EPIC Religious Debate Faith Vs Logic

How do you know what to believe and what is real? The film opens as a Michigan high school class trip to Washington DC, stumbles into an atheist/agnostic rally on the National Mall. One student quickly abandons his "bible is the word of god" augment as soon as it is pointed out that the bible sanctions slavery. But the debate on religion gets real (2:45) when Dustin S Segers, a professional Christian evangelist, takes up the crusade. Please support this channel, buy me a coffee to keep the edits coming. www.buymeacoff...
He traveled from Greens­boro, N.C., with the mission to win over non-believers to his lord, Segers believes he can win converts to Jesus with "Christian Presuppositional Apologetics," which aims to present a "rational basis" for the Christian faith by using an evidential method to defend the faith, starting from the neutral ground with the unbeliever then builds up to proving the existence of his version of the Christian god. But Segers rationality is exposed as Christian bullyism* (see definition at the end) when he debates Adam Johnson (with glasses), a 19-year-old college student at the time. Adam argues that it's essential to figure out what's real and what's made up."The only way to know something - is through our logic and our reason. " (8:15)
The preacher's best argument - is to convince someone that logic does not exist. Segers tenaciously browbeats Adam until the preacher is convinced he has gotten Johnson to admit that "logic does not exist." Though Johnson denies it, the Pastor triumphantly announced he had and declared victory. In the end, Pastor Segers admits to mistakes but adds that his god will forgive him. This allows Adam Johnson to quip, with visible disgust, that that's exactly the problem. Believing that god forgives you for your mistakes lets you off the hook, no need to correct the mistake nor to make good with the people you've offended. And the intellectual trickery is defended cause the means justify the ends as long as you are spreading the word of god.
Dustin once vigorously participated in this KZbin comment section but then shut down his KZbin channel wiping out all comments. Which had included a follow-up debate challenge with Adam Johnson (with glasses), which was declined. On May 22, 2013, Dustin recommenced comments from a new Dustin Segers KZbin Channel. Dustin has also deleted his blog post, with his version of the "Reason Rally" using the name "dustman" Though a version of it was picked up at bahnsenburner.b...
He also makes music see • Dustin sings Who will ...
The logical debater in this video is Adam Johnson (with glasses), who monitors this comments section, regularly responds to comments,
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For the Christian Preachers edit of the see "Reason Rally 2012: The OFFICIAL Christian Vlog" • Reason Rally 2012: The...
* CHRISTIAN BULLYING is defined as "a persistent unwelcome behavior, mostly using unwarranted or invalid criticism, nit-picking, fault-finding, also exclusion, isolation," and much more. Here are some ways Christians may come across as bullies.
* Mocking another person's beliefs because they are different.
* Undermining another person's life because it does not line up with the Bible.
* Ignoring another person's ideas because they do not line up with your beliefs.
* Humiliating non-Christian's in front of others because they do not want to come to a saving grace in Christ. (see more from whittwrites.hub...)
In addition threatening someone, especially kids, with eternal damnation and going to hell for not believing in their brand of Christianity is also CHRISTIAN BULLYING.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. The tendency was first experimentally observed by David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University in 1999. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that easy tasks for them are also easy for others.
Dunning and Kruger have postulated that the effect is the result of internal illusion in the unskilled and external misperception in the skilled: "The miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others." en.wikipedia.o...

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

He's saying you can't use your senses to prove your senses. Then how does he prove god? By reading the bible. How does he read the bible? Using his senses. So, if we can trust our senses, we can say we don't believe in god cuz we can't see him. If we can't trust our senses we can say we don't believe in god cuz the bible isn't proof.

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

Gary Nickerson and why are the bibles from other religions false? Some of them are older than your bible...

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

Gary Nickerson I was referring to the bibles from other religions. Why is your bible the truth and the bible, lets say, from Islam, false?

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

Gary Nickerson It doesn't matter if you agree with the message or with who Mohammed was. How do you know that Allah isn't the real god? How do you know you're worshipping the right god. Just cuz you agree the most with your bible doesn't mean it's true. What evidence do you have, that clears your mind of maybe worshipping a false god?

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

Gary Nickerson It doesn't doesn't answer my question. How do you know that's true? Just because it says that, doesn't mean it's true. Why do you believe in that and don't believe in the bibles from other religions. They also say they are the truth and the only truth.

[@JoaoFerreira-dl9qr]

Gary Nickerson Omg, I don't know if you realize how bigoted you sound. I'm not even going to waste my time.

[@SkizzlePiano]

Deuteronomy 24:16, “children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.” why the fuck are we punished for Adam and Eve's sins again?

[@SkizzlePiano]

Obbelisk no because he didn't exist, but according to the bible he's my ancestor which means his my father's father's father's... and the punishment for original sin is passed on from farther to son for multiple generations

[@SkizzlePiano]

Obbelisk oh i'm just trying to show people like you the contradictions of the bible and make you think for yourself so that you can let go of middle age myths and do something productive with your life

[@SkizzlePiano]

ok, looks like this one's a lost cause. I'm sure you'll be fine, after all ignorance is bliss.

[@brendanauri]

+Obbelisk Go fuck yourself.

[@caelovergaard6182]

+SkizzlePiano Adam and Eve where a test for the whole entire human race, not just for themselves Humans will always be tempted by the devil and if we give in we shouldn't go to heaven unless we really are sorry for what we've done. That's what purgatory exists for. When you die you will go there unless you sacrificed yourself like most of the saints then you get a ticket straight to heaven. You need to be in purgatory since you have sin on your shoulders people have to pray for you to go to heaven to actually get to heaven and you'll have to repent for your sins there. By the way the garden Adam and Eve where in was actually heaven if you didn't know. Humans will always commit sin and when we repent we go to heaven is the lesson Adam and Eve's story teaches us.

[@SydneySings137]

Christianity: The belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creations from God

[@galaxy2699]

Straw man

[@RUEZ69]

+Galaxy SII He hit the nail on the head.

[@jermektubel]

+Galaxy SII Nope, nutshell

[@plixik]

+Sydney Jones That's a perfect deconstruction.

[@jermektubel]

Deconstruct this! -unzips pants-

[@austinhernandez2716]

I'm an atheist and I hate the way those guys argued so aggressively.

[@Penguinz4LOLZ]

an*

[@austinhernandez2716]

Alex4Lolz but you ignore the first comment lol

[@austinhernandez2716]

***** yes I am. I do not believe in God.

[@aaronstein8285]

I felt the same way, but I used to be very aggressive also because i was raped while in a religion, and the religion too much of my family's money. However, I now try to temper my PAIN so that I don't get too aggressive. But it's also easy to be aggressive when the religious side do NOT respond to questions and duck certain common sense, etc.

[@melo-drama8062]

agreed, i agree with his claims. But i hate that atheist guy

[@sarakunb621]

This is excellent. Religious debate should be happening with kids and teenagers. Get them to critically think about the religion they inherited from their parents before they reach adulthood so they can make their own decisions quicker.

[@TheAbrahamMichaels]

I think its better to teach kids about religion than having religious debates. I mean, look at this poor atheist - he had no argument and he is supposedly the "logical one" lmao

[@101limestone]

I feel sorry for the youg kid defending religion. He was probably made to attend church with his parents and made to believe as I don't think he had a choice. He's just being a good kid based on the rules set out by his parents. I hope he takes a second look at religion after this.

[@alanminjares3067]

101limestone I don't feel as if he was forced, or his parents forced him to be Christian. He was defending Christianity all he could. Knowing that you're an Atheist and telling someone to destroy their beliefs is real pathetic.

[@101limestone]

Alan Minjares Everyone is entitled to holding a belief. It's when they attempt to force that belief on others and insist that belief be taught in public schools is where I have an issue. I am an atheist and do not like the way those atheists handled the situation in the video. I felt like they were bullying the kid into what they believe as Atheists.

[@alanminjares3067]

101limestone I have an issue with hypocritcal people.

[@101limestone]

Alan Minjares I have an issue with uneducated fundies.

[@alanminjares3067]

101limestone I have an issue with ignorant Atheists thinking they're the greatest thing since toast.

[@cornbornmike1006]

Poor kid, he'll figure it out.

[@johndoes6095]

if he is continuously fed the vitriolic bs of his pastor he may not figure it out. It seems like he has been indoctrinated from from early age.....but i do hope he figures it out.

[@twixxtro]

On judgment day when its too late

[@richardnixon9324]

Y’all aren’t nearly as smart as y’all think

[@MEGABOY240]

We created "god" , and we assumed "god" created us... Can things get any stupider?

[@hestheman33]

+MEGABOY240 Yes.....they can get much stupider, like assuming we created God, and he did not create us.

[@dh599]

+hestheman33 People have created other fictional characters many of which were gods.

[@rottingemptiness]

+MEGABOY240 Not we , but someone created this in his/her mind , and not we assumed , but only a few assumed !!!!

[@GhettoJabeeb]

we can go to jupiter

[@christopherjones7023]

+MEGABOY240 If that's so, then everything else gets called into question. Still, even the Bible shows just how futile idolatry is, pointing out that man-made gods can't do anything for their worshipers, and making it quite clear that false "gods" are to be gotten rid of. "They do not know nor understand; For He has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, And their hearts, so that they cannot understand. And no one considers in his heart, nor is there knowledge nor understanding to say, 'I have burned half of it in the fire, yes I have also baked bread on its coals; I have roasted meat and eaten it; And shall I make the rest of it an abomination? [Key part] Shall I fall down before a block of wood?' " (Isaiah 44:18-19, New King James Version). So yeah, worshiping made-up "gods" is indeed stupid, plus a serious abomination. But the Biblical God, unlike all others, isn't man-made, and He even went to great lengths to prevent worshiping even a man-made representation of Him (see the first two commandments, found in Exodus 20 and elsewhere). Evolution, on the other hand, is a human construct. I'd say any devout Christian, Jew, or Muslim would agree with atheists that worshiping something we came up with is quite stupid and even abominable (as in, disgusting and hideous), in addition to being blasphemous.

[@victormora5168]

its funny sometimes, when a first place winner wins he thanks god. you hardly hear last place guy thank god for losing. heha.

[@i7pb586]

It's easier to believe in god then into yourself, that's why all Christians "kiss him" when all goes well.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

True Christians actually make a point for being grateful and thanking God for what they DO have, even when times are tough.

[@nobadragoon6499]

Christians be like: We have no clue-Therefore GOD

[@dusken2550]

I start to wonder, why did we let the words Christianity and Atheism get into this world? Is the world seriously this ignorant that we have to fight like 11 year olds?

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

+shaqpopcorn34 Dirt? From what material did your god create the Universe and everything in it? What existed, besides your god. before everything came into being in 6 days, less than 10,000 years ago? Tell us what you believe and why?

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

+shaqpopcorn34 I know, you think that your God created everything, but I want to know what you believe existed before that - besides your god, how many years ago did the creation take place and how long did it take.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

+shaqpopcorn34 Well presumably time existed AFTER your god created everything - so the question is how many years ago was that. And you wrote something about an explosion. Just what do you mean by that?

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

+shaqpopcorn34 What was your question?

[@YTBlocker]

Insanity is getting easier and easier to spot these days.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Right. Like people who use the laws of logic to justify the existence of the laws of logic... within their Materialist worldview that claims immaterial things like the laws of logic do not exist.

[@YTBlocker]

@@lightbeforethetunnel You're obviously too illiterate and stupid to talk to.

[@mistylover7398]

@@lightbeforethetunnel?????

