but we can deal with these other things too) In terms of inciting violence, the verses you cited were both from the old testament passages that command the Nation of Israel how they were to deal with evildoers among themselves. These are not commands for all of the people of God throughout all of time to deal with evildoers wherever they may be found. To incite violence is to encourage harm to befall an innocent person. Instead, These Old Testament passages are the just punishment for committing the evil to which they correspond :) there is a difference, and I pray that you grasp it. In terms of inciting division, I would need to take far more text space than is prudent here to correct your having ripped them out of their context. If you like, we can move to a different platform to discuss them further, but what I believe to be of most value here, is to point you to my original comment in this thread to Eric the Viking where I asked why we should value unity as a species. Can you offer a justification as to why violence and division are wrong, seeing as how you do honor the Lord Jesus Christ as God?

[@gungusmoo]

@@Sailman1 okay. Thank you for evidencing that you are not interested in rational dialogue. My words go in one ear, and drain out of your other ear because all you want is to bulldoze through this kind of exchange. Pagan gods are no gods at all and they will perish from under the earth, because they did not create the earth. (Jeremiah 10:11) The way you distinguish which religion is true, is by testing whether there are any internal inconsistencies, of which there are none in Christianity, but are plentiful in Norse and Greek Paganism, hinduism and Islam.

[@gungusmoo]

@@Sailman1 Mr Sail Man, you didn't bother to answer the questions I made to you, so I will not bother with answering yours any further. The Lord Jesus Christ extends his mercy and grace to you by sending one of his messengers to proclaim good news to you: the wrath of God abides upon you, sir, for your love of your sins. Yet, if you repent and place your faith in him to satisfy the wrath of God on your behalf, then you will have everlasting life. Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying, “Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.” He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying, “As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.” I will tell of the decree: The Lord said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2:1‭-‬12

[@neilbeaton9498]

I wish there was an Aron around for every one of these street preachers in the world. Torch of Christ ministries is one of the more insufferable groups

[@Oscardunlap]

What do you believe Aron did well in this video?

[@neilbeaton9498]

@@Oscardunlap stated his case clearly. He made it clear that he doesn't bear the burden of proof about God's existence. He also explained how humans are apes

[@gavsmith1980]

Aaron is wasting his time, preacher is just there to preach, no point trying to have a two way conversation with a radio stuck on transmit. No info will ever enter it, it can only regurgitate what’s already in it. “The problem is, you’re an unbeliever trying to interpret scripture” Yes that’s the problem for believers, no reasonable adult would be convinced of it if their first exposure to their god concept was from the bible, instead they need to rely on childhood indoctrination or the desperation of suffering people.

[@mstalcup]

Where'd that come from? Where'd that come from? Wow. The guy thought he had cornered Aron when Aron said he didn't know the entire history of the universe. Religious extremists think that science is just a competing religion with established dogma and required beliefs; he's totally unaware that science is an endless process of exploration and isn't about claiming that we have everything figured out.

[@Oscardunlap]

No, as an epistemist and one who claims to believe only that which can be proven by the scientific method, I wanted Aron to intelligibility account for logic, morality and the origin of the universe from a materialistic worldview... Which is literally impossible. You can do that because none of those things are scientifically observable in their origin and yet, he acknowledged them all proving that he does not only believe what can be scientifically accounted for. According to science, all things that exist in time and space must have a cause. I mean the most widely taught theory of the origin of the universe is the big bang... It is literally begging the question of a creator... Idk you all can't see this. I am not opposed to science because I know when utilized without bias it actually one inevitably points to the maker.

[@mstalcup]

​@@Oscardunlap This whole train wreck of a debate boils down to one thing: you don't understand burden of proof. If you tell me that Popeye exists and I tell you he doesn't, you don't "win," as you like to say," by telling me that I can't prove that Popeye doesn't exist. Same goes for God, Santa Claus, or leprechauns.

[@gummypusswatterson1322]

@@Oscardunlap firstly, *apistevist, and secondly, aron has many times admitted that science is not the only way to prove things, but that we can do that with logic too.

[@randysmith5435]

If you are going to use a book for your morality try The Lord Of The Rings. There is more morality in those books than the Bible ever had. Also I like Elves and Dwarves for imaginary friends more than some narcissistic sky brat who changes his mind halfway through the game like Saruman and changes his whole character from chaotic evil to something chaotic good while still threatening eternal torture if you don't follow his stupid rules.

[@Oscardunlap]

J R R Tolkein was a Christian 😉

[@randysmith5435]

Easily said when that is all society allows you to be. Tolkien writings have much more what I consider morality than anything in the old testament. If he followed Jesus teachings they would have lain down and let the orcs eat them. His morality came from inside himself, not some imaginary being.

[@vtblda]

Incredible performance of Aron Ra, with an infinite dose of patience to explain those guys all the reasons behind a coherent atheist position.

[@Oscardunlap]

How? He didn't answer any of the important questions. He stated that people were charactpristically speaking, apes. But he could could not as a professed epistemist, could not intelligibility account for the logic, morality or the existence of the universe... Please tell me how this performance was incredible?

[@gavsmith1980]

@@Oscardunlap Aaron doesn’t pretend he has all the answers, you could learn a lot from people who accept that.

[@honeysucklecat]

@@Oscardunlap Aron has many many hours of presentations about all of those things. He bases his understanding on science, evidence, proven facts. Christians don’t care about facts, just obedience and abuse. Genocide is so very Christian

[@Declared-righteous]

@@honeysucklecat So from an atheist materialist perspective where the universe is random and there is no ultimate meaning……What’s wrong abuse? From a Christian perspective abuse is a bad thing because God has spoken, and said that people matter and are not to be abused. But from the atheistic perspective that life ultimately doesn’t have any meaning? Calling someone an abuser is just a random subjective complaint.

