Schiit Audio Bifrost 2 Review!

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[@vicentevargas6755]

I've been waiting for this review, great one. Thanks.

[@adamyelle4901]

You had me laughing on this one! Love your sense of humor about this stuff.

[@funcionyforma]

Excellent! Not the most informative/detailed review around, but you totally put your body in it to sort the gap. I felt that. Thanks for put into words that disticntion between warm and smooth, very useful, I really appreciate it. New sub here!

[@MichaelGreco]

Hey new record day, have you thought about reviewing the Mani phono preamp? That seems right up your alley. I have one, I don't have much to compare to but it did make a huge difference in my setup

[@amusikpoem1071]

Really smooth, Ron, really smooth...not warm buttery smooth, but maybe like a cold, frosty smooth pint of Guinness...great review...really cut to the chase about the main characteristics of this DAC...no nonsense smooth, I would say.

[@sean_heisler]

Great review, Ron, thanks! I've been waiting for this one, too. DAC's are a tough one especially if they aren't something you do deep dive's into and have a lot to compare to. I've owned one for about four months. You really did hit on two great points in that this DAC has amazing resolution and it does sound smoother especially for the price (it's a bargain!). The "warm" tag has been applied to this DAC by some and you are right that it isn't rolled off at all but it's the inherent smoothness and a somewhat thicker bass region that gives people that impression. It is a chip based R2R ladder DAC which are known for being more natural and realistic sounding in regard to tone and this DAC has it. Like you, I'm a soundstage guy and this thing throws up a huge stage with excellent imaging. Thanks again, Ron!

[@Corndog642]

Maybe it would've helped to make a comparison. What source were you using? Compare the Bifrost to the direct output of the source.

[@navinadv]

How does it compare with other DACs in the same price range like the Denafrips Aries II or the Chinese chip DACs like the SMSL M400/SU9, Topping D70s/D90, Gustard X16/26 etc.

[@careylymanjones]

Every DAC has a "flavor". The trick is to find a DAC (that you can afford) with a flavor you like. Smooth, but detailed is a pretty good description of the Bifrost 2. I'm delighted with mine. I don't really see a reason (short of winning the lottery) to ever upgrade it. No filters to mess with, no menus, just pick your input and go.

[@black_n5492]

That's also how I've found mine. I've enjoyed mine so far and find it to be super smooth. Very easy to listen to and detailed. Paired with a Jotunheim 2 and Valhalla 2 and I'm good for the foreseeable future!

[@rustyshackleford6978]

Pretty Schiity job there amigo. Well done.

[@NeilBlanchard]

Ron, have you had a chance to also review the Schiit Gungnir?

[@pocomo781]

Hi Ron - Since you are new to digital you have a great opportunity to share your learning with your audience. How about doing 2 or 3-way comparison’s between DACs (of all price ranges). Can you really tell them difference between a portable DAC, a bifrost 2 and a Lampizator? How would you describe the difference in terms your audience could learn from? Based on your best-sounding records video, you’re very familiar with soundstaging, yet that isn’t really mentioned here. How about finding a record with the same mix released on vinyl and digital and doing a listening test between them? How about comparing CD quality files to 24/192 files? Lots of stuff that your audience would like to learn along with you. Being a beginner can be an advantage!

[@Enemji]

Skid marks? Yea… what else did you expect Schiit to leave behind 🤣

[@aceofspades6667]

In the market for a new DAC (have a Bifrost 1) and am looking at the BF2, Ares II, and rme adi-2. Not sure which way to go but I'm intrigued with the EQ ability of the RME to set presets for all my headphones. I don't use PC/USB connection but use a DAP/Coax so all of Schiit's work will benefit me zilch.

