Scholar Shorts - Byleth's Down Throw Back Air Kill Confirm

[@GimR]

another great vid!

[@CrestScholars]

Thank you Gimz

[@happyducky9872]

Thanks for the compliment GIMR! You got the whole group chat excited too!

[@corrout]

Crest Scholars you always do such an incredible job making videos, this is no exception. Even I feel like I could do I dthrow > bair combo now with how simple the guide was. Thanks Bugger, Kafonn, Mail, Elcrest and all the other incredible bylethcord labbers!!!

[@Bloom_Oz74]

Great stuff as always guys, I loved the whole thing. The Crest Scholars never disappoint. Glad to be a part of the team! :)

[@IinesySankka]

Hello. I watched this last night. Today I hit my first Dthrow > Bair. It killed Lucas at 50%. I had zero idea it would actually combo. Thank you.

[@thelegendofkingdoify]

Not me looking to learn the irar variation of dthrow bair (since slingshot is probably gonna be used now) and getting an exact slingshot explanation in a 5 months old video Kudos my guy

[@magicmayro]

Went into this thinking I wouldn't learn anything new and I did. Good shit to all of yall behind the Crest Scholars

[@erasmus4743]

Those b-reversed snipes off stage were sick!

[@Crest_Expert]

Down Throw Back Air feels so good!!

[@kjj9398]

Question: Is Byleth down throw bair true? When people air dodge it, am i going too slow? And if it is true, why does it never show on the combo counter in the training room?

[@rockayxd6713]

​@@kjj9398yes is true. You must do your inputs faster for a true combo. And it's normal for the combo counter, it's a bit buggy. Excuse me for my bad english😅

[@DreamingPierrot]

Haven’t been playing Smash as much as I used to, but was actually able to learn a kill confirm for once thanks to this video ;w; Awesome video as always :)) btw I like ur narration Klanoah

[@JaneViolet_]

To anyone trying to learn this in present day: unless you're an execution god, just do the turnaround method. I've been practicing the IRAR method for hours and I only get it around once every fifty tries or so, even though I'm already used to doing IRARs from Corrin's fair bair. The turnaround method is not only easier, but if you do it too early you'll get a fair which will hit anyway. The disadvantage of the turnaround method is that there's no way to cover DI away, but I feel like covering DI away is extremely difficult no matter what method you do, so you might as well just throw immediately without pummeling and pray they miss the DI. EDIT: the other thing I should mention is that if done *frame perfectly*, the IRAR is one frame faster than turnaround (you can jump one frame sooner). This can make a difference for if the combo works or not on characters with 2 frame air dodges. E.g. on Fox at 50%, doing it frame perfectly with IRAR will hit while the turnaround will not.

[@topolatte]

I love the little pixel art animation😂

[@kbandz_]

Great editing!

[@hka87]

Showing details in how to do it. In different ways... Subscribed. Excelente Job.

[@Hung-Tan-Tran]

Amazing video! I'm kinda shook how high quality this is

[@uchihaclan77]

Crest Scholars. I love your content so much... may be asking way too much here, but is there any way we can make this content consistent? This type of info is Golden and helpful. Or is there another entity where I can see example videos or even game play with these moves in forced in real life combat scenarios would be awesome. But I know life gets in the way no problem if not but thank you anyways for the helpful content :D

[@CrestScholars]

hello! Thank you for the kind comment :) A majority of the scholars have been very busy, so we haven't been able to produce new videos as of late; We'd like to apologise for that. However, we are currently looking into making a new video (no promises though). If you want to talk to any of the scholars or just see what's up in general, you can always check out the Byleth discord. Have a good day! - Bugger

[@RealMol]

Well done! This video is very easy for an intermediate player like me to understand and will help me become a better player. Thank you!

[@realsatt]

This is amazing but I am completely incapable of making the combo true. I just gotta get the buffer and timing right I guess

[@Kyleslie2]

Amazing guide, thank you!

[@Special_SSB]

Would love to collab with you at some point - love the Byleth-Ness MU!

[@CrestScholars]

Sounds possible, if you've got ideas you can always talk to us! - Ducky

[@Baam1092]

Underrated

[@randomemustachewithaguy1245]

Ik the video is a bit old but im still struggling to do both the turn around and the irar i can pull it off sometile but way to inconsistant, any advice ?

[@Vegeta101691]

Man Im struggling big time with this. I have yet to do this where its a true combo. I cant seem to get it where it lands. I set the cpu to fight just to see if it works and they nearly always are just able to airdodge it. What am I missing? Thanks for you help and the videos!

[@SeriphanKnight]

Same here man. It’s just not showing it as a combo for me even though I can hit it. Ive been doing it for over an hour now. Just not working.

[@CrestScholars]

Hello! Which input method are you using and where in particular are you struggling? The bair timing? The inputs themselves? If I have a clearer idea on what you need help with, I'll be able to better direct you :) - Bugger

[@CrestScholars]

@@SeriphanKnight Hi! Same questions, which input method + where are you struggling in particular? Let me know and I'll try my best to help. - Bugger

[@Vegeta101691]

@@CrestScholars Honestly I have tried all 3 methods. I have yet to land it once. I guess what I am struggling the most is the bair timming since I suspect I have to act on the very first availble frame after down throw and if so I still have not been able to find it.

