SawStop Promises to Give Away Their Patent!

[@terry5008]

If everyone puts SawStop on their saws, then how the hell am I supposed to cut my hot dogs?

[@homelee665]

Out here asking the important questions!

[@2dawgsmiked684]

😂😂😂

[@cashmir316]

Keep you old saw for the dogs and brats, new saw for your fingers lol

[@Tool-Collector]

With a KnifeStop

[@markkempton4579]

Curious where your HF comments are coming from. Their response to the commission says clearly that the commission is requiring two features (detection and mitigation), both of which are protected for a long time by SawStop. They went on to say that even if the FRAND patents are licensed, it will price entry-level saws out of the market, resulting in consumers taking other measures to avoid the higher prices. I don't recall them saying "they can't". Can you link to that document? Thanks! In addition, until today, SawStop has refused any requests to license the technology to other companies. One asked as recently as 2023 if I recall. I wonder who pushed the turnaround, or did they just suddenly develop a Volvo conscience?

[@dracphelan]

Until Sawstop signs binding legal paperwork, I would not count on them letting the public go to the public. Them just saying they will let it go to the public has the same weight as a politician's promises.

[@embracethesuck1041]

They're not going to do something that loses them money. They have an angle and it won't be to the benefit of the consumer.

[@thetechq]

It would make more sense to require saws to be labeled with what safety features they have/don’t have. Mandating a feature for someone doesn’t need on a saw they might use 4x a year is not a good decision. If I was using it 100x per day the feature makes sense as the risk is much higher.

[@Twicethelimit]

SawStop's decision to provide safety features might be driven by their desire to become a dominant manufacturer and potentially private label their saws. It's not uncommon for companies to make strategic moves in the market.

[@chucks4328]

I'm genuinely split on this one. I detest the government meddling with basically anything. I also had a close call with a table saw a couple years ago. I had been working a lot of overtime and was really tired and had no business in the shop. I was trying to get some projects done before Christmas. It's a scary thing when you have to work up the nerve to look down and see how many fingers you're missing. I was extremely lucky and didn't even get a scratch. I remember that feeling every time I turn that saw on to this day and keep safety in mind before going near the switch.

[@Nanan00]

SawStop is the reason we don't have more saws with safety equipment on them, they actively sued to keep the Bosch saw out of stores and kept the B&D version from every hitting the USA. As far as I am concerned SawStop is responsible for every table saw injury since 2000 as they could have been prevented and saw safety systems could have been common place if not for them.

[@MemelordSupreme]

So true and they keep hiding behind the whole "we tried to license it but no one wanted to buy it" rhetoric.. Thing is, it was over 20 years ago and the saw space was WAY different than it is now. PLUS! Brands have reached out multiple times to try and license the tech from them. Saw Stop REFUSED to license it. So they really are the guilty party here. They want a monopoly and now that it's looking like they may have to give up some of their share, they are trying to scramble and find as many loopholes and avenues they can make more money out of the situation.

[@danbates5423]

Yep no, Bosch could have sold in us since 2018, came out in same hearing, research sir agreement with ss

[@MisterMcCafferty]

You forgot to mention that companies like HF reached out to SawStop about their tech and were denied. SawStop is looking to make money only in this.

[@scottmorris4914]

I watched a video on this, showing the “committe’. One of the guys says that while using your tablesaw you should be wearing gloves, and that it is unsafe to not wear them. Which is ridiculous, He definitely was a “self-proclaimed” expert as a woodworker.

[@BuffaloChicken]

100% agree Bear! All bad guys looking to cash in on safety.

[@DonaldWiseman-qf4rr]

I can't say I totally agree with you. I have never worked for a woodworking tool manufacturer. However, I have spent 45 years working in the machine tool industry. Even if Sawstop opens one of their patents to the public domain, that doesn't make it easy to install in every table saw. Adding this type of technology is not that easy. The existing saw platforms will have to be redesigned and retooled to accommodate the device. Obviously, there will have to be a ton of testing done to prove that the device will protect the consumer. Do you have any idea how much a UL certification costs? That's an ongoing cost that never goes away, unless you stop manufacturing the approved device. I know exactly how much it costs. I disagree that the Sawstop mechanism can be added for $50. There are lots costs, unrelated to the material and labor of the safety device itself, that the manufacturer cannot absorb. That will be added to the cost of the saw. If the federal government mandates it, you can look forward to their involvement and watch it turn into the $10,000 toilet seat that Army purchases. Saw prices will go up substantially. The one area where you and I agree is that the saw manufacturers won't be able to afford the mandate, especially those supplying the lowesr cost saws to the DIYer, Construction job site and hobbyists. Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening.

