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It has been a while but 'JOMW SAVES' is back! (You know what I mean ;) ) I have been sitting on these for far too long, they are actually really nice. Smooth case finish, nice sapphire, great handset. A few kinks to iron out re the strap and the bracelet, but for a little over $200, it is a swet watch and wears bigger that you might think. Cheers, Jody

[@chronomatt6990]

I wish Chinese watch companies would hire European or American firms to design their logos.

[@nicksgameplan]

But... How would you tell people to sugess these nuts?

[@jamesblonde2271]

arf!

[@islandterror5198]

@@nicksgameplan Did you not see the brand "Cresticle" it was a great one 😁🤟

[@claywebb8199]

Amen to that, yet the Sugess one is actually ok.

[@jamesblonde2271]

@@claywebb8199 San Martins the one that really went thro changes

[@ToshMatsum]

Small chronos always make me happy and interested. Most of them are 40 and +, and I prefer 36-37mm watches. This one looks nice, too! Haven't owned a Sugess yet; gonna keep my eye on it. Thanks, Jody!

[@baloosd]

it's not a 1 to 1 or "ripoff" copy. the subdials are pushed out closer to the edge of dials, which is an improvement over the zenith imho. the absence of a date window is also an improvement. these details and improvements more than justify the purchase.

[@chronocommander007]

They should have put an ST 1905 in there because it has a useful power reserve display at the 6 o'clock position.

[@BinanceUSD]

This movement is amazing and Swiss! Watchs from the 1950s still going strong and desirable

[@Gary-li7ib]

I've been on the fence with these for ages. I love the Zenith El Primero and it's my favourite looking chronograph out there. If they made this but in the shape of the 38mm Chronomaster Original (or 41mm Chronomaster Sport) and in the various colour options, I'd probably buy a few!

[@thetruebatman4632]

It’s my favorite chronograph as well! I finally saw one in person last month on vacation and I was really caught off guard with how small it is. I’m a big guy with an almost 8” wrist, all the photos and videos I’d ever seen of it made it look like a bigger watch.

[@user-go9tc3cw4b]

same or if they make this in the all black colour

[@fbkensarhd5279]

Looks cheap to my eyes 🤣

[@MitchellKai03]

They’ve now released a chrono master version. SUGESS S442.

[@Gary-li7ib]

@8yrOldgamers I saw that as well, definitely getting one as they look amazing

[@sinjinadams2862]

I think they have done a fantastic job of homaging this watch. It looks very nice. I have a very favorable opinion of Sugess. I own one of their chronograph's and I really like it. They seem to specialize in the ST19 movements which I also really like. I own quite a few of them and so far have not had trouble with any of them but they are all less than two years old so I guess time will tell.Great review as always!

[@Razor_Burn]

Thanks for sharing this review Jody as there's plenty to like with beautiful dials, clean finishing and I'm a sucker for the canvas but surely they could've opted for a more modern movement yet its to be expected as its such a massive saving compared to the original... Great job Sugess!

[@VictorAdameArt]

I just bought the zenith, pre owned I found it for $4700 USD, they're usually at a steep discount on the secondary market, I couldn't settle for an alternative because it's my grail but if it weren't I'd be looking at the Brew metric instead, it's not a copy and has it's own unique design language.

[@spslayback]

Good for you. Still don't understand people buying these Chinese garbage

[@karlsenula9495]

I actually like the look better than the Seagull 1963 for the movement. They also make an actual moonphase watch (not just a sun/moon). Both are on my list to get this year.

[@SteveFWatches]

I have the white dial panda and it wears excellently. I just wish I got the green version.

[@gamesetmatt23]

Can I suggest to Sugess (😉) that they make a black PVD version, similar to the Zenith at 2:28. That would be 🔥🔥

[@unwokeneuropean3590]

Love these saturday morning videos.

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

These are cracking watches. I've had mine for a while now and still absolutely love it. Yes it has a couple of little niggling issues, but then they are more than made up by the better than expected lume and good overall build quality.

[@avavaviv1]

It look solid - the crystal is nice, the small size is great unlike many of the 40mm seagull movement watches. Just the uselessness of the 3rd register just does not jive with me. Otherwise, I would go for it, if I did not have 1963 already.

[@dpns2ster]

I have this panda version on a ladder bracelet from Etsy. Hands down my most worn watch last year. The fun to dollars ratio is great. I was looking forward to getting the green or blue but something tells me the price is going up!