[@mr400meter]

@@gavsmith1980 Yet he made several knowledge claims and could not back them up.

[@YoursTrulyThe1Pony]

I wish I was there I'd love to meet AronRa he's my inspiration why I'm an atheist

[@curin2760]

@caleburias5596he probably woke up.

[@feroxino1051]

@caleburias5596multiple reasons, faith is just horrible

[@zelkarr7016]

When the Satanists are better human beings than you, you know you messed up.

[@slimfrinky]

It's almost as if the goal of the Satanists is to make Christianity seem like they are the evil ones, in order to sway public opinion against them in order to stop Christian Nationalism from being able to take over the country. Almost.

[@WorldClassSatanist]

Satan is the good guy

[@zelkarr7016]

@@WorldClassSatanist true and real

[@physicsman23]

You guys are so blind... I hope you will have your eyes opened someday before you die, and that you would repent and come to know God and believe in Jesus Christ. When you die you will have to stand before God and your blindness won't be an excuse, because it's a willful blindness. I thank God He saved me and gave me eternal life through Christ, and I hope He'll do the same for you.

[@WorldClassSatanist]

@@physicsman23 lol funny

[@kennethhale6]

If creation is evidence for god can you please explain the difference between what is creation and what is natural?

[@Oscardunlap]

Hey Kenneth. I'm the guy from the video and is love to explain to you what I meant. Science tells us the law of cause and effect is universal. Meaning everything that exist and all that takes place within the universe, necessarily had a cause. Now, if you hold to a big bang theory, well where did the stuff matter and energy come from that went "bang"? It's literally begging the question. Now if you attempt to prop the view that Aron did, then you come to an infinity regress that, logical speaking, necessitates a uncaused first cause that exist outside of temporal reality that is not subject to the law of cause and effect. Also because of the thermodynamic law of entropy, had the universe always existed, the energy level would have long ago reached an equal and constant state through the entirety of it and no life would be possible. Instead we have a universe, finely times for the existence of life. Hope that helps.

[@kennethhale6]

@@Oscardunlap No help. That didn't answer my question.

[@Oscardunlap]

@@kennethhale6 ok. What exactly are you asking then? You asked how it was evidence and I spelled it out for you scientifically as well as logically... If that didn't help I'm not sure you actually won't help. Don't you understand that the origin of the universe must by necessity be supernatural? Like definitionally speaking the origin of the universe is protonature. It is before all that is nature, space, matter, time and all of temporal reality exist. So the question is, do you believe contrary to science and logic, the impossiblity of he universe springing into existence without a cause?

[@kennethhale6]

@@Oscardunlap I asked what is the differece between what is natural and what is created not about the big bang theory. Also why can't the regression end with what is natural? Why does it have to take a step into the supernatural? and if it does why does it have to stop at a god why can't it go to what was before a god and what created that?

[@slimfrinky]

@@kennethhale6 It has to, because he will stamp his feet and scream if not.

[@rocketsfan6116]

Ultimately I cannot get past the fact that faith (in the Hebrews 11:1 religious context) is not and logically CANNOT be a reliable tool for discerning what is true from what is not true. Any person who claims to honestly, objectively care about whats true has no choice but to discard faith for this reason from the outset.

[@jibbobdion5072]

Oh boy oh boy, I can't wait to see more Christians talking about the magic sky daddy.

[@Oscardunlap]

Can't wait to hear more atheist talk about the universe magical appearing out of nothing lol.

[@jibbobdion5072]

@@Oscardunlap Aethiest's dont make supernatural claims about how everything came to be, that's you theists take the L.

[@elinoren6965]

​@@jibbobdion5072Then what put the universe into existence? And where did that come from?

[@Swinefeld]

@@Oscardunlap isn’t that the exact talking point of creationists?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@Swinefeld we don't have a problem with the supernatural, the atheist does.

[@unbroken1010]

Did you arrest Joel Osteen for stealing 600k from his church yet?

[@Oscardunlap]

What is the purpose of this comment?

[@unbroken1010]

@@infinitystone6421 would not surprise me. They sound like it here. You missed the point as usual

[@unbroken1010]

@@Oscardunlap to point out the usual . they got nothing to say about people like Joel , Hinn , Robertson l or Ravi etc. criminals in their faith. 90 percent of organized religion is corrupt. Forget about that Reformation too

[@Oscardunlap]

@@unbroken1010 oh wow you are so misinformed you should be embarrassed to make knowledge claims about that which you know nothing at all about. We regularly speak against false teachers... And all of those guys you mentioned we adamantly oppose. For you to speak as if you know otherwise is simply irresponsible... Maybe ask some questions before you begin to make accusations... Just wow.

[@unbroken1010]

@@Oscardunlap I wanna hear it from them in a video. Misinformed on Joel? I think not

[@kissfanatic2654]

13:57 “we don’t say we are animals because the scriptures don’t say that” that’s the most closed minded shit I’ve ever heard

[@2witnessespodcast437]

Really? So your why do we treat human life distinctly more valuably than we do that of animals? To suggest there is no intrinsic difference between man and beast is to deny the most obvious truth. The man that says we're animals because we share a degree of DNA with chimps is extremely simplistic and presumptuous.

