Sauron | The Fear of Aragorn, the True King (Original Version)

[@sybaritic2001]

Gandalf explained it well to Aragorn, Legolas & Gimli: "The Enemy, of course, has long known that the ring is abroad...But he does not yet perceive our purpose clearly...Indeed he is in great fear, not knowing what mighty one may suddenly appear, wielding the Ring...seeking to cast him down and take his place." When Aragorn revealed later revealed himself to Sauron in the palantir, the dark lord would have fallen off his chair.

[@TheRedBook]

Haha yes, exactly. Gandalf is hinting towards the idea that fate is working against Sauron and Sauron may realise it. The line of Isildur is still on earth, the sword that was broken has been reforged, the ring is abroad, the Witch-king has been defeated...everything is just going against him. He then foolishly thinks Aragorn has stuck his neck out too soon when he comes to Mordor - failing to realise it was to aid in Sauron's defeat through the hands of another. Such good writing.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@TheRedBook Time for Sauron to get Eönwë on the telepathic phone and ask if the offer made at the end of the First Age is still valid.

[@indio4-215]

@@tominiowa2513 I wouldn't be surprised if a part of Sauron, right before he was reduced to an impotent spirit, was seriously regretting not taking Eönwë up on that chance for penance that was presented to him all those ages ago.

[@josephjaussi6423]

You got it in one. This is precisely what he feared.

[@ericshipp51]

@@indio4-215 It’s been my experience that those who embrace evil fully and despise the good aren’t penitent after their fall. They are so engrossed in hatred their pride doesn’t allow themselves to seek forgiveness earnestly. They only feign remorse to get out of punishment, which would be seen through by Eonwe.

[@IbexWatcher]

I think In Deep Geek pointed out in his video on Sauron that in Aragorn he sees not only the heir of Isildur and Elendil, but also further back to the faithful Numenoreans who fought him off in the War of the Elves and Sauron, and farther back to Beren and Luthien, who caused his downfall and humiliation way back in the First Age. All throughout Sauron’s long life, he has met his match and lost at the hands of this one family - from Thingol and Melian’s daughter all the way through elf lords and kings of men. Now here is one last person who comes from that highest lineage of beings on earth, right when Sauron least expected it

[@TheRedBook]

Of course, even when we say "Heir of Isildur" he is the son of Elendil, so we can just include all the heritage of Elendil as well. That goes all the way back to the greatest Men of the First Age too as you say. Sauron had a special hatred for the Men of the West though, even over the great men of the First Age. They humiliated him and they built an empire greater than his. When he destroyed Numenor, they still remained and made new Kingdoms on his doorstep. We can call them Sauron's Bane.

[@theeffete3396]

Let's not forget that Aragorn's line also traces back to Melian, the Maia. However diminshed, he carries some of that grace within him. This is, undoubtedly, what others see in him, why he inspires hope. He represents man's connection to the Creator; a Christ figure. When Legolas sees a star shine on Aragorn's brow, I don't think that was a metaphor. I think the star was real. A manifestation, perhaps unconsciously, of the Grace within him. This is a part of why Sauron fears him; they are kin, and if Aragorn possessed the Ring, that diminished aspect of his lineage could awaken.

[@ThinkingMarion]

Very tenuous stretch to see a parallel between Aragorn and Christ. Aragorn, after all, LIVED and RULED a real kingdom in his "real world" of Middle Earth. In other words, he was the complete opposite of Christ. Other than that, yeah the similarities hold.

[@davidhimmelfahrt3732]

@@ThinkingMarion Aragorn, Gandalf and Sam are commonly known as the three christ figures from the Lord of the Rings tale.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@ThinkingMarion As far as Tolkien was concerned, Christ also lived and ruled (and still rules, and always will rule) a kingdom in the real world. That belief may seem absurd to you, but if you can't take it seriously, you should probably find someone other than Tolkien to read - GRRM is probably a better fit for you. (I do not say that you should _share_ that belief, only that you take it seriously if you take Tolkien seriously.)

[@bivekhunjan2888]

Amazing video and awesome info brother! I’m an artist and I paint while listening to your videos.

[@rotwang2000]

Critics usually laugh off Aragorn as if he is just another cliché "And he ruled wisely until the end of his days" king the type that GRRM so nicely put down. But if you take a long hard look at the history of the great kingdoms like Gondor and Arnor, it's really a long, slow decline, successful kings and stewards are very few and far between. A handful of those were able to push back to some degree, others merely managed to hold their ground and preserve a status quo, inevitably followed by others who actually lost. By the time Aragorn sets off with the Fellowship Gondor is all that's left and it is greatly diminished. It cannot even send forth a host to fight Sauron, but has to hold Minas Tirith and hope for the best. Aragorn isn't just your typical fantasy king, he's the last hope, without him all could be lost. And he's the first since the death of Isildur to really get out there and restore the kingdoms to greatness after Sauron is destroyed, he restores the old kingdoms after many centuries of decline and loss. People criticize the Lord of the Rings as something with happy Hobbits and wizards and stupid bad guys, when it's in fact one of the few moments in the Legendarium the good guys do get a break, the rest of Tolkien's work is very dark and if halfway through anything from the Silmarillion you don't ask yourself "When do the good guys ever get a break ?" you didn't pay attention.

[@TheRedBook]

Great comment, I agree entirely. People who say such things about Aragorn simply don't get it. The same people who say it's silly that he runs around with a broken sword, refusing to carry another. As I say in several videos, it's basically his crown until he takes the throne. Aragorn as a symbol represents so much. And he's not perfect like everyone says. Those moments following Gandalf's death to the Wizard's return are full of Aragorn doubting - he is in a position he never thought he'd be in. He feels he failed in certain ways with the Fellowship - it all aids his growth. Anyway, the eucatastrophe is waht you are speaking of, of course. The moment that favours good over so many dark moments, when it's least expected. If we don't just say there can only be one eucatastrophe by definition, then Aragorn returning as King is one for mankind.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@TheRedBook I always assumed he carried another sword when he went to war openly in Rohan and Minas Tirith. If nothing else, the learned in Minas Tirith would surely have recognized the broken Narsil for what it was, making his taking the _nom de guerre_ Thorongil pointless.

[@misterwhalrus7334]

I have found the distaste the Martin's and such people have is not against the story, but rather the principle of these kinds of books. When they read the books and see the stories, they see men and women who are strong, while being kind, where their failures result in their doom, be it in spirit or flesh, where people give no ground against evil. these people who love and write "gray" stories and characters find distaste in people who do not compromise in things that matter. In all the defeats of Gondor, Arnor, or any elven realm, or dwarven hold, I get the idea, that no king within ever gave up on the moral, or spirit of their people. Even though they fall, they never crie aloud:"It was all for naught" beauty lost once is not forgotten.Never giving up to apathy, to not caring. Rather these people are intense in these stories, seeming to have stronger feelings than even us that are "real" I cannot really explain what feel about this in text, I feel I lack the wisdom to do so.

[@noahbaden90]

I've never found the GRRM quote to be that of disparaging Tolkien or Aragorn. In my eyes, it's just that Martin saw the words "ruled wisely and justly" and saw the potential for his own story there. His story of asking "what does it mean to rule wisely and justly?" And I think that's a perfectly reasonable story to tell, it's just not LOTR.

[@jonathanleake6176]

Man, if I could be a million people at once and subscribe them all I would. You have so much talent and put so much effort into these videos. Keep it up man!

[@TheRedBook]

These recent videos do take a lot of work but I enjoy doing them. Especially when people enjoy them and don't just say "You are talking nonsense" 😁 . Appreciate the support Jonathan!

[@Enerdhil]

@@TheRedBook Are things going okay for you? Haven't seen a video in a while.