[@18yearsoldnot]

Upstream you could insert a digital to digital converter (ddc). Ideally you’d use usb and audiophile software such as roon or Audirvana (old non subscription version easily torrented fyi) but if you’re dead set on coax and you want to eq the bifrost, easiest way is to get a schiit Loki and do it in the analogue stage. If you want to do it in the digital stage, you can insert a mini dsp in the middle of the toslink cables - I use Hifiberry dac+dsp (optical instead of coax), and that has proven to be an excellent jitter remover as well as a Spotify, AirPlay, DLNA endpoint as well! I’d recommend the hifiberry dac + dsp if you’ve got the time to learn how to use it. You can even go into the dsp settings using sigma studio where you can set up sbx bass boost (which is like what you get on those cheap creative sound blaster dacs), but I found it to be very good for filling in mid bass harmonics that make e.g. my hd 660s sound incredible and actually fun to listen to.

[@LakerTriangle]

Looking forward to buying one of these one day.

[@LakerTriangle]

@@xiongallen3320 no thanks - I already bought one.

[@thomaswachter7782]

The beginning was so funny. This was such an honest review. I believe if the music sounds good, the DAC is doing its job. Wonderful review as always, Ron.

[@IlanDavid]

I feel like this review left skid marks on my monitor.

[@David-mi3il]

Usually love your reviews

[@Newrecordday2013]

Ugh yeah that one wasn’t my best work

[@charleskatz2606]

Think the hot DAC's near it's price would be RME ADI-2 at $1150 or more price appropriate Denafrips Ares.RME has many adjustment options. Denafrips seems to be very smooth.I would like to know what it sounds like vs these or Gungir.But one I am aiming for is the pricier Benchmark DAC Pre though fully loaded thats three of these.Still modern DACs have coma a long way and this with some XLR's into the Freya I am sure would be dandy full Schiit stack or with another amp.

[@markclancy5371]

What I'd like to see is a review with some of the Chinese DAC's against bigger brands as most of them use newer chips in them.

[@weezydeezy9854]

Ron. Always love your videos. I think you're going in the right direction with them lately.

[@jay12345ist]

Wich input sounds the best to you (coax, USB, or toslink)?

[@dennishaley4443]

I'd like to know that too because I'm getting real close...Ares2....D90....Bifrost 2....Leaning toward Bifrost.

[@tomhohum4275]

Nice approach to the mystery of DAC. I don’t own one and so far, since I listen mainly to cd’s and vinyl, haven’t had the urge to add one to my system. Digitally I only stream IDAGIO for classical music through my iPhone and iPad.

[@1mctous]

Listen to a multibit DAC if you can, especially if you appreciate what LP's do well. If you don't hear what makes them different then you've only lost some time. If you do hear it then you might be pleasantly surprised at how good your CD's and FLAC's can sound.

[@BastianUllr]

Idagio on a DAC though USB man! You are loosing a good chunk of fun there l

[@thomaswachter7782]

You mean I'm not the only guy who doesn't own a DAC?

[@BastianUllr]

@@thomaswachter7782 if you have a CD player or a cell phone, you do have a DAC.

[@thomaswachter7782]

@@BastianUllr I agree with you, I am just not sure if they make a huge difference. I once had a conversation with a person from a big DAC manufacturer. I asked him if I would hear a difference in one of their DAC's compared to running off the headphone output of my computer. He told me "I can't say". I did try a Dragonfly but returned it because I heard little difference and it disconnected and put out a loud nasty sound. I may revisit this in the future.

[@mttrashcan-bg1ro]

Quite and interesting review to watch actually, despite admitting that you didn't probably know as much as some people would, your explanation and thoughts on the DAC were more interest than a lot of reviews would be.

[@cygilbert4962]

Now THAT'S a remote control!!!

[@spacejaime]

Ron, get your schiit together on DAC's. They do sound different among brands ans within brands price ranges. Try one of their units with the AKM4490 DAC, vs. one with their "True Multibit" DAC and compare. Cheers!