[@kissfanatic2654]

@@2witnessespodcast437 Because humans have more intelligence to make important decisions and have more legal rights! You saying that evolution is “denying the obvious” what evidence you got that makes the Bible’s stories obvious

[@PretiumLibertatisEstVigilantia]

Actually the Bible does say that humans are animals. Point #2 no one can disprove something that has never existed. Disprove God Krishna doesn't exist... Exactly! With that type of logic anyone can claim fairies exist, and then say: "disprove fairies don't exist." How can anyone do that? All religions would be true since no one can disprove their God's DON'T exist. Point #3 The group begins with a presupposition that God exists. How? Where is He? Basically they begin an argument with the conclusion so they are relieved from the burden of proof and try to place it on the other person. Slippery like chicken shit. That's what Aron was trying to point out. As an atheist I don't claim that God doesn't exist, I just reject the claim due to the lack of evidence. Presuppositions are good only in philosophical arguments and play a semantic role to make a point.

[@aarongarza375]

So gald that I am a Atheist and out that delusional

[@shiznicks74]

You edited this post and still fucked it all up? are you re-ta-rded?

[@Oscardunlap]

Explain the delusion to me?

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap God would be the delusion, obviously.

[@aarongarza375]

@@Oscardunlap religion!

[@elinoren6965]

​@@slimfrinkyHe said define it, not restate your claim. Atheists have no philosophical comprehension and thus cannot ground any of their claims. Their worldview is incoherent. Nothing is moral or immoral. Everything just is, according to atheists

[@bigshagg3815]

I'm no atheist but what Aron was saying is 100% correct.

[@Oscardunlap]

Which part?

[@bigshagg3815]

@@Oscardunlap pretty much all of it

[@Oscardunlap]

@@bigshagg3815 that's taking the easy route... Give me an example please.

[@Oscardunlap]

​@@bigshagg3815?

[@bigshagg3815]

​@Oscardunlap oh, you're serious? I'll just start from the beginning, I believe there is a God but I can't prove it. I don't share Aaron's views about the Bible but a lot of what he's talking about is just common sense and basic science

[@ohthelushlife]

"Thou shall not kill"....except for all those times "god" sanctioned genocide, huh?

[@nevercalifornia2005]

Please Heavenly Father Bless these Christians and help these people turn from the lies of the Satanic Temple.

[@marilyndavis1789]

They never open the bible and should him in the word of God. Why have the bible if your not going to open it. What was the point of all this.

[@Oscardunlap]

We preached the word of God for hours. He rejects it. The pont of is was to give an answer for the hope that is in us. 1 Pet 3:15.

[@Hail_Sagan]

It's always word salad with these guys. "Logic is evidence of god" makes absolutely zero sense.

[@Oscardunlap]

I am the guy from the video and is like to prove my point for you. Logic, that which governs our reality, has its origin by necessity outside of time and space. We know this because the laws of logic are not material but they are real apart from opinion or observation. Therefore in a atomistic materialistic worldview, there is no way to account for the laws of logic. Secondly, science tells us of the universal law of cause and effect. So using logic, we can understand that the existence of the universe must have a cause... Anything other than this is, according to science, is simply illogical. Now if we follow an infinite regress of cause and effect, we never actually arrive at he origin. Necessarily, therethenkist be an uncaused first cause that exist outside of temporal reality that is not subject to the law of cause and effect. So the fact that anything exist at all proves the existence of God. There you go. Now please point out to me the flaw in my logic from your perspective.

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap You are so right. So following that logic, then there must be a cause for god as well, and then that god must also have a cause, and so forth. I'm not sure why you are stopping at god. And if you can stop there, then I can stop at the origin of the universe just as easily. And I'm not convinced that cause and effect are universal anyway, I mean, for all I know, there might be particles that travel backwards in time. If that was the case, then cause and effect wouldn't be a universal constant. We really just don't know.

[@Hail_Sagan]

@@Oscardunlap So basically you responded to my claim that all you guys do is offer word salad, with more word salad. Unless you have actual evidence, then all you have are unsubstantiated claims, which proves nothing. "There must be" is not evidence. Just because you don't know or understand something, doesn't mean there must be a supernatural being behind it. That's called "god of the gaps".

[@MaliciousMatt888]

They really shot down some valid points Aron made lol, humans do share many similar traits that apes have including molars, fingers, finger prints, muscle development, even genitalia and more. How can you just say its a coincidence that there's so many similarities and we have no genetic history with them. Did god just roughly make them in his imagine first and later made a better more capable animal in his imagine that he named Adam. Remember god wanted man to remain less aware in his garden with all the other animals until a talking snake made them consciously aware of morality and the environment.

[@bushmasterflash]

When a bunch of apes cannot understand what they are being told. You would be better off trying to explain heaven to Gibbons Aron. How can you falsify the existence of god? In exactly the same way as you can falsify the existence of unicorns. If you make a claim, there must be something we can do that might falsify the claim. If you claim that unicorns exist, what can be done to falsify that? The bible claims a global flood happened. We can show that it did not. So the claim is false.

[@Oscardunlap]

This is a woefully uniformed statement... In fact the exact opposite of what you said it true regarding a universal flood. Please show me your sources and I'll show you mine 🙂

[@bushmasterflash]

@@Oscardunlap You would like me to show you the stratigraphic sequence of everywhere on Earth? I can show you how to interpret the sequences using direct comparisons to processes that are continuing to this day. I can show you that any fast global flood would not cause the sort of layering we see in the rock record. I can show you the type of sequence we DO get in the rock record when there is a large rapid flood though. Not a global one but a huge one nonetheless. I cannot however show you where the vast quantity of water that would be required for the flood has gone nor where it came from, and I cannot explain why freshwater fish are still a thing. (Try putting a goldfish in the ocean for a couple of days and see how it does. Or did they have all the kinds of fish somewhere on the ark?) Would you like me to show you the written records of people from various continents who were around during the time of the flood that never noticed that it happened at all? North and South America, China, and Australia. No global floods were mentioned but they have relics from before the time of the flood and their peoples remain extant to this day. Akward. Any answers cannot include the words "and then some magic happened" or similar. I can't wait to see what evidence you have.