[@TheRedBook]

Everything is good. Hasn't been a video for a couple of weeks because I was working on a 40+ minute video, which editing wise is like me making 3.5 videos at once. If uploading it to KZbin goes OK (it's a big file) then I think it will be available today. I've also spent a lot of time improving the editing for this one so it should look quite different. So, certainly been busy but the editing changes and length of video meant I had to spend a lot longer on this one.

[@Enerdhil]

@@TheRedBook Thanks for the update. I knew you had a good reason for delaying a video, but this sounds like a great reason. You are getting closer to Philosopher'sGames territory with 40 minutes, but I am sure I will have my eyes glued to the screen and my ears attentive to every word for all 40+ minutes. You have the gift of keeping people's attention with what you say and how you say it, basically stuff that is hard to learn for KZbinrs. I will watch it as soon as I have some free time. Thanks for your content. By the way, I replaced Ted Naismith's Tuor Entering the Mountains Surrounding Gondolin with an old passport photo of me. That is the guy my wife fell for and married.😁

[@TheRedBook]

@@Enerdhil You have the long hair like me, whereas I look like an Elf/Dwarf mutant, you seem to be more akin to Elrond's household haha. And yeah it was a surprise I made such a long video. It took a lot of time and effort and I won't be doing another as long for a little while but it was a good first attempt and certain subjects will get that treatment again. Later, I have a long video planned about the Downfall of Man related to Melkor and later Sauron, I think that will go down well. Let me know your thoughts when you do see it. Always appreciate the comments ! :)

[@TheRedBook]

I hope everyone enjoyed this video. I've been cutting less and less from my video 'scripts' meaning that this video is about twice as long as it would have been even a month or two ago. I think it's good to add a bit of backstory and history - so I included a lot about the Chieftains of the Dúnedain and the importance of the friendships made by Aragorn in The Lord of the Rings. Hopefully, it doesn't make the videos drag on! As I said in the video, feel free to share your thoughts and ideas, especially for this Questions & Answers series. Thanks! An error exists at 6:53 - I put Kings of Rhudaur twice when editing. One should be Kings of Cardolan. Here is a link to a correct image - ibb.co/xGkNVWj (Also if the audio sounds weird in places, I was battling a cold doing this one ) Support the channel on Patreon - www.patreon.com/theredbook

[@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π]

I enjoy this kind of videos with well-structured arguments. In my opinion you shouldn't be in a rush. (other middle earth related channels also make longer videos to please KZbin's algorithm by repeating over and over well-known facts which couldn't be further from your style)

[@TheRedBook]

@@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π I try not to say what I assume everyone knows unless needed - or if I do, I will add it as extra information on the video without saying it. Still, some bits of history and retelling of events are interesting and many are required before getting to the main point of a video. I'd prefer doing it this way than "The History of the Chieftains of the Dúnedain" as its own video - just naturally work it into a more interesting topic. At least, that's my aim...

[@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π]

There exists a mistake in the animation of the lineage of the chieftains of the dunedain in 6:55.

[@TheRedBook]

@@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π Which is?

[@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π]

@@TheRedBook kings of rhudaur is written twice and there are no kings of cardolan

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

I am only about half way through, but it seems that Sauron fears Aragon because Aragon is a combination of separate things that caused his downfall before. His lineage, his blade, his unifying charisma and kingly behavior, etc etc. He is Sauron's ultimate antithesis and Sauron is right to fear him as such. As separate things, they have each been a thorn in his side. Now their combination and culmination stand in his way

[@holicekaderliiii6787]

Do I think Sauron was afraid of Aragorn? Yes, but not the quaking in his boots fear. I see it as the worrying, doubtful, 'How could I have missed this.' fear.

[@TheRedBook]

Of course, fear can mean many things. He feared what Aragorn could do and what he symbolised, more than "I hope I never meet this man in person".

[@holicekaderliiii6787]

@@TheRedBook They then used his fear and doubt against him. They presented him an offer/chance he couldn't refuse.

[@fifi-trixibell1888]

One of the most beautifully put together video I have ever seen. Aragorn is as real to me as my Lord is. Just such a figure to aspire to, especially in these dark days. Sorry I am a bit down these days, and being alone in my believes this video really rose my spirit. You sir are a pure gem 💎 of KZbin.

[@TheRedBook]

Thank you very much :D !

[@rickstorm4198]

Nay, fair lady ,you are never alone. Do not let fear creep into your heart. Men of the West still walk this earth. Though we are likely few in numbers, we are duty bound to stand against all the armies of the fallen. We shall have our day... This I promise. Fate sees to it, that the pendulum always swings back. Stay in the light.

[@Sym0S]

For me Aragorn is a mythical being himself. He decends from the greatest lineage of men and even has a longer lifespan then normal humans. He has all the greatest characteristics a fairy tail king whould have and represents hope to the people like Gandalf does to his friends. In videogame terms: Both Gandalf and Aragorn cast mighty buffs to the party.

[@TheRedBook]

I agree with you, Aragorn seems almost superhuman compared to even mighty men of that age. He's like a Second Age Lord of Men thousands of years after most had dwindled.

[@RushavMohanty]

Added to all of that is the fact that Aragon is literally the synthesis of every house of the Edain and most of the Atani. So in a way, Sauron's longevity must have actually magnified his fears, because longevity comes with memories, and memories can bring a myriad of insecurities. When Aragorn reveals himself with the Stone and Sword, Sauron would have seen them all: Tuor, Turin, Hurin, Huor, Barahir, Beren, and Earendil. And those are just the heroes on the mortal side of things

[@wierdalien1]

@@TheRedBook I mean I think thats the very point of Aragorn, as I said on the Quora post about his age

[@LeHobbitFan]

Very true! And in a way, he truly is mythical by birth: he is a direct descendant of Elros, whose grandmother was Lúthien, daughter of Melian the Maia. So he still has a vivid strain of divine blood running through him

[@Kryddmeister]

@@RushavMohanty I got actual goosebumps from your comment!

[@Sari36YT]

I’m a new subscriber and I just want to thank you for making these videos. What I love most about your channel is the sense of gravitas and weight you’re able to conjure in each video. It really is appreciated. While more light hearted channels can also be good, yours treats Tolkien’s legendarium with the quiet, thoughtful respect that it deserves.

[@TheRedBook]

You are very welcome :) I enjoy making these videos. I'm not as humourless in person 😂 but I seem to take Tolkien very seriously!

[@LennoxLewis86]

Great video! Sauron surely feared Aragorn. It’s why he sent all his forces to meet Aragorn. Sauron’s gaze heavily fixated on the king, expecting him to pull out his you-know-what any second. We all know what happens next. The only reason the whole plan worked is because the fellowship used Aragorn as bait, through Sauron’s fear of him.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Of course Sauron would fear a direct descendant of Luthien Tinuviel 😉. Legolas even points to Aragorn's semi-divine heritage at one point.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

Another labour of love, an insightful analysis of a question I'd simply answer with 'yes'... cool stuff. Looking forward to the Eru Ilúvatar vs Barliman Butterburr video 😁

[@TheRedBook]

It could have just been a yes! I like to ramble, clearly. The Eru vs Barliman will be my 10k subscriber special!

[@guillee12]

Incredible video as always, you always seem to be able to convert trivial or obvious questions into deep and long (not so obvious) analyses that expand the lore and give new insights to Tolkien's work.

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks, Guille. Happy you enjoyed this one. I do write down a lot of questions that probably wouldn't be worth making videos about but many questions like this are deeper than they may seem. I made this one after reading it on another site and everyone kept just mentioning that Sauron was a Maia and Aragorn was a Man...I just had to make it.

[@guillee12]

@@TheRedBook Hahaha I get you, it was kind of a duty...

[@TheRedBook]

@@guillee12 The trick is to say everyone else is wrong without saying they are wrong! I guess it's more right to say that I see viewing the work in such a way as really shallow. Sauron suffers many defeats against those "less" than him.