[@mckrissla]

Jody I have a favor to ask: please upgrade to 4K. Your content deserves higher quality. Sincerely, a longtime fan.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Mate, I'm not sure it would be worth it at this stage, but I'll do a test, just for you OK?!

[@mckrissla]

@@JustOneMoreWatch appreciate you

[@vincentferreira1135]

You won’t notice a difference if you’re watching on your phone. 4K is meant to be watched on larger screens so if he films in 4K and you watch it on your phone or even an iPad Is iffy, you won’t notice any difference at all.

[@Masterpsflood]

Great watch. I just got mine and its WAY better quality than I expected. Worth every penny.

[@mr.eswatchreviews]

I have found that sugess make excellent watches for the money even if they are super clones for the most part it is nice to have the look and function that you want at a fraction of the price

[@AwkwardHorology]

I’ve been interested in this one and the Breitling a like on the orange strap. Sugess is an interesting one, I like the words daisy chain.

[@ailestriker9888]

Accurist does a quartz homage of this zenith and I'm curious to know how many would take the quartz over the Sugess

[@imran9910]

41mm is quite a huge jump in diameter though.

[@sinjinadams2862]

I wouldn't! I buy these watches specifically because they have the Seagull movements. I really love these movements especially with the display backs.

[@sinjinadams2862]

Reliability is a question I have. I own six watches with the ST19 movement and so far they are all working properly. They are all less than two years old and I wear them lightly. I think because of that mine will probably last awhile but for someone that wears their watches hard every day I wonder.

[@asdafasdaf69]

I have the black/white z dial and I love it. Interesting to see your bracelet came with screws as mine has split pins.

[@Assault0137]

I’ve been wanting this exact comparison video. Thanks Jody!

[@JasonTheWatchGuy]

Love the look of these! Funny enough, my favourite is the split dial, just a nice little piece of uniqueness

[@trelee9865]

I got one of these for Christmas, the "special bracelet" variant. I had been searching for a mechanical chronograph that didn't have a giant red star and non-english writing on the dial and as soon as I saw it, I knew I wanted it. And I can attest to all these points, I removed the bracelet the day after and haven't put it back on because the quality of the clasp seems far inferior to the rest of the watch, quickly swapped on a grey suede strap for the winter, but may look into swapping the clasp or the whole bracelet in time for summer. With the winding, it's relatively smooth, but no tactile or audible click that I've become accustomed to with my vintage collection, but better than the gritty miyota in my collection. I too am worried about the reliability, not only from what I've heard from others, but also because only a day or two into my ownership, the chrono hand stopped at 58 seconds and needed a shake to continue, since then I haven't had any issues like that again, but it is concerning right out of the box. Wears larger than the 37mm suggests, honestly feels larger than my 38mm SKX, actually a little large for my 36mm preference. At the end of the day, I love the look, it's got a bit of heft and wrist presence, the bracelet and clasp could've been better, but I'm glad I have the bracelet, I'm just not looking forward to the day that the movement goes out.

[@tablameister]

Thanks for the detailed video review. I might have to get one.

[@sunflash101]

I have had 3 Zenith El Primeros but never had the A384. I don't feel bad about buying a homage considering how much I've already supported the brand. Thanks for the coverage, Jody!

[@rickybobby5950]

Dr. Jodi! Why am I seeing so many Sugess lately? I bought a beautiful 1963 with an ST1780 automatic with an intricate dial design from the Sugess store and just purchased the cream dial Top Time homage a few days ago and have already spent a small fortune on straps for them both. I was so impressed with the details and dial finish and after seeing a few reviews of the Top Time (is it’s model number really Suchp005?? 💩🤣), I had to have one. I sold a San Martin type b that just wore too small for me to fund part of the ‘one more watch’ purchase that really didn’t need. 😊 It just seems that I have seen Sugess everywhere lately like I did San Martin last year and Pagani a few years before. I really love the one that I received and the dial face is stunning and the hands look to actually be thermally blued instead of painted and I put a blue w/cream stitched TAG style deployant strap on it is just stunning to look at. I can’t wait to get the other one as I have already received another TAG rally style strap in black/orange awaiting it’s arrival. I guess I’ll pass my time waiting on Just One More Watch! Thanks Dr. Jodi!

[@MichaelOCallaghan-fq4ej]

I'll wait for your review of the Zenith before I make up my mind.

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Ha! You might be waiting for a while....

[@macanbhaird1966]

White and Green versions are great! Love the shape. Thanks for this !