[@MindForgedManacle]

These guys are dishonest, and have no idea what "logic" is or means. Logic refers to a particular logical consequence relationship. That is, propositional transformation by means of inference rules. And there are TONS of different systems of logic and mathematics. It's obvious the Christians are just as dishonest as Aron claimed, they literally know nothing in the topic. Asking where logic "comes from" makes no sense, unless you mean historically or you mean what makes it correct. It's like you have 2 people, one of whom is taller. And they ask you where "taller than" comes from. It's an abstract relationship. Even if you're a mathematical Platonist, you don't think abstract objects "come from" somewhere and even under that they aren't subject to or dependent upon God to exist. The very point of platonism is they don't depend on anything else to exist necessarily.

[@Oscardunlap]

This is very simple... I am asking where does the rules of logic come from and could they be different?

[@MindForgedManacle]

​@@Oscardunlap It's not very simple, and that you think that reveals your lack of knowledge on the topic. The issue is you're using words in a topic as if they have an obvious meaning there which indicates an unavoidable answer, but they don't. Define "logic" and "rules of logic" and what it means for them to "come from somewhere". I gave you definitions for them. Because if logic is a consequence relationship of preserving a designated value (like "true"), then the "rules of logic" are simply defined means by which that preservation relationship is accomplished. And these rules are purely derived from assumptions baked into the logic itself. In which case, because no single assumption is actually necessary for a logic to be built, then yes they could be different by simply having different starting assumptions. As an example, Disjunction Introduction is valid in first-order logic, but not because of some fact of the universe or inability to operate without it. It's just allowed because of the way the OR operation is defined there. If you move to a Paraconsistent logic (non-classical), that rule of logic is not present or is weakened in cases where contradictions are involved.

[@viarah1536]

How are you not too embarrassed to share this? Christian persecution of minority religion is on full display here. Aron Ra seems very intriguing, definitely going to look into him more!

[@Oscardunlap]

Why would I be?

[@viarah1536]

@@Oscardunlap Because you are persecuting a minority religion.

[@Oscardunlap]

@@viarah1536 how am I persecuting him?

[@viarah1536]

@@Oscardunlap You're kidding, right? Do you deny it?

[@vladikrafft8465]

The goth dude knows this book better than the guys believing that crap.

[@chere100]

AronRa is so cool.

[@brettperry218]

Birds born in a cage see flying as a disease.

[@DagobahDave]

Here's to another 2000 years of debating about how Jesus is definitely coming back soon.

[@Oscardunlap]

Lol no ever said that... You got the wrong Christians here.

[@gungusmoo]

As a Christian, I applaud you for making a genuinely good joke. The kind of Christians who produce this content do not believe in the rapture, soooo...

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Admitting that presupposition is evidence shows you don't understand what evidence is. Lol. It just shows you have nothing but assertions.

[@Oscardunlap]

Actually it does not. Your comment shows you have no idea of what my intention was. Creation is endowed with revelational epistemology. Meaning the evidence of my claims is God's revelation in nature. That is things such as logic, morality and uniformity of nature. For this reason did I tell him that he would interpret the evidence in according with his presuppositions, to which he said he didn't have any... Lol that's just silly. You can't even think at all without presupposing things that you are unable to test and yet you hold to be true. Hope that helps you understand 🙂

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@Oscardunlap there is no morality in nature. Again, all you have is blind assertions. Presuppositionists don't have evidence. Only assertions

[@Oscardunlap]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer ok let's try this again since you did not interact at all with what I said. Are you a materialist that only believes that which can be proven?

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@Oscardunlap I did address it. Presuppositialists don't have evidence. They only assert magical claims and demand they have to be proven wrong or else they are right. It's tantrum throwing child logic. You have to actually prove your assertions. Not just claim that reality makes your case. Because literally anyone can use that for any magical claim

[@mr400meter]

@@Oscardunlap **crickets chirping**

[@buzzbrutusexcelsior2236]

You gave him something to think about. Thank you, ARON RA!!!

[@anthonycrumb5753]

If a mallard is a duck and a labrador is a dog and humans are a subset of apes - hominoida. Then IF mankind was made in the image of God, then God must be a great big super ape - the Kosmic King Kong right. I had almost the same conversation with a family member, I said look lets put our differences aside pick a topic like The Flood (a nice easy one)and we will "go through it" -ok - lets do it. Once it was realised the the snapping turtle shell of faith had to be put aside that was the end of that sadly it got no further. Thanks once again Aron you are an inspiration to us all.

[@mikefranciosa5613]

to the owners of this channel...stop posting videos including Aron Ra because he completely and utterly embarrasses the crap out of you ! ! !

[@Oscardunlap]

That's your opinion... We obviously don't agree 😉

[@davids11131113]

They think the laws of logic and laws of the universe were handed down on a stone tablet from some god 🤣

[@Oscardunlap]

That's silly... You obviously weren't listening.

[@davids11131113]

@@Oscardunlap okay where are they saying the laws of logic come from, in what form…..because when you say ‘they’re just our observations’ they say that’s ridiculous they ‘come from’ somewhere so what is that?

[@mr400meter]

@@davids11131113 Let me ask the question back at you. Where do laws of logic come from?

[@davids11131113]

@@mr400meter Well I if you’re talking about the Aristotelian ‘laws of logic’ they ‘came from’ Aristotle although they are not actually laws but more properly axioms. They don’t apply to all logic so they’re not ‘universal laws’ since there are other kinds of logic, fuzzy logic etc.

[@mr400meter]

@@davids11131113 So the law of non-contradiction isn't universal?