[@mccoy3351]

Hi guys . Same her with the turnaround method. It's never true. And it's actually impossible to put jump et Bair at the same time or you'll have a short hop instead of a full hop.

[@hogin1421]

I did not know this thanks

[@bigol7169]

Love this video!

[@rofeky]

Can you explain what you mean by crescent moon?

[@cometshard9082]

Cool video, when do you buffer dash I get walk so I assume I'm doing it too early? Thanks

[@CrestScholars]

Yes - 7 frame input life for Dash buffering, and it doesnt care about you holding. Just when you Flick like a smash attack. - Ducky

[@TheQuancy]

I dont have the dexterity to do this. still have yet to do this once even in 1/2 speed

[@milos1967]

This is some smash 4 type shit god damn

[@wsetws]

thanks, awesome video!

[@goukakumezasu1236]

Are y'all able to get this to consistently show on the combo counter? I can't get it to work even once

[@MailmanSSB]

The combo should show as true to hitstun as long as you use the IRAR or IDJ methods. If you’re having trouble, try practicing in training mode at a slower speed

[@CrestScholars]

What percentage?

[@jordanhawks1661]

@@CrestScholars I'm also having this problem are you saying the turnaround method isn't true without IDJ?

[@CrestScholars]

@@jordanhawks1661 Without IDJ, the turnaround method will still catch jumps and airdodges at the percent range you're not getting it true to hitstun at. It may not show on the combo counter, but the opponent's escape options usually will not be fast enough to get out of it. - Mailman

[@jordanhawks1661]

Ah thank you 👍

[@BlackCatCards]

What’s the best counterplay for this? If it’s true with DI out then should the counterplay be to DI in to try and get hit by the sour spot?

[@jesusvaldez1384]

I think the only counterplay is mixing up di and pray they miss their execution

[@AroundWayOther]

@@jesusvaldez1384 yeah I agree... I'm not too knowledgeable but from what I've seen, looks like mixup is the way to go. Neat kill confirm!

[@CrestScholars]

DI in so it takes longer to ko and you end up higher until di out no longer hits is my first thought on counterplay - Ducky

[@Kafonn]

Awesome

[@ProdTyraz]

This is dope

[@GamerOfAllTrades]

Thank you

[@GrayyisGayy]

MY BOY PJJJJJ

[@mikusheep]

based

[@AroundWayOther]

Is this true if they DI out/away?

[@ConductorElcrest]

Yes, that's why it's such a good kill confirm

[@fernandorangel6410]

Actually, DI out is the worst option in this scenario cuz you are more likely to get the sweetspot o of bair.

[@KillaKhayle]

Come back!!!

[@CrestScholars]

Hello! Right now the Crest Scholars are very busy and haven't had the time to create new videos just yet. Though I can't give a specific timeframe, once our schedules clear up a bit we'll try our best to come back with even greater content. Thanks! - Bugger

[@fxviridis]

Great video but who in the balls says Byleth has trouble killing well or has a lack of kill confirms? I don't think that's a commonly seen problem with Byleth at all

[@MailmanSSB]

There’s a sentiment that Byleth doesn’t have any absurd ways to kill early without a smash attack. Up b can also lead to a kill early but requires some guessing on DI to work efficiently. Dthrow bair works regardless of DI with good execution and kills stupid early.

[@HD-nb7kw]

@@MailmanSSB i mean hardly anyone can kill at all consistently previous to 80% so it's stupid to argue it's a problem anyway lol

[@fxviridis]

@@HD-nb7kw @Mailman Yeah I'd agree with you (@Mailman) but the thing you're describing is applicable to most characters is it not?

[@joehsjsjjsisjsbwjs1153]

People say byleth struggles to kill? dtilt can lead into a kill confirm, dash attack kills, and all his aerials except nair can kill but nair leads into a tech situation which can lead into an early stock with dsmash or dash attack near ledge

[@CrestScholars]

Struggles to kill before 100 would be more accurate as a description for the people in question. Even though byleth is quite capable of taking stocks at lower mid %s anyways! - Ducky Edit: also theres a surprising number of people who think she only has maybe 4 ways/executions to secure stocks reliably outside raw hits, or an even more pessimistic outlook.

[@0verlux913]

Bidj fh bair is possible via attack cancelling fyi.

[@joehsjsjjsisjsbwjs1153]

Attack canceling only let's you short hop though

[@CrestScholars]

Attack cancel makes it a sh idj and not a fh idj due to its macro buffered nature - Ducky

[@0verlux913]

@@CrestScholars perhaps I used the incorrect terms here but a Buffered IDJ fh bair is 100% possible go watch snasens guide. I can also describe the inputs frame by frame

[@0verlux913]

go into training mode and do the following using frame by frame, this will either be an irar or regular attack cancel up to you, do Cstick one direction within 2 frame press and release jump then waiting at least 1 frame preferably frame 3 of jumpsquat or the frame the jump starts press