[@Neojhun]

i see what you did there ; )

[@stevenjackson8226]

Agreed. I've had dozens of DACs and there's a broad range of sonics among them. And the DAC is THE source (well, after the recording, I suppose). The beginning of the audio chain. If things don't start well there, there aren't likely to end so well. Getting more familiar with DACs can be beginning of an important and new part of the audio journey.

[@Neojhun]

@@Michael-mh4nt "get your shit together"

[@samin2012]

@@stevenjackson8226 thing is, building an accurate DAC is not rocket science. DACs have become a commodity. There's a limit to improvements where after some point no audible gains are achieved.

[@morespinach9832]

What are those white speakers behind?

[@allanw.4500]

Ron, have you ever played a DXD or DSD512 download on your system?

[@oleksiifilippov68]

Schiit doesn’t do DSD. Schiiting on proprietary standards)

[@freone111]

Hi ron. Can you review som gershman acpustics.

[@OrganNLou]

That schiit left skid marks on your desk LOL!

[@tone34]

Why don’t DAC’s have hdmi so I can go from an Apple TV?

[@rickyblair8802]

Yes review on schiit sol

[@JayGreezy]

I don't know much about stereo equipment, but why would you need balanced outputs on your DAC? Aren't you running the DAC to an amp ideally? Wouldn't you headphone amp have outputs for headphones further down the chain?

[@careylymanjones]

Balanced interconnects pretty much kill any sort of ground-loop issues. Not an issue on short runs, but the reason quality microphones all use XLR cables is that on longer runs, they're less susceptible to inductive noise. Balanced devices send two copies of the signal, one 180 deg out of phase with the other. The receiving devices flips the out of phase copy back into phase, which flips the phase of any noise the out of phase copy picked up, cancelling the noise then the two copies are recombined. Again, not a problem for short runs, but if you wanted to have a component, such as a headphone amp at your listening position, balanced cables are a bit better than single-ended.

[@Foxrock321]

I have the base dac Modi 3+ and the Magni headphone amp, both I am using with my iMac 27” ..for my HiFi system , the bifrost will go in to mix with CD and streaming material…I don’t need another system

[@KeithKing31]

People get on KZbin to get info because most likely they are window shopping for the next big thing that they purchase add to their rig that makes music come to life in their living room. Haha. I appreciate an honest review but the fact of the matter is, to make an informed decision one must actually listen to something in person to know what they are getting. As always I appreciate the information and great videos.

[@maxb.simonsen2459]

Regarding the inverse phase button, it won't correct any phase related issues, i only shifts the phase 180 degrees, making 0 difference

[@thomaswachter7782]

You are absolutely correct.

[@mornejordaan1832]

Honesty is all that matters Ron ;)

[@goldenearaudioreview4904]

At least the skid marks are on your desk....

[@cablebrain9691]

Sounds like you spent 15 minutes with this one, Ron.

[@obscurazone]

I just wish their DACs had streamers built in. I find it really frustrating in this day and age, that so many DAC makers are making them as stand alone devices without having at least ONE model with streamer functionality - or put another way, why aren't they producing streamers with built in DACs when the vast majority of people now will be accessing their digital music source via streaming. It really bugs me, that I'd love to use a DAC such as the one's Schiit is making (they look great) but then Im forced to then buy another "thing" (streaming device) to then plug into that. Grrrrr

[@christopherdoolan925]

Baby wipes are one thing Ron is not short of these days.

[@PatrickSmith-zg9xl]

Hey Ron I love your channel. Please consider doing a review on the Ska-Heet (Schiit) record player (called the SOL). Literally no one has done any reviews on it.. you could be the first and it is right up your alley.

[@TheNaboen]

amen!

[@markwasilow2757]

@@TheNaboen They started making hi-end toilets! lol

[@xstensl8823]

Mike Moffat is a genius, i use to have his Data Theta transport and one of his DACS back in the wonderful 80's how does this sound with Classical music? how do strings sound? piano harmonics? how does it compare to the Chord Qutest?

[@jdavis234]

It’s good for classical if you like warmth.