[@CNRhKXtreme]

"We have you on tape making illogical statements." "That's okay. I can repent." So, you can pretty much say any asinine thing you want to, as long as you repent?

[@MH-yj4qq]

Lushima Lumumba-Kasongo yup that’s what they think

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

First. He doesn't have him on tape saying illogical things. Second, he did not reply "I can repent" to that false assumption made by the atheist.

[@FECtetra1918]

@@lightbeforethetunnel Nice one, troll.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@FECtetra1918 Does arbitrarily declaring your interlocutor's arguments to be illogical, without justification for this accusation, entail that they actually are, in fact, illogical? Because, if so, then I'll just arbitrarily declare the OP and your response are both illogical & obtain victory by your own rationale.

[@FECtetra1918]

@@lightbeforethetunnel Watch the video first.

[@kimsland999]

This is what you do Christian: god is real Atheist: How do you know that Christian: Because I feel it Atheist: I don't feel it, so you have no real evidence then? Christian: I have the bible Atheist: Why do you think the bible is factual? Christian: Because god said so Atheist: (Walks off) :) Can any other Christian add to that 'evidence' of your god please? Because that seems to be the Christian circular argument over and over and over again. It's getting a bit dumb to listen to this crap.

[@j2mfp78]

So at one point nothing did nothing to nothing and created everything? Sorry I dont have enough faith to be an atheist.

[@kimsland999]

j2mfp78 Faith is what religious people have when they have no good reason to believe something is true. Anyway, was that the evidence from all the Christians out there? There evidence is faith? :) Even your own Christian sheep who replied states he doesn't have enough faith! Geez according to the bible even a mustard seed (found NOT to be the smallest seed, but at that time was thought to be) of faith, you should be able to move mountains! (Matthew 17:20 Luke 17:6) Yet I don't see ANY Christians moving any mountains? What the hell gives.

[@theflyingace9638]

sure it easy read the bible look all the history the for coming that the bible speak of n u will see its all there but u will need to understand to break it down for some words are of slight different meaning due to the translated from Hebrew

[@theflyingace9638]

sure it easy read the bible look all the history the for coming that the bible speak of n u will see its all there but u will need to understand to break it down for some words are of slight different meaning due to the translated from Hebrew

[@theflyingace9638]

sure it easy read the bible look all the history the for coming that the bible speak of n u will see its all there but u will need to understand to break it down for some words are of slight different meaning due to the translated from Hebrew

[@AdamAwesomeAdventure]

New Testament? Why couldn't the all knowing and all powerful get it right the first time?

[@generalgaige2903]

+TheForceWar Because it wasn't written by God, it's written by people who have flawed ideas, and those ideas changed when Jesus came and taught them that they are not defined by their actions, because all people are inherently valuable. If everyone treats people like they are valuable then our society improves.

[@AdamAwesomeAdventure]

+General Gaige I agree with everything you said, except the Jesus part.

[@generalgaige2903]

TheForceWar I don't expect someone to agree with something they don't understand. My only point is that if people really treated each other the way Jesus wanted then our society would be a peaceful utopia (heaven). Better than the alternative, a world where everyone is a purposeless flesh bag, here to serve only their selfish needs and materialistic tendencies (hell).

[@TheBastius]

+General Gaige *_"when Jesus came and taught them that they are not defined by their actions, because all people are inherently valuable."_* It is your superstition that teaches we are worthless and hell/death-deserving by birth (inherently 'sinful') and in need for salvation. That doesn't sound as if we were inherently valuable. *_"if people really treated each other the way Jesus wanted then our society would be a peaceful utopia (heaven)"_* The exact opposite would be the case. According to your mythology, being an atheist is as a severe crime as (randomly) killing people and deserves the exact same punishment (this both criminalizes the logical disbelief and downplays murder). If you were consistent, you would have to demand that atheists (or other non-Xians) have to be thrown in jail for simply being atheists (or other non-Xians). You cannot come up with the excuses of »love your neighbour as yourself« or »love your enemies«, because where do you draw the line? What is e.g. with a murderer that happens to be an atheist (that didn't kill for 'atheistic' reasons)? To jail or not to jail? And why? Your ideology is a dictatorship. That can hardly be desirable. In no way, it were an improvement. btw: your ideology already had the chance...but it dramatically failed. (that's your Jesus: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/0f/97/020f9721a44ecf6678314a5ed026f733.jpg) You don't even have any obligation to treat others 'the way Jesus wanted' due to your »divine loophole« (repenting of the most heinous acts and afterwards acting as if nothing ever happened). And it seems as if you are not good for society's sake but for Jesus's sake. This means, you are not in the least interested in the people you interact with, but in the wealth of your imaginary friend. What, if he had wanted the exact opposite? *_"Better than the alternative, a world where everyone is a purposeless flesh bag"_* By this 'logic' of yours, the device you wrote your comments with, is useless/worthless since it is 'just' a bag of atoms/molecules. It is the sum of the elements that makes the difference (have you ever heard of emergent properties?). Do you seriously think that serving a made up god and mindlessly bowing down to him, is a superior purpose? Do you seriously think that only because people don't have your personal and subjective purpose, then their life is purposeless? Isn't your view pretty selfish and arrogant? It is true that there is not *the* purpose of life...but this means, you have to make up your own purpose. And life cannot be purposeless, because you could even dedicate your life to find a purpose of life.

[@generalgaige2903]

TheBastius "Do you seriously think that serving a made up god and mindlessly bowing down to him, is a superior purpose?" You completely missed the point. Jesus doesn't want to be worshiped and neither does God, that is called idolatry and is against Jesus. Any frankenreligion that claims that you must worship Jesus or you go to hell is not REAL. It was made up by hateful people to control the masses. Wake the fuck up, that's not even what I'm talking about.

[@TheBullemore]

I don’t believe in nothing supernatural, for me there are no Gods, no Fairies, no Santa, no Voldemort. If someone grownup believe in those things, well, is up to them. Is sad to see kids believing that nonsense though.

[@yondo4562]

its not bullying if there trying to get him to think of what he's believing

[@jessdedication]

Yondo agreed

[@billyforrest6562]

Kind of is, especially if there circling him that's bullying

[@GlowingMpd]

...if (THEY’RE) trying...👍

[@GlowingMpd]

@@billyforrest6562 ...if (THEY’RE) circling... 👍

[@theturtle9724]

@@billyforrest6562 Everyone the guy talked to was circled around

[@UzumakiNaruto-ez8jc]

The bald guy destroyed them all

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

How so?

[@Cortexsaga]

Eddie Becker He wasn't watching the video, he was watching his imagination. Either that or hes a troll. Either way, wrong :D

[@TheLostOne232]

that bald guy is saying that that we cant be or think without god. just same shit but he said it better

[@Enkabard]

He did not, but he was first christian ever who could even argue and talk back, FIRST. Even if everything what he said is just phylozofical bulls**t without reason.

[@TheLostOne232]

***** true at least he put up an argument. but it did seem redundant his point cant be proven

[@richardfrascone1577]

This kid didn't know slavery was in the bible. He should sit down and read the bible. He'll be an atheist in no time.

[@richardfrascone1577]

I'm not sure how this "circle" works. But I know the bible is evil. Any questions?

[@richardchavarria8153]

There are no Atheists. All people know God exists.

[@grizzlybear5321]

I am proof there are Atheists. You are an Atheist too. You are, presumably, an Atheist with respect to the tooth fairy, zues, odin, mythras, vishnu, and skeletor. I know there is no god.

[@neosubzero2880]

cody kremer Skeletor lol. i love exaggerations, whether or not it is one.

[@grizzlybear5321]

Ernest Carter I love to throw skeletor in there every once in a while I get a read on some of the people who are my age or older, and who is just like wtf...? :P It sends a serious tone yet at the same time still encourages humor in replies.

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

The small amount of bullying by the adults here is trivial compared to the abuse this child suffered when adults bullied him into believing religious nonsense.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

First, the word "religion" is a meaningless word with no legitimate meaning. It cannot be properly differentiated from "worldview." And everyone must have a worldview, including Theists and Atheists. So why do Atheists think the word religion only applies to Theistic worldviews? No definition of the word actually defines it that way. Second, your comment employs circular reasoning in that you're assuming Christianity is false ("religious nonsense") when that's precisely what you'd need to prove. Christianity has not been disproved, so why are you acting like you know it's false?

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

@@lightbeforethetunnel “religion” was defined by the content of this video which you later acknowledge, so I see no need in diverting to your semantics. You’ve tied “nonsense” to an existential negation I didn’t make. I don’t need to prove the supernatural claims of Christianity false. I have yet to be saddled w/ a methodology to prove their supernatural truth claims aren’t nonsense. The ensuing hypocrisy is what validates my usage of “nonsense”. Feel free to provide a methodology and try to change my mind.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@brunorhagalcus6132 No. Words are not defined by YT videos, dude. That's a ridiculous response. Type in *definition of religion* into Wikipedia and there's a well-sourced entry explaining how: 1. Religion is ultimately a word without legitimate meaning according to all credible, academic reference works on the subject because... 2. Scholars cannot agree on a consistent, coherent definition that differentiates the word "religion" from "worldview." 3. It goes into the fact the word "religion" is only a modern phenomenon in the West only, and does not even have an equivalent word in other languages / cultures. 4. Theists and Atheists both MUST have worldviews, so given that there is no logically coherent way to differentiate "religion" from "worldview" according to any credible reference work on the subject, this means anyone who uses the word religion to describe Theistic worldviews would also then be required to also use the word religion to describe Atheistic worldviews if they wish to remain consistent. The only way to NOT do that is to commit linguistic fallacies. So, sure, you could be incoherent / irrational if you want to... which you already have done by claiming a YT video gets to dictate what the word religion means. The most common fallacy commited in relation to this would be: 1. Appeal to dictionary fallacy 2. Equivocation fallacy ANY worldview, whether it's Theistic or Atheistic, is going to include NUMEROUS faith-based philosophies. Here's an example of the faith-based philosophies in an Atheist's worldview; (none of these can be observed / scientifically verified to be true over competing options and therefore require faith/belief) 1. Evolutionism 2. Naturalism 3. Scientism 4. Materialism 5. Uniformitarianism 6. Humanism 7. Secularism 8. Moral Relativism 9. Empiricism 10. Hedonism 11. Mereological Nihilism (required to deny that the universe began to exist) 12. Eventually Atheism leads to Philosophical Nihilism (belief that there is no objective truth, knowledge, morality, values and/or meaning) 13. Heliocentrism 14. Belief in a certain political approach or government rule 15. Perhaps Belief in LGBTQ And more.. Even just adhering to Atheism ITSELF is a faith-based belief that can't be scientifically verified over its only competing philosophical position: Theism. Neither of them can be scientifically verified, just like with every debate between opposing philosophical positions, so you cannot settle the debate with physical / scientific evidence. All such evidence could be interpreted to support either side, so the only form of evidence that can exist for either side is: Logically valid & sound argumentation. There are 200+ logically valid and sound arguments for Theism over Atheism with none whatsoever for the other way around. When the evidence is 200+ to 0, it's clear which is the more logical / rational position to adhere to.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@brunorhagalcus6132 Also, it's actually quite easy to prove Naturalism false (which, by necessity, proves the supernatural true by logical entailment) Below, I'll cover why the faith-based philosophy of Naturalism is: 1. Fallacious and self-refuting 2. Self-refuting 3. Another way to show Naturalism is false. 4. Yet another way to show Naturalism is self-refuting and false by necessity. 1. Naturalism is fallacious & self-refuting. Naturalism is a universal negative fallacy, as it claims to know the supernatural doesn't exist. It would be required to be all-knowing to know that (which is ironic, as being all-knowing is a supernatural trait, making it self-refuting) 2. Naturalism is self-refuting: Naturalism (aka Physicalism) is the view that physical reality is all there is (that there is nothing beyond the physical world) & that science and reason are the only sources of knowledge. It is impossible to prove that physical reality is all there is with science and reason. But that is what Naturalism affirms with a positive claim that there is definitely nothing beyond the physical world. Yet, it's impossible to prove so Naturalism can only be accepted by faith. But the problem is: Naturalism forbids taking anything by faith. If Naturalism needs outside assistance with fully understanding its own foundations, which it does by requiring faith, then Naturalism is evidently incomplete and false. So, in order to be a Naturalist you have to deny the foundations of Naturalism (namely that science and reason are the only sources of knowledge) and appeal to faith as a source of knowledge in order to believe it in the first place. In other words, you have to first acknowledge Naturalism is incomplete & false in order to believe it. So it's inherently self-refuting. 3. Another way to show Naturalism is false: We know the universe began to exist with 100% certainty due to philosophical arguments proving mathematically that there cannot be an infinite series of past events, otherwise we could not measure to today (as that requires a finite starting point for a beginning of the universe). From there, it can be logically deduced the cause for the necessary beginning of the universe must be supernatural, which proves Naturalism false too. Here's why: “Nature” and “The universe” are synonyms. Nature did not begin to exist until this cause caused it to. Therefore, a natural cause (a cause coming, by definition, from nature) cannot be responsible for the origin of nature. To say otherwise would be to spout incoherence. You’d basically be saying “Nature caused nature to come into being.” 4. Another way to show Naturalism is self-refuting and false: Naturalism (aka physicalism) is self-refuting for many reasons, but mainly because it denies the possibility of rationality. The activity of rational thought requires an agent view of the self which, in turn, involves four theses: 1- I must be able to deliberate, to reflect about what I am going to do… 2- I must have free will; that is, given choices a and b, I can genuinely do both. If I do a, I could have done otherwise… 3- I am an agent. My acts are self-caused… 4- Free will is incompatible with physical determinism. They cannot both be true at the same time.” If one is to be rational, one must be free to choose his beliefs based on reasons. If Naturalism (the belief that all that exists is the physical universe) is true, then physical determinism logically follows. If physical determinism is true, then it follows that all things (including our thoughts and beliefs) are determined and causally settled by the laws of chemistry and physics coupled with the boundary conditions of earlier states. This view that nature is all that exists removes any possibility for human libertarian free will. Therefore, it is self-refuting to argue "one ought to choose naturalism because he should see that the evidence is good for naturalism.” In fact, on the view of naturalism, there are no “oughts!” On naturalism, there are only “physical states in the brain.” Physical states simply are; therefore, one cannot derive how one ought to behave or think if a person’s actions are determined by the structure of their physical brain. Only if humanity has an aspect of our existence that is non-physical or immaterial can we be held responsible for making any decision, including those with any moral or rational properties. There are many more ways to show Naturalism is self-refuting and false beyond what I've described briefly here.