[@MinedMaker]

Always good to see spirited debate. A point which I think was somewhat overlooked is the "Hitchens razor" comment Aron ra made. It is the reason he feels confident in saying there is no God, but it was never directly addressed by the preachers.

[@Deathadder90]

The man has a perfect point tho. You cannot prove god exists. Some people would say, proof that god doesn't exist, well you can't proof a negative either. Centuries of study of the world around us has shown it to be billions of years old tho. So anyone believing in a young earth..

[@Oscardunlap]

@@Deathadder90 can a immaterial, eternal, personal and all powerful God be proven through utilizing logic and what we can scientifically observe in reality?

[@Deathadder90]

@@Oscardunlap First part can be applied subjectively, second part is a firm no.

[@drinjj]

@@Oscardunlap It is unclear what is the answer you're expecting here so I'll give both: if it's possible then nobody succeeded so far to do so. if it's not possible then you have to admit that you have no evidence for it and become an atheist.

[@Oscardunlap]

@@Deathadder90 wrong. We can and do.

[@danielwurst3678]

By stating that logic itself is the proof for the existence of God, you just gave away that there is no "faith".

[@Oscardunlap]

That's only if you have a warped view of what faith is... Faith is not what is contrary to reason and evidence. Faith is the very foundation of reason and evidence. Do you have to have faith in the process by which to test something to validate it? Do you have faith in the accuracy of a ruler hen using it? Faith is the stating point of all knowledge... And if you have no stating point for you knowledge, you could never know anything.

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap As for your questions... No, I don't need faith to test something. In fact, I'm doing the opposite when testing something, I'm being skeptical. Duh. I don't have to have faith in the accuracy of a ruler, it is something that can be easily tested to ensure accuracy, therefore, faith is not required. Skeptical inquiry is the starting point of knowledge. Not faith.

[@patrickwilder9980]

Love my brothers, keep on being faithful. Put that sheep food out there….they will come. Let’s go save the world by Gods grace and the power of his spirit! Great content brothers. God bless!

[@rockpadstudios]

what a bunch of fools

[@rc4688]

As intelligent as Aaron is he should know, after having this conversation so many times, that arguing with christians is pointless. Neither side ever wins.

[@slimfrinky]

No, the Christians win. They get to go back home and edit a video in a manner that makes it look positive to Christians, and then show the video to their churches as evidence that they are 'facing down the forces of evil', after which the church will line up to give them cash. When you look at it from the perspective of what the Christians want to get out of it, which is exposure and reputation, then I'd say that the Christians always 'win', even when they are obviously fully ignorant of, well, everything. There is no way to 'win', because we are playing different games.

[@alejandrofalconh]

Watching people arguing with christians is what eventually made me leave religion. So I admire anyone who puts in the effort to do so.

[@Oscardunlap]

@Angels_From_Africa Prove. What's your best atheist argument?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@slimfrinky can you show me how I'm ignorant? And of what exactly?

[@slimfrinky]

@@Oscardunlap Christian apologists are normally ill equipped when it comes to common sense. For instance, I've told you multiple times now that my goal is to waste your time. Yet, you continue to speak to me, which has been cracking everyone up over here in my Satanic Headquarters. It is impossible for you to argue that you aren't lacking in brain cells when you keep providing me with exactly what I want, even after being told multiple times what it is. You are basically kicking the ball into your own goal over and over again, and I'm not sure how much more obvious that I can possibly be about what is going on. It's really quite sad to see. Please continue doing it. 🤣

[@alekizzu4705]

“That’s verification and that’s false” hold on wtf did that dude just say?😂

[@Oscardunlap]

Verificationism is the term... And yes, it's false.

[@cb738]

Bear mind that child of the father of lies will not emit any truth

[@joeventura6287]

To say that logic comes from a god is like to say that math too...They are obsessed with the "where does (insert anything here) come from" but when that thing is God.

[@Oscardunlap]

Yes because chaos and chance can give rise to systems .... Right

[@kellydavid7408]

This is why believing in fairytale is not a "good" thing.

[@Sailman1]

Logic is not evidence of God. Logic comes from people. Logic comes from the Greek word “logos” Thousands of years before the Bible. Thousands of years before God. Apologetics are lies.

[@Oscardunlap]

There is no before God... She me a civilization of people that didn't have a concept of God?

[@Sailman1]

@@Oscardunlap yes there is “before god” people believed in other gods before your god was invented

[@filthyrichpunk583]

Aron is trying to help them understand . .@24:50 " We are not trying to understand you, Aron" AHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahaha

[@davids11131113]

Ignorant zealots.

[@kissfanatic2654]

Symptoms of schizophrenia Delusions (believing things that aren’t true) (The Bible) Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren’t there) (A guy named Jesus) Jumbled or confused thinking and speaking (The truth of reality) Odd and random movements like strange posture Praying to an imaginary friend

[@Oscardunlap]

Lol funny... Prove it

[@anthonychiaia8]

I take it your attending the conference or you just like religious content

[@cjewell8444]

Before you claim that Jesus and the bible is merely a hallucination , look into a man name Josephus. He was a historian of many things in biblical times. He was not a follower of Christ, but he did write about first hand witnesses of people , of things Jesus and His followers did. And after that try and disprove the people and places in the bible. I would love to see what you come up with.

[@Z4r4sz]

@@cjewell8444 *_"he did write about first hand witnesses of people"_* Which makes his writing second hand accounts. Which doesnt make either accounts true. And he only references a guy that could be jesus, not a definitive line about jesus. And then still its only second hand account because josephus never actually met jesus. Like everyone else because the supernatural, born of a virgin jesus who stood infront of a king and demanded they should bow never existed. Not "because this book with unicorns, talking snakes and magic says so". *_"And after that try and disprove the people and places in the bible."_* You got it the wrong way. YOU and christians like you who claim those events took place, the places like the tower of babel & the ark existed, the people like jesus existed have the burden of proof. It should be easy if its actually historical, right? Because there would be archeological sites, actual history books from verifiable authors and physical evidence of the events. But there isnt. And you want us to show you that big nothing that you have...