[@S-Ltd1000]

I've always steered clear of these Sea Gull chronos due to question marks over reliability but have caved in and will be getting a 1963 for my birthday next week. From what I've read they are fairly dependable, I just hope mine isn't one of the duds. The Russians did a similar thing with their 3133 Valjoux based chrono movement and my aviator 2 gave me no problems at all in the 10 years I owned it.

[@Dan-uo3pv]

I had a 1963. They're lovely watches for the price and the movement although antique is a pleasure to look at. Unfortunately although I treated it delicately the crown broke off one morning effectively writing the watch off. I did try a few places locally but they really weren't interested in working on it. In the end since it was in rotation with the rest of my collection it failed after very little use.

[@dietznutz1]

There is no need to worry because when you need to service it or it breaks you just buy a new one to put it

[@S-Ltd1000]

@@Dan-uo3pv this is what I'm concerned about. Having said there are many others that have had no problems at all. Luck of the draw I suppose.

[@Dan-uo3pv]

@@S-Ltd1000 Indeed it is. Some people have them for years with zero issues just luck of the draw when it comes to that Chinese QC.

[@sinjinadams2862]

That has always been a concern of mine. I own a number of these movements and I also treat them very delicately but these movements are hard to wind. They are very stiff and I'm always afraid I'm going to eventually break something winding them.

[@mr22guy]

I always thought that if I had a watch like this with the useless subdial at 6 (or one of those 24-hour subdials) I would open it up and reposition the hand of that dial to a second time zone.

[@LaFritePerreGoat]

Just came from the sugess Website to see who would have reviewed this exact one. And boom jody is here to help.

[@adamdorney5143]

Ive got the 1/2 white - 1/2 black dial on metal bracelet and absolutely love it

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Nice one Adam! That's a cool colour version.

[@ulestev]

The link goes to a Sugess page that features a watch that looks nothing like the watch reviewed

[@mrmagoo.3678]

oooh.. I was gonna get My Father one of the red star/sugess 1963's, but this style would fit Him perfectly! .. think I might even pick myself one of these up too.. thanks Jodie. :)

[@rong6422]

Awesome video. That blue panda and green are very eye catching! 🤤

[@watchalot919]

Love the green one on that strap. Don't normally wear direct homages, but at the right price would consider it. I have had the ST19 in three watches without issue, but maybe I have been lucky

[@sinjinadams2862]

I own six Seagull movements and haven't had a problem with any of them but they are all less than two years old.

[@JG-df7ve]

Thank you. I love these "save" review videos. Very nice options at affordable prices. Keep on the good work.

[@andrewduckworth4720]

The stainless bracelet model looks stunning. Not cheap though at 373NZD.

[@bagpiper]

That is a very sweet watch! Now I have to wait for an Ali Express sale.

[@mattsmiley8156]

I may have to get one of these down the road. I love this! But I just picked up a San Martin Tri Compax with the same movement. But i've always loved that Zenith case.

[@Emaratilfy]

They should smack a Meca-quartz in it for reliability (and lower the price accordingly). That would be a sweet deal.

[@tarasmathers7423]

Been eyeing this one for awhile now, Jody. I quite like a lot of what Sugess has to offer but still have yet to pull the trigger on one. Were I to though, I believe that this would be the one. Hopefully all is well w/ you down there in the "land down-under." Many blessings my friend. Cheers....

[@ikarugamoo]

First point, Spoedball 2 and Dan Malones beautiful art unless I’m mistaken! Second point, only found you 3 days ago and now obsessed with what to buy. Thanks 😂

[@AbdulRWatches]

Awesome offering, definitely an affordable way of getting that design. Thanks Jody 👍🏽

[@brianmsahin]

I do like this one, though I'm over my chronograph period, after buying three of them in 2022!

[@jamesblonde2271]

Quite annoyed they didn't offer the brown when I got my Panda, the greens fantastic too but I've alraedy bought two green watches last year. On the other hand I got both bracelet and strap. Very little coverage on these. Must say I love mine, it was this or the £100 more for the San Martin 62Mas Chrono. Final note the power reserve takes time and wear to come up, if you buy one and its only 20 hrs between winds dont panic, MY 63 did that too.

[@diamantissvigos6122]

Hi Jody, thank you for another review of a really beautiful watch. May I suggest that you ask Sugess to send you an air command homage? Now that is a looker!

[@ccr6042]

Thx for the review, I've seen it for a while but refrained from buying due to the movement : the six o'clock subdial is useless as it just replicates the hour hand. There are other movements from seafull they could have used, or maybe an asian 7750 clone...

