SCHF43 Jessica X FAILED at BATONING!

[@MarkRuslinzski]

Hi, Mark here, i purchased the cheapest cold steel Machete made in south africa for 25.00 and I've cut down tall standing tree's then chopped them up in to fire wood with no problems, then we split the wood by batoning and got a rim from a car or truck and built a nice fire with it

[@royorkesjr.8386]

.I just bought the Schrade SCHF43/Jess X 1070 steel hollow grind and I did some testing with it cutting through small pine limbs Creek Murtle limbs and some other branch that was really hard wood and it did very with no edge damage I still have to do more testing until its proven itself even though I wont do any batoning with it but using it as a knife and small machete for smaller branches and light to medium brush it seems to work well

[@johnrossell8049]

Scharde is going down hill fast there heat treating sucks

[@marredandback]

The old knot in the wood trick. I've seen it over and over. This proves that knots are tough suckers.

[@jackg.7745]

Hollow grinds or flat grinds...This is why you should never rely on a knife for batoning. Even if it's "Designed" to do so. Get a axe. They're designed to split wood.

[@Bowfella]

This is why you never get hollow ground knives, a knife can still be hair popping sharp with a concave, flat, or saber grind. Axes that can chop anything in one hit are too heavy to backpack with and ones that are portable enough are mostly good for just felling trees. With a knife you can baton on an uneven surface (you can only really split sawed wood with an axe) and it's safer because you're not swinging and don't have to aim (you also don't absolutley need a chopping block). Considering your blade has at least a 5mm spine, 10" blade (preferably), full tang and is high carbon steel. I use my 10.5" 5160 full tang kukri over my hatchet any day.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

Def the new batch with the corporate short cut. The are many videos with the original Jes X that performed awesome. It's a real shame you didn't get an original, I think you would have liked it.

[@jeanstravinsky6579]

It is the original... it is flat ground.

[@josephdykes1820]

Looks like you got one with the hollow grind instead of the originally designed ones which had the saber grind. Smith and Wesson took over Schrade and took it upon themselves to change the dwgn without asking the designer, but left his name on it.

[@TheSmokinApe]

Joseph Dykes You can see from this video that isn't a hollow ground blade.

[@josephdykes1820]

TheSmokinApe yes, sounds like before the hollow grind issue they made a batch with bad heat treat (per Chris Tanner). He said he caught it, but they had already shipped some knives, then they reluctantly pulled them.

[@TheSmokinApe]

Joseph Dykes Yep, Schrade, even before the S&W purchase had a history of shady business practice. I haven't purchased a single product from them since the orginal company folded and won't start now.

[@stevenrobertson6656]

This is the new batch with a hollow grind. It's not the steel. 1070 is tough stuff ; tougher than 1095. I have a Condor knife in 1075 -similar toughness to 1070 -and I've beaten the crap out of it with no issues ! The problem- as Chris found out- is the heat treat. I still don't believe a hollow grind is best suited for a large chopping knife. The grind combined with the poor heat treat is a disaster waiting to happen. I would contact Schrade and ask for a refund .

[@independentrealist9299]

I guess its just me but I wouldn't use a knife for anything like your using it for... knives cut flesh maybe bone an ax and spliter works better.

[@oregonbushcraftoutdoorchan5357]

That is exactly how hollow grinds fail. You have the batch where Schrade changed the grind. Chris Tanner is really pissed at Schrade

[@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561]

Nothing to do with the grind, it was a bad heat treat. Of course a hollow grind is a weaker grind by design though.

[@fcuk_x]

Except it's a saber grind in the vid.....

[@brianmccann666]

It's a hollow grind. The entire 2nd batch was hollow grind and chipped or broke tips...

[@royorkesjr.8386]

That's a saber grind in the video not a hollow grind

[@UrbanNorthWest]

Hey Guys! Thanks for all the comments and views on this video. You know whats funny; oddly, I got my replacement SCHF43 in the mail just last week. Also just now this video gets some hype. Maybe because everyone else got theirs also? I sent mines to BTI TOOLS way back in February. It took just about 5 months to get a replacement sent out. Great customer services and really kind people, they even offered to replace it with a different knife. I said no, I just had to own a knife from PM101 regardless. Why they had such a long back order on the knife "I don't know why" BUT, I will be doing a follow up video hopefully soon. I've been really busy with a full time job and full time school. My KZbin hobby and knife making took a back seat for now. True about everything you guys say about the heat treatment, I just wished it never happened.

[@EliBenZion]

yaa it looks like a bad bach, if it shaters like that

[@WaltERRZX]

how do know it wasn't broken before you started batoning ? looked like it had resistance from start of video.

[@Patriot4TheTree]

I don't feel like digging through all of your videos, but what knife have you had the most success with battoning?

[@gregwalker4236]

thanks! i'll knot try this with mine--hollow grinds (horror grinds). on the other hand, i've seen gransfors reported on you tube breaking (whole chunks breaking off, husqvarnas axes breaking their heads, etc.) my take is we are not there yet in tough materials, but the schrade was doomed with its design from sabre to hollow grind. my jessica will just be a replica--hanging in shame on the wall....

[@johnnyringo2185]

Batoning, although very useful in a pinch, is way over hyped today as if it’s cool to do. There are only two situations batoning is useful, either in a serious survival situation or for a serious backpacker who is trying to watch weight by not carrying a hatchet. In either situation I doubt you are gonna have or want a cheap 35 dollar knife. I like Chris tanners design a lot but sharade screwed it with cheap materials and crappy quality so you can’t beat it like that and expect a different outcome. You get what you pay for

[@josephpettus8733]

it's sucks that it broke on you man. Thanks for the review and sharing.