[@MemelordSupreme]

I agree with part of what you're saying but one thing to keep in mind is, most of these saws in the more budget category like jobsite saws and "contractor" saws are all made by a handful of OEMs, each brand will have them customized in their color scheme with their logo on it. But in the end they are practically all the same machines made by the same factories. So once one or two of these OEMs have the tooling, all of the saw are going to be able to be manufactured quite easily and will cost them roughly the same per brand to manufacture. Thre might be some overhead at first but most of them will come out and be the same prices within $25-50 of each other. Take a look at the Grizzly, Rikon & Oliver saws for example, they are exactly the same saw to the T. Everything about them is identical. The only difference is price. Oliver is the most expensive, followed by grizzly and then Rikon. The same goes for the Delta, Ridgid, Jet, and Rikon "Contractor" saw, those are also identical and well within the same price range. Because all of these brands use the same darn OEM and designs. It kind of sucks actually because there aren't many actually making their own unique saws based off of their own designs. I hate that aspect about the tool industry. Heck Harvey used to manufacture Grizzly's cabinet saws before they started making thier own. Now their own saws rule the roost but you can still see some similarities between the Harvey and Grizzly, even though the Harvey is better. One thing the tool industry really needs is some individualism and original designs. Someone to break the mold.

[@TurdFerguson149]

Do you have any idea how much it costs for medical care after your finger gets cut off by a table saw?

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

Both Bosch and the power tool institute came up with better and cheaper ways to achieve the same goal, but we've allowed the patenting of vague concepts as well as slapping old inventions onto each other and calling it something new.

[@a9ball1]

I think the price of new saws will skyrocket. Today's companies are strictly profit driven. Also the price of used saws will skyrocket because people won't be able to afford the new ones so the market for older ones will go up. If you can remember that in 1975 when new cars had to be unleaded it drove up the price for the new 74's that hadn't sold yet. My dad told me back then to stay away from unleaded gas because it ruins your valves. Saws like my 1 year old DeWalt 7491 will cost an arm and a leg. The only way to do it is for the government to own the technology needed to make them safe and give manufacturers a rebate for awhile to make them. Like we have for going electric.

[@lordcupkake]

Nearly 4 minutes of ad is absolutely unreal. and no timestamp? brother you're breaking my back here ~4:25 if you're interested

[@TheUnofficialMaker]

9:41 so. you want your table saw to cut off when you touch any metallic part..It's more complicated than. you think.

[@vmoutsop]

Yeah but ladder injuries are over three times the table saw injuries, yeah, that makes sense.

[@oriolephan]

Go to a public school you will find a saw stop table saw.

[@EcoMouseChannel]

I actually liked the Bosch REAXX tech... it made so much more sense to just drop the blade from a users point of view. And it made business sense for Bosch to sell cartridge actuators for ever. (Which if I remember correctly, it's nearly the same thing they use for their own airbag designs... so it wasn't like they totally reinvented the wheel, but merely 'parts binned' from their own internal catalog)

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

Exactly. And the power tool institute came up with an even cheaper system that used ramset cartridges iirc. Sawstop was allowed to file a patent on decades old technology and claim it was new and novel.

[@m3rdpwr]

I needed a table saw several years ago, but I didn't feel like spending the money on a saw stop. So I bought a DeWalt 7491 RS. I only used it a few times, and it's been sitting for quite a while. If they can come out with an affordable saw with saw stop technology, I'm happy to buy one.

[@datsun4x]

The part that you're missing with Gass is that he was trying to get 10-15% (iirc) of retail price for his patent use by manufacturers. I'm not positive on the percentage, but I remember it was cost prohibitive. I was consulting on shop spec, design and layout at the time and there was a huge amount of discord in the industry when he initially tried to sue to make companies comply

[@denoftools]

No, I understand what he did and I have done several videos covering the saga of Sawstop over the last 8 years. But that is kind of the way our system is setup. If you go through the struggle of creating something new you own it and have the right to profit from it. And you say this like that percentage is too high. What do you think Dewalt has been doing to everyone else over their patent on the geared fence system?