[@DalePatten-x8e]

I like the looks and feel of the case and the price wasn't bad I figured. Wore it often at work. Sadly it stopped running on me one day after about 4 months of use, so the comment about dodgey QC is true in my case. I work on my own watches as a hobby so I took it as a chance to get into a chrono movement. Its been working fine ever since and its actually on my wrist right now as I type this. I eventually swapped to something with a 7750 copy in it for work use though as I didn't have to wind it every day(the crown really is hard to get a good grip on for me).

[@carazable]

Looks nice. Especially in Paachi green color dial & matching canvas strap. Should have had a date window at 4'o clock. Proportions are also perfect.

[@chrispekel5709]

The movement doesn't have a date wheel

[@islandterror5198]

Green one looks great , but , the last Sugess I had went boing ⚰️ after the first ten gentle winds . So you're correct, you are saving me monies ! 💸 👍

[@Lawrence64]

Boy oh boy...this is going to cost me some money 🤑

[@landinhardy7682]

Steeldive now uses a very similar, if not the exact same clasp on their SD1953 including the gaps

[@Huwberts_Emporium]

Funny, I just checked your channel to check for a new video and lo and behold, 52 seconds ago, beauty!

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Boom! Your wish is my command.

[@NicolasLakoff]

Hey Jody,, great review, these are cracking watches but I'm heartbroken that they are 37mm, waaayyy to small for my 8 inch wrist. Can we hope that Sugess reads the comments and makes a 42mm or more version?? One can only hope.

[@TommiAtah]

Would love the watch without a chronograph complication. The case is a great shape and size is just right.

[@captbumbler5356]

Hi Jody, Great review. Very nice looking watches I have a seagull 1963 with sapphire, after your recommendation so may have a look at one of these later in year when my wallet has recovered from Christmas.

[@dimonlind]

Ordered one the other day.... Can't wait to get it

[@homeboi4159]

You should definitely check out the vintage-style chronographs from sugess, the ones that look similar to furlan marri (which copied patek).

[@Nome_utente_generico]

Jodie, please review a Poljot!

[@Cameron-d5u]

Looks like you can’t get these anymore??

[@Jake-bt3fc]

I bought a sugess chrono once and one of the hands fell off after a few months. I took it to a shop to get it fixed, paid 84 bucks, then it fell right off again.

[@joelhenderson4450]

I’d be quite keen for a JOMW-OzzyMan cross-over episode. Not sure how that could come about.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

It's an attractive watch that I would consider buying. Nice pick.

[@SpecialAgentBuzz]

Awesome speedball t-shirt

[@SteveBiedermann]

Anything in this style with the mechaquartz? That would be awesome

[@Bluepeter62]

The 12hr subdial is supposed to show chrono time, that is what the Zenith El Primero does. This one is just a small hour hand, completely useless. At least they could have made it 24 h.

[@dimonlind]

Chrono time in hours?

[@Bluepeter62]

Yes, it's quite common for good chronographs. If you want to time your marathon run 30 minutes just won't do.

[@percussion44]

Hey, how about something completely different from all the Sub lookalikes etc? Jaeger Lecoultre Master Ultra thin Moon. Sharp looking watch.

[@a_z.tazzzfan8497]

Enjoyed the vid, Jody ⌚😎🤙 Unfortunately, neither the strap or bracelet will fit my 7.875" - 8" wrist. 🤔😒 Even though micro adjustments would be lost, I believe a butterfly clasp would be a better option for the bracelet. For the strap model, I'd immediately replace the buckle with a fold over deployment clasp.

[@Lanciarules]

Your SPEEDBALL II t-shirt Is great

[@alb6804]

I really like the back of the watch!!

[@WparuSlowach]

You said Mido is not brand that you are interested. I want you to try Mido Multifort 38mm or Patrimony line (three hands or chronograph). Amazing quality and value for money. I hope these models will change your mind. Regards!

[@antsfur]

Lovely watch

[@cjcar63]

Almost pulled the trigger on the Panda version a few days ago. I ended up going with a more expensive Iron Watch Vintage Water Ghost Submariner No-Date, (2X the price... EEEHHH!). Call me crazy... I know. But I have never been able to satisfy my desire for an affordable, vintage Sub No-Date. I do own the hard to find Phylida Speedmaster homage which I am very pleased with. With my Certina DS-2 that makes two chronos, and I just couldn't see adding a third to my collection. I never really seem to use the chrono functions much at all anyway. That said, this Sugess is an extremely handsome timepiece. Something tells me that at some point in the future the Panda version might find its way to my mailbox in the States. Dr. J., if you are interested in selling the Panda let me know ; )

[@engineering_guy]

They have a Blancpain air command type one.. it looks really nice@

[@d2dahaka]

I pulled the trigger on the white dial + bracelet version after seeing this video.