[@guillee12]

@@TheRedBook Of course, I would add that also with how ambiguos the "power" of characters, magic and fate are, no conflict can be reduced just to "this is more powerful than that"

[@annamnatsakanyan4040]

Great video and so much lore for those who have only seen the movies or only read The Lord of the Rings! Aragorn crying "Elendil!" at 10:20 is just awesome. Keep up good work!

[@hia5235]

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[@walkwithoutrhythm9858]

I feel that many people don't take into account that a hero needs humanity more than traditional power. When I think of Aragorn, (while I visually see Viggo Mortensen because he was my first introduction to the character) I don't see him fighting the Wraiths at Weathertop, or even the King fighting before the Black Gate. I see Aragorn closing Frodo's hand over the Ring. Humanity and nobility are (in my opinion) the greatest characteristics of any hero, and Aragorn has them in spades.

[@SmoughTown]

Brilliant video my dude. Thank you!

[@yael9137]

It’s like that old lesson they teach in drama class, an actor can’t play a king, everyone else must treat him as a king. Aragorn doesn’t need to proclaim himself King to be recognised as one. In Tolkien’s world, lineage and nobility has power, and Aragorn is a genetic soup made from all best flavours Ilúvatar’s offspring have to offer. On top of that, Sauron messed around with wearers of the Ring of Barahir before… and it didn’t end well for him that time either.

[@TheRedBook]

Aragorn, Elessar, the Elfstone, Dunedan, Genetic Soup! Yes, you are right. Aragorn declares himself as heir but events in TTT and RotK show us that those he would rule welcome him. He never wanders into Minas Tirith and demands the throne.

[@dba1862]

He didn't need to proclaim his kingship, but he needed all sides to recognize and accept it before he would do so publicly and accept the role.

[@Marcus-ki1en]

I think Sauron feared that Aragon was loose in the world, carrying the blade responsible for causing the loss of his ring. It was a fear of the unknown and a possible undoing of his plans. That is why he sent such a force to the Gates to meet Aragorn's challenge. The amount of resources that would be diverted from the task of bringing the world under his control was also a cause for fear. Did he also fear an intervention of the Valar again if things went too long due to Aragorn's rekindling of hope?

[@kindredsoul2761]

Your in-depth analysis on various topics are always informative, concise and well presented. Always look forward to your videos, as it is obvious you put a lot of time and research into them. In truth, I enjoy the longer videos especially if they include history and important events in relation to the topic. Your channel has become a favourite for Lord of the Rings lore/analysis. Thank you for your hard work!

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks very much! I like that it still seems concise because sometimes I think I repeat myself or take too long to get information out. Was surprised that this ended up being about 19 minutes without the added outro. I think I'm realising I can just take my time to say what I want and the video length will be as long as in needs to be.

[@eschelar]

I've been thinking about the nazgul and their curse. When they get hit by a blade, the blade is destroyed. Sauron doesn't appear to have such a curse... Or does he? Importantly, Galadriel also gave a seat for his sword with a peculiar blessing, that the blade could not be broken, even in defeat. It is possible that Sauron, a master of smithing and enchantment might have known this and this too might have given him cause for fear, since the blade might now have the power to overcome even that curse. As such, the blade Anduril would represent even more cause for fear as a symbol of unyielding opposition that would not be crushed, even in defeat.

[@soulreaver1983]

Outstanding video thanks 🙂

[@TheRedBook]

Thank you Mr Raziel!

[@soulreaver1983]

@@TheRedBook You're welcome 🙂

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Good points, cogently explored and argued. Let us not forget, also, that Aragorn is a descendent of Elros, and thus also of the Noldor of Beleriand, and of Melian the Maia.

[@cherub3624]

I'm glad to see you addressing the "power level" thing right out of the gate, my friend. I knew I was in the right place.

[@TheRedBook]

I'm sure it will come up again in later videos. It's certainly something I really can't stand when it comes to discussing Tolkien.

[@cherub3624]

@@TheRedBook I remember talking with you about it a bit in a previous video comment. I'm just glad someone is finally addressing it.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@TheRedBook Gary Gygax copied many things from Tolkien, but armor class, hit points, and damage ranges were not among them. But the pain of getting run through by Aeglos and Narsil has nothing on stepping on a 4-sided die in the dark with bare feet. 😉

[@SvarteJack]

Of all the Tolkien youtubers you have the best ambient soundtrack by far:)

[@TheRedBook]

I try to avoid all my videos sounding like a tavern in a low-budget straight to DVD fantasy film 😅

[@stevenmccart5455]

I first read the books in 1974 as a high school senior. I believe it was a perfect age to read them. My reading comprehension was good ,the story and writing were of course compelling and although my childlike wonder and imagination were no longer there ,there was enough left deep down for me to get really lost in the story when reading. Subsequent reading would find me reading the appendix and then the Sylmarillion came out and every year the Hillenbrandt callenders...although I thought things like the Tolkien society were just a little bit too much I will still watch things like this video just because it's someone talking about TLOTR. I just hope those that saw the movies before reading the books did indeed wind up reading them and ,realize what was omitted in the movie and just how deep and involved the story really is.

[@darrenlongshanks5102]

I really enjoy your channel - I'm so happy to have found it! Your fantastic analysis and review of the material has helped me understand the Lord of the Rings to a much greater extent, I'm very grateful.

[@florianbarkowski6856]

There's also the point that Aragorn greatly resembles Isildur's son Elendur who in turn resembled Elendil. So maybe Sauron also saw in Aragorn a trace of the man who struck him down.

[@beatleblev]

Another excellent video Red Book! They get better and better as you go. Thanks for the great work you put into each one. It's funny you should mention stating out characters from LotR. I have tried to do just that. It has been quite difficult to maintain the "Tolkieness" of Middle Earth in an RPG. Magic has been the biggest challenge in trying to adapt what Tolkien describes into a consistent magic system with rules that could be adapted to the RPG system everyone was familiar with (D&D 3.5/Pathfinder). I have the original MERP rules before and use a lot of their sourcebooks for reference but if I converted the ICE stats as written they would not reflect the Middle Earth as presented by Tolkien. Here's to the hope that our heroes can save Arthedain and perhaps even a reunited (but lesser) Arnor to stand and defeat the Witch King when he comes again. Preparing to DM a LotR game has only deepened my appreciation for the uniqueness of the Legendarium in how difficult it is to accurately portray within the bounds set by its maker. Considering things like rightful Authority, the differences and interactions between Spiritual and Marital might, and of course, that lurker between the lines that rarely mentioned but is always present in Eru, who ever seeks to inject grace, generosity, and mercy into the situation presented. This is not the D&D campaign for those who kill all the foes for XP and pilfer their corpses for loot, unless you are a certain Wizard of many colors.

[@dlsamson]

Thank-you for illustrating one of the strong themes which i believe Tolkien intended for the LOTR, the theme of nobility. Aragorn, of course, embodied this in greater form than almost any other character in the story. This is also why I found Jackson's treatment of LOTR so troubling. in Jackson's attempt to add energy & tension to the movie, he greatly diminished Faramir's nobility by suggesting that he would have succumbed to the temptation of the ring when of course, Tolkien specifically demonstrated that Faramir was comparable to Aragorn in hearkening back to the golden age of Numenor.

[@simonmorris4226]

One other factor is Aragorn heritage through Luthien who defeated both Sauron and Morgoth to Melian the Maiar. The power he had is demonstrated in Aragorn ability to take control of the Palantir from Sauron. This alone would make Sauron fear what Aragorn could achieve if he had the ring.