[@joshjohnson5307]

that's crazy man, did they replace it?

[@UrbanNorthWest]

Josh Johnson I shipped it out in February, it's on back order. :( Earliest shipping will be April latest in may, but YES, it was covered. Follow up video pending. Thanks for watching!

[@joshjohnson5307]

Urban NorthWest daaaaamn that's a long time bro! hopefully it was just a single incident and not a whole batch. I had an epic fail on a schf45. it wasnt quite as bad as this but after I posted my video of the fail they popped up left and right. hope that doesn't happen with this schrade

[@randalflagg9086]

Knives are not made to split wood I don't care what is claimed no woodsman worthy of the name uses his knife for batoning better to carve wedges!

[@Yungtskt]

It failed but you were also trying to baton something that would be hard to split with a hatchet. Even with a wood wedge it was still not splitting. Im not defending the schrade but why the hell wouldnt you turn the log and split it at a different angle.

[@brianmccann666]

This is the second batch that is Hollow grind instead of saber grind...

[@mikeruthantisdel5679]

What’s up with that?

[@louisbecke2348]

Their are vids of the SCHF52 breaking the same way.

[@williamfarber2150]

You can see that is a hollow grind model. The original sabre grind would have battoned right through that wood.

[@jeremiahshine]

When it comes down to it, that's not a Jess-x.

[@paulwest8192]

Jeremiah Shine This was in January , well before the hollow grind introduction. So yes, it was the Jess X.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

Jeremiah Shine nope, a cheep Chinese knockoff. Actually no disrespect to the Chinese they can produce quality stuff when requested.

[@jeanstravinsky6579]

Where did you get that info? Sounds like nonsense to me. There is no point in knocking off a cheap knife like this... This looks like the original flat grind...

[@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561]

@@oxxnarrdflame8865 All Shrades are Chinese now man, so there is no Chinese knock off, they are already Chinese.

[@brianmccann666]

This is a second batch hollow grind version that schrade switched to. It ruined the design purpose of the schf43 Frontier/JessX.

[@DaRougaroux1]

That's not the original Jessx. That's the hollow grind version and the version that wasn't heat treated right. That's a fail on Shrade not on the original Jessx design. Chris Tanner has a whole video on this.

[@truth959]

I doubt even an axe could split that log from hell. I saw a knot in it.

[@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561]

Lol I've split plenty of knotted logs with ease with my hatchet. I even carelessly batoned my Mora bushcraft black right through a knot once on a small log, that sharp scandi grind just sliced right through the knot without damage surprisingly

[@spundj]

ha ha ha love it thx

[@timsts7014]

see

[@oldtimer4567]

Why don't all you folks just get something that was DESIGNED TO SPLIT WOOD?! AN AXE!!!! I don't care what any company or knife "reviewer says, a 1/4", 3/16" or whatever thickness of knife blade IS NOT a wood splitter! There is a reason an axe has a thin edge & gets progressively wider to the poll. Even if you're ever in, but most likely will never, ever be in, a survival situation, you're not going to be splitting logs anyway. Heck, give me a $350 or more "survival" knife & I can destroy it just as easy as I could a $50 knife.

[@UrbanNorthWest]

oldtimer4567 you are absolutely right!

[@sugartreeJ]

Some knives are designed to baton wood. I love a good ax too but I don't always have one with me. I always have a knife that can handle at minimum some light batoning.

[@michaelstjohn6086]

I guess a Froe was a made up blade used to split wood...

[@spundj]

you use a froe to make shingles ,thin, airc

oldtimer4567 calm down. I've used my D2 k-bar to baton for the last eight years. with out a problem. I don't ever try to split seasoned hard wood not even with an axe. I like an axe but I don't like carrying it for miles up and down hills. I've found most axe people talk about axes but don't carry them very far.

[@nunayabiznezz5876]

ha ha

[@timsts7014]

man you can see you have a nail in that log that's why it Chile's so much ide bet my life on that

[@timsts7014]

I meant that's why it chipped so much

[@UrbanNorthWest]

I wouldn't bet my life on a low budget KZbinr at all. I can Guarantee you the video is real the deal. base on false acquisitions I will do another video Hopefully soon. You don't have to answer this question, if it breaks again will the video be fake? or if its passes with the video be stage?

[@timsts7014]

Urban NorthWest your a pier you can see the bolt clear as day in that price of wood

[@vinniesdayoff3968]

Soooooo many excuses for the knife failing. Heat grind, hollow grind, nail in wood. Maybe batoning is just stupid?

[@davidberry6046]

I just love it when idiots like you try to make a knife do what a hatchet should do! I've been living in Wyoming for over 40 years and done a lot of hunting, camping and "surviving" in our mountains and deserts, and have never "batoned" with a knife! That's why I always carry a hatchet or axe with me. Even without a hatchet, I've actually been able to start fires and build shelters with nothing more than my Swiss Army knife and my other "survival tool," my brain! You should try it sometime!

[@vinniesdayoff3968]

Build a survival shelter with a Swiss Army Knife? It can't be done....can it? 🙂

[@timsts7014]

you can see the indent whee the nail is just pause and zoom in fake video

[@derekrobbens5355]

This is not the Chris tanner design it’s a crap Schrade redesign with a different grind

[@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561]

It's not redesigned at all, they just curved the grind to a hollow instead of a sabre.

[@derekrobbens5355]

You are not using Chris tanners design you should make that clear or stop making videos

[@kyleramos7811]

Derek Robbens it is what is fan boy! like or dislike thanks for watching.

[@dougjohnsonbushcraftandbjj5561]

It is his design though you silly bitch, it's just a different grind. Slightly different, at that.