[@brunorhagalcus6132]

@@lightbeforethetunnel Christianity is the subject of this video. Viola…religion defined for the purposes of my argument. Idc that I didn’t state Christianity. It and its methodology is implicit from my pov. I won’t entertain any more arguments for this. As for your faith/religious methodology equivocation/common-denominator, test it when it counts. Hold a couple of bare wires in the + and - of a receptacle w/ faith electromagnetism is false or God will protect you from the demons that will shoot into you. The reason I wouldn’t supports empirical methodology and demonstrability as it relates to strength-of-belief. The reason you wouldn’t contradicts supernatural methodology. Btw, present 1 argument at a time. You have too much info here to respond to.

[@iwaswithyourmom9410]

"Reading the bible led me to atheism" - same here... If today, all religious people instantly died, I bet there would not be that many, if any religious people on Earth, even 2K years from now.

[@Elimar11]

well of course there wouldn't be any religious people if all of them died?!?!?!

[@Encephalitisify]

what I took away: Science is hard, believe in religion instead.

[@PrometheusLoire]

That about sums it up. :(

[@TheDegs69]

Idiots.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

TheDegs69 What are you referring to and why?

[@TheDegs69]

Eddie Becker Encephalitisify and those who agreed with him. He is basically saying "things are too hard to figure out, so just say 'God did it' instead." The sign of an imbecile.

[@PrometheusLoire]

You misunderstand. We all agree that the poor bald guy in the video was suffering badly from multiple maladies. As a result of his condition, icky goddidit spewed from his mouth and his vision hazed from the fever of circular argumentis. Luckily, the other guy in the vid was inoculated with the reason vaccine, and was thus uninfected. Loosen up bro. ^_~

[@Majilikin]

The fact that 3 people who appear to be 17+ are arguing and insulting a kid (I think) who is what 15? 16? Is both cowardly and pathetic. And your not letting him even get a word in half the time.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

sukablianah2 There are better ways to say what you said.

[@charliestephenson8063]

well isn't that profe that he is just saying what he has been told rather than something he has worked out. he may be young but isn't that the best time in your lives to be exposed to different ideas so that you can come up with your own conclusion rather than something you parents have told him

[@marywabisa]

It is better to teach someone the problems of christianity when they are old enough to understand but not old (and stupid) enough to give up logic in favour of the fairy tale

[@charliestephenson8063]

First of all its not christians i have a problem about in particular, its religion. and really I don't have a problem in people having a faith, we all have to be leave in somthings that at this moment in time are unappreciable or even we may not know. But a religion tell's people what to believe, and cut's of any true free thort or questioning of the world.

[@Majilikin]

No, that's not true. Religion, CAN do that, but only if your an "extremist". The majority of religious people are perfectly normal people, who have a healthy knowledge of science and maths. In the case of Christianity, I (and many others), believe the bible first and foremost to be a rule book. Second, it was a record of Jesus and others lives. However, I don not let that interfere with my academic and scientific paths.

[@FiryPhnx]

That poor Christian kid is too young to be having this debate. He barely knows his ass from his elbow. You might be right, but pick on someone your own size, guys.

[@FiryPhnx]

n8lay Were we watching the same KZbin video?

[@ijreilly01]

I'm an atheist too. I do sort of agree with you. If they had challenged me when I was his age I probably would have tried making similar arguments just because I didn't know any better. He was definitely outmatched. He just didn't know it. I understand what they were doing too. They were trying to plant the seed, but they might have come off a little too harsh. Give the kid a break, he's clearly been taught by hardcore theists his whole short life.

[@FiryPhnx]

***** I completely agree. I don't mean to be disparaging when I point out that he is ignorant. I was just as steeped in theism at his age and was just as ignorant.

[@adparker314]

Unfortunately that is why some Christian groups "train" children to proselytize and join in protests etc.: they are less likely to be challenged, and if challenged; less forcibly, and thus their message is more likely to be spread without competition.

[@FiryPhnx]

adparker314 That is a fascinating perspective to me. It sounds so deliberate, methodical, and machinating the way you describe it. I was raised in a fundamental Christian culture, and I found it much less sinister than all of that. I think that, by and large, people just want to raise their children to have their own values, not plot to use children to evangelize the world without push back. Still, I can only speak to my own experiences. Maybe you have had different experiences that inform your view. I'm interested to hear more if you do.

[@tslaza]

the guy in the blue jacket at 6:38 was hilarious when he responded to the preacher guys remark "in a world without god" he chimes in and says "you mean this world"....lol that was awesome...great response dude.

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

So basically the Christian guy defeated himself and the funny thing is that he thinks he won the argument! If logic is merely a concept and not physical, then I guess God is too...lol.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

How do you think the Christian defeated himself? By using circularity? ALL worldviews use circular reasoning when appealing to their ultimate authority. Atheists attempt to justify the laws of logic by appealing to the laws of logic. Atheists attempt to justify the uniformity of nature (that the future will be like the past) by appealing to the uniformity of nature. Etc, etc. The difference is: the Atheist worldview cannot justify ANY knowledge claims. The Christian worldview can justify knowledge claims.

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

@@lightbeforethetunnel You liked your own comment? Nice. Atheism isn't a worldview, it is simply an answer to the question of whether or not they believe in deities. Atheism doesn't try to answer knowledge claims, we simply reject your. Also, please explain how Christian knowledge claims are justified.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE "Atheism isn't a worldview" is perhaps the lowest IQ thing Atheists say. So this isn't even worth the time. There is no such thing as a debate where one side has nothing to defend. Debates are SPECIFICALLY about conflicting knowledge claims about objective reality, not subjective psychological states like "I lack belief" or "I'm not convinced of your position" If you are not defending a knowledge claim, you can not debate. You guys DO debate, by disputing the 100+ arguments for Theism on offense... but then equivocate to Agnosticism on defense (while calling it Atheism, by using the wrong-for-the-context "psychological state" definition of just a lack of belief, which cannot be used as a position in a debate because psychological states are not truth claims) to avoid defending the position you JUST HELD moments earlier. That is objectively an equivocation fallacy, and it's not coherent. It's an invalid argument.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE All of Academia provides two distinct definitions for the word Atheism 1. "Psychological state" definition: A lack of belief in God (this cannot be used as a position in a debate, as psychological states like being happy or sad are not truth claims about objective reality. You just subjectively experience them, and they cannot be debated with another person) 2. Philosophical position of Atheism: The proposition God does not exist. (This CAN be used as a position in a debate, as it's a truth claim about objective reality). Here's the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy quote (keep in mind, they are the top source / the standard): "The word “atheism” is polysemous-it has multiple related meanings. In the psychological sense of the word, atheism is a psychological state, specifically the state of being an atheist, where an atheist is defined as someone who is not a theist and a theist is defined as someone who believes that God exists (or that there are gods). This generates the following definition: atheism is the psychological state of lacking the belief that God exists. In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, to the proposition that there are no gods). Thus, to be an atheist on this definition, it does not suffice to suspend judgment on whether there is a God, even though that implies a lack of theistic belief. Instead, one must deny that God exists. This metaphysical sense of the word is preferred over other senses, including the psychological sense, not just by theistic philosophers, but by many (though not all) atheists in philosophy as well. For example, Robin Le Poidevin writes, “An atheist is one who denies the existence of a personal, transcendent creator of the universe, rather than one who simply lives his life without reference to such a being” (1996: xvii). J. L. Schellenberg says that “in philosophy, the atheist is not just someone who doesn’t accept theism, but more strongly someone who opposes it.” In other words, it is “the denial of theism, the claim that there is no God” (2019: 5).”

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE So when you guys try using the "lack of belief" definition or "I'm just not convinced of Theism" definition during debates to avoid your burden of proof to defend the position required to dispute the 100+ arguments for Theism, you ARE objectively commiting equivocation fallacies every single time, over and over and over. There are three choices for a philosophical position on God 1. Theism - God exists 2. Atheism - God doesn't exist 3. Agnosticism - I don't know You have to pick one and remain consistent with it. Any definitions that are about your subjective psychological state like "lacking belief" or "not being convinced of Theism" are not debate positions. You're just describing your psychological state, something that only you experience personally, like being happy or sad, and this is not even something that CAN be debated because it says nothing about objective reality outside of your subjective experience

[@eveb5713]

I don't think he will ever realize how ridiculous he sounded either. He's too blinded by his faith. He has to twist everything to make it fit with his religion.