[@cjewell8444]

@@Z4r4sz so..I take that as a no. No you will not dive into proving the people and places of the bible as fantasy then? Like Canaan , Israel...Abraham. And you sound pretty intelligent so, I'm assuming you know a unicorn is simply a one horned animal. Like a rhinoceros. But I understand if you decide to be closed minded about the possibility the people places and events of the bible are true. It's easier to deny and ignore than to learn the truth for your self.

[@angelslayer169]

The fact he claims "he won" shows just how deluded he has become. There is no "winning" these arguments there is just the truth irrespective of either party.

[@POOPGOD999]

Aron cussing is gold

[@KC-sd7nh]

Creationists be like "you don't know how the universe started..." And then end at "blah blah blah Jesus" Because they don't want to debate their actual religious beliefs. Their God and their Bible is easy to refute so they retreat instantly to the mere possibility that maybe there is a a mysterious "watchmaker" style diety. Yall can't even argue honestly out of the gate. It's always this bait and switch approach.

[@Oscardunlap]

Is that what was said? Or did I use logic and reality to point to an uncaused first cause that is personal, omnipotent and eternal. If you have to listen closer.

[@KC-sd7nh]

@@Oscardunlap I listened to the whole thing and you're not out there preaching ust some "first cause". As soon as Aron walked away your group goes right to preaching a specific proscriptive God from a specific interpretation of a specific mythology from a (somewhat) specific collection of manuscripts. I mean why would you even go to Satancon to protest on behalf of an unnamed "first cause" if you didn't have a specific objection?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@KC-sd7nh you missed the first point in my comment. I said a personal uncaused first cause. Only persons create. So yes I am referring to the personal uncaused first cause. Which our universe logically requires

[@KC-sd7nh]

Are you a christian or are you an uncausedfirstcauseian? What doctrine of uncausedfirstcausiatianity brings you to satancon?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@KC-sd7nh again you don't seem to be understanding my point. Of course I am a Christian. I am stating the God of the Bible is the personal uncaused first cause... If you have any real questions. Please ask.

[@thomasreynolds3805]

These things are increasingly hard to watch. The realization that people stunt their own growth TO BELIEVE GARBAGE! we have no explanations so it must be God! Sheer laziness.

[@Chemeleon86]

I wish those cars would drive more quietly.

[@Dragonzord571]

Presuppositions are inherently dishonest.

[@samuelforce7883]

"You cant interpret the bible cuz your an unbeliever!" That's assuming the conclusion. Christianity is true therefore only christians can interpret the bible. The bible says stuff about my faith being true therefore christianity is true.

[@Bacchus666]

Suppose that the universe is in a circle that keeps creating big bangs and life over and over again.Can that be logical?

[@wadeheaton123]

Poor Baby Preacher doing the Gish Gallop and doesn't even know the steps He can't even get his brain in gear.

[@Oscardunlap]

Lol I was the preacher who challenged the "mighty" Aron Ra and walked away thoroughly unimpressed. I expected more.

[@ross_ulbright7779]

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. This is Matthew 6:19. Aron said "everything in the bible is false." So by his definition there is no such thing as corrosion or insects or thieves. Sure buddy.

[@StephenMarlerexperience]

The way I would say it is that strong belief in the Christian view of god, is a distraction from understanding morality.

[@Oscardunlap]

Please elaborate

[@Scorned405]

Yea buddy your life is temporal. That’s the point. You don’t live in the clouds when u die

[@Jyotinanda108]

The Dunging Kruger effect is strong with these dudes

[@mistertracey1]

What are you reading here Oscar?

[@mwnietzschebietzsche7097]

Brandolini law in action !

[@Oscardunlap]

Show me conclusive eveidence of anything that exist that wasnt created?

[@WeirdWonderful]

This one guy seems to assume logic has to be somehow spoken into existence consciously so it can emanate throughout the universe like some kind of radiation, as opposed to being a property of something.

[@Oscardunlap]

No I am saying logic is evidence of a divine mind. How do you aclunt for it in materialist worldview? Please explain?

[@mr400meter]

@@Oscardunlap One month and still no response.

[@WeirdWonderful]

@@mr400meter Because I didn't see a response ?

[@WeirdWonderful]

@@Oscardunlap Simple. A material world, in order to exist at all, has to have things have properties. Those properties have to have a consistent form of reacting to each other under similar circumstances, because otherwise the material component of a world would break down and not even form. I see no reason why simply observing the factual relations between different materials and their properties to each other and their environment, especially when we see they in fact do act consistently and never do anything to magically alter their own properties to suddenly be wildly different in contrast to all we have observed about nature, that this in any way would indicate a god. If we observe natural things having natural reactions and relations to each other in a consistent model, where everything remains within it's own set of constant observed parameters, why would I have to infer a disembodied eternal mindless ageless uncreated superbeing outside of space time ?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@WeirdWonderful that is not accounting for a materialist view of reality. That is explaining the interaction between materials and assuming because all that you have observed has been consistent, that means throughout all time these sames relations have been consistent. For example, the scientific method is built upon a presuppositional framework. One must assume induction without being able to account for. Maybe read Hume on this issue where he at least was reasonable enough to admit. Without the assurety of nature and the materials there in operating consistently throughout all time, one cannot not even be sure of the conclusions arrived at using the scientific method... Which were all that you said regarding the interactions between materials. How can we assume what has happened In the past within the entirety of the universe and the future thereof without assuming an regulating provincial to govern all of reality consistently? Things must be assumed because all variables cannot possibly be verified. The question is, upon what bases are you assuming regularity?