[@careylymanjones]

@@jdavis234 Warm implies rolled-off treble. I don't notice any roll-off on my listening with the BF 2. Rolled-off compared to what?

[@jdavis234]

@@careylymanjones it may have been due to my pairing it with the Jot 2 that made it overly warm to me. With a more neutral amp I don’t have this issue, so it was my misunderstanding.

[@careylymanjones]

@@jdavis234 Ok that makes sense. I run mine through a Schiit Lokius EQ (with the treble bands set flat) into a Topping PRE90. The Topping is about as neutral as you can get. Goes from the Topping through the high-pass filter in my sub, to my Aegir, and on to a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers. If anything, the Klipsch speakers might brighten my system up a bit.

[@naastradamus]

I am always amused by Ron's pronunciation of Button as "Butt In."

[@OHMAudioChannel]

I have the Bifrost Multibit with the Gen 5 USB and a lot of the statements yuo mention about the sound are true even with the previous gen. Going from the Modi 2 DAC to the Bifrist made an audible different when listening through an Asgard 2 amp and Hifiman HE400i planar magnetics. Everything sounded more open and smoothed out. Much like turning up the anti-aliasing in a video game, doesn't change what you're seeing, it just is a little easier on your eyes as the jagged edges are less pronounced. The Modi 2 seemed more lively but could at times be a little crunchy.

[@herrtrigger7220]

We don't usually see audio equipment reviews using sign language

[@Newrecordday2013]

Haha! Ziiiiing

[@cablebrain9691]

You're wasting disinfecting wipes, Ron. Some Fantastik and a paper towel would have done. :P

[@Leeloo102007]

I feel the Schiit DAC to have today is the Modius. I just ordered one this week (haven’t herd it yet). It would be interesting if you could get one as well and compare their sound. I personally have tired a bit of the multibit sound. After 3+ years of R2R I’m now looking for more resolution that I think only the top DS DAC chips can offer.

[@pure5152]

Very delayed and may not be exactly helpful, but I have a modius and gungnir multibit dac (analog 2 version). My overall impressions are that the modius is impressively resolving and very close to the gungnir multibit in resolve (uncannily close, especially using balanced output). Where the gungnir multibit definitely pulls ahead is dynamics (macro and micro), meaning it slams a lot harder, and to me that makes things just sound a lot more alive, engaging and realistic. The modius is slightly warmer in the midbass than the gungnir multibit, which adds some body to colder/more neutral amps/headphones. For $199 the modius is an absolute steal, but the gungnir multibit is (to me) still the better overall DAC. I'm very curious about the bifrost 2 though, just for the smaller footprint.

[@lipingzhu9365]

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[@trekjudas]

I got a Rega Apollo CD player a few years back. It was a mistake. I should have just kept using my Blu-Ray player and got a better DAC.

[@mikehermesmeglio]

What about the sound of the Apollo was disappointing to you?

[@maimedlord6999]

What a schiity review... ❤

[@sudd3660]

they missed an opportunity here, feet should have been brown and left brown skid marks.

[@1mctous]

They should make isolation feet and call them floaters.

[@jon4715]

@@1mctous They've mentioned that in interviews before.

[@1mctous]

@@jon4715 I'm guessing they mentioned these when they discussed the Sol turntable prototype.

[@jon4715]

@@1mctous I think you're right. I think it's actually a product that is coming soon, too.

[@1mctous]

@@jon4715 The Sol is currently available for $799 w/A-T VM95EN cartridge.

[@phillipnunya6793]

If cables make a difference for a home system, it is so small that it may as well be equivalent to blind tests with a placebo resulting in a random 50 50 split. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the case. Spending $500 on a pair of XLR cables isn't worth it. What is there to say about DACs? Waaaaaaaaaay more than cables.

[@lanx0003]

Smooth is the only character the host touches on for BF2? Hmmm...

[@rompstar]

honest review at least / do you always wear that same shirt and hat?