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

@@denoftools He didn't create something new; he slapped technology from the mid-20th century onto technology from the early 20th century. That percentage IS too high, especially when he was refusing any liability for "his" technology.

[@jimrosson6702]

Great video it will be interesting to see what happens.

[@trailblazer632]

How about no? If you want to purchase a saw with the safety feature great. You have no right to legislatively REQUIRE that i buy a saw with such technology. Stop giving the government more power. You ALWAYS fuckin regret it.

[@davidpeters8813]

So the govt shouldn't require airbags, ABS and seat belts in cars either? 🤔

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

​​​@@davidpeters8813no. The market should. Stop treating us like children. We can make our own choices, we don't need uncle Sam to hold our hand. I'm all for making the patent public domain and allowing companies to implement this technology if they so choose, and if they can make it at a decent price and the market accepts it, then they will make it, but I don't need the government forcing it.

[@novastar7654]

​@@davidpeters8813yes absolutely, should we outlaw motorcycle too?

[@trailblazer632]

@davidpeters8813 no. They shouldnt. Freedom comes with risk. My uncle would have been killed in his teenage car wreck had he been wearing his seatbelt at the time. Just because something is generally a good idea doesnt mean it has no faults. The less people are aware of dangers the less they pay attention and the more complacent they become. And the more dangerous they act. Its why so many people drive like idiots. They rely on all of those extras like lane departure warnings auto braking self driving backup cameras etc etc. In my own life abs has almost caused me to crash more than once. I prefer to make my choices on my own. If you want those things you habe every ability to buy them. I should be able to ignore them.

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

​@@davidpeters8813I've been having issues with my abs for over a year now and every time I think it's fixed it isn't. It has cost my thousands that I wouldn't have had to pay if it wasn't there sensing things that aren't happening.

[@garymiller5937]

I for one sincerely appreciate the way you laid out all of the information you gathered and the way in which you presented it. And I wholly agree with you, for what that means to anyone. You pointed out that it was all about hurt feelings, or lack of respect, and also money. I think everyone should be paid for their inventions, but how much should they be paid? And how much money does a person really need? When you have a few million dollars isn't that reasonably enough to live on? Believe it or not you really don't NEED to keep up with anyone else! You c😢an only live in one house at a time, etc., etc. That's all I'm saying. Sorry for running on Jeff, but life isn't about money. 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@gypsydildopunks7083]

I've known lots of homeowners who Bought a table saw and started Hotdoging. Now they have less fingers. One guy got one for Christmas and a couple days later cut diagonal, half his hand off. The pictures will make you puke.

[@MrBobisadog]

My saw activated the stop. Blade was fine. It was the Orange CMT. A Diablo may have been ruined.

[@scottyV1000]

It wasn’t that long ago that you could get a contractor size saw for $600. Since Sawstop came out the price of table saws have gone through the roof since they set the upper level so high. My old Craftsman saw will outlast me. The only thing it could use is a better fence. There are plenty of feather boards and push sticks to keep your hand away from the blade. I love those magloc feather boards.

[@HRConsultant_Jeff]

My concern is that once the "safety" equipment is in place, people will not follow the same safety routines they should be doing already. And, when China and others start making the new technology given away by SawStop, how do we know it is as good as the original? Capacitors can be good and bad. Cheap or expensive.

[@a9ball1]

You know, you are probably right. If the saw is safer I don't have to be so careful, right. I can see people using table saws in a very stupid way thinking that they will be protected. Makes sense!

[@aaronthehandyman7714]

Gonna buy another cheap one now before this makes them unaffordable

[@Flynn_Stones]

Wait for the closeout deals, they'll have to start progressively liquidating their current inventory of them before this goes into effect

[@YouTubeYouTubeYouTube726]

I got confused at first because this is a tool Chanel, and at first I read saw stop as game stop

[@denoftools]

Don't even get me started on GameStop!

[@DonaldWiseman-qf4rr]

Just an added statement. I think the technology is great. However, if the consumer wants to purchase it, by all means, do. If Sawstop or others want to expand the capabilities and improve it, all the better. I DO NOT believe this should be mandated by the government and forced on everyone. It's a personal choice. If I chose not to have it and get hurt in the process, that was my decision.

[@davidketterer5519]

100% agree. Tools and certain products are inherently dangerous and you can't fix or legislate somebody from being stupid.