[@donbrunodelamancha1927]

This is the first time I’ve come across your channel (Friday, 21 January2021 PST). I am VERY IMPRESSED‼️ Your channel not only respects Tolkien’s work, but Honor his World and Mythology with a passion I have seldom seen. I bow in acknowledgment of your purity of Love what Tolkien created in Middle Earth. I am in awe and CONGRATULATE YOU‼️ BRAVISSIMO‼️‼️‼️✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼💯💯💯💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks very much :D This is definitely a Tolkien channel and I always put his work above adaptations or anything else. it's his work I love!

[@alexshadowfax1119]

Great video, glad you stuck with making videos, like I said before, you stand out amongst the plethora of Tolkien channels.

[@TheRedBook]

Oh yeah, I am not giving up yet. The next video is looking rather...different. I hope people will like the look of it :D !

[@Clever-Chimp]

Yes. This is why Sauron didn't count so much with destroing of the Ring in the Mount Doom, because the Fellowship was trying to create an illusion that Aragorn already has Ring and he is moving to Minas Tirith - and this is why Sauron has attacked earlier than he originally planned.

[@christosvoskresye]

1:52 And remember, Binkov may talk about hypothetical wars, but only real peace can bring us together.

[@Aelendris]

@the red book just a small typo/mistake in the video, where there are two line reserved for the kings of Rhudaur at around 6:45-6:50. Excellent video though! Keep them coming! :)

[@TheRedBook]

Yes, there is a comment on that in the pinned comment and I also have a little link that pops up when that happens, linking to the correct image :)

[@LuisAlbright]

Beautiful! One of your very best!

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks Dovid, always trying to make the next one the best one :D

[@Enerdhil]

@@TheRedBook It's true. Your latest video is always your best. 😁👍

[@sumbody694]

Aragon was the true heir and rightful king of men, this fact alone was enough to make Sauron tread carefully when it came to matters concerning the ranger. Sauron is not a fool and exactly the opposite, he is incredibly smart, cunning, deceptive and powerful to boot. The amount of pure knowledge and intelligence he has is uncanny. The crazy thing is that if you only read the hobbit and the Lotr series you would know next to nothing about Sauron himself especially if you only watched the movies. Even reading the Similarion and watching lore videos I still am pretty confident I only know the basics. I also played Shadow of War witch helped visualize and actually encounter Sauron himself.

[@neant2046]

Exaggerated dualism is one of the things that I actually don't like much about Tolkien's world, however I can't but admit that it leads to the most spectacular clashes. The confrontation of these two is just gorgeous! The king of Men by self-proclaimed title and the king of Men by heart and fate; the most charismatic liar and the most charismatic leader; the iron fist and the fireheart... This is actually where dualism becomes exciting even when you don't think in terms of 'good' and 'evil'! Such a pitty that in real life most of the 'kings' are Saurons :D Call Aragorn, there's a job for him)) Thank you for yet another inspiring video!

[@michael.bombadil9984]

Very nice research and presentation.

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks! :)

[@andygallie6263]

Excellent again. There is something inherent in Aragorn that did not exist in his ancestry for generations, perhaps since Elendil. Just as Gandalf tells Pippin that in Faramir the blood of Numenor ran true, as it did not in Boromir , so Aragorn has the majesty and power unmingled from the days of the greatness of Westernesse. Many Chieftains of the Dunedain and Kings of Arthedain passed by during the life of Arwen Undomiel, but the daughter of Elrond, and granddaughter of Galadriel and Earendil, sees in Aragorn a man she can love and respect, and sacrifice her eleven heritage for. He is Siegfried loved by a Valkyrie, Arthur returned, the Charlemagne of myth, the Restitutor Orbis like Constantine, not just the heir of a ragged line, long bereft of lordship who strikes it lucky. (How blind Denethor was!) Tolkien pushes all of our buttons. The man was a genius. BTW, great to hear a Scots voice amongst the babble of KZbin. Sorry to pontificate. Great channel.

[@brucetucker4847]

I sensed a minor seismic disturbance in the vicinity of Oxford when you compared Aragorn to Siegfried - like a small but significant mass rotating rapidly a few feet beneath the ground. 😉

[@istari0]

Great video as usual! Here's my take on it, which I don't think is much different from what you have said. When Sauron first reappeared in the 2nd Age, his first target when he embarked on the creation of the Rings of Power were the elves. I think he feared them and had good reason to do so as he had seen what they could do during the 1st Age. So, while his plan for thing Rings went awry, he was still on the verge of defeating the elves when the Númenóreans intervened and defeated his armies, driving him back to Mordor. I think then he feared and hated the Númenóreans more. Finally he managed to breing about the fall of Númenór but as he reforms in Mordor, he find the Númenóreans are not destroyed as he thought they would be. His surprise attack on Gondor fails and he eventually is defeated and "slain" in the War of the Last Alliance. He then spends the 3rd Age slowly restoring himself and slowly wearing down Arnor and Gondor. It takes time but eventually Arnor is destroyed and Gondor reduced to a fraction of what it was with the line of the Númenóreans greatly diminished. When the time of the War of the Ring arrives, I think Sauron was confident of victory so long as his enemies did not find the One Ring. But lo and behold the war begins poorly. Saruman is defeated. His enemies are uniting. One of them has the Ring. All of a sudden, Olorin is taking a more active role and one where he is demonstrating more power than he had since his arrival to Middle-Earth. Then Aragorn reveals himself holding Anduril and seizes control of the Palantir from Sauron. To be able to do that told Sauron that Aragorn had a moral authority than Sauron could never have. Sauron was confronted with a man who was emblematic of his previous defeats at the hand of men. Sauron was right to be afraid. One question though. If Aragorn or someone like Gandalf, Galadriel, Glorfindel, or Elrond had taken the One Ring and used it to defeat Sauron without "killing" him, what do you think would have happened with the Ring and Sauron. I've always thought the One Ring was in many ways an extension of Sauron and so long as he and the Ring existed, it would ultimately seek to betray any other who held it and return to Sauron, even if that someone was mighty enough to command the One to do bidding. Thoughts?

[@brucetucker4847]

Taking control of the palantir was more significant than I think most people realize. Aragorn was able to do what Saruman was not. This can't have been lost on Sauron. I believe Tolkien said in a letter that probably only Gandalf had the power and will to actually wrest allegiance of the Ring from Sauron to himself (being corrupted in the process, of course), and that if this happened, the effect on Sauron would be the same as if the Ring had been destroyed. Which, for me, brings up an interesting question: if this happened, but someone somehow succeeded in felling Gandalf-ron and taking the Ring the way Elendil, Gil-galad, and Isildur had done to Sauron, would the Ring remain loyal to Gandalf and seek to return to him?

[@robgau2501]

Even though I grew up playing Dungeons and Dragons and even though I couldn't get my friends to play Middle Earth Role Playing, I still would by the books just for the joy of reading about it and the ART. I love all the art of Middle Earth. Every artist I've ever seen creating a Middle Earth piece makes it beautiful. The art in this video reminded me of that.

[@TheRedBook]

It's one aspect I think is quite overlooked and just taken as a given "I'll use some art for my video because I have to use art". I spend ages picking out art to use and love just exploring what's out there. Really talented folks creating it.

[@TolkienLorePodcast]

Subtlety? Not reducing LOTR to classes and stats? Must be a great lore video!

[@TheRedBook]

We all know that with the One Ring, Sauron has +8 wisdom but with Narya, Gandalf is able to cast Fireball!