[@billbones1000]

Man I keep wanting for this company to work for me and keep being disappointed. In past 4 years I bought their entry level DAC shit burned out within a year, their entry level headphone amp which burned out within a year and their entry level phono pre which sounds amazing and is still in my system but it has huge noise issues that require moving around the unit and power cord until it becomes silent upon every start up. Every Schiit product I've ever owned either burned out or requires fiddling with to work correctly. They are the only components I've ever had in my system that have ever caused me issues.

[@zetapal]

Z reviews just did a review of the Ragnarok 2 from top to bottom, and you said it ! FIDDLY ... FIDDLY ... FIDDLY ... In fact all he could do was fiddle with that thing begging it to work ... apolgizing over and over trying to find an ideal usage scenario for the device, especially one which would justify the 1800 usd price tag. Its like he wanted to like it but was getting more frustrated the more he talked about it. Then he spent about 15 minutes trying to get the remote to adjust the attenuator, which sometimes worked, sort of, then sometimes didn't sort of. Its the same dinky little remote they use on all their preamps, the Saga, Freya. And I NEED a good preamp and I'd love to have one with a tube buffer and a resistor ladder attenuator but I need a remote because my arm is not 15 feet long. Aint no way I'm gonna fool with a toy remote every time I want to adjust the volume, which is constantly. Those guys over there at Schiit have an odd way of looking at themselves and their company. It's like it's all a big joke to them, like they're surprised it even happened and they could care less what happens in the future, they just wanna drink beer.

[@louiesipes2257]

Have had one Modi for two years, another for 6 months. No issues. Sorry about your luck.

[@careylymanjones]

I have a Mani 2 and have no noise problems with it. It sits on top of my Lokius EQ. The Lokius has so many inductors that if you find a place where it's quiet, anything on top of it should be quiet, too. Seriously, I put my Bifrost 2 (has internal transformer) on the bottom, added my Magnius headphone amp (external pwr supply) on top of the Bifrost. Added the Lokius on top of the Magnius (the Magnius seems to shield the Lokius adequately) and the Mani 2 goes on top. I basically put as much metal as possible between the Mani and anything with an internal transformer, and it works.

[@billbones1000]

@@careylymanjones glad it works for you. I've had three swings and three strikes with schiit.....got their entry level dac, phono and eq off the used market, all three died. I'm done with them. So far my experience is that Chinese hifi (smsl ect) sounds every bit as good, priced similarly and longer lasting (have not had a single smsl or topping product die on me yet. Only one man's experience though.

[@1mctous]

To anyone considering the Bifrost 2 or any other multibit DAC: the sampling rate affects the sound, even the sound of KZbin videos. Every sigma-delta DAC has an asynchronous (not tied to the incoming sample rate) conversion. Multibit is synchronous, either in multiples of 44.1 or 48 KHz. Your CD's, MP3's, and Red Book-res FLAC's stream at 44.1 KHz/s. Your videos and high-res FLAC's stream at 48, 96, or 192 KHz/s. If you're set to the other multiple you'll probably hear a grainy treble which immediately smooths out once you've reset to the correct one. It's a PITA (pain in the ass) until you get used to resetting the audio output device to the correct sampling rate.

[@oleksiifilippov68]

Pretty interesting. Where can I read more about this?

[@1mctous]

@@oleksiifilippov68 1) You can see actual unfiltered waveforms from a 1-bit sigma-delta, 3-bit sigma-delta, and 16-bit R2R DAC here: www.mother-of-tone.com/conversion.htm 2) Schiit has intentionally omitted a sample rate lock detector so that it will still interpolate when the rate differs. It's better to have a bit-for-bit match at the correct rate.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Can't wait for their new turntable the Schiit "Skid marks"

[@infn]

Lol...ok Ron, we get it. No more bugging you for DAC reviews, we'll let you stick with speakers, amps and preamps.