[@maximusmagni1]

Bear, you don't understand what Harbor Freight means when they say "Design". Design refers to how a product looks and the ergonomics. It's essentially the artistic portion of product development. Design allows a company to sell the same basic product through multiple brands. "Engineering" refers to the technical portion of product development. This is standard across many industries, including automotive. If someone works as an automotive designer, they went to art school, not engineering school.

[@denoftools]

Nope that is not what "design" means in this case. I know because I have direct contact with the people doing it. I'm pretty sure I even have a video showing it.

[@baydog22566]

You are probably spot on

[@clarencesmith2305]

I have a makita miter saw and it has a break that slows the blade down to a stop in like 3 or 6 seconds. Now everyone could use that tech along with the split second blade drop, just saying.

[@DavidLee-cw6ci]

Lol 3 seconds and four of your fingers are gone, that's way too slow

[@justinsgarage1125]

Is this just for table saws, or for all spinning blade saws? If it’s just for table saws, I’m not sure too many companies, harbor freight included, would lose out too much if they stopped selling table saws.

[@ProxyFinal]

This is going to make it more expensive and safe. My main concern, how are you going to deal with it when it breaks on you at the job site. Like what’s the down time to get it replaced? I would assume service needs to be readily available.

[@denoftools]

The Bosch system takes less then on minute to reset.

[@ProxyFinal]

@@denoftools so this could be self serviced?

[@michaelbuddy]

@@denoftools and bosh isn't giving away their patents.

[@boossersgarage3239]

be prepared.... LOL

[@denoftools]

@@ProxyFinal Yes, both the Bosch and the SawStop are designed for self service.

[@justinsgarage1125]

Gov’t regulation is a slippery slope…what else will be done for our protection? Table saws have extra safety measures built in already: riving knives, blade protection covers with anti kickback teeth, the microjig push block and/or push sticks. When you use a table saw it comes with inherent risks and if you choose to remove or not use the safety measures that came with the saw, why should the company be held liable for your negligence? From what I’ve seen, Most contractor/construction companies are required to have table saw like the sawstop anyway by either OSHA and/or their insurance…which, if you’re using the saw on a daily basis for hours at a time, it may behoove you to have one of these and is worth the investment; the likelihood of accidents goes up significantly. For a small time guy or avid DIY’er with a healthy respect for the saw and safety, it might be overkill. At any rate, it should be left up to the consumer to decide what works best for them and their budget.

[@danr1920]

I would not want to decide this law. It is possible to have too much safety, that is, too expensive so people use old warn out stuff that is less safe than new. Good for saw stop.

[@norm5785]

SawStop will permit after a certain number of years from the date of full implementation ordered by any new regulation. Until then they will get paid.

[@trailblazer632]

Doesnt sawstop drop because of the brake hitting the blade and the accrued momentum forcing the blade down?

[@saigyl9149]

the only time sawstop should have been required was in that jigsaw scene, i did not need to see that arm sliced up like that

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

Numerous companies tried to license the tech and sawstop has always refused and even sued companies like Bosch that tried to invent similar tech. This will increase the price of saws drastically and I'm absolutely against the government wanting to treat me like a child. Let me choose what saw I want. Oh and btw, the studies they use to justify this regulation doesnt differentiate the different injuries, most injuries happen from kickback which sawstop does nothing to prevent. Even when bosch did a survey of customers if they'd prefer to buy a normal table saw or flesh sensing saw, like 80+% would prefer the normal saw, and even today sawstop makes a very small portion of the market, people will buy what they feel like is the superior product and people are just not buying sawstop in any significant numbers. The government needs to keep its fingers out of everything, it needs to stop treating us like children, and it needs to let the market decide what is successful and what's not. I 100% oppose this legislation. The ONLY thing i would accept is allowing the flesh sensing patent to become public domain, and from there, the individual companies can decide to implement it or not, they will make it if people want it and its profitable, let the market be free.

[@davidpeters8813]

Actually, NO - numerous companies REJECTED the offer to license sawstop technology, which is why Steve Gass started making his own table saws.....

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

@@davidpeters8813 yes because at the time those companies believed that the technology was too expensive and people would not pay for the saws, which surprise surprise remains true as sawstop has some of the lowest market share of table saws. People don't want to buy them because they're too expensive. Later companies like Stanley requested to license the tech, to which sawstop refused. And they have refused every single licensing request since they started making their saws.