[@tominiowa2513]

@@TheRedBook How many hit points does Sauron have compared to Gandalf? 🤣

[@stefanol7814]

*Great* vid! Not only the text but also music and backgrounds, really a standout format here on YT. Btw, Aragorn physically resembles Elendil (or so I remember). So besides the rational factor that you outlined superbly (a Numenorean able to wrest the Palantir from Sauron himself is implicitly a prime candidate for using the Ring) there could have been a deeper fear. That day on the slopes of the Orodruin, Elendil and Gil-Galad had withstood Sauron's monstrous presence and strength and actually killed him, though at the cost of their lives. Indeed from Tolkien's wording it seems that after the fall of Gil-Galad a mortally wounded Elendil had cut down Sauron with Narsil. So looking again at that very silent face and at that sword, three millennia later, must have been a terrible blow even for the Dark Lord (as guessed by Aragorn himself, of course).

[@pamelah6431]

10:20 "Elendil!" his cat cried. 😆

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

One (perhaps just) criticism of Tolkien (who of course would never pretend LOTR was perfect) is the entirely valid concerns with monarchy as an institution. But that to some extent ignores that everything Aragorn, Theoden, Eomer, Thranduil, Dain, and all the other kings and potentates of Middle Earth did in the War of the Ring was effectively a sideshow. The salvation of Middle Earth was ultimately accomplished by a gardener, a bookish bachelor of no great lineage, and a former fisherman long tortured/enslaved into a almost a thing than a person. Those three--Sam, Frodo, Smeagol--saved the world, not the Kings or great Elven leaders.

[@thegatorhator6822]

Smeagol feels kind of unfair to credit, he was basically forced into aiding them and then accidentally provided a great boon at the end.

[@toddkurzbard]

As always, excellent and informative content. You make everything clear with excellent points.

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks, Todd! I always try to be careful when writing these videos and it's nice when it works :D

[@LeHobbitFan]

Great video as always, but could we get an answer for who would win between Erú and Barliman? I NEED ANSWERS!!!

[@TheRedBook]

I think that would be a 3 hour discussion with 356 book quotes to back up the answer - clearly Barliman. He is wise enough on his own ground. He thinks less than he talks, and slower; yet he can see through a brick wall in time!

[@gregk2369]

Don't feel bad about plugging your Patreon, these are top tier videos and requesting voluntary support is completely justified. I had never considered the role Tolkien's concept of authority played in the books until your recent videos on the subject, it's very interesting Thank you

[@TheRedBook]

Authority is something I love discussing alongside 'power'. Words often used to justify any position but no one ever seems to talk about what they really mean in the Legendarium. As for Patreon, I suppose I'm letting my own personality cloud how others would feel. I hate videos constantly asking you to subscribe, like, comment, and support on Patreon. Some feel intrusive. I try to be as subtle as I can - sometimes using a subscribe pop up just to remind people during longer videos in case they just click off, and sometimes having a voiceover at the end - but I never ask for likes. I just started the Patreon so it felt right to advertise it but I am rarely going to mention it. It will pop up at the end of videos and those sticking around to the end to notice would be the ones generously willing to support the channel that way anyway!

[@Kinderlieder-Kindergeschichte]

imo your best vid yet

[@legion9423]

I grow to love Your Channel. Keep up good work!

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks :D happy you are enjoying the videos!

[@rrsjr]

I really like your channel. If I may point something out: Putting text on the screen during a voice-over that is not simply subtitling for the audio requires the viewer to pause the video to read it, then continue, since one cannot read one thing, listen to another, and comprehend both. This is, to be blunt, a bit of a pain in the arse and prevents one from simply being able to watch the video in its entirety, uninterrupted.

[@TheRedBook]

Hi, I often get comments on really old videos that I can't change. This is 8 months old. Recent videos are very different.

[@MikaelKKarlsson]

Would have loved to read more about the following reign of King Elessar. There was much to do in the world of men after the great war. What old enemies could be made peace with, and whom not. Take for instance the Dunlendings. Would the king try to establish some sort of peace, and what would be the reaction of Rohan?

[@TheRedBook]

We have limited information as you say, some details of skirmishes against East and South. What happened with the Dunlendings would be interesting though. Even as late as the Scouring of the Shire, they are still up to no good. Who knows what would have changed following Saruman's final defeat though. They did swear an oath after Helm's Deep - perhaps those that did would return home and they would be left in peace? An optimistic view...

[@ParaguayMK]

Possible idea for a future video: Some critics have objected to an ostensible manichean worldview in the legendarium: that good is too pure and evil is such a caricature that it's easily scorned. To what extent is there moral complexity in LoTR and the wider legendarium, and where, if ever, do we see themes of redemption?

[@TheRedBook]

Great ideas here. Redemption is a favourite topic to discuss - I have a few videos about that so far - Feanor, Theoden, the Nazgul. I will cover the likes of Morgoth, Sauron, and Turin in other videos. But as far for a video focusing on the Black/White/Grey complexity - I'll add that to the lengthy suggestion list cause it's interesting.

[@w1ndexpfc]

Appreciated this video. I remember after the theatrical release of the the first movie, I couldn't wait and read the books. I remember coming away with the impression that mastery of the ring was possible and felt the films while amazing tried to simplify that aspect. It makes the story that much more interesting.

[@TheRedBook]

I guess I can understand why they did it. Simplying things leads to fewer questions later "Why didn't they do this or that". Aragorn making it clear at the Council that they couldn't use the ring should end debate about using it later. It's just unfortunate that it undermines the draw of the ring.

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

Even a trilogy of films which in their extended editions near twelve hours simply lacked the time to delve into the full and complex lore of this novel. Especially since a dramatic medium is inherently very different from a literary one.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

You understand Tolkien's work and seem to convey things better and more clearly than any other Tolkien KZbinr imo! You get to the heart of the matter and understand the nuance, and soul of Tolkiens work. You don't make it trivial, (like videogamey or into Marvel) if that makes sense haha

[@TheRedBook]

Wisdom shared by Gandalf the Grey himself :D . Thanks, and I do get what you mean. In fact, I know exactly what you mean and I don't like that approach either...

[@morgant.dulaman8733]

I might add something beyond the qualities of Aragorn himself: When this maiar saw a decedent of the men, women, elves, and maiar who had opposed him and his master millennia beforehand, wielding a broken blade now reforged and apparently coming to unite his foes at the 11th hour, I can't help but wonder if he had a sense of being opposed not only by mortals, but by divine will. Having earlier turned Saruman, he likely knew why the Valar sent the Istari, and thus realized they and Eru likely hadn't utterly forsaken Middle Earth, though they were taking a less direct and destructive approach than the War for the Sake of the Elves or the War of Wrath. In addition, with all the little chances like Bilbo, a member of a race he'd never heard of beforehand finding his ring in a cave, (far from where it should have been, going by accounts of how and where Isildur died) then quietly keeping it in a land he'd never considered until Frodo was ready to take it further to Rivendell, where now Elrond, Gandalf, Aragorn, and so many others had the chance to claim it... However he guessed at things playing out, I can't help but wonder if it was finally sinking in that a power and a will greater than his own was now moving against him, in ways Sauron simply wasn't able to keep up with.

[@andersgustafsson5533]

Two of main occasions Sauron was defeated, he was defeated by humans. He surrered to the Nemenorean army and was defeated by Elendil, Isildur (and Gil-Galad). Who else would he fear?

[@artemismoonbow2475]

As stated repeatedly, this video is a welcome addition to my life that goes further than lore videos ("not that there is anything wrong with that" -J Seinfeld). An interesting thing about Tolkien's mysterious and oft debated political views is that he relates to the village social anarchy of the shire while being a traditionalist Edwardian British Catholic man. As a Midwestern American, I can relate to the small village ideal of communal libertarianism and egalitarianism (something forgotten here) while also having a strong traditionalist pull that wisdom is built from the past and going within spiritually is critical. The American in me however cannot get behind hereditary rulers and legitimate authority. It is "in my blood to chafe" at that. I can only relate to that from the view of the "hard working and heroic industrialist that changed the world" who's descendants are complete jackasses. I love Tolkien beyond reason, but I can't get beyond the fact that at the beginning of all of his lineages was a person that did something noteworthy and in the glory of the divine, not ego. But doesn't that imply that in every Generation, there is always a choice and an opportunity for that embodied soul to do right and act in a way that reflects the achievements of the ancestors? That being said, Aragorn is an archetype for the leader that is needed in all times. As a veteran myself, the time where Aragorn, facing certain doom at the black gate, tells his men that there is no shame to turn back, I was sold on his character.