[@bigboiganiga8356]

I would want to buy one if it is a quartz chronograph. There is something about mechanical chrono that I dont trust.

[@JS-ev4xc]

This is a better choice for affordable mechanical chrono compared to 1963. At least there is a decent brand stamped on it, if homage is fine with you. Non-Sea-Gull-produced 1963 is so muddled that we don't even know which brands make them.

[@jackdaw3173]

Strange how some 37s wear...the king seiko is the same..doesn't appear as small on wrist as you would expect.

[@rainappleby]

Make a video about top 10 Best ORIGINAL designs of Homage makers, like Paganis and San Martin haha

[@johndesmond1987]

It would be very interesting to see a review of the Sugess chrono with the 7750 movement. As far as I know, it's the only Chinese chrono with a real 12 hour register, rather than a useless space filler such as this watch has.

[@yatcheungericchan5118]

Have been waiting for you to review a Sugess watch to see if it is good. But I jumped the gun and bought a moon phase master on last 11.11😁

[@donnyboon2896]

Yes

[@jorgerobles628]

Nice Video!!!!! The watch really look very similar to the Zenith, but the dial at "6" is not a register because it does not accumulate hours when the chronograph is activated, like in the Zenith. That dial is just there to show the running hours of the general dial, and that's it. The Chinese had never implemented the full capability of this movement, what a shame........

[@earthenjadis8199]

The A384 and A386 Zenith chronographs are watches I would one day like to own. Makes me sad to see these Chinese knock-offs, but I guess somebody buys them.

[@philspencelayh5464]

Like the 1963, no practical value but aesthetically very pleasing as of course is the Zenith. Hard to think of a downside.

[@AlexanderB.]

These watches are so nice! Although, or maybe because I own a 1963 as a collector's piece I'm just a little worried about the Seagull movement being suitable for an everyday watch. So I'd much prefer this with a meca quartz VK 63.

[@sinjinadams2862]

I'm just the opposite. I buy these watches specifically because they have the Seagull movement. I wouldn't want them with a quartz movement.

[@AlexanderB.]

@@sinjinadams2862 That's fair. Maybe the should do both?

[@ayupmeducks7609]

Before this video starts, i just want to say, "WOW, you pump out video's like thers no tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work Jody. Now back to the video, i'll comment later.......Well, i like the watch but not the movement.

[@dangerpowers123]

Is that T-shirt the faces from the Chaos Engine Amiga game?

[@alexfrans1267]

Mine is the green dial, love it

[@rainernunritter]

The movement of my Sugess Revival did go defect after one week of usage. The attempt to get in contact if the seller ended in a never ending flood of harmful mails (phishing etc) but not in a new watch.

[@redbarchetta8782]

I wish you'd do more Sugess watches. This appears to the be the only Sugess review you've done. :(

[@CyberSammael]

Is that 6 o'clock sub-dial slaved to the hour hand, or can you set it independently and use it to almost track a second time zone?

[@sinjinadams2862]

Slaved

[@CyberSammael]

@@sinjinadams2862 That's a shame.... and a missed opportunity.

[@markmahood3093]

T shirt - Speedball 2! Ice cream. Ice cream.....

[@bradfoust50]

I got one, my first Manual watch, my first mechanical chronograph, my first Chinese watch. At first it was a disaster, I struggled just to get the bracelet sized the pins were so hard to get off and back on, and the canvas band was just trash. But after wearing it on the bracelet, I'm starting to really like it. It is the smallest watch I've ever worn, but it makes up for it with the 2 pushers and the crown. Almost everything in this video is right, except mine came with pins instead of screws, and the case is like a pelican case that it came in. thanks for your video, I probably wouldn't have tried it.

[@penguincustard1]

Wait, is that a Speedball tshirt? Brings back fond memories if it is.

[@TerrySteiner]

So is the 6 o'clock subdial adjustable or is it locked to the hour hand? Could you use it to track a second time zone?

[@DjKayD]

Thanks im going to sell my house and get a cardboard box. Genius saving strategy !