Savarkar Told Lies About Gandhi & Bose, Begged British for Favours, Didn't Want Democratic India

Savarkar wasn't against beef-eating, begged the British Viceroy for favours and told lies about Gandhi and Bose, he also didn't want a democratic India: Arun Shourie, to Karan Thapar for The Wire.
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In an interview to discuss his forthcoming book on Veer Savarkar called ‘The New Icon: Savarkar and the Facts’, Arun Shourie reveals details about Savarkar that will shock and enrage his followers whilst possibly pleasantly surprising his critics. Arun Shourie’s book establishes that Savarkar was not a cow-worshiper and wasn’t against beef-eating or even offended by beef-eating. Savarkar lied about Subhas Chandra Bose and Mahatma Gandhi, claiming that he had advised the former to escape from India, form the Indian National Army and declare complete independence for Hindustan and asserting that “Gandhi ji and myself lived together as friends” in London in 1908, when Gandhi wasn’t even in the city at that time. The book says Savarkar also “begged” Lord Linlithgow, the British Viceroy, to induct the Hindu Mahasabha into the Viceroy’s Executive Council and the War Council and was happy to accept Dominion Status at a time when Congress was demanding complete independence.
In a 45-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, Arun Shourie, a former BJP minister, editor, columnist and scholar, also reveals that Savarkar was an apologist and an admirer of Adolf Hitler. As he puts it: “The more Hitler seems unstoppable, the more news about what is being done to the Jews in Germany comes out, the more fulsome does Savarkar’s acclaim become - for Germany, in particular for Hitler, most of all for what is being done to the Jews … that is the way to weld a nation, that is how we should treat the Muslims.”
Quoting from Savarkar himself, Arun Shourie established that Savarkar did not believe democracy was suitable for India. Savarkar said: “In India where the voters are ignorant and do not know whom to vote (for) and the elected representatives are also selfish … I would not recommend democracy. I would support any other form of government that would suit the interests of the Hindu nation … I would not mind if we have a one-man government, so long as he makes India strong and powerful.”
In his book Arun Shourie debunks the claim that Savarkar heroically escaped from the porthole of a ship in Marseilles in 1910. This was a myth propagated in a book which Shourie believes was pseudonymously written by Savarkar himself (The Life of Barrister Savarkar) and later extolled by people like Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The truth is whilst he did escape from captivity it was nowhere near as heroic as we have been subsequently led to believe.
I will stop there. I have only given you the main headline points made in the interview. For further details you must see the interview yourself.
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[@vhkah]

He was not only a big liar but a habitual Crook. Thanks a dozen to Mr. Karan and Mr. Shourie for revealing so many facts about Savakar the man in disguise. His role in India's Independence struggle is full of misdeeds and and Cowardice. Congratulations to both Mr. Karan Thapar and Mr. Arun Shourie.

[@Dadasahab1234]

Comment posted without going through the video. 😅

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@Dadasahab1234 Exactly.

[@arbjful]

Exactly

[@Oceansta]

Cowardice being the key word here....

[@asathyamurthy2481]

RSS never hesitates to make false claims to hide the fact that it played little role in India's independent movement and to rewrite history projecting itself as the savior of India.

[@PraakashRanjann]

Now everyone knows real facts about British Congress n their contribution

[@sifr-in]

​@@PraakashRanjann There were bhakts then and there are in this era too

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@sifr-in Why British Colonial Government handover power to Nehru and Jinnah instead of Savarkar ???? Why British Colonial Government send Savarkar to cellular jail instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, Mohandas Gandhi and Mohammad Ali Jinnah ??? Only because Nehru, Gandhi and Jinnah were true enemy of British Colonial Government !!!! 😀😀😀😀😀

[@mytube1298]

​​@@krishanuadityapandey4414 lol British government doesn't choose nor handed over power to nehru ji

[@shilpa3032]

@@mytube1298 Nehru was failure in university , just because of friendship with gandhi he was elevated to pm. Otherwise it would have been wise to select someone more grounded in Indian values and culture.

[@revathinath9081]

BJP is a admirer and follower of Savarkar are also habitual liar .jaise guru vaise sishya. Bada jhuta party

[@Dadasahab1234]

Only BADA JHUTA can post comments without going through the video. 😅

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@Dadasahab1234 Exactly.