[@TheRedBook]

I also find it interesting that despite Tolkien's views on monarchy, he doesn't make all "rightful rulers" paragons of virtue. There are many failed kings and rulers in these stories but the truly great ones seem to represent an ideal - the standard against whom all others should be compared. Raises interesting questions though if we start to wonder about whether Aragorn's qualities are there due to his lineage and RIGHT to be King - or if his qualities are his own and would have been there even if he wasn't a King of Men. How much of such a thing is inherited? Would love to talk to Tolkien about such gifts and how he wrote them and imagined them.

[@artemismoonbow2475]

@@TheRedBook That is a good question. My thought on the matter would be that Aragorn was actually reluctant to take up the lineage and rejected the idea of power for multiple generations of men. His time in the wilderness is so mythological that three of the four gospels talk about it, and those are archetypal stories of many a shaman and spiritual leader through the ages. I choose to see it in this light; those who are worthy of authority should tremble at the thought. I won't fault Tolkien for the more problematic stuff that modern readers critique him on.

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks great subject

[@docopoper]

One thing I've always found interesting in the legendarium is how permanent death is framed as a gift from Eru, but the reward for the Numenoreans was an extended lifespan and the ability to die at will. That being a reward implies that Eru considered the lifespan of most men undesirably short. It's possible that Eru made the lifespans of men too short and elves too long to weave in the themes of grief and sadness the Ainulindalë contained. It's interesting that Eru seems to side with the Valar and not Melkor, getting seemingly annoyed by Melkor for messing with the Ainulindalë, and assisting in protecting the Valar from Numenor when they ask. And yet Eru causes the races of men and elves to awaken in places that make the Valar's jobs very difficult and which causes a lot of suffering in both races. Potentially even condemning some elves that just woke up to becoming the first orcs. I guess Eru is playing the role of story teller much like the GM in D&D, making sure the story has plenty of conflict but ultimately writing it to work out well. It makes me empathise with the Numenoreans who got corrupted though, because Eru certainly doesn't seem particularly visibly friendly to elves and men. As an aside: Man, it almost sounds like I'm discussing theology here. That is very much not my intent. I dislike how much LotR parallels Catholicism sometimes when I get into it and think about it and feel like I'm being a bit manipulated by Tolkien, but also that's what makes it such a good story and so interesting to think about idk. x3

[@TheRedBook]

The Gift of Men is going to be discussed in a video, definitely. I am also going to talk about the lifespan of Men and the belief that they once existed as immortals too but were corrupted. There's a lot to cover. As usual, it's about time and the fact I'm just doing this on my own :D . Wish I could just do this full time and I'd get a couple of these out a week, far too much to talk about and not enough time. I will have some thoughts about Eru to share and the Downfall of Numenor. A "Who was to blame" kind of thing - the answer is EVERYONE.

[@docopoper]

@@TheRedBook Heack yeah! I look forward to it. Your videos always stand out to me in my subscription feed. They're good videos.

[@TheRedBook]

@@docopoper I always feel bad when I tell people that their good ideas are going to come in the future, it sounds like I'm just saying it. I honestly have a big spreadsheet with like 800+ topics on it. Just not enough time to arrange what's next :D . I promise these interesting topics will be discussed though, hope you are around when they are made!

[@docopoper]

@@TheRedBook 800 topics is an insane number haha. I'm a pretty patient person, so don't worry, you haven't gotten my hopes up for it coming soon or something. Make sure to keep having the fun it sounds like you're having now as your channel grows. :3 Keep the spirit of talking about a topic you love instead of chasing KZbin metrics or feeling obligated to patrons.

[@TheRedBook]

@@docopoper They are definitely not all good ideas though or worthy of videos. Some would be about 30 seconds long :D . Oh yeah, it's still about fun. Thankfully, when it comes to Patreon etc, all the benefits are related to what I am doing now. I don't have to make extra videos or start treating it like a job quite yet!

[@dakotaf248]

Hey man, great video and commentary! I bounce around all over KZbin finding LOTR videos and just found your channel. I subscribed, liked and will recommend to my friends.

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks very much Dakota, and I appreciate you subscribing and even recommending the content - I've only been doing this since last May/June so I still consider myself a new channel. Can do with all the support I can get :D

[@TheEvertw]

Part of the import of the sword reforged was that at the last moment the whereabouts of the ring were positively known by Sauron, it was with the shards of Narsil. There was a chance they still were associated, especially as the bearer of that sword became 'uppish'. But if they had been together, the gradual fall of the Kingdom of the North is hard to explain. Or, perhaps, it might have been a contributing factor by sowing mistrust and division as demonstrated in that Kingdom? Who knows the mind of Sauron.

[@TheRedBook]

That's a good point actually. It's probably a reason why Saruman would attempt to hide that he had recovered the bones of Isildur as well, all of these being found in the same place. The sword returning just sets off alarms that something bigger is happening, the sword kept secret for so many generations.

[@tominiowa2513]

@@TheRedBook Having seen the bones of deer scattered in the woods by predators, scavengers, and rainfall/snow melt runoff, I do not believe that finding the Elendilmir necessarily means finding the bones of Isildur (if Isildur had been buried in a grave it would be a different matter).

[@TheRedBook]

@@tominiowa2513 It states he did find them. He desecrates Isildur's remains. Or I should say, it implies that's what Saruman did in Unfinished Tales. Burning them in a furnace in a dishonorable deed.

[@vartanpapazian8342]

It’s undeniable that Sauron feared Aragorn in a very real way, the vengeance of Numenor and a new rise of the race of Men that ended his conquest in spectacular fashion in the second age. But personally I think it speaks to the irrational paranoia of Evil than Aragorn’s actual influence to be able to overthrow him. Sauron and Morgoth are paranoid to an extreme degree. And while their paranoia isn’t unfounded it’s magnified beyond reality. While Morgoth understood that he could be overthrown by mortals, take grievous wounds from mortals, his victory over the continent was ultimately complete and it took the Valar in force to break his empire. Sauron likewise dwells in his own mind, so that while yes, technically there are powers that would be able to weird the Ring against him (of which it can be argued Aragorn is not counted among), in reality this would never come to pass. Of those capable, it seems only Saruman had the will to attempt it. The others seem to have less faith in their ability to control the Ring than Sauron does of them. On a purely military level, the entire race of Men united in the Third Age does not even equate to a fraction of the military prowess of Numenor, or the Last Alliance, as evidenced by the ragtag group Aragorn led to the Black Gate. If Aragorn were allowed a few generations of armament it might be a greater threat, but it seems clear Sauron’s fear mainly resided in someone wielding the Ring in the immediate scenario. There was no force that could put Barad-dur under prolonged siege, for example. It’s one of the many reasons Tolkien’s realism remains largely unmatched in fiction, the villains are far from inwardly arrogant, they see their motivations and character flaws projected onto their enemies. Sauron is invulnerable and out of reach of his enemies, except by way of the Ring. So his thoughts myopically focus on it with overriding paranoia beyond what is reasonably possible of the resistance against him. It’s a very telling moment when the Mouth of Sauron begins speaking of borders when supreme victory was inevitable. Sauron was overthrown in the only way possible, and it was completely out of his line of thought.