[@Newrecordday2013]

Haha

[@DistroUser]

A DAC is more than just a utility, maybe you have not demoed enough of them to know a difference. No offense, but, they can sound quite different from each other which also depends on how resolving your system and of course your brain and two ears. Cheers!

[@Newrecordday2013]

Actually that’s true! I didn’t mean to use the word utility in that sense. Good point and thanks for the correction.

[@ABC-rh7zc]

"inverts polarity" not "inverts phase" :)

[@scottlowell493]

Are you saying his description is a SINE that he's misinformed?

[@ABC-rh7zc]

@@NiSHAN256 I see that you have no idea what you're talking about but wanted to share your opinion anyway. Bless your heart.

[@mkfmkf55]

Just place it, no need to skid it...

[@DrewHawken68]

Ron, I have been noticing your potty mouth in the last two reviews .... ;) very insightful as usual! :D

[@Newrecordday2013]

Haha

[@endx9]

Skid marks... what is this Schiit!

[@matthewhilty4209]

SKA - HEET love it.

[@BFArch0n]

LMAO skidmarks.

[@BastianUllr]

Question... Basically this means: It sounds good, and it's convenient. It does nothing for me anyway? It's just like playing any CD from a CD player or whatever you do with your convenient digital files? Curious about the actual message behind the simple attitude towards the DAC, as ... it definitely shows it's nothing to be excited about.

[@BastianUllr]

@@Michael-mh4nt if I didn't have the experience I have I'd be right after your comment being like... Thank you!! You are so wrong about that statement is not even funny.

[@BastianUllr]

@@Michael-mh4nt I've done ABX, also, I do measurements to add room treatment to address specific parts of the response, so I have the Microphones also. Part of the test after checking for standing waves and all that is how clean recordings come through and if there are not too many standing waves or echoes on the sound (waterfall). No brainer, listen to yourself on the washroom and then on a bigger room. Do not tell me it sounds the same. If your recording sounds like you are on a Bathroom, it's bad. It's supposed to sound clean, but not dull and lifeless. So, same room, same placement, same speakers, two different amplifiers. It sounds different. Note that the target curve is the same, YET music sounds different on a *recording*. It doesn't get more technical than that... it's a microphone taking the information, not my ears. It's even easier to ABX the recordings as you can cut and edit on the program. Plus, I have attenuators to effectively run horizontal bi-amplification. These attenuators have various channels allowing me to run ABX at a decent speed using the same input on the Preamp (or simply using the preamp inputs). But anyway, I do not need to make an effort to notice that a Saxophone that sounds on the outside part of the speaker with one DAC sounds now coming from the Speaker from the Other DAC. I do not need an ABX to tell on one DAC the imaging is sharp in the middle, while on another it's rather wide. I do not need ABX to hear that the hi-hat sounds further back on the plane compared to another DAC or AMP. My friends do not need an ABX when they come home and say "Holy fuck, that is so much more punchy!" Oh wait, that's because some of those DACs and AMPs were broken... sure yeah, right. It might be the fact that some measured %0.00005 THD vs %0.0003 THD, as if we could hear anything below 0.3% THD at all. Think that Vinyl has around 60/64 dB SNR, and it sounds amazing. What adds to the discussion to have 99 or 113 dB SNR? And how are you playing music, and what music to make this even remotely relevant? 90dB+ speaker sensitivity with 100WPC full throttle all day long my friend? It takes experience, drop the cash and then talk some. Else, keep reading about measurements and having your hard bias your way. It's irrelevant to me, I know what I am hearing and it's me enjoying it. Be happy with a PC soundcard and a pair of mini-monitors, they measure flat and clean for under $1000, and they for sure sound the same than any other rig out there that is flat and measure alike, but costs x5 more, right? There, go... be happy.

[@BastianUllr]

@@Michael-mh4nt BTW, not interested in telling what gear I do have or have had. Why? Well, because I bet my ass you would tell me how it sounds by looking graphs. What's the point? I do not have tube amps, I do not like them, and it's not because they "sound broken".