[@ALS-AI]

NO WONDER BJPs BRHAVOUR IS ALSO ALIKE. MOD SHAH YOGI

[@sanjayshastry2436]

​@@krishanuadityapandey4414 just wondering how many times this one word will be used by you in replies. Bot?

[@prasvasu4217]

Savarkar is a hero regardless of what Congress or BJP think... Satyagrahas dont get you freedom... Have you seen Kalapani? Don't project on him please.... The Nehrus and Gandhis had to live with only modest house arrests... Nothing against them but that's the truth.

[@chinmaykrovvidi3957]

Great to see Arun Shourieji on Wire after a really long time.Arun Shourieji is an intellectual giant in his field.May GOD bless Arun Shourie ji will long happy and healthy life filled with joy and happiness

[@pkprabhakaran]

Many thanks to Karan for this wonderful interview. I know a lot of andhbhakts will be unhappy with this revealing interview. Thank you❤❤❤❤❤

[@ramakrishnayyaminapureddy2094]

U congress

[@Dadasahab1234]

Only andhbhakts post comments without going through the video. 😅

[@shabazbasha4030]

​@@ramakrishnayyaminapureddy2094so what, definitely you are bold andh bhakth, a bhakt who is very educated, and passed from sanghi pathshalas, so he not tolerated truth,

[@zidanconstructions]

@@ramakrishnayyaminapureddy2094 KYA RE SANGHI BAHDWE

[@tvwatcher5938]

@@ramakrishnayyaminapureddy2094. Any problem.

[@parakkalashokn]

What a pleasure to once again listen to Shourie an intelligent and gentle personality

[@vedprakash-hh6np]

Thanks!

[@jamalmydeen1158]

₹2

[@vivthehuman7909]

The person’s statue who did not want democracy was kept in parliament. What an irony.

[@jassaljs]

Wonderful! Shourie Sahib is such a wonderful researcher. Thank you for bringing him on your show🤗

[@viswaghosh1]

Savarkar's applauding Hitler and Mussolini isn't surprising. RSS and Golwalkar also applauded NAZISM in Germany and FASCISM in Italy. The RSS-VHP-BJP ideology has always been admirers of Hitler and Mussolini. Savarkar was no exception.

[@basurao8503]

GREAT SHOURIE SIR. SHOCKING. JESUS CHRIST WHAT A DEMON, THIS SAVARKAR. DOWN WITH MODI & HIS UNHOLY GANG. JAI HIND, JAI BHARAT.

[@blueflame6289]

*"A significant attribute to joining any Shaakha is to be able to lie without batting an eyelid and being absolutely shameless and ignorant!!!!!"* 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Dadasahab1234]

Only andhbhakts are able to write comments along with the video.

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@Dadasahab1234 Exactly.

[@Oceansta]

"I have to drink water"

[@BikeAndBeyondChannel]

Veer Savarkar was a timid individual and is now an overhyped figure, often mistakenly referred to as a freedom fighter, which he never truly was. He struggled to endure the hardships of the Cellular Jail and repeatedly petitioned the British Raj for his release.

[@Dadasahab1234]

Gandhi travelled in bogey all alone,also, he and his associates were provided all facilities when ,they were imprisoned.

[@shabazbasha4030]

​@@Dadasahab1234where is was returned, if it is write, then why he push out from train

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

This is why British Colonial Government send him in cellular Jail instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, Mohandas Gandhi and Mohammad Ali Jinnah!!!!! 😀😀😀😀😀

[@anuprauthan2532]

@@krishanuadityapandey4414 JINNAH NEVER WENT TO JAIL

[@caroykpaulfca9561]

There were other prisoners who faught for independence but never apologetical to the British.

[@arunstephan302]

So, now we know who is Guru of Feku. Savarkar the Fekuveer and Mafiveer.

[@manoharanthottarath7071]

This discussion is very revealing and tears the mask of hypocrisy and untruth. In present-day India, people have been fed with wrong things.