[@Lightarmorknight]

Lol you funny no wonder Aron walked away

[@Oscardunlap]

Walked away came back and walked away again... Some point that proved.

[@jameswright...]

He nade a claim and thinks it's evidence 😂 Prove the world was created before saying it was so needs a creator 😂

[@Oscardunlap]

Huh?

[@cw2586]

The black guy is so smug and condescending.

[@Letmedoubt]

I’m feeling Aron is wasting time on these stupid arrogant guys that came just to troll him. Still he’s great in this. Sound is poor though.

[@JoseSoto-tz4cz]

Poor guys feel sorry for them. Why would you enter a debate without knowing practically anything about the subject? Why embarrass yourself? I’ve never understood that. Don’t do that again unprepared street preachers. 😅

[@2witnessespodcast437]

Yea he showed us... Sike. He didn't want to talk about anything but evolution because he couldn't. How can you be a epistemologist with no foundation of transcendental truth... From his worldview there is no good or evil. There is no right and wrong... But we were unprepared... Right lol

[@JoseSoto-tz4cz]

@@2witnessespodcast437 Transcendental truth? Add if you have such a thing. Wow. I know you all are too arrogant to understand this but the world was not created just for you. And it’s ok to say “I don’t know” when you don’t. You pretend to know things no one does. What’s the point. Just because a random book says so. No. Sorry. That’s not the way the world works. We accept reality the way it is, even if we don’t like it. If your gods were real and demonstrable we would accept it. Until then, we have no reason to.

[@AsixA6]

Hello?!? Your ‘standard’ needs to shown to actually exist or you have NO standard.

[@Oscardunlap]

Can you prove that?

[@brooklyn0029]

the devil is a liar

[@Cherryblossm628]

Aron is the athiest godfather

[@mindbegone]

First ask question then shut mouth & open ears

[@iknownuffing5442]

Aaron Ra!!!

[@Trifinity_International]

Depart from Me for I do not know you ..smh all of these ppl discarded

[@varginabrown852]

Life exclusively comes from Life

[@Oscardunlap]

Facts

[@Z4r4sz]

Did you write that before or after you got an F in science class?

[@varginabrown852]

@@Z4r4sz show me Life coming from inanimate matter naturally 🛋️

[@Z4r4sz]

@@varginabrown852 Define life. And are you suggesting that life formed through unnatural means? Then back up your initial claim that life can only come from life. With evidence, not with apologetic nonsense. Then show me your nobel prize.

[@varginabrown852]

@@Z4r4sz Life = Consciousness/Awareness. Supernatural means.

[@cotdd]

science just "discovered" in recent years that life began in the ocean, right? open page 1 of the bible, we already knew that from thousands of years ago. ;)

[@smokyquartz5817]

It doesn't say that hun.

[@cotdd]

@@smokyquartz5817 maybe read it again, but slower this time?

[@smokyquartz5817]

@@cotdd How Christian.

[@cotdd]

@@smokyquartz5817 did you do it?

[@smokyquartz5817]

@@cotdd Why yes, I taught it.

[@jonathanaldana4941]

“Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless.”” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@jaygandy8675]

Very good Gentleman stay on the Path.

[@cklegion]

The left hand path.

[@unbroken1010]

The subjective morality means you must not eat murderous McDonalds Perdue and Tyson. You shall not kill and won't get a free pass

[@The667tony]

Let me ax you a question 😂

[@WaywardWhiteWalker]

Aron is the shit

[@605freedom]

I believe that Is aaron ra

[@TimothyBushell]

Aron Ra.... not Aaron Ra.

[@605freedom]

@@TimothyBushell ah. My bad damn spellchecker

[@TimothyBushell]

@@605freedom No problem. I only picked up on it because some of his detractors do use the other name to mock him.

[@tjhookit]

Thank you for what you do.

[@perserverance333]

Most precious blood of Jesus Christ, save us and the whole world.

[@firstnamelastname2552]

Aron Ra looks like he would smell bad.

[@say10..]

🤘

[@AlA-ok5jh]

Good on Aron for taking time to debate. But natural man cannot understand God. God is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth. I called on God and encountered Him. God is alive and only know Him if we approach Him as God. That means in a humble and contrite heart. If anyone calls on Jesus with all their heart they will encounter Him. Simply grab a phone and talk ….and if ya hear a voice …ya know there is someone there. ( example) So pray from heart and get a response ..ya know God is alive. Many so called church goers only have brainwashing and programming. A true believer has a fellowship and relationship with God. God is God and our best friend. I hope Aron Ra will pray and ask Jesus if He is the way truth and life. Go to the source and see what happens. If Aron gets zapped or feels God’s Presence he will then believe.

[@trolljones4386]

*I called on God and encountered Him* How can you demonstrate that is actually true and is not just you deluding yourself, being tricked or even the devil lying to you? *So pray from heart and get a response ..ya know God is alive* The problem with this is all religions grant this idea, if you start praying to Allah, Krishna or whoever and have faith in the claims you will feel what you think is God talking to you. Thereby this is not good enough to actually prove the claim is accurate. Second is that is in my personal experience too where i was doubting my faith and slowly becoming an Atheist at the end of it i begged God to prove himself real and overcome my doubts and i aint get anyone on the other end of the line. So using personal experiences also works against you.

[@AlA-ok5jh]

Ask God to give you a fish or loaf of bread …will He give you a stone? God sees the heart. Pray in right attitude ( humble and contrite and all your heart ) and in faith …God will respond. He is faithful. Word tells us…draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh ( close ) to you. God bless….when the Holy Spirit comes on a person after a sinner’s prayer it is called the born again experience ! Yes one feels the Holy Spirit come upon them and they feel something has happened …a change … An encounter with God’s Spirit. Ephesians 2:8&9 …free for the asking.