[@BastianUllr]

@@Michael-mh4nt I Did it changing to the former and the later in line channels available to the attenuator? I said is multi-channel, right? S/PDIF Splitter, Swap source, change the channel. That's why I said decent speed. It's not hard. For Amps, it gets a bit more complicated but I fix old gear so I have gadgets, such a speaker switch, dim bulb tester, and stuff like that that was DIY made. I can connect safely 2 amps into one speaker, that's no big deal and its cheap. The preamp has multiple outs, I can feed 2 amps. And as I said... it's NO HELP going around saying they sound the same as long as "they are not broken"... as if engineers develop stuff that is broken and is sold by bulk! Man, the hefty amount of companies that all sound the same, yet there are so many variations of models. Would it be that most of them are broken then? Sheez

[@BastianUllr]

@@Michael-mh4nt of course its done blind, otherwise we can get into confirmation bias and what would be the point of the test at that stage? In any case, the results are never "oh yeah, this is so much better". Nope! We rarely agree on what we prefer. It's been done to my wife, friends, and they do it for me too. We have no idea what is playing. Yet, the difference is really bold in more than one scenario. Not for everything, I'm not going to lie and say it's day an night every single time. But, there has been differences found among stuff like a transport!!! I did not expect that coming at all, by example. Some amplifiers sound very alike, and simple chip dacs are pretty much the same. But then, as I stated, some features change so much it just loses the point. When DACs start getting interesting one can tell serious differences from the cheap simple ones. The cheap simple ones measure extremely well, sound boring, just like a benchmark amp.

[@d4dbeh]

EVERYTHING that you said about the phase invert button is wrong, despite the fact that you tried hard not to say anything so that you wont get in trouble,. why not ask mark about to explain it to you so that you can correct it?

[@Newrecordday2013]

If everything that I said was wrong, then everything schiit told me is wrong. What I said in the review is what I was told by and engineer at schiit. Thanks.

[@d4dbeh]

@@Newrecordday2013 phase invert does not "fix the phase problem of older electronics" many designs old and new invert the phase of the signal. this could be the power amp or the pre or the dac. some people are sensitive to inverted phase and think that it sounds bad. for them this button makes a big difference. if you have two components that invert then the total effect is no phase inversion so it depends on all the components in your system. for example many designs that use the very modern and high tech Texas instrument 3886 amplifier chip invert phase (not all of them) so it doesnt have to do with older equipment.

[@Newrecordday2013]

Cool. Here is the exact wording from Schiit, perhaps the word “fix” is where I turned left... >> The Phase invert button serves two purposes, neither of which are common, but which we provide as a courtesy to those who might want it. >> >> 1. It allows you to invert phase to correct for phase irregularities in some very old recordings. This is uncommon but it may be handy if you like to listen to many older recordings or digitize your own vinyl. >> >> 2. It can be helpful if you have a preamplifier which inverts phase and you do not have an amplifier designed to flip the signal back to ‘correct’ phase. Some older tube preamplifiers will do this.

[@midnightrider8105]

First!

[@bingoberra18]

Second! (First loser..)

[@aussie8114]

You talk a lot without saying much.

[@trekjudas]

I know you don't want to say it but I will, DIGITAL IS BORING! It is practically impossible to get excited over digital gear. It's like getting excited over a hammer.

[@Snook_]

..... Most things are recorded digitally now... ironic. Maybe you forgot digital is most things modern and don't they sound glorious.. Go listen to steven wilsons recordings and masters.

[@trekjudas]

@@Snook_ I'm not trying to offend anyone. maybe its my age, but I just can't get excited about DACs or streaming devices.

[@Snook_]

Kevin Thomas it’s just a strange position to take when music has already gone through digital mediums and conversion to get to your analogue system today. Even most modern vinyl is pressed from digitally recorded masters

[@trekjudas]

@@Snook_ Just because its new doesn't mean its better.

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@@Snook_ Its more convenient, I'll grant that.