[@gautamgangulyguwahati9717]

Wonderful exposition of hypocrisy, falsification and blatant lies earthed by sudden patriots to prove Savarkar s patriotism. Reality is that Savarkar begged for pardon from British.. Kudos. THAPAR JI AND SHOURIE JI

[@rabiulhaque545]

There should be a hindi version of this invaluable discussion so that the naked truth could be widely known all over the country......

[@Easternlight-y2d]

Yes absolutely. People are largely ignorant and misguided by political shrewd.

[@AamirDelta]

That is the big weakness of Karan Thapar and Shashi Tharoor. They don't think whether this English commentary would be understood by folks in India or not. See BJP leaders, maximum speak Hindi because they know Hindi is easily accessible.

[@Oceansta]

absolutely right. Arun ji might have given the interview regarding his book to Hindi channels as well but unlike he would've faced questions like KT's

[@theHappyBabbler]

Karan Thapar is not just our educator but also our hero….and Arun Shourie is one of the very few saving graces of the BJP…an intelligent, educated and compassionate man…attributes lacking in every single member of the BJP of today!

[@santoshtavkar5104]

Once again Savarkar is exposed. And his cronies want to see he get Bharat Ratna.

[@ajitnadgouda6079]

As a family tradition, the next Bharat Ratna has to go to that Italian Antonio Maino. And thereafter to her another "Ratna".

[@santoshtavkar5104]

But now who is ruling? Why can’t they think of giving honour to their so called Dear Patriotic fellow

[@4827719]

Please send this to historians who idolise Savarkar and to the politicians who worship him. And to those who , after extensive research have written books on him - eg Vikram Sampath . Love to see if he comments here

[@VinodKumar-qv8in]

Savarkar was a coward.

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

This is why British send him to Cellular Jail instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, Mohandas Gandhi and Mohammad Ali Jinnah !!!!😀😀😀😀

[@shahree100]

Please read the list of the apologies and undertakings to the British which Savarkar offered from 1911 to 1950, a heroic record of four decades for which his portrait was put up in Parliament House by his political heirs to face that of the man he had conspired to kill - Gandhi.

[@caroykpaulfca9561]

Nehru and Gandhiji were not sent to Cellular Jail since they were not on murder charges unlike Savarkar.

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@shahree100 Why British Colonial Government forced Savarkar to write such marcy petition by inhuman torture ???? Only for safeguard true freedom fighters as Jawaharlal Nehru, Mohandas Gandhi and Mohammad Ali Jinnah !!!!

[@krishanuadityapandey4414]

@@caroykpaulfca9561 How Nehru and Gandhi participate freedom fight without murdering any British, even harming any British ????? Only by cooperating with British Colonial Government by opposing Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose and sabotaging freedom fight !!!! 😀😀😀😀

[@satwantsingh9351]

Savarkar was a coward. Thanks for this video

[@sonneyjoseph3855]

This was what Rahul Gandhi was always telling for long time. Many clowns went to court for that. Don't remember what happened to that.

[@shaunbird8051]

Thanks to Karan & Arun Shourie for this nice talk. Arun is a highly educated & a rare Intellectual which proves why he was a member of Ex PM Vajpayee ji's team ! This man was shunted by Modi because he was far too intelligent & honest. We highly appreciate his views. BJP' S followers will definitely resent this !

[@devangmetha]

Thank you for your insights, Mr Shourie. And Mr Karan Thapar for getting him on the show.

[@amirsubba4885]

Who is savarkar. Why is he getting so much of unwanted attention? Lets focus on Science, Jobs and inclusiveness.

[@BikeAndBeyondChannel]

True, he remained largely overlooked for a long time, but the BJP government has resurrected his legacy and elevated him as a hero.

[@nowonami2524]

which advanced country are you from ? this is hindu rashtra.

[@pbghosh5305]

😂

[@abdulrshah1886]

From an advanced country named as India​@@nowonami2524

[@Easternlight-y2d]

Climbing stairs of lies about Savarkar, bjp raised to power using lies and deception

[@syedarshadghani]

Thanks

[@SukhdeepSingh-ey8cu]

Respected Shourie ji is a true Khalsa a pure man.

[@vs9324]

Which idiot gave the title Veer to Savarkar? He was anything but veer. It is like Modi calling himself chowkidar.