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

​@@davidpeters8813yes, because at the time those companies believe the technology was too expensive and people wouldn't want to buy it, which surprise surprise is actually true as sawstop today has some of the lowest market share, people don't want to buy them because they're too expensive. After sawstop started making their saws, they have denied every single licensing request made

[@Erik_The_Viking]

@@davidpeters8813 He was forced to make saws because you're required to defend your patents - he had to create a saw or else he would've lost it. He also asked a lot of money and everyone said no.

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

Why does KZbin keep deleting my comments every time I try to reply to someone it just deletes it. Sorry our corporate overlords won't allow me to have a conversation with you

[@benculp922]

When does the patent actually expire? I've read else different ranges from already expired to 2033.

[@denoftools]

The original patents have already expired but they filed extensions as well as connected patents.

[@CarrackPilot]

This is just a mess. Just opening these patents does not mean we will get these saws over night. It allows the companies to design saws that can handle this technology. They still need to develop it and that takes YEARS.

[@kimvette1]

Good. Maybe when Hazard Fire comes out with the next revision of the Hercules tablesaw with the retraction system, maybe they'll extend the arbor so it can accept a dado set? **update** I've been putting off some projects for ages because of my crappy table saw, saw that HF had the Hercules on sale for $299 so I decided to just go with it - and bought the sevice plan so when any update comes out, it will hopefully have a happy accident and die, prompting a free upgrade, er, I mean warranty exchange.

[@varmint243davev7]

Is the sound out of sync ?

[@Ethnosis]

Sawstop comes out on top either way. They will make some kind of contract or such where they need manufactures to buy there sawstop cartridges and have the monopoly that way.

[@badboyoak]

I think you are wrong on this one. I believe the cost will go up more than you think.

[@hosocat1410]

I disagree with the mandate. But im pretty hardcore anti regulation. If you use your seat belt you dont need an air bag in your car. Likewise if you use a push stick you wont lose a finger on your zaw. Where does the nanny state stop? It wont.

[@Stixies]

Sure….but does your car have both and beep at you when the belt isn’t clicked? Just saying… you can’t stop them from making safety regulations.

[@jacobwrona]

I can't wait for all table saws to cost $2000.

[@Flashman36175]

Good video. You are not to jaded.

[@tomcop668]

Too bad they would force this on the pharmaceutical companies

[@JB-xp8xl]

Hate to go off topic, but is there a PEX crimper you recommend for the DYI'er? I need to buy one soon and thought I would check. I searched your videos but did not find one on the topic.

[@denoftools]

LOL, I use the powered ones from Ryobi.

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

I can't even make comments about saws without them being deleted, I think today is the day I delete KZbin, I'm tired of the censorship, do you have a Rumble channel bear?

[@denoftools]

I don't, sorry.

[@SweeturKraut]

This whole saw stop thing for table saws is only the start. If the government can require this safety system on table saws then every other saw will be next. The government won’t stop until every circ saw, recip saw, mitre saw etc. are so unaffordable due to excessive safety features, NO ONE but the biggest contractors will be able to afford tools. No more DIY, no more weekend warriors, no more handy men! I realize this is a big hyperbolic, but it could happen.

[@mattburns2968]

Lets make a saw like a subscription service! Yeah it saves your fingers, but so does being careful.

[@MemelordSupreme]

All I hope is if someone else manages to implement the AIM system, I sure hope they make a BETTER saw than sawstop, because quite frankly, their saws kind of suck. Anything below their top-tier cabinet saw is just pure garbage and not worth what they charge for them.

[@oscar.gonzalez]

No 5 day waiting period or mandatory training and certification required prior to purchasing a table saw?😂

[@ST-0311]

Dude! Shut up! If they hear you we're all screwed. Remember, it's only absurd until a government geek takes it seriously.

[@FiOSFellow]

Considering that most people remove a table saw's adjustable hood guard, a SawStop guarding system is the only viable solution.

[@michaeljmcdulin2040]

I agree and disagree. I think it will have the same progression as the old tube TV transition to a big screen or a plasma TV. The first half dozen versions will double or triple the price. Then, eventually, when everyone gets the technology, and mass produces them. They might come back down to a decent price, but they might not ever get back to pre government intervention prices. Especially if they try, and put the technology on everything with a blade. You might not ever see another decent $10 HF Sawzall again. Also, where does this end? Angle grinders, concrete saws, sawzall, dremel, and the list goes on and on....