[@tominiowa2513]

Sauron has another reason to fear Aragorn; he knows that achieve victory he needs to corrupt men to the extent that he did the Númenóreans so Eru and the Valar will abandon them as not worthy of saving. The result of men (and elves) gaining the sympathy of the Valar after the voyage of Eärendil would not have been lost on him. Aragorn is a man who can rally men against evil, so Eru will not abandon them.

[@vartanpapazian8342]

@@tominiowa2513 Very true yeah. It would definitely compound his frustration that his defeat of Numenor isn’t complete. But that would also lend to him fearing the West, not Aragorn himself. As without Frodo’s mission, Aragorn and Gondor proper would certainly be crushed within a year or two. He does rightly fear men as the thorn in his plans for two ages, but on a rational level he has very little to fear in the 3rd Age, as even without the Ring his military victory is assured in all theaters. In a way there’s no ultimate victory for Sauron, just as there wasn’t for Morgoth because of the Valar. The wizards prove the Valar still keep an eye on middle-earth, so if Sauron did conquer the continent proper it’s reasonable to assume once unmasked and openly ruling as King of Kings he would be overthrown by the Valar in turn. But as detailed in the earlier video of Sauron’s knowledge of the Wizards, it doesn’t seem that Sauron is worried about the Valar seeking him out personally, more that they want to low key colonize Middle-Earth under Eru’s notice so it’s hard to say. It seemed to me that the mouth of Sauron was more interested in debriefing Aragorn over Gandalf at the black gate, wanting to get his answers quickly but it would be hard to fathom Sauron still feeling Aragorn had the Ring by the end of the exchange.

[@DECODEDVFX]

Great video.

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks a lot! Very strange seeing a big channel comment 😂I've been a subscriber for a while!

[@zarkostojanovic8749]

Behind "Of Aragorn and the faint-hearted" and this video - lurks a shadow of Malbeth the Seer; a character who could be a great subject.

[@TheRedBook]

In mentioning the Seer, you have ironically looked into the future 😅 ... I made a note about Malbeth when I got to that section when making the video. A mysterious figure but one I was hoping to may speak about when talking about Aragorn's "pilgrimage" I mentioned in this video.

[@zarkostojanovic8749]

@@TheRedBook His foresight knows no walls, obviously.

[@dba1862]

One of Aragon's Nobilities was his reluctance to claim his rightful kingship until all recognized his Authority.

[@TheRedBook]

Agreed, another thing that distinguishes him from the likes of Sauron.

[@Diegoromir]

Fascinating video, as always! Would you find it interesting to go into and discuss controversial topics, such as allegations of racism and debunk some myths like this in Tolkien's works and how the upcoming Amazon series will seek to distort the characterization of the characters and peoples of Middle-earth? I ask this because you have a fascinating knowledge of Tolkien's works and it would be interesting for someone like that to debunk some misconceptions about Tolkien's works in this regard. Thanks, and Namarië

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks, Diego, I appreciate the kind words and being somewhat trusted to debunk misconceptions! As for your suggestion - this is definitely a Tolkien channel, as in, I discuss the works of Tolkien, and only really mention adaptations in passing or if it's important. Though, your suggestions do fit into the new "Discussing Tolkien" playlist which is based on my opinion of Tolkien's works. The only problem I'd have is attracting certain audiences or repelling others. Talking about things like racism in Tolkien and sharing my own thoughts might be a bit too "real" when compared to my approach so far - viewing Tolkien's Legendarium as a collection of myths and history I can analyse and share my love of. I'll certainly take this under consideration though and I wouldn't rule it out completely. I've said next to nothing on the channel so far about the Amazon show!

[@christianebund8048]

Same problem do I see. It might be better to await the show and then decide if it is worth the effort.

[@Diegoromir]

@@TheRedBook Thanks for the polite response, we are in a gentlemen's channel, indeed. Yes, I understand and respect your position, it's a very sensitive subject, without a doubt.

[@dlevi67]

"debunk some myths" From that point of view, this video is already doing something. For example, pointing out that the attributes of power are many, and a video-game-like approach to describing it works only in video games... Re: Amazon - another vote for waiting and seeing. I wonder how many of the rumours are spread by people with an agenda that has nothing to do with Tolkien.

[@TheRedBook]

@@Diegoromir - Yeah because even if you are respectful when sharing an opinion, people can get really riled up. Not interested in such drama here but some topics are worth talking about. I think the racism one can be explained "in universe" but carefully haha :D

[@WhoIsCalli]

Very good vid, thanks for this 👍

[@TheRedBook]

Thanks Callum.

[@nestaron4064]

Great video!

[@molochi]

Sauron might have had some PTS trigger, seeing Narsil again. :)

[@milosstevanovic4117]

Please, do video about ring of Barahir or elven ring of power. God idea is to also do video about Turin Turanbar/Beren and Luthien in your manner.

[@kevinpotts123]

2:03 Eru Iluvatar VS Barliman Butterbur LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@anchuisneoir3973]

I think that "Kings of Stone" is harking back to the Argonath where the very sight of the statues of the kings overawed the company.

[@TheRedBook]

Kings of Stone is an old name, related directly to the name of Gondor itself - but yeah that is because of cities of stone and monuments including the Argonath.

[@drewp9819]

The insight in these videos is absolutely great for sure. But the quality production makes them worth watching multiple times.

[@joseraulcapablanca8564]

great stuff. I think he feared the sord and men in gnereal, or the power of men more rightly said. when aaragorn took control of the palantir and showed the sword, then sauron feared him.

[@aaronkenney4769]

Great lore, thank you

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

Excellent work Mellon!! Of course Saur-Saur feared Isildur's heir. The only man to best him. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK MELLON! ELENDIL! ELENDIL! FOR THE WEST!!

[@TheRedBook]

Thank you kindly :) . And you're the first to introduce me to the mighty Dark Lord Sauron as "Saur-Saur" haha.

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

@@TheRedBook When I was a young'n and my Gram would read me this book, she gave him a not so scary sounding name. Lol

[@Erik-um1zn]

Excellent video that explains very well the tactics and strategy of Aragorn/Gandalf & the Captains of the West at the final stages of the battle. Aragorn as Ringlord would have been a terrible power to deal with on Sauron's part(Gandalf would have been worse, IMHO). It wasn't about a one on one battle, a new Ringlord would have been able to use the Power of the Ring to daunt and break his armies.

[@TheRedBook]

In fact, Tolkien says Gandalf would have been a worse Ringlord than Sauron! I'd like to do a video about Gandalf with the ring and share my thoughts on what it would mean. I made one already for Galadriel based on her speech.

[@HagalSkrymir999]

One concern of Sauron thinking about Aragorn also could have been the following: If Sauron suspected that Aragorn has the Ring and would use it, considering Aragorns already immense authority and strength of will, if Aragorn had used the Ring these aspects of his would have been strengthened in a dark way. And this could have made the Easterlings and Haradrim bow to this dark, powerful, probably war like, but human, thus more relatable, king. If Aragorn would have managed to sway even parts of the Easterlings aND Haradrim to his side, in Saurons mind that would have been quite the threat, as in the books i'd argue the massive military reserves of Haradrim and especially Easterlings he had very likely made up a large and powerful part of his military might.

[@TheRedBook]

It is interesting to consider whether Men of the East and South would switch sides. Many would have been raised since birth to view Sauron as a God figure, many believing he was "Melkor returned". Coupled with a hatred of the West. Could be debated whether they would be drawn to Aragorn, even if he was of the same kindred.

[@cerberus6654]

When Sauron saw Aragorn in the palantir how did he react? Me aunty Morag was there clearing away the lunch and she said, "Aye, well, he boaked!"

[@brenttrotter88]

Where can I download this audio book version? I had it years ago but lost it

[@TheRedBook]

It will be out there somewhere. I haven't had to download it since the original links were up on KZbin.

[@brenttrotter88]

@@TheRedBook I'll keep looking and post a link if i ever find it haha!