[@anp4149]

He himself gave this title, under disguise name CHITRAGUPT.

[@nowonami2524]

dont bring non biological entities into this argument

[@pbghosh5305]

He himself named Veer.

[@anonymous_aspirant112]

😂😂😭😭​@@nowonami2524

[@arbjful]

Self appointed title..😂😂

[@venkatabutchiramaiahmuttan8451]

Very enlightening interview that revealed hard facts about Savatkar, Hindutva. Truly Hinduism has to be saved from Hindutva

[@rafiqquadri4588]

Savarkar was a British agent. He sabotaged the freedom struggle & was responsible for the partition because of anti muslim rhetoric of Hindu Mahasabha.

[@mohammedmudassirali1174]

Great interview, good information. The emptiness of so called the cowards followers and coward acts of that unpleasent person is clearly spoken about.

[@aakhthuu]

Arun Shourie is a legend 🙏🏾

[@D.nya_art]

More truth about past needs to be told. And should be told again and again, before fabricated imaginary stories are circulated and told a 100 times and then it sits in people's mind as truth.

[@Dadasahab1234]

Telling lies 100 times,make lies look genuine for bhakts only.

[@thomasvv6543]

Intelligently critical and knowledgeable

[@anjumshaikh8586]

No doubt, Mr Thapar is an educator and Mr Shourie is our guru and guide. 🙏🏻

[@neelimasharma167]

You both are among the very few people I admire in the current times, Mr Thapar and Mr Shourie. Please continue being you. Thank you for your unflagging principles and the courage to uphold them.

[@souravroy20236]

Liar, Coward and a fraud ! To address this man as "veer" is the greatest insult to our freedom fighters who gave up their lives for this nation.

[@nangasubbareddy5207]

God bless you Mr Shouri

[@radhakrishnapamaraju2750]

Good conversation with Sri Arun Shourie ji. Well done Karan ji

[@Dadasahab1234]

Comment posted only one hour before uploading of video. WIRE is loose, hence, possible. 😅😢😂

[@oswaldfernandes7596]

Gandhiji was fighting wirh the Btitishers to gain independence, Veer Savarkar was begging for mercy when he was in jail & almost surrendered to the Bririshers.

[@kalaimani5424]

Arun shourie ji we are missing your public appearances what a graceful man!!!!❤❤. Thank you Karan

[@mirafzal2019]

Savarkar was ilteratate follish frustrated person savaker was communal agent sarvaker always agent of RSS vhp BJP brangdal communal party undermatic unconstitutional party

[@aadilansari5997]

Aur Log kham kha Qaid par ilzaam lagate hain.

[@MohdRehan-w5k]

Arun shoring speaking 100 percent truth

[@sanjaygadhalay1523]

Thank you for this piece karan and arun shourie. Just like your earlier one which explained why Modi is a dark triad character. A must see .,.....explosive realities and truth

[@Dadasahab1234]

Arun resigned from BJP ,because he got nothing. 😅

[@Oceansta]

Link please.

[@Oceansta]

​@@Dadasahab1234 doesn't change the facts. Fascist playbook chapter 1 : discredit the person who exposes you 🤡

[@deepakagnihotri9668]

Always a treat to watch your interviews Sir ❤

[@harshitpurwar2196]

Just delighted to see Shourie live and kicking.

[@revathinath9081]

Savarkar and jinaha supported division of India and Pakistan

[@rigourmortis6445]

Jinnah supported partition BECAUSE of the likes of Savarkar. He preferred separation rather than putting up with bigots such as those currently in power.

[@eliotanderson6554]

Well by that logic nehru and gandhi also accepted partition Even ambedkar was pro pakistan read his book he was worried for non muslims of india and wanted total population transfer which I also support

[@ranjaysingh8266]

@@rigourmortis6445 he himself was a bigot.

[@nipamkumarsaikia2]

I sincerely thank Mr Karan Thapar for organising such an engaging conversation.

[@HeyDerThether]

A liar, a British agent and a coward walked into a bar. The bartender asked " what can i get you Mr Savarkar"......

[@heartofbuddha63]

Then he said - "Oh, my bad, Its you Mr Jinnah".