[@trolljones4386]

@@AlA-ok5jh *Ask God to give you a fish or loaf of bread …will He give you a stone?* He won't give me anything because he isn't real, again praying to a God you don't believe in won't help for 2 reasons, 1 is that it doesn't prove the truth of the claim. 2 is that i can invoke religious experiences with any God if i believed in it thereby which one is still correct? Aronra used to be a Pagan who could invoke any God you wanted to see with the right ritual but then came to the conclusion that it was just tricking the brain into seeing the figure after being able to invoke any God you personally believe in so he could invoke a Christian to see Jesus or a Pagan to see Thor for example. Third is what if i told you just pray to Allah, say the Muslim sinner prayer and you will feel the power of Allah as stated in the Quran? how would that convince you? you don't believe in Islam (neither do i) but the argument just pray makes no sense. *and in faith …God will respond* My experience has the exact opposite happening, God never responds there is no one on the end of the line it is like talking to a brick wall. *when the Holy Spirit comes on a person after a sinner’s prayer it is called the born again experience* I have prayed that and felt nothing.

[@AlA-ok5jh]

Well I believe and know Jesus is real in my life just like if I look at my hand I know I see a hand. Do not give up because the Word says every person has been given a measure or seed of faith to ignite … Also Romans ( book of ) tells us by seeing the earth planets space stars so on…the creation we inner know there must be a Supreme being. Just explosions in space or Big Bang …& billions and billions of years would never give us people animals so forth…plus emotion of feelings ….cry happy thinking … Do not give up because Satan hates all of us and Jesus loves all of us too. He loves you.

[@physicsman23]

After watching the first 27 minutes of this, I saw that the atheist guy didn't have a response he kept going to certain details about creation pretending that that was the answer but he never answered the questions- because he can't. And then decided to read some of the comments and was flabbergasted- so many people were saying that he won the argument and I realized that the comment section is a looney bin lol

[@zelkarr7016]

No one really won, it was mostly a civil discussion and both sides don't really have any answers, the difference is the atheist has no problem admitting he doesn't know all the answers and tries to use logic and reasoning, the theists on the other hand are just cowards making assertions with nothing to back it up.

[@butterification]

Warlock has a GIRLY VOICE 😱😵🙄🤩🤣😂😅

[@jonathanaldana4941]

The fact that Aron ra gets angry, just shows his unrepentant heart and that he follows the father of lies

[@Dan-ys8nk]

You're gaslighting him. How Christian. There's no hate like Christian love.

[@POOPGOD999]

Id get pretty impatient if i had to spend almost 2 hours explaining the same thing for brainwashed people who dont want to accept the truths

[@blacksheep3463]

First thing he did was show up and use a double standard

[@spiritminister1080]

I know the bible to be true because I've seen Jesus. His Spirit holds everybody's hand that has breath. Even that satanist's hand. If you're living, it is because He is living with you. He gives you every chance in the Book to receive Him. Even at the moment of death.

[@Z4r4sz]

Doesnt sound delusional at all.

[@kissfanatic2654]

Yeah you should go to the hospital if your seeing an imaginary friend

[@slimfrinky]

I'm so glad that you experienced something that is so meaningful to you. That being said, your experience is not the same as all other peoples experiences, so perhaps you should allow others the freedom to live their life as they please, insofar as you all try not to hassle one another. I don't think that is much to ask at all, wouldn't you agree?

[@KINGBELIAL13]

You seeing jesus doesn’t prove the most important parts of the gospels message

[@Deathadder90]

@@slimfrinky Wait, you'd ask for people to let people be. Yet, at the same time. Christians blocked the satancons first planned location? Who is supposed to let who be actually?

[@JamesRendek]

People who constantly look for proof have not been found yet. If they remain that stiff-necked they probably never will. At some point either 4000 coincidences and looking at Revelations (and out the window) should tell you something.

[@KC-sd7nh]

Revelations is supernatural apocalypse fantasy about the Roman empire. It doesn't have anything to do with us and it is in no way prophetic Which is why it's talking about dragons and monsters And not tanks and airplanes.

[@JamesRendek]

@@KC-sd7nh guess I won't be seeing you 🙄

[@KC-sd7nh]

@@JamesRendek typical theist response to not understanding your own literature. But I'm sure we'll all learn that you were right all along in the end....just think its convenient how yall keep kicking that can down the road for almost 2000 years now. But I'm sure It's for real this time ;)

[@JamesRendek]

@@KC-sd7nh if you don't think a one world government, one world currency and the vaxx of the beast isn't indicator enough I can't save you. Australia, Austria and Canada have already fallen. The camps are here.

[@KC-sd7nh]

You mean a on3 world government like the Roman empire? One official currency like the Roman government issued and mandated in occupied lands? "The mark" (charagma) on official documents required to trade in the empire? The beast as in 666 (a hebrew numerologic way of writing Nero) the much reviled emperor of Rome? The same Rome that persecuted jews and early christians?? Like wow, so prophetic.

[@gd7020]

Avoid foolish controversy, his only Goal is to stop the preaching of the gospel.

[@unbroken1010]

If you eat murderous McDonalds Perdue and Tyson them should you be forgiven?

[@Oscardunlap]

@@unbroken1010 what are you taking about?

[@unbroken1010]

@@Oscardunlap you people sin more than the rest of us

[@Oscardunlap]

@@unbroken1010 according to what standard?

[@unbroken1010]

@@Oscardunlap according to universal law. You the gatekeeper for this channel or what?