[@BritKidVlogs]

the atheist in red has to be the best at putting forward the atheist argument and was just blunt and honest, not offensive. so stop crying and just accept that he makes more sense that the Christians and that the only way the Christians can disprove him is by saying he believes in a "concept" but as he clearly explained we believe fact and what makes LOGICAL SENSE.

[@augustinedunawd9286]

as the christian said in the video, he had no coherent justification for his senses or how he can know things. the athiest made countless claims which he cannot even prove on his own grounds.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

He doesn't make more sense than the Christian, though. You're just failing to recognize the logical fallacies in the Atheist's arguments.

[@StepMochi]

gotta love how well these young people uses logic/intelligence to argue.

[@dove8oy61]

If both parties really used "Logic" like they were claiming to, they would understand that nothing profited them to continue arguing.

[@jaycoat]

+Dove 8oy Good point.

[@dove8oy61]

+Alec ASD Very true. I just think this particular debate spurred more confusion than anything else.

[@ElietGames]

+Dove 8oy But debating/arguing is fun, atleast that's why I love joining debates (religious included).

[@dove8oy61]

+ElietGames I understand. Some debates can prove to edify.

[@EverythingPossible14]

well if we all used "logic" nothing we do would profit cus in the end were all gonna die anyway so why does it matter?

[@fuzzywuzzy1355]

When it comes to logic vs faith there is NO debate. Logic will trump religious faith everytime.

[@ocho552]

Your a fool

[@fuzzywuzzy1355]

Elo Cruz Who's a fool? The person using logic and reason or the person who can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're"?

[@DiveBum18]

Elo Cruz it's pretty ironic that you called him a fool while spelling "your" wrong

[@justsaying4488]

Kid with the glasses trying to show his intellect to a younger kid. Usually what atheist do

[@TheChaosWithin]

they don't try... they just are. can't hate on people for just being more intellectual than you are.

[@justsaying4488]

You're defiantly not one of them and either is the pseudo intellectual atheist in the glasses.

[@TheChaosWithin]

Patrick Bateman It's not a competition, however you just showed how immature you are.

[@justsaying4488]

Just followed your lead Balto

[@TheChaosWithin]

Patrick Bateman And I claimed I was intellectual? Nope, I don't need to prove that to anyone... as it is not important or a competition to me. I just wonder why people like you dispise on intellectual people. You feel inferior? That's not their problem. Just think and be smart yourself instead of hating on those people.

[@MictheEagle]

"If I had a morality that depended on supernatural intervention for me to feel better about things in my life, I would consider myself an immoral person." ......If I were on the receiving end being the religious dude on the other side, it would have been a knockout.

[@fittzie]

These guys were far to aggressive. Though they were completely correct in everything they said.

[@JonathanRodriguez-lw7tu]

The atheists? Hahahaha no. Not true.

[@fittzie]

Jonathan Rodriguez Are you kidding? The kid obviously has just been indoctrinated into Christianity so theres no reason to go at him as they do. They could just as easily just calmly questioned his beliefs, pointed out the flaws in his holy book (which he obviously doesn't read) and that alone would have been enough to shake his faith. Attacking the kid like argument hungry sharks is a no no

[@JonathanRodriguez-lw7tu]

No, I meant that they weren't correct in everything they said. Sorry for the vagueness of my phrase. I myself am a Catholic. What I mainly don't like about the atheist in glasses is the fact that he's very denial. I don't care if you believe in God or not. That's ultimately your choice and not for me to judge. He's just denying and sort of offending the Christian man and the words he's saying.

[@fittzie]

Jonathan Rodriguez Oh, I understand were you coming from. What exactly did you find wrong with their statements? The men were both at an Atheist grouping, preaching Gospels, they deserved the confrontation and I'm sure they were completely aware of the confrontation that would follow. What is he Denying? Offense is unavoidable in these circumstance the only problem comes if this offense is the product of attack the man and not his beliefs.

[@JonathanRodriguez-lw7tu]

***** Adam's denying the words that Dustin is saying to him. He's denying the fact that sensing your senses are right is a logical fallacy. When Dustin said something about the basic beliefs of atheists are fallacies because they can't be testified Adam continued to say it's not. He's denying the materialistic concept of 1. Now, one of the main false statements of Adam is when he said that his senses require no logical process. The other false statement is when Adam said logic does not exist.

[@darkloki1]

Grown adults that believe in Bronze Age Mythology is just pathetic, but to teach that garbage to young kids is just sad and depressing. Hopefully this kid will try to get himself and education and learn what what these other religious kooks didn't learn.

[@Gayestskijumpever]

Hopefully the whole world will realise this one day but somehow I feel ignorance will reign supreme for a long time, if only everyone could just take the basic moral guidance of "treat others how you would like to be treated" & "all men(and women) are created equal" then this world wouldn't be so unjust. It seems that world leaders all profess to be religious but they don't follow the most basic fundamental teachings

[@truth2748]

Every single time an atheist engages a believer in intellectual stimulating discourse, he crushes the believer miserably. Is there any one out there that can make a logical argument for God? Its just not fair.

[@CumbriaPreaching]

I can.....where do laws of logic come from.

[@PaganDruid30]

Dale Mcalpine fail

[@CumbriaPreaching]

PaganDruid30 Is that your best attempt at explaining where the universal laws of logic come from ?

[@PaganDruid30]

Dale Mcalpine No dale, i mean it is a question for which their are answers based on facts which you can read for yourself if your actually interested in pursuing the truth....do your own homework and stop being buthurt

[@CumbriaPreaching]

PaganDruid30 I'm all ears (and eyes) ~ Where do the abstract, universal, unchanging laws of logic come from if not from an all powerful, unchanging, omnipresent God ?

[@Warriorpend2]

"There's a mathematical process called logic." ...wait, what?

[@theul6775]

Exactly, also notice how he believes in Mathematics but still rationalizes that his senses can be used to explain reality - Mathematics utilizes abstract concepts to comprehend our reality, you cannot use your senses to comprehend a lot of mathematical concepts

[@TheSandurz20]

Math is a pretty general apication of logic. Take a logic course, it's pretty eye opening.

[@nemplayer1776]

@@theul6775 "Mathematics utilizes abstract concepts to comprehend our reality" I absolutely agree with you here. I'm not on the side of Faith and I'm not on the side of Logic, I'm on the side of something much bigger happening behind the scenes than we can comprehend as our brain is limited. If I absolutely had to chose between Faith and Logic though, I'd probably choose Logic - it makes more sense to my brain, as the brain itself uses Logic as the basis of thinking.

[@larrystylinson3309]

I'm an atheist, but these guys shouldn't be targeting a child. Target the parents who brainwash their children. The reason the kid believes in God is because that's all he's ever known. Give him proof, not criticism. However, you should criticize the stupid adults who have no logical reasoning skills and decide to think a fairy tale is non fiction.

[@ethanhoey4679]

The child you are mentioning willingly spoke out. It is a debate, he is simply attempting to disprove him.

[@larrystylinson3309]

I'm just saying, what is a grown man doing arguing with a kid? I would try to have a friendly discussion, but the guy was literally just flat out rude.

[@larrystylinson3309]

***** oh lol you know what I mean by proof. You cant just refute someone's claims. If you want to properly refute something, you need to have proof as well.

[@larrystylinson3309]

***** OMG KMS, I think you're just trolling me now. Okay, no you can't disprove God's existence because there was never any proof to begin with, whatever. BUT, you can PROVE that there is NO proof to the existence of God.

[@larrystylinson3309]

***** I think that's what I said, but okay.

[@Ethentent]

I was that kid once. I'm happy to have since reasoned my way out of religion.

[@atheistechoes9594]

Good you threw up the kool aid

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

How did you reason your way out of religion when you cannot even justify the existence of the laws of logic in the Atheistic / Materialist worldview?

[@rusokana3642]

@@lightbeforethetunnelbecause you have no evidence to support your fairy tales…

[@broon9961]

I would definitely define myself as a firm atheist but I'm still very impressed with how articulate and how well the two were able to discus the views. No aggression, no cheap shots, very mature. If only people were always able to behave in this manner.... Respect!

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

This is actually how Christian Apologists normally are in real life. Of course they're not going to be represented that way on the extremely biased Atheist YT channels most people watch. They purposefully find the worst people they can to represent Christian Apologists and only show them as much as possible.

[@Haroldbeavis1969]

So the bald guy is all about presuppositional theologics, best (or worst, depending on your perspective) championed by Eric Hoven. It starts by positing that you can't know everything, which is true. And then, if you're not paying attention, it makes the subtle leap to "You can't know anything." That, of course, 100 percent incorrect. One small quibble: He got you to admit you can only know what your senses tell you. Of course, science can show us things that our senses cannot. Although I suppose to be fair, we still need our senses to interpret science, but often in a nonintuitive way.

[@dailyshadow]

Haroldbeavis1969 I think it’s meant at a baseline level. Yes we can use equipment to view other wavelengths of light outside of the spectrum the human eye can see, but we still need to see the data, or hear it or feel it in someway.

[@CAHOP2401]

I consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I don't think three guys ganging up on one young christian is a fair debate.

[@user-uy6uc5ey5q]

I read it differently. First as it says in the in the description, the young man was a student from a Michigan high school class trip to Washington DC, who stumbles into an atheist/agnostic rally. So the student came into the rally, it was his choice to engage in the discussion. He was aware that there would be more atheists in the crowd than theists. Second, the older guys were polite (except for the one in the hat who then promptly apologized after saying F**K ) and engaged in back and forth with the student. It wasn't a formal, set time debate, but they weren't "ganging" up.

[@CAHOP2401]

Dave O Yea, maybe "ganging up" was the wrong term to use. However, in any type of conversation, it's hard for one person to address multiple people. I know I hate it when three people are trying to talk to me at once and I try to address all the issues and points thrown at me. The one on one talks are a lot easier to follow and understand.

[@user-uy6uc5ey5q]

Agreed. But the kid knew this when he walked into and started the conservation and I think for the situation it was pretty reasonable. I also grew up in large extended Irish family, so any discussion which doesn't include a bruise or cut is considered civil.

[@user-uy6uc5ey5q]

He didn't stumble into a debate. He had to walk into the group and engage them in conservation. That is not an accidental action.

[@davids11131113]

***** Are you familiar with anything but jibberish from old religious texts full of falsehoods?

[@DordtyHylemorph]

God bless this young man for not backing down, but remaining respectful

[@lethalk8427]

If you destroyed the Bible and the believers, and you destroyed Science books. in 1000 years, science would come back and religion would come back totaly different 😆

[@melvinhernandez5021]

That does not make any sense, this is why. Christianity and its believers right now in this timeline believe in so many different things. For example, some want to believe that Everyone is saved no matter what, so even if they dont devote their lives to christ and die a sinner they will still go to heaven. Others believe that The mother of Jesus Christ Mary is some type of God and has power. Like christianity is twisted to so many levels already. If you were to burn and kill all the believers the same cycle would happen again. You would get man and women chosen by God to bring the gospel to the people of the world preaching that through Jesus Christ who died for our sins thousands of years ago we have the entirity of our lifes to devote our hearts to Jesus believing his died for us and resurected on the 3 day.

[@melvinhernandez5021]

Also if science comes back the same it does not mean it is true. For instance, if a fellow student is solving a math problem, and he then gets the same answer time and time again. Does that mean he is right?