[@jayapalantharavath8388]

Great job done... Debunking the whole lot of falsehoods constructed around V D Savarkar Good interview 🌹🌹🌹

[@laxmanjoil9275]

Great interview of Arun Shourie by Karan Thapar.

[@thanosmettech8147]

It’s a pleasure to watch Arun Shourie after such long time

[@sapamsubhangker7267]

Many Thank Arun Shourei For The information You Share .

[@keshabkaflay9075]

What to say now Arun Shourie! Thank. You!!!

[@rajenharshe1494]

Arun is devastating but extremely spot on.

[@onkarprasadshrivastava7640]

Netaji Subhas could organize 70000soldeirs with arms and ammunition for Indias Independence. We blecame Independent without Electoral Bonds and PM care funds Sometimes you should remember Captain Mamta Mehta and Brig.Mehta for contribution to Indian independence. Subhas Chandra Bose shifted from Presidentcy college to Scottish College in Calcutta His Guru Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar gave Blessings to start armed Rebellion he was suessful After independence He spent amonosatic life in Tibet upto 83yrs of age For further details visit YT Ch Proutist Odisha by Pranavatmkananda Avadhoota and also a book ie Advent of Mystery. Savarkar ne क्या kiya RSS main koi Yam and Niyam ka Palan नहीं karta haiAnINA soldiers is bettr than Savarkar

[@ashok755]

Excellent interview.

[@Easternlight-y2d]

Shourie sir , you are expected to elucidate and expose more such liers and villains who have been projected as heroes.

[@alfredpinto6713]

Wonderful authentic interview

[@binahamed]

For BJP as well as RSS violence is not an anathema. Past record of BJP and RSS bears testimony to it. But at the same time tney are the staunchest supporters of sanatan dharma.

[@sulbhameshram9752]

Brahmin writer make hero like Savarkar .. 😂 Dr. Ambedkar said there is no Intellectual honesty in brahmins.

[@atulmishra932]

God of dalit untouchables Ambedkar, his contributions in the making constitution is also overhyped. congress never gave him much importance earlier, though times have changed now , since congress needs votes of shudras to get back to power .

[@madanbhat8814]

I will surely purchase this book by shri shouri ji. Very good deliberations. Some of the thoughts of Mr shouri co eco with mine Our present day leadership is particularly attempting to make India like Pakistan. That is fundamentalist community. I believe Pakistan is happy with this idea. A liberal democratic country country is always a threat to them.

[@vhkah]

Its a wonderful facts revealing Interview and every literate and sensible Indian should watch it.

[@ParikshithTrends]

Finally truth revealed...😮

[@dranilkumarjainjaipur7342]

Waiting for the Shourie's book. Its Hindi version should also be published.

[@balajirit]

So Savarkar was seriously Modi without power.

[@kirchunetwork1986]

Comment from 28th Jan 2125. Today someone mentioned an antiquated app called KZbin and while browsing through it I found this video. From this video I could find the reason why India remained underdeveloped, poverty stricken country. Experts from both left and right were instead of finding solutions to existing problems were busy analyzing whether a person who lived 100 years and some cases 1000 years back was a patriot or a coward.

[@abhijitchatterji7587]

Unbelievable this conversation is still going on in India in the 21st century. 🤦🏽‍♂️ No wonder .. China must be having a good laugh!

[@nasirqureshi1785]

Save Hinduism from Hindutva forces.

[@SethuHareendran]

What an eye opener interview...!!! It just tears apart the multifaced cunningness of the RSS and the larger Sangh Parivar and most importantly their principal propagandist Mr. Savarkar, who is nothing more than a huge pile of lie. He called himself "Veer" while he was in reality a "Coward". This interview will surely rip the followers of Savarkar apart brutally...😅

[@vshankerraon956]

Excellent presentation god bless to both talents for exposing Hypocrisy, TRUTH 🎉

[@hidden_bug]

If bhagwans are born to Cow, they are #BeilBudhhi

[@rigourmortis6445]

Pity bhakts can't call Shouri khangressi, jihadi, commie, naxal, tukde tukde, etc. etc. Watching in total helpless silence is the only option🤣

[@vipintyagi9281]

Arun Shourie is quite defiant. KT is as always the best.

[@fishyslogger5590]

Thank you Karan!!