[@maximusmagni1]

Saying the SawStop brakes arent needed isnt entirely accurate. Just dropping the blade will prevent a loss of limb, but you will still get a seious cut and probably need stitches. There is a youtube video demonstrating this.

[@steveb319]

No thanks. Will just drive up the cost of all table saws.

[@thetank2078]

Yet another unfortunate consequence of the “interstate commerce” clause. As much as I am for the right of the consumer to make the decision that makes the most sense to them, Congress has the authority to regulate this. 🤮

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

Except that "interstate commerce" has been so warped and twisted that SCOTUS itself will claim with a straight face that it applies to not engaging in commerce of any kind.

[@loufaiella3354]

I dont use these saws........................... However If I did I wouldn't mind losing a blade or even the entire saw vs my body parts!! A few hundred dollars is nothing compared to lost work and medical costs. Also If I owned a business where my people needed these machines I would have as much safety as possible. That will be a savings long term. We dont need no stinkin' govt regulations!!

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

You would mind losing them over a false positive though, which sawstops are somewhat known for. The power tool institute came up with a system that a) doesn't destroy the blade and b) costs pennies per activation. But sawstop was allowed to re-patent technology from the mid-20th century.

[@jhondoe1483]

Why not make it a osha requirement and leave the consumer market alone

[@matthewryan9323]

I'm definitely of the opinion that IF the government goes ahead with the mandate, then they need to do 2 things: Invalidate/expire/whatever a boatload of the SawStop patents, either directly, or via a much more simplified means of working it out between the companies (hey - maybe make the *companies* go to binding arbitration with each other over it, lol); and second, they need to provide a legal indemnity to the manufacturers (et al) against lawsuits of the "oh, you knew there was this safety device, and you COULD have licensed it, and you didn't, so you're responsible for my injury!" variety for all saw models introduced to the market before the mandate is announced (not begun, so there's less gaming of the system, but it would cover all saws manufactured before that date so long as it was an existing model at the time of the announcement). Alternately, the government should mandate a nominal licensing fee structure for the SawStop patents if they're not going to invalidate them. I'd suspect that's part of the rationales behind the other companies' current stances - some of it's true, some of it's as a bargaining position.

[@JacobNeff-oq5km]

The problem is that sawstop was allowed to patent a touch lamp... which have been around since the 50s. It isn't magically new and novel to repurpose old technology.

[@DeleteriousEffect]

Make America Less Nubby!

[@maxhorner2409]

Sounds like Volvo with seat belts

[@rexseven6907]

The idea that the government can make reasonable, affordable saws illegal for consenting, responsible, tax paying adults to use is outrageous. That 99% of people aren't outraged by it is actually the real problem.

[@notme232]

On the flip side, the cost savings to the heath care industry, which is in part funded by tax payers, will be insane. Every mangle hand that is saved, is medial resources that can be applied elsewhere. I don't like government intervention any more than the next guy, but with out it we'd all still be painting with lead and insulating with asbestos.

[@randallcarver6950]

How many table saw incidents each year? 30K How many circular saw incidents each year? 40K How many chain saw incidents each year? 36K How many car accidents each year ? 7.3 million I mean chit happens and the govt making things too expensive for Joe blow to purchase to make a living is BS you know Bear maybe sawstop will send you a saw to test but a lot of people making cabinets to support their families won’t be given a sawstop to see if it saves their finger govt over reach is govt over reach. Maybe they should take everyone’s guns away as well. That is just another tool as well

[@beammeupscotty9874]

My sentiments exactly!!!!!

[@patrickjoy9551]

I could not have said it better. The government involvement NEVER makes things better. Just more expensive.

[@dancooper6002]

@@notme232 False, two wrongs don't make a right. Tax dollars should not be funding a private good like healthcare in the first place, the right thing to do is remove the government from both. Second, Lead paint and Asbestos are both safe and effective when used properly. The risk of both has been vastly blown out of proportion by lawyers looking to make Billions in settlements that bankrupted AMERICAN manufacturers and resulted in the entire industry moving to China.

[@beammeupscotty9874]

Aura. Never say No to serendipity Bear. :)

[@denoftools]

I had to learn that lesson the hard way but learn it I did.