[@librastarsign123]

@@melvinhernandez5021 "...chosen by God to bring the gospel to the people of the world preaching that through Jesus Christ who died for our sins...", well this is implying you are making a strong assumption/hopeful prediction that jesus does exist which is not found anywhere else apart from the supposedly going-to-be-destroyed bibles and other historical records of christianity... (also, the same can be said about buddhist scriptures, hindu. muslim, and any other religions based texts and records...) If all records of jesus, moses, buddha, hindu gods, allah, etc were to be completely destroyed, you have nothing to prove if any of the different texts of the various religions would return/

[@librastarsign123]

@@melvinhernandez5021 "...if a fellow student is solving a math problem, and he then gets the same answer time and time again.", you are isolating an individual who is making the same mistake time and again, as the only potential occurrence and disregarding the many other more intelligent or informed individuals who would arrive at the same correct answer unanimously. 5 + 5 is always 10. A force of gravity is always a force gravity. An apple doesn't fall down from the tree because a deity plucks and drops it on the ground. Force = mass x acceleration a thousand years ago, is still F = m.a a thousand years later. Science and mathematical experiments and detailed observations are concrete evidence, whereas there is no such thing for religions.

[@melvinhernandez5021]

librastarsign123 Jesus actually is not only talked in the bible he is one of the most documented people in history. the romans were one if the best historians and they also have Jesus in many accounts, which implies that you would also have to get rid of normal historical facts as well. That would not play well with the argument of getting rid of the bible, then you have to get rid of other things too.

[@andrewwheeldon3957]

Why do you believe in your particular brand of super friend (god) rather than all of the others: Buddha, Allah, Jupiter, Ra, Poseidon, Apollo, Aphrodite, Juno etc etc.... All gods are a fiction to provide a safety net because man is afraid of dying. 'Oh believe in me and you will not die, you will live forever in my (impossibly large) house, all you have to do is......... What if you have chosen the wrong god? What happens upon your death then? Why do people still believe in this arcane tripe?

[@i7pb586]

Buddha wasn't a god. The rest is 100% accurate.

[@TomLeedsTheAtheist]

I feel sorry for the kid in red, he is getting hammered and he is completely unprepared. he has a few tid bits of non evidence, of someone else who decided there was a god. But perhaps he will benefit from the encounter but more likely he will go back to his cult, I mean church and have the nonsense hammered back into him. Now the guy in the blue jacket is well prepared, he has his speech down pat - You can't prove gods not real so therefor god is real.

[@adrisan2006]

The argument here is not that we can't prove God is real, Because He has been real for eternity before you and your brain were created, Where were you when He formed the foundations of the earth? He has answers for everything, and your trying to find answers for things that you cant. like who created the heaven and the earth, you dont know for sure. because everything would be based on theories that man made. Now i understand that my being has limits, I have a beginning and and End. He has no beginning and no end. thats why is so diffucult to grasp him. He doesnt need to show you who he is, if you want to find Him he is there to those who seek Him. if you dont then perfectly find but know that every knee shall bow before His Holy presence. Im not talking about false gods. Im talking about Him who sent His son to make your sins His. because you need salvation though Jesus Christ. everything that we do is good to our own eyes. The most High one judges is His own eyes. But you believe what you would like to belief. just know that with out Christ there is eternal death. You know your anxieties and you know your own heart let Jesus Christ make all your pain His. He took it all on the cross just accept Him and let the Holy Spirit dwelt In your heart. Be thankful you live in a country were you an hear the truth and your are blessed beyond understanding! Give thanks to Him the Holy One. Dont give praise to your self because you dont deserve it.

[@TomLeedsTheAtheist]

adrian sanchez So what your saying is that your god created us in it's image without the capacity to perceive it? So your god is just a big tease is what your saying. Or just a huge tormentor by fucking with us and leaving us to guess what it really wants. So is Jesus like the key stone? You need jesus to decipher what god wants? So god is just fucking with us, Fuck god, I don't need that hassle. Tell you god to grow some ball and grow up, that silly nonsense is below an omnipotent being. UNLESS of course god is Q! Meh, still not worth my time.

[@Ariez___]

Adrian Sanchez you can't be serious can you lol ... LMAO

[@mollymckenney8894]

what about the kids who grew up atheist? are you saying that because we, as Christians, believe something different, its brainwash, but because you teach your kid what you believe and that there is "no god" its not brainwash and its correct?

[@TomLeedsTheAtheist]

Molly McKenney I was brought up to believe there was a god, but I never really did and this is still a point of contention with my step mother,it pisses her off to no end that I am an outspoken atheist. And personally I think it's a bad idea to raise children insisting there is no god, it can only lead to confession as to why so many people believe there is a god. I was actually confused as a teenager to find my family believed there was an actual god, I had let go of that idea the same time as believing Santa was real. Children should be brought up with the knowledge that the idea of god is real and there are a lot of different ideas on what that god is. Because you see Molly, brain washing is restricting what someone is allowed to think, religion forces you to believe there is a god by making doubt a sin against god. You can see it everywhere in christian upbringing "Believe what you believe and Doubt what you doubt - if you start to doubt god then that is the devil working on you." I say tell the kids about god, tell them everything, show then every religion and ever aspect of god BECAUSE it isn't brain washing to force them to think for themselves. And what I say about christians is not that you think something different, you are told to believe something without questioning it, you are told NOT to think.

[@poidial]

Beginners Guide to Christianity, Step 1: Convince yourself that a humanoid floating around in eternal nothingness created everything. He then waited 4.6 billion years then chose his favorite planet where he made a man out of dirt and a women from his rib (as he used up all the "nothing" while creating the rest of the universe). They fucked and made two sons, one killed his brother then fucked his mum and that's where humanity came from. Step 2: Believe with all your conviction that a talking snake tricked the Rib Women into eating magic fruit which put a curse on her and subsequently all of her inbred offspring (aka all of humanity) Step 3: Comprehend how the magical space-man fucked his mum in order to create himself to visit his favorite planet in order to lift the curse by sacrificing himself to himself in order to make peace with his poor positioning of the magic tree. Step 4: When you die, your floating avatar will be sucked into a hierarchical community in our atmosphere where you will be an eternal servant to an immoral blood-lusting tyrant.

[@leonscott543]

That annoying moment when a kid loses his faith in the Bible because he didn't read it thoroughly enough. A mature Bible understand Christian understands that God doesn't support slavery, this is especially apparent in the story of Exodus and when Jesus literally says "Don't submit to slavery!"

[@leonscott543]

I mean for goodness sake we have a book in the Bible (Exudus) that is about leaving slavery. PLUS, if the Bible supported slavery, African American slaves wouldn't have been singing "Let my people go" as they were crossing the rivers in the night towards the north. IT is only those that DONT LIKE GOD, that find a reason to NOT LIKE GOD in the Bible, even if its simply not true

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

leon scott Leon, you are correct, Exodus, described the hebrews escape from slavery. However, slavery references in the rest of the old testament prescribes laws as to how people enslaved should be treated. Hebrews treated hebrew slaves slightly better and quite brutally if a non-hebrew. The new testament does nothing to liberate people from slavery, rather it instruct slaves to obey their masters like their god. Not surprising that "modern slavery" as practiced by the Dutch, Spanish, English, Portuguese, and French had a history of slavery and used the bible to justify it. And though you could not call the United States a Christian country, the justification for slavery was based in part on biblical teachings.

[@AnHonestApe]

leon scott Yeah, he tells HIS chosen people to rise of from slavery (which we have no proof of by the way except for el bible) for the rest he gives codes of conduct, even for Jews as long as it's BY Jews. He explicitly condones slavery. Jesus uses slavery as an allegory for morality and tells slaves to obey their masters. This has also been repeated several times throughout the bible. African Slaves would never have adopted Christianity if it was that bad? What you mean like how black people would never be Mormon? There are plenty of black Mormons though the writings of Joseph Smith calls them lesser products of demonic spirits. Peoples have adopted the ridiculous ideologies of their captors for as long as slavery and hostile takeovers have been around. It's nothing new. It's also less surprising when you consider that the wives of master began to teaching African CHILDREN how to read, while systematically killing their former tribal religions. And guess what book was commonly used to teach these children. The bible. African slaves where systematically indoctrinated though they used what had been forced fed to them to carry on through oppression and freedom, Christianity at BEST, solved the problem it created. White men used it to justify slavery and put themselves above as an ordained race for centuries going back even to England. Give it up man. Christianity is a religion of oppression and it should be even more obvious to someone a part of a group that has habitually been the subject of this oppression. Religion is just another chain. 5tonyvvvv Not true. Abiogenesis has a little evidence, but not enough to make any conclusive statements. This is of course different from evolution which outlines the accumulation of information over time through mutation in the species. RNA gets replicated by intelligent chemists in a lab trying to recreate the former conditions of earth. What would you have them do? Just look in the air for life to pop up? Would you expect a chemist to look in the air and wait for a radioactive half-life to happen? Would you have a biologist look for a really rare amoeboid organism in his living room? Only in a lab can we accurately recreate the former, very different conditions under which life formed.

[@tsjasmine28]

Leviticus 25:44-46 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly

[@nicksum29]

Yes, but he also says "By all means commit genocide." I think I'd leave the Bible alone when it comes to proving the existence of a loving God.

[@anicetune]

Atheist: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 "that's how we get to 5" Christian: 1, 2, 10, 8, 3, €, 4, 7, 6, 5 "that's how we get to 5" Kids: woah... the Christian sounds impressive.

[@rungavagairun]

5:45 How is the Christian made aware of the validity of his senses (apparently communicated to him from Yahweh) without apprehending them through his senses?

[@metroclus]

The guy in the glasses worldview fell completely on its face. Christ is king

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

What do you think the worldview is of the guy with the glasses and why did it fail in your eyes?

[@metroclus]

Eddie Becker His worldview is he rejects Jesus Christ whom is absolute truth

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

metroclus So what will happen to the guy in the glasses for his rejection of your god?

[@metroclus]

Eddie Becker First of all, it is irrelevant whether I call Jesus Christ my God or not. He is Lord whether I affirm it or not because truth is independent of opinion. I thank Christ for revealing himself to me- the truth. Number 2, the word of God is clear, those who reject Christ will perish in hell apart from God for eternity- Revelations 20:15. The guy in the glasses will perish in hell unless he repents and believes the gospel. That goes for you too.

[@TheBastius]

metroclus you three times in a row refuted your own system right in front of your face: 1. you said _"because truth is independent of opinion"_...that's correct, but that doesn't apply to your system, because if this were the fact, then there were no other religion proclaiming their nonsense to be the absolute truth as well in the same way you do it with your superstition. I mean, "2+2=4" is true independent of an opinion...nobody doubts it. Math 1 : 0 Christianity 2. you only follow your made up "God" and think he would exist, because of what allegedly happens, if you don't follow your imaginary friend. Something must be fundamentally wrong with your system/"God", if it/he has problems with peole switching on their brain. Obviously, it/he hides sth. from you. 3. your system defends its "truth" based on "Do as i say or i'll kill you", which crystal clear exposes your "truth" to be nothing but a blatant lie. If i would defend the reality of evolution that pathetically, it would expose its weakness and everbody would immediately call it a lie. What your system says, is in no way different. For sure, people need to repent...but only from taking your superstition seriously.

[@Jankesaurous]

The religious guy got destoyed!! Glasses guy got the bald guy to finally agree on "The only way we know things is through our senses and our reason" LOL

[@bungalobill7941]

The only way you can know God is through God allowing it. God isn't standing out there with his hat in his had hoping someone will be his friend. God's mercy is the only thing that counts.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Bungalo Bill What will happen to people who don't allow themselves to know your god?