[@docvaliant721]

I wish we got the history of Narsil.

[@jamiegregg9211]

as always it was a cool video enjoyed it

[@rafaelgustavo7786]

Suggestion for another video: I think that Sauron has an ability (by using the Morgoth Ingredient as a prerequisite for his "magic") to nullify the powers of his enemies. a) Sauron captures Minas Tirith on Tol Sirion: (...) when the power of Ulmo was in that water (...); b) Sauron tanked and repelled lightning bolts sent by Manwë on the temple of Melkor in Númenor; c) Samwise Gamgee at Sammath Naur in his great need drew out the phial of Galadriel (with the light of Earendil) but it was pale and cold, because all other powers were here subdued; d) And Galadriel's power in Lothlorien. Dol Guldur's armies could not conquer the elven realm unless Sauron himself had arrived. Remembering that Lórien is (in my opinion) a "dimension/pocket" where the time (forest, river, the air. Not for people) and space are different from the other places of Middle Earth: "Anyone would think that time did not count there. And perhaps that was the way of it (...) in that land, maybe, we were in a time that has elsewhere long gone by." This sets him apart from other Maiar. Sauron must also possess a pluripotency (with the use of Morgoth Element in the matter) to a lesser degree than Melkor/Morgoth. What do you think of this idea?

[@TheRedBook]

Yeah, you had suggested this on another video - I have the comment saved for considering it as a future video. I also saw your comment on Tolkienfans covering this and agreed with quite a few other comments there. I especially disagree with your point d) but I will see if I can develop something from this as a video.

[@rafaelgustavo7786]

@@TheRedBook another post I made on tolkienfans was about the idea of ​​astral or mental time travel in Tolkien's writings. Could be another topic for a video.

[@caos1925]

do you think if someone like Aragorn or one of the other wise and powerful took the ring, they could even take control of the orcs to use against Sauron?

[@blaxpoitation8528]

Idk about that. Orcs/goblins were corrupted elves. They were corrupted by Morgoth, so not sure how Aragorn or any of the others would control them, even with the power of the One Ring. I suppose it’s possible though..

[@TheRedBook]

Even if original Orcs were corrupted Elves(which was not final) , they became their own race. Every Orc afterwards isn't a "corrupted Elf", its an Orc.

[@AlyssMa7rin]

I haven't watched the video, yet, but I'm going to go ahead and guess/state my opinion: Sauron did not fear *Aragorn*. He feared what Aragorn represented, 'the turning of the tide'

[@TheRedBook]

You'll have to watch the entire thing and find out! Spoilers: you are right.

[@milosnackovic9607]

See, hit like, sit back and enjoy ✌️

[@Mentallect]

Sauron fled from Dol Guldur fearing Gandalf would learn his true identify (which Gandalf did), but I wonder why Sauron did not simply capture or kill Gandalf then unless Sauron did not believe he could kill him or killing Gandalf would not serve a purpose. Interesting.

[@TheRedBook]

Sauron fled at that point because he was not yet returned to full strength and didn't want his plans to be foiled. When the White Council eventually assaulted Dol Guldur, his plans had been made and he returned to Mordor and declared himself openly. If Sauron had slain Gandalf when he first came to Dol Guldur, it would only attract attention - if he could slay him at that time, of course.

[@jmitterii2]

@@TheRedBook And he would have known Gandalf could not really bill killed and would simply return to the spirit realm and this would alert the entire Valar... and Gandalf or others would return potentially and this time will full power. I think Sauron could tell Gandalf was a Mia spirit. Similar to Gandalf could sense the power in the reversing spell of the Belrog. They can tell or imply what these beings really are living in both unseen and seen realms at once.... unless this was concealed somehow in the Istari form.

[@dennis9ustafsson]

Thank you!

[@thebrotherskrynn]

It appears that fear and doubt were Sauron's masters in the end, with the great Maiar who had alongside Fankil served as chief leftenants for Morgoth, peerless amongst many of the Maia fell to an ignominious existence. It is almost laughable how he came to fear mortals so, and yet he was wise to do so as in the case of Aragorn as you so well-argued here. Still, it is a great shame that Sauron came to such an end, because had he taken a different, wiser road once can only imagine the good he might have done. Maybe he could have healed much of the damage Morgoth had heaped upon Middle-Earth.

[@skatemetrix]

Sauron feared Aragorn for two main reasons: one that Aragorn had the strength (being of the race of Numenor) to wield the one ring and potentially destroy Sauron, two that Sauron sees history repeat itself, through the reforged blade of Anduril and Aragorn's emergence, as the Lords of the West form one final alliance to end the rule of the Dark Lord. There is another thing I've been thinking about Aragorn and those Men where the blood of Numenor runs true: do they have telepathy and the ability to project images in the minds of others? Often when Tolkien describes the revealing of great power and nobility the character with those traits grows in stature or authority or even actual size, while those seeing that character diminish or become awed or go silent or even feel smaller. This isn't magic and it makes no physical sense- unless of course such a character can project a great image of themselves to the minds of others. I think there's more to Aragorn's presence then meets the eye!

[@alanmike6883]

What would've happened in the war of the ring if arnor had survived angmars assault with the the arrival of allied reinforcements? What if the kinslaying never happened? What would gondor be like in the war of the ring? What if sarumans army won the battle of the hornburg? What if Sauron kept numenor as a puppet state under his influence and not had it destroyed?

[@samhobbs9116]

Did dragons exist before Morgoth? Seems to me that whilst feral and angry they are still full of intelligence and even wisdom (Based on Smaug) and that one of the Maia could have sung them into the song. If no then what creature did he corrupt to "create" dragons? The flying things that the Nazgul ride seem far more like a corrupted dragon or a descendent thereoff than the dragons themselves.

[@rafaelgustavo7786]

Sauron's greatest fear would be Aragorn using the ring of power and realizing Boromir's great dream - a great empire composed of a great confederation of peoples: "The Ring would give me power of Command. How I would drive the hosts of Mordor, and all men would flock to my banner!’ Boromir strode up and down, speaking ever more loudly. Almost he seemed to have forgotten Frodo, while his talk dwelt on walls and weapons, and the mustering of men; and he drew plans for great alliances and glorious victories to be; and he cast down Mordor, and became himself a mighty king, benevolent and wise." But Aragorn is so honored and of such high presence that he won the alliance with Rohan, united Gondor, brought the Dúnedain from the North, and made the ghosts of Dunharrow fulfill their oath. All this with diplomacy, courage and honor. And without the One Ring!

[@TheRedBook]

Yeah, I do say it's the greatest fear in the video but you need to wait to get to that part lol. Its only been live 10 minutes 😏

[@tominiowa2513]

@@TheRedBook The whole video can be watched in 10:03 if playback speed is cranked up to 2X.

[@aceofconquest5745]

Could Sauron of made an alliance with Durin's Bane? Would Durin's Bane accept an alliance from Sauron though he is not the Balrog's master Melkor? Would the Balrog only fight along side Sauron if Melkor returned?

[@_semih_]

4:12 Galadriel and Elrond cannot use/master the ring. Tolkien said only a being of the same high nature, could hope withstand the ring from Sauron in person. The key point is the term "same high nature"... so only a Maia

[@TheRedBook]

I disagree. Tolkien in the same letter speaks of both Elrond and Galadriel using the ring. It doesn't have to be a Maia. Galadriel is especially more than capable of challenging Sauron with the One Ring. Note, I'm talking about mastering it or using it... Not withholding it from him in person which is different.

[@tominiowa2513]

Sauron would have freaked out if he knew how close the Balrog came to getting the One Ring. Unlikely the Balrog would have handed it over to Sauron for old-times sake.

[@skuled]

2:03 Eru Iluvatar vs Barliman Butterbur ROFL