[@LatitudeSky]

These tool companies are all about bragging about their engineering prowess and design skill, and how good they are. And yet here we are now and they whine about how gosh darn difficult it is and will take years to do. Either you're super awesome engineers or you aren't. Pick one. Don't pretend you suddenly forgot how to make tools. Look, how many saw companies actually have unique saw designs, versus how many reuse designs or source a saw from someone else who did the design? You've got 20-30 brands, maybe, but it's probably only a handful of actually different designs under the plastic case. All the guys using the same factories HF get their design from that one source so there's one or two designs for all of those saws. Is it really THAT hard to redo both of those and then everybody downstream gets the update? Come on. All the Black & Decker brands = ONE design for all. Same for TTI, TechTool, etc. All those part sources in Shenzhen will supply this stuff too. Best price! Best price! You buy now! Best price!

[@jamesu]

The SawStop cabinet saw is a great tool. I did have a single misfire while cutting pinewood derby car blocks. No one was near the blade but it fired anyway. I purchased one of the first versions when my kids wanted to be in my shop. I would love to see further deployment/development of this technology into other power tools.

[@boossersgarage3239]

sounds legit.

[@pharmdiddy5120]

Hate to say it but i can see your take on this as 100% the most likely situation. Everyone is just looking for excuses

[@darksahde]

create a problem, and sell the solution. the truest way to create wealth. also anything can sold in the name of safety

[@Win52D]

While I hate seeing the gov't stick its nose into areas where it doesn't belong I am glad that this technology may become widespread. As you said, SawStop destroys blades whereas Bosch found a way around it. Imagine the new solutions if the industry engineers have free reign to develop. I am not opposed to spending a few hundred dollars more to get this safety feature; You pay more than that for a trip to Urgent Care or the ER. Now, if they could just adapt that technology to stop kickbacks as well 😂

[@joelrodriguez9661]

A free market wouldn't have the government regulating this.

[@noel1300]

Hows living in Montana

[@Nightshade-dh9fm]

It was 60+ degrees three days ago, snowed a foot and dropped to nearly 0 degrees the last two days and now it's 60 and sunny again with no signs it ever snowed....so I'd say bipolar lol. Montana is awesome though.

[@denoftools]

Lets not forget the wind that is right now trying to lift off my shop with me in it!

[@josephpadula2283]

Work under osha rules ? Sawstop . Everyone else? Darwin .

[@DergEnterprises]

I have a Sawstop PCS. Buying a new blade is much cheaper than a missing finger. People need to stop being whine babies.

[@stephendavis7812]

Jeff, I don't think you have a real grasp of the tech involved. Your lamp example is not really relevant. The reaction time is so much different it places it in a whole other category. It is expensive and the way the patents were written it's very well protected. When others tried, they were sued out of the saw stop business. The Government probably shouldn't mandating this, individual requirements can always be debated, but blank application of "safety" requirements is BS. Those requirements are expensive. You can price folks out ...and then the cheaper safety items that come with new saws today, like a riving blade...they don't get purchased because the price of required safety features such as this saw-stop tech can be so prohibitive that people will keep using their really old 1950's saws or maybe even a radial arm saw. YIKES...NOW THATS SCARY.

[@evildead1791]

This is terrible news, im sick of these safety nazis demanding government intervention. Screw saw stop and screw the government

[@notajp]

They’ll take my vintage Unisaw when they pry it from my cold dead hands……

[@gypsydildopunks7083]

Yeah Buddy

[@caj122892]

Government overreach

[@roundcheesewheel]

Win win for everyone 👍 Cant wait to buy one of these from Milwaukee once they integrate the technology.

[@ginomaneri9703]

Still makes saws more expensive. The government needs to get out of our home. It’s one thing if they want OSHA compliant companies to have them that’s one thing but not for the personal user.

[@TheUnofficialMaker]

sawstop makes their money on saw blades lol

[@sseilheimer396]

👏

[@Actio83]

Ffs 4 min ad! Get to the content

[@Erik_The_Viking]

They're just trying to save face because they've been milking their patents for years, and now finally see the end coming up. They knew that this would be an uphill battle. I would also like to see what about all of the other patents and extensions that they have? Capacitive touch isn't new as you mentioned - Bosch made a much better system than SawStop.

[@notajp]

And Bosch shouldn’t have lost that lawsuit. Their system was not the same as the sawstop system. Totally bogus!,

[@Erik_The_Viking]

@@notajpAgreed - they were very likely srtongarmed into not only dropping it but also probably being told not to develop anything so Sawstop would have a monopoly

[@williame.6965]

I think you nailed it on the corporate gaming of the technology.