[@bungalobill7941]

Eddie Becker Aren't allowed. Many are called but few are chosen, and many more are never called in the first place.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Bungalo Bill What do you mean >? And how do you get the call?

[@bungalobill7941]

Eddie Becker Gods decision to call, made through his own sovereign will, for his own purposes. Many are never called. many others are called, and few that are called are chosen. The chosen are the ones who refuse to not have obedience in faith to Christ........ See why they are the few??

[@theturtle9724]

“The Bible’s right because the Bible says it’s right”

[@joakimkarlsson2705]

i actually feel sorry for christians ... what a booring life going to church prayer and not have sex untill they are married if they ever get married? haha ... and when they die.... they will think for themselfs , why did i waste so much time prayer to something i did not even knew for sure existed?

[@nicholaslance7947]

Ahh, but you are making a mistake in your reasoning, see Christians can have sex before they are married, it is bad, but God will forgive them. They also don't have regrets on death, because they KNOW God is real, regardless of any observable evidence undermining such a belief.

[@mq4702]

Very sad! These guys are horrible! They're picking on a kid who really does not know how to defend his faith. I'm a minister and would love to speak to these men.

[@mmmagus1]

They would've torn you a new one as well. LOL

[@mq4702]

I don't think so. I am no stranger to dealing with these people.

[@mmmagus1]

You can't beat air-tight logic. You would've ended up the same as all those people who debate Dawkins and Hitchens. All you would do is deflect with your answers and say things like "it's open for interpretation".

[@mq4702]

Well I can say I haven't yet. And I don't pretend to know it all. I can admit that. But neither do Dawkins and Hitchens.

[@mmmagus1]

True, but they base their views on how we got here on science. Science is about what you can prove. Religion isn't. It's just faith.

[@ronburgandy5006]

Seems like a nice young man, I feel sorry for him. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.

[@swordsblueyt4940]

Being with God doesnt mean you will be in majority.

[@KeithFarrell1993]

I am an atheist but it pisses me off how they always try to look smart and put people down... if they aren't doing anything bad then let people believe what they want to believe

[@SuperGreenscout]

yeah, and let the religious people shove their religion down the throats of their children before they are old enough to think for themselves. It would be very interesting to take a bunch of non-affected15 year olds, tell them gods explanation on the universe and the tell them the scientific explanation on the universe. And then see what they chose to believe, theories based on actual evidence or theories based on scriptures from thousands of years ago

[@zombiekillerthe3rd]

TheGiorgosrx7 so just really go in for the kill?? I really like you.....

[@richardfrascone1577]

Keith Sweetheart, if the "simple-folk" believe 2+2 = 5 should we allow them continue to believe that?

[@shanwarrior]

but I can show you that you have 11 fingers, count to five on one hand counting each finger , Now you know there are five fingers on one hand= 5 then count backwards on the other hand = 10,9,8,7,6, add 5+6=11, Now I know that God created man with 5 fingers on each hand, but math and logic tell me I have 6 fingers? Now no one is shoving religion in anyone's face for the longest time in the Army I had on my tags no preference. I did not care how I died or how I was buried, my Grandfather was a Atheist and taught us we are just animals that arrived to this point through and evolutionary process. So the thought of killing my countries enemy did not bother me one bit. It wasn't till I knew men and women who died for our country that I understood sacrifice, and the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus died on the cross for all of us. It is not in the interest of self preservation of a species that rise to the top of the evolutionary chain to die for others they do not know.

[@SuperGreenscout]

Shane Kidwell math and logic tells you that you have 11 fingers? How? I count to five on one hand = five fingers I count down from ten on the other hand, ten(1) nine(2) eight(3) seven(4) six(5). 5+5 = 10. The six does'nt stand for six fingers, it stands for your sixth finger

[@GoldenArtsOnline]

The bald guy is quite intelligent.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

What do you think was his best argument?

[@H4voCz0r]

He really didn't have a better argument. He is just a bit of a more carismatic speaker but his points were full of falacies themselves.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

H4voC What then do you think were Dustins' (the street preacher lacking hair) fallacies?

[@xHasten]

Eddie Becker His explanation of how he justifies the senses is borderline, if not fully, begging the question. Claiming that a god is necessary to justify the senses is completely unfalsifiable, why? Because we still have to rely on our senses to investigate that claim. His bald assertion also flies completely in the face of occam's razor. The senses are not simply "sensed" to be reliable, they are independently verifiable. I can examine a jar, comprehend that it's a jar, and I can hand it to my neighbor for them to come to the same conclusion. He's also a complete cock at the end there harping on about 'you said logic does not exist!' when he already qualified that it doesn't physically exist. You're just reaching at that point. None of his claims have been demonstrated to be *remotely* true. Either because they can't or it's an argument from ignorance.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

xHasten You originally said that the > did you think that then and then changed your mind?

[@MrJAich1]

young man in a shark tank.

[@blazer7811]

T'was pretty silly that he'd stand up for something that he wasn't well versed in.

[@grizzlybear5321]

blazer7811 And then when someone who was chimed in, he was all about saying "exactly, exactly, exactly" as if to reinforce Segers' position.

[@braveapollo5872]

blazer7811 "T'was pretty silly that he'd stand up for something that he wasn't well versed in." You just described 90% of Christians.

[@MrJAich1]

To be well versed in a subject is to spend time and effort reading, researching, and testing that subject. Unfortunately we want to choose a side we agree with based on something other than our own personal beliefs. I believe we must start with what we are exposed to, then read, research and test that position. This process takes time. Something most youth have not had the opportunity to do on either side of this debate. 100% of people who do not substantialize their beliefs with study cannot defend them.

[@MrJAich1]

blazer7811 Have you listened to any of the classes of John Mackay? Look up "The search for the Origiin of Life John Mackay" I have gained a certain amount of respect for Mr. Mackay and though it is an old school lecture style class, probably from the late 80's early 90's, I came away with a great deal of information in the life sciences of which I had no prior knowlege, as well as the information that puts the theory of evolution in the context from which the theory was derived. Let me know what you think.

[@voiceovernoob]

It's funny because the Christian talks about logical fallacies while he follows a religion that is entirely based on them.

[@dre66roc]

I dont believe in god BUT, I dont like how those two men were ganging up on that child

[@vicgogan3337]

Andre ; Ever think God does not love you unless you love him? PSALMS 📖 50 VS 22...AS OPPOSED TO DEUTERONOMY 📖 4 VS 29 THRU 31......1 CORINTHIANS 📖 2 VS 9... Ever read the gospel 📖? Do that and see the TRUTH...ASK YOUR 📱 OR 💻 FOR THESE GOSPEL SCRIPTURES...

[@mircowavedmilkmilkyway4851]

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

[@thecomeup5927]

may God bless you for sayin that

[@Jacore1000]

Jonathan Williams dilemma: Does a person know everything? If a person knows everything, why are there problems in the world for everything? If they are problems in the world for everything, then a person does not know everything. If a person does not know everything, how can a person say there is no God for everything? If a person said “there is no proof that no God exist for everything”, then does that person really know everything since he needs proof of something? If a person really does not know everything, how can one trust a theory made by a person about everything? If a person does know everything, can’t that person stop people from believing in something? If a person can’t stop people from believing in something, how can a person say they know everything? If a person does not know everything, why should a person ask another person for anything? Enjoy, atheist foolishness.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

So the less you know about anything the stronger you believe in your god?

[@Jacore1000]

Eddie Becker No I am saying is, how do you know how the univeres is made if you don't know everything. Or rather, who are you to tell me how the universe is made if you don't know everything there is in reality?

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Jonathan Williams So what you are saying is that, since we don't know everything, that we therefore know nothing - and since we know nothing, than we should believe in god.

[@Jacore1000]

Eddie Becker Right, because he knows everything and we don't know everything. You got it.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Jonathan Williams Who is he?

[@Brokensilence2012]

The little kid was trying to hold his own until the glass broke & STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN stepped in to defend the faith lol

[@jamesmallon1631]

that bald guy is scary. Very scary

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Why?

[@unsignedmusic]

Eddie Becker He's insane

[@qaboosmintaka5337]

He's funny...

[@Alexkearney]

That kid had no ability to defend Christianity because he didnt know much about the Bible. Put me in the ring with those fools and the outcome would be different

[@Alexkearney]

yes really, he looks 12, thats pretty weak on the part of those debating him

[@agentpaste5815]

From the video it is explained that this is a rally. The kid chose to be there.

[@Alexkearney]

Well i would agree only if he actually had firm convictions in the first place. He doesnt know what he's talking about on either side so if he was indoctrinated, it wasn't very effective

[@victheflick9644]

Amen me too. I would love to be in that kids position

[@aubreywilliam9048]

Alex Kearney naw

[@warriorprince4890]

Insulting and shouting at someone is all atheists have. But no debate here.

[@warriorprince4890]

***** Shouting is logic? Only an atheist could think that.

[@warriorprince4890]

***** My point is more accurate, I am afraid.

[@jonathanperks281]

You are stupid

[@kryptonianmessiah2388]

Warrior Prince Sorry you spelled theist wrong.

[@LJxYTV]

jakylime not really

[@wo3563]

Atheist have existed for the longest time, they saw Jesus and still didn’t believe.

[@k1ara981]

periodt

[@ooffed5464]

Debate someone your own age please

[@trudipper8055]

Why?

[@realitycheck1092]

Ooffed he did right after he destroyed the young dude. Did you watch the whole video ?

[@PimpingWolfwood]

7 years later, still proud of the young atheist in red. Dude killed it.

[@joshuaroth9248]

This used to be me 2 years ago in my Highschool freshman year attempting to step by step walk my fellow Christian peers through how to correctly think, and eventually gave up because each time it was a failure and left me more frustrated than before.

[@yonka-cola8792]

Real shit?

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

How do you justify the existence of the laws of logic in your Materialist worldview? They're not material.

[@TheIsaacfenton95]

How is this Christian bullying? It was simply two people debating over a topic, there was no from of bullying involved at all. Just because the Christian won the argument doesn't mean you have to make up excuses, this is one of the reasons why I have no respect for atheists, they can never admit when they're wrong.

[@joeb3530]

I would consider myself a rationalist, not an Atheist. Of course I am open to different theories and ideologies but currently science is the only logical explanation as to our existence. There is no debate until there is solid evidence - and a book supported by folk tales isn't evidence.

[@Zinkx.]

trueword please im at a loss here, logic? reality of god? rational please enlighten. im sorry

[@trueword7662]

Axis SunSoar where shall I start? Gods reality can be argued on many different levels. To explain more, it would help to establish what you actually believe, to assert why you wouldn't believe in God, and then go from there. I'm assuming you have reasons for not believing? So do you believe the universe, all the material, energy etc within it, is eternal or not?