[@washutosh]

Savarkar was an outstanding poet and an opportunistic rabble-rouser who backed out at the slightest hint of danger. But the Maharashtrian upper class has been drinking his cool-aide for too long to care about facts anymore.

[@mnhussain7857]

Truth is always bitter….. Gurugram Dr recently at IGI airport just following these greats… including our vishwa guru PM.

[@kiranram1689]

Savarkar is a big liar and his fan and follower Namo is doing exactly that, on a daily basis.

[@mukhtarhandoo7827]

God bless you, Karan Thapar Sir for an objective analysis in these tough times

[@fh8047]

Randeep Hooda should watch this interview.

[@nowonami2524]

🤣

[@Dadasahab1234]

Its is senior Hooda not junior Hooda.😅

[@Oceansta]

Hooda must have done a lot of research and cherrypicked what suited him. Theres no way he didn't know about all the cowardice.

[@zak4871]

Gandhi Ji is remembered all over the world “no one knows other guy except few”

[@cmsatpathy4883]

Great talk. Invisive analysis. Truth about Savarkar must come out and Arun Shourie book is facts.

[@rafiqquadri4588]

माफी वीर सावरकर झूठों का सरदार था।

[@positionvector]

Arun ji, I have been at IIT Kgp and IITD. At my time, P V Indersen from the EE Dept of IITD was a professor who later became the director of IITM. HE LIKE MORE THAN TWO DOZEN HARDCORE RSS AND MANUVADI FACULTY MEMBERS WERE TEACHING IN IITD AT MY TIME WHERE I REMAINED FROM 1975-85 as a student, researcher, student activist, and scientist on ARDB sponsored project for Light Combat Aircraft, turbine blades design. Especially the Physics Dept of IITD had "only Sanghis as the faculty members " with 3-4 exceptions. I am primarily from tge Physics Dept of IITD where I did my M. Tech. Indersen was a die-hard opponent of reservations for the SC, ST in JEE, and he said it too on becoming the Director of IITM openly. It is under elements like P V Indersen that Jagadesh Mamaldi, a hardcore Manuvadi Sanghi, was appointed a faculty member in his EE Dept. This Mamaldi, after ruining JNU as its VC, is these days digging the grave of UGC as its head along with of all universities that get accreditation from UGC in India.

[@Yugpurush2020]

RSS BJP and Modi never hesitated to talking lie and spread lie for their own selfish benefit. They never mind what will happen to country by their utter lies

[@santanumandal841]

He also wrote a fantastic book 'Worshipping false god'.

[@nikhilhembrom8952]

Chamchas will get heart attack if they discuss worshipping false gods

[@ruthm4074]

Thank you for setting the record straight! Young people and future generations should take the effort to know the truth

[@lifebuildingfoundation3659]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THE TRUTH.

[@BaljeetKalha]

Welcome Sir Arun Shourie ji! Love to see you in this space. Jug jug jiyo, Sir!

[@tobiasjulian]

Quite shocked to listen to the discussion 😮

[@PochaiahPonaganti]

Great.Karan sir.

[@sj1517]

Fantastic, bold interview

[@Gurugramrahmat]

very important and revealing conversation... thanks the wire 💕🌹👍👏👏🙏🏻

[@MrYpandey]

We kept searching for science and technology in religious texts. China has gone ahead of India by thousands of years.

[@rangavesa2016]

Rss bjp should go from power as early possible to prevent from taking india to stone age.

[@satyaprasadpulla2891]

Good. The book has been published at the right time.

[@Indianman536]

i remember when i was in school and started taking interest in reading news papers Arun shourie use to write anti islamic articles which helped him join islamophobic bandwagon at that time but later on when he was kicked out from the high position he got he took a u -turn and now his tone sounds totally opposite to what he use to propagate. May be he had a change of heart out of his inner conscience or he is just the same opportunistic guy which we see in politicians.

[@ambat7960]

I love how when Arun started shit talking Subash Chandra Bose, Karan got super uncomfortable and quickly told him to bitch about savarakar :))

[@veeraghantadsarma2263]

I suggest that Karan interviews Ramchandra Guha and confirm about the lies that Savarkar told about his relations with Gandhiji