[@Zinkx.]

trueword i don't believe because i have no reason toand i find that if there was a god how come i don't know about him/her that i can physically be shown or told by a higher power? for these are the types of things i use to work out reality or not. So if you could please show me how believing in a god is logical and rational apart from what we a created and chosen what to put in something like, say the "bible". Another thing if there is the all powerful god why does the god not intervene or why is that we should bow to him if he lets such horrible thing happen to good and innocent people? oh do i believe in the universe well yes just look up:)

[@trueword7662]

Axis SunSoar well God, as described in the Bible. is the creator of all things, and makes the bold claim that he WILL make himself known to anyone who sincerely wants to find him. However, it takes an act of will, on the part the seeker, to get their heart and mind right: It means simply saying "God if you really are there, please make yourself known". But the most important part is that it requires truly meaning it and being OPEN to hearing from God, who in response will do the rest. But God is NON material, not a material part of his own creation, like other physical things are. That is why you cant prove him by science, which deals only with the physical. How can the study of the physical reveal the non physical? But even science knows that something more lies beyond our 3 dimensions... Quantum physics has shown maybe 11 or more dimensions exist. Why would it be so surprising if this turns out to be where the spiritual realm exists? But science is also now bringing to light that the physical universe has defined boundaries. Look to the smallest particles, beyond even atoms, an ultimate point is reached that particles don't get any smaller, and where they loose locality. What lies beyond this point is better described not in a physical sense but actually as consciousness. Conscious information underpins the whole universe and accounts for the universal laws that keeps the physical realm in order. Logical reasoning can show that a non material, non spatial, eternal consciousness with creative ability exists, which is what people have always described as God all along anyway... Btw, why do you assume God never intervenes? What would you call miracles? People claim these happen, so why dismiss them? Also, how do you know that God isn't intervening all the time? Its just they go unnoticed because the 'bad' thing that would have happened, no longer does. When you refer to bad things people have done themselves, for God to intervene there would require him taking away their free will and in effect making them a slave to obeying him. Free will is the one thing God has given us to do as we choose, so that we can be free. Much of the evil in this world is down to people choosing to exercise that free will at the expense of others, but that is never Gods fault.

[@xebek]

I appreciate the idea and I would actually agree. However, the truth is that atheism/theism is a true dichotomy. You are either one or the other, there is no middle ground or third option. Of course there are word views consistent with either one or the other, such as rationalism, naturalism, etc. Whatever you wish to consider yourself, you are either an Atheist or a Theist due to the nature of a true dichotomy. Even if your position is "I don't know", you are an Atheist. Theism is the proposition that a god(s) exist(s). Atheism is everything other than that proposition. Of course, neither of those labels need to be your most outward identifier, but you still are one of the other. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

[@truman5838]

I really liked this debate. The atheists were articulate and intelligent.

[@LogosTheos]

The atheists were making logical fallacies left and right and had no understanding of basic epistemology or the fact that mathematics and logic are abstract objects not material objects.

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@LogosTheos No one says they are material objects, you're taking a phrasing that can be interpreted that way without noting that they are descriptive, not prescriptive as to how things work in a consistent fashion

[@LogosTheos]

@@ToHoldNothing Can you point to where that was said in the video? Or do you enjoy making strawmen?

[@LogosTheos]

@@ToHoldNothing I am aware of this. No such distinction was made in the video.

[@ToHoldNothing]

@@LogosTheos You made the claim of a logical fallacy, the onus is on you to cite where they claimed what you assert they did about logic as something substantial, I'm pretty sure both of them never said logic was physical, roughly halfway through the video. What they appear to disagree on is logic's ontology and whether it's prescriptive (theistic) or descriptive (nontheistic)

[@nicktaramusic]

I feel bad for all you non believers .

[@Olivia-le8vx]

"Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly." This kid will agree with an adult because he's older etc. People will agree with anyone if their a little prey, they'll stick around the pack leader etc.

[@y2j1490yahoo]

this is really sad taking the slavery of biblical times totally wrong and totally unfairly ambushing and attacking this kid.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Green Knight What's the difference between biblical slavery and slavery over the years in the United States/New World?

[@y2j1490yahoo]

Eddie Becker google it

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Green Knight My research indicates that there are various types of slavery in both ancient and modern times. All judged equivalent in terms of oppression and dehumanization.

[@y2j1490yahoo]

Eddie Becker wrong, the slaves God refers to is servitude that one chooses in order to pay of debts.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Green Knight I stand corrected, the bible and the Judeo/Christian/Muslim god, not only regulates what we now consider oppressive slavery, but religious adherents were also directed to be a slave to god.

[@reihalondres9518]

Because of boredom Humans created God. simple as that.

[@tiganaz98]

you're real smart aren't you?( sarcasm ) unless your smart mind already got that

[@reihalondres9518]

Oh thank you for that fvcking compliment.

[@coletrickle1775]

Do you have an actual rebuttal to the claim made or are you just here to be an idiot name calling?

[@stec4683]

Your a dumbass

[@coletrickle1775]

+Stephen Crossan Solid. You totally dissected my points and definitely didn't just start name calling rather than attack my position. You argue like an eight year old girl. Have you ever heard of ad hominem? That's you exactly. No substance.

[@franciscoborquezk.155]

This is not a "debate", but a three against one ambush... against a kid. If you really want to have an "epic debate", go one on one with a guy your similar age, and prepared for it.

[@Alow909]

They did..did you even watch the video?

[@franciscoborquezk.155]

RoflcopterGaming yes I did, and when the bald Christian appeared and started counter-aruguing the other guys took a step back, living the guy with glasses confront him. It was a pity, for after a couple of minutes he just stopped even interacting with him. Unfortunately, many atheists are not aware of their own wordlview's assuptions... and I have to add, are not well versed in philosophy, they just believe in "science" (read: empirical/natural sciences), neglecting the existence of the wider, more comprehensive concept of it, and limiting to those.

[@matthewrichardson828]

I used to be a shithead atheist. Now I'm just an open-minded atheist.

[@lordtomosdecree]

You know what I love about? how I'm sure the kid is probably nice, harmless but you have a bunch of older guys trying to crush him, explain to me how this isn't a form of bully? I don't have an issue with people having a faith provided that don't hurt anyone. Yet time and time again atheist try to dis-prove them and be in their face for simply having a belief.

[@nathanwright3217]

The kid consented to it. The older guys weren't trying to crush him, they were reasoning with him, and trying to show him the flaws in the bible. The kid could of left at any time with no repercussions. Don't be an idiot.

[@nathanwright3217]

lordtomosdecree They are calling him ignorant, not idiotic. They are not insulting him, they are debating with him.

[@lordtomosdecree]

Nathan Wright really? the guy says "use your fucking brain" time stamp: 00:49 that's calling him ignorant that's calling him stupid :) do you wish me to continue? the only time they showed respect if at all is the other older guy, they are calling a kid stupid man, that's un-cool

[@nathanwright3217]

lordtomosdecree Use your fucking brain only implies ignorance, not stupidity.

[@lordtomosdecree]

Nathan Wright really? if so the correct wording should be "use your brain" not adding fucking into the mix, thus implying he was making a direct attack. bullying tactic 101 my child.

[@DannyFyffe]

When the video started you have at least 2 "adults" trying to over run a 12-14 year old kid acting as though they are something! Funny thing is, when an actual adult stepped up, the one of the two "adults" ran off and the other was scared absolutely to death. He realized that he was wrong, but could not admit it. Watch him rub his hands over and over. He was scared just as he was scaring the little kid. He is a punk and should have it handed to him as he did!

[@donnyherndon6087]

Go God im so happy this kid stood up for his faith AMEN

[@towelbox121]

The Bible doesn't say slavery is ok

[@Zen-rw2fz]

"you can't disprove god" actually you came up with this theory and you have to prove it.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

Not true. It is impossible to be neutral on the position of God, due to the hypothesis of God being the creator of all things. There are only two options, ontologically; 1. God exists. Or 2. God does not exist. This creates another true dichotomy: 1. You interpret ALL facts as being causally derived from God, or 2. You interpret ALL facts as NOT being causally derived from God Leading to another true dichotomy: 1. You believe all things are derived from a single cause (God), or 2. You believe all things are derived from a plurality of separate causes. Both sides have equal burdens of proof. Both sides are claims. I've never heard an Atheist explain how they know "all things are derived from a plurality of separate causes." They always just evade the question. I've seen Atheists evade it 40+ times in a row while pretending like it's wrong to ask how they know that.

[@firemasterx23]

wtf - this guy and MATH !!

[@ShadowDrake102]

Lol ikr. He's actually slightly incorrect, maths is based of logic, not the other way around.

[@theboywithaflowertattoo]

KNOWLEDGEEEEEEEEE

[@11022013mm]

Science and technology is also another functions of logic

[@mrtadreamer]

Biblical faith is trusting God, and taking Him at His word.

[@UristMcTubedwarf]

But how can we be sure the bible is god's word? the bible says it is, but anyone can write a book about anything and claim it to be in god's word.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Urist McTubedwarf See a Christian who believes that the bible is the word of god cause it's in the bible and then get arrested! kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIfFqqaHj9qVjbc

[@UristMcTubedwarf]

Eddie Becker he was arrested for carrying a stun gun. although if he took the entire bible seriously and acted on the morals it teaches, he would have been arrested long ago for things like assaulting homosexuals and killing people who work on sunday.

[@mrtadreamer]

Urist McTubedwarf Because trust is what God requires, he knows every persons heart and motive and when you choose to trust Him, that is when what He has promised in His word becomes your experience of what has been promised. It's a choice, and a decision.

[@UristMcTubedwarf]

mrtadreamer your repeating this from the bible, but i ask, how do you know it all wasn't just made up? other religions out there believe their holy scriptures are real and everyone else's are fake. can you provide an argument that disproves their beliefs that cant also be used to disprove your own?

[@thedil6932]

This is such a good example of why I love America and love living in America because we can have these conversations and not be worried about being shot, or jailed.

[@kennethturner706]

Nope, you have to worry about going to school, movie theaters, and country concerts.

[@dowens0470]

when you feel the presence of God, it is definitely physical. It is all the evidence you will need. Choosing to have faith in God is everybody's own decision, I just want people to experience what I have, But you cannot feed those who are not hungry

[@jmullins2008]

They should have let the kid be. I admire the bald christian guy for turning the tables on arrogant atheist guy. Just too bad the Christian is completely wrong in suggesting you need an cosmic overseer to know anything. The "repent" part was particularly nauseating. What kind of sick mind would create you sick, then order you to be well under threat of eternal damnation? The whole issue is really very simple. Either prove a god...and I mean any god, actually exists in ANY sensible form whatsoever or forever keep your faith inside your own head and out of the schools and government. It doesn't belong anymore than the tax subsidies.

[@richard40x]

"What kind of sick mind would create you sick, then order you to be well under threat of eternal damnation" Lack of understanding on your part, or deliberate distortion. You were created with the capacity for either good or evil, but you choose which. For choosing good you get rewarded, for choosing evil you get punished.

[@jmullins2008]

Richard Forty Says you. Both of us are the result of evolutionary processes and will die just like any other animal. What you are engaged in here is precisely what you criticize me for. A lack of understanding of basic biology and a deliberated distortion of the nature of our existence. As I wrote, it is a pretty sick mind that would "create" you defective then order you to be saintly. The perverse fantasy of purity that no one can achieve or else you burn for eternity. That is the christian offer. But don't worry right? A christian can commit any evil and bypass judgment by wishing upon a star to escape accountability. Vicarious redemption. A morally bankrupt concept. Please explain the mechanism for creation and how you know this to be true.

[@richard40x]

Jim M Actually I do not deny basic evolutionary processes, when did you ever hear me say that, again you purposely distort my views and lay a straw man on me, typical dishonest leftist/atheist tactic. You did not even respect me enough to ask my views on evolution first, you just let your bigotry assume I must be a young earth creationist. But could evolution and the big bang be part of Gods plan for creation, and could it also include things not covered by evolution, like Man having a soul. That is the current view of the Catholic church. Could God have directed evolution, and helped it get over some of the more difficult parts, like getting the first cell with DNA. I dont certainly know the answers to those questions, but neither do you. Remember the big bang was a moment of creation, from nothing. "The perverse fantasy of purity that no one can achieve or else you burn for eternity. That is the christian offer. But don't worry right? A christian can commit any evil and bypass judgment by wishing upon a star to escape accountability." Again gross distortions and ignorant bigotry. God does not expect us to be perfect, he only wants us to strive to be the best we can, and ask forgiveness and have sincere repentance, and vow to do better, when we fall short. Also God does not allow you to escape earthly accountability for misdeeds, and heavenly accountability requires sincere repentance, and an effort at restitution and taking earthly accountability as well.

[@jmullins2008]

Richard Forty Excuse me, but it was you who brought in the magic of "creation". What a surprise that it is infinitely flexible like everything else about your faith. You make quite a few assumptions of your god being and what it wants. How do you know? What access to information do you have that is just inaccessible to everyone else? Even if your theory of a god directed universe requires some sort of validation. Otherwise it is an absurdity. "Also God does not allow you to escape earthly accountability for misdeeds, and heavenly accountability requires sincere repentance, and an effort at restitution and taking earthly accountability as well." So, you admit a child raping serial killer, who sincerely repents and sincerely provides restitution and is earthly held accountable, gets a free ride to heavenly bliss for eternity, so long as he asks sincerely for forgiveness. But a person who has committed no such offenses, has been kind and generous their entire lives burns in conscience torment by virtue of being a Buddhist. Nice offer. No thanks.

[@richard40x]

Jim M "Excuse me, but it was you who brought in the magic of "creation". " Yes, and you arrogantly assumed believing in the possibility of a creator had to assume young earth creationism, and not the big bang and evolution, guided by the hand of God. "But a person who has committed no such offenses, has been kind and generous their entire lives burns in conscience torment by virtue of being a Buddhist." That is not a faith I would go with, why did you assume I would. Yet more bigotry. Of course many faiths believe theirs is the only true way to God. The only way anybody can find out for sure is when they die, and either see or not see God. My working assumption is if God turns out to be Christian, and an otherwise good Buddhist dies, he may be dismayed to meet a Christian God, but that God will not condemn him, just point out his error in belief. "You make quite a few assumptions of your god being and what it wants. How do you know? ". I dont for certain, only death, and meeting or not meeting God, can decide that for sure. But I was explaining standard christian doctrine as it really is for many, and not how you grossly and dishonestly distorted it. For that very reason, I will never be enough of a bigot to denigrate anybodies faith, or lack of it, unless that faith or other belief is harming me in the real world.

[@victoriao340]

Christianity is based on faith, why do people tend to forget that lol. I know he's real because of my faith. Our brains cannot comprehend how someone or something like that can exist. We're not capable. If you try to mix science with God you're gonna get stuck.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

How many gods are there in the universe and which one(s) do you believe in?

[@vanessarodriguez9242]

+Eddie Becker There is only ONE God and that is the creator of heaven and earth. He sent His one and only son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. When Jesus ressurected and He left to Heaven He sent the Holy Spirit to help us get through everyday, and the Holy Spirit gives us the power to speak in the heavenly language/speaking in tongues.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Other religions have faith that their god is the only ONE true god. What is the difference between your FAITH and theirs?

[@victoriao340]

Everyone has the same God, it's just in different names.

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

So even though you believe that ONE god, sent His one and only son Jesus to die on the cross, even though you believe that you also believe in all the other gods that all the other religious worship. Even if they do not believe in Jesus?

[@matthewlopez8521]

Love you bro! And so does Jesus Ted!

[@rcarrillo7]

Wow... atheist hypocrisy at its finest. When the group of atheists overwhelm the kid with bad biblical understanding, it's them using reason, but when the Christian apologist uses basic logic to make the atheist trip on his flawed thinking, it's called bullying.

[@Scolecite]

Biblical understanding? That is an oxymoron.

[@rcarrillo7]

Sean Armstrong Why do you ask me a question and then tell me how I should or shouldn't answer? That's like saying a doctor is a bully if he/she says,"You will die if you do not stop drinking that." Christians believe that man is corrupt and is in utter rebellion against God. IF (please read the if) this is true, then how would it be bullying to warn someone of of their potential fate? If we're wrong about it, then at worst, Christians are just misguided fools - which is completely possible. Even Paul says, "If Christ did not rise from the dead, we are to be the most pitied of people" and "If Christ did not rise from the dead, then we have wasted our lives." These atheists were completely misrepresenting the bible's position on slavery. It's a rhetorical tactic used by atheists all the time. It's silly and dishonest.

[@rcarrillo7]

Scolecite How so? I meant "understanding of the bible". I know you were trying to sound clever to yourself. It didn't work.

[@yazushin9793]

Care to tell me what part does this bald man make sense again? I could even say that he has no sense at all, a total falacy in itself.

[@yazushin9793]

***** So in other words it is not bullying, but a warning when a criminal asked you to give your money while pointing his gun at you and shoot you if you resist.

[@tradehut2782]

Total ownage by the atheist..

[@johnisaac7302]

actually the atheist was owned for contradicting himself

[@tradehut2782]

No

[@eltaco7405]

+Clifford Cleetus Did we watch the same video? The guy has read the Bible; what he said made sense. The Christian didn't even hesitate with his answers. The atheist on the other hand looks like he wants to leave, he was definitely not expecting to hear intelligence. Atheist got owned big time. Regardless Jesus loves you & I wish he gives you knowledge and understanding.

[@tradehut2782]

+El Taco yes we watched the same video and you are wrong

[@johnisaac7302]

Clifford Cleetus You just say he is wrong with no backup. Wow... Hypocrite who always asks for proof but has none himself. The atheist contradicted himself many times and he doesn't even understand the "logic" he talks about himself. You people think Christians are retarded? He wasn't using logic like the Christian really was. The Christian spoke with confidence and intellectual education while the atheist fumbled with points he knows nothing about himself. His arrogance exceeds his own arguments and intelligence.

[@EricJackson0518]

They're beating up on a child who don't know the scriptures! Please if anyone who read this and believe they can come at like this and think it will be the same out come I wish you will come and try!Lol! I think not!

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Yes, you are correct the kid didn't even know that slavery was regulated in the bible! Not only regulated but it says in the bible that he wants people who are enslaved to obey their masters as if they were the lord! But I think the kid got it. Unbelievable what they don't teach kids now-a-days!

[@EricJackson0518]

Eddie Becker to bad your absolutely wrong about slavery in the Bible! if you want the true understanding all you have to do is ask!

[@EddieBeckerFilms]

Eric Jackson If you want to have a discussion, you can't just say the other person is wrong, you also have say why. Are you saying that you don't think that slavery was wrong in the bible or that your god had nothing to do with regulating it. Make your point.

[@EricJackson0518]

Eddie Becker Your understanding of God word! your looking at it a literal sense and Its not meant in a literal sense but man has perverted God's word by giving it mans meaning! you have God's meaning to truly know the word of God! Give the scriptures that you're referring too?

[@marvin9860]

Eric Jackson if its not meant in a literal sense whats the point of following anny thing the bible says

[@lewis2688]

This was surprisingly tame and respectful

[@GlowingMpd]

👍

[@roelvink2722]

I would choose for logic, choose for evolution/science. But evolution only explains how life progressed (mutations,survival of the fittest). *It doesnt explain the spiritual factor in which many (not even religion people) believe in*. I mean from Wayne Dyer to OSHO, we all have a spirit and those Guru's weren't even religious. Google *TruthContest read the Present*. If you really want to know how life works in every facet. It explains for the 1st time in history the best explanation of the big picture of life in every facet. *The Truth will set you free.

[@demiandeen2172]

A wise man picks up fruits from both trees

[@jamesfortner9695]

People have an inherent need to be comforted by the world around them. If your companion dies than its okay he is somewhere else. Now not understanding the natural world around them selves also brought on a notion of something bigger. Imagine...people cry so when it rained it was an all powerful being crying , I mean they had no idea of atmospheric conditions and moisture. Imagine seeing lightning strike or light up a shy in 10,000 bce, hell I'd probably think it was a God, an angry God. But see it stops there, religion has been expanded on in terms of spirituality since antiquity what has is our understanding of the world....it's simple , is it not ironic that Science learns and figures out these occurrences yet God has not seen fit to thrown out new puzzles. No it's so easy, we do not live in a metaphysical world. We are bound by physics as is any higher being wether he created our universe or not. If there is a god he is one of many and can be quantified

[@youknowwho9247]

That's because there's no way to "explain" something that doesn't exist. Saying that there's no scientific explanation for spiritual, transcendent matters is like saying there's no scientific explanation of how beavers fly to the moon.

[@jamesfortner9695]

+Voyager One ....well that's because Beavers "do not" fly too the moon. There is no science called for it or it would be studied. There is no rational explanation for the need or the existence of a God or more properly the a God of say Christian proportion. There are many thing science does not understand but if there were there would be no science. But any scientist worth his salt will never say he knows anything but he will tell you the data matches here and there. There is no data on the existence of the God your average Joe believes in.

[@jamesfortner9695]

+James Fortner But science has offered much to the understand of our universe. One day we may unlock everything and move on but religion will not.........since the Daniel entered the Lions den in around 615 BCE the only real explanation for a god is "I feel it"....a rare few were lucky enough to have serious issues mentally and actually say they saw God....lucky them right. Science has in time figured out the sub atomic universe....took us to the moon....solved the human Genome, yes real creation.....we know light takes roughly 8 mins to get here from our Sun & we know our earth is not even the at the center of our on galaxy let alone the center of the universe. We are not at the center of our solar system....nothing revolves around us...there is always a bigger fish and if there is a God he is one of many.

[@3infront]

the reason we don't see god is because it would be easy to believe in him. He doesn't let us see him because he knows those who truly believe don't have to see him to know hes real. If we keep losing faith it might be time for another cleansing (flood) but we should all pray because all life is precious those who argue make me feel good about myself because after all the arguments i still believe!

[@loadedpainted7040]

That's a sadistic god. He creates a world in which the most reliable way of knowing and understanding nature and reality is through the process of science. He creates some people with an understanding of the scientific process and reasoning and some people that are willing to take something on faith that's inconsistent with everything we observe in nature. He knows which path these people are going to take because he's omniscient and he created them with different thinking abilities, knowing that one will go where reason leads him. He sends the rational one to hell and the believer to heaven. He created an individual, knowing that he would end up being an atheist, just to send him to suffer for the rest of eternity. If god is creating people that won't believe something without clear evidence, why would he give no clear evidence of his existence to these people? Also, if you have no actual evidence of any god, how do you know that yours is the one true god? How can you know that the other 999,999 gods are wrong? What distinguishes your god from the others if there's no evidence at all for any religion?

[@RevolutionMan]

Which god? I presume you assume that it's YOUR god who happens to true..?

[@3infront]

Abram McCluer Youll see

[@loadedpainted7040]

3infront Right, okay. Don't answer my questions. Just give me imaginary threats.

[@robertlkiss]

Trolololol

[@SkylarStillwell]

The man in the glasses probably should not have went up to a child and attack him BUT he did have many good points.

[@ghhjnbghjn8921]

hes kind of bullying a 16 year old with a whole group...

[@_pink419]

dem ver• Why are you calling it bullying?

[@ghhjnbghjn8921]

Clorox Swain Because they're throwing bullshit in his face

[@kitijaozola4527]

The "child" is near 13-16,in this age he must know how to argue and defend his point of view.And why you call it bulling,he wasn't insulting him or shouting?

[@Yskii18]

The kid came up to them

[@jameelbassier7703]

to everyone saying " OH THEY BULLYING HIM". there were not even attacking him just stating immoral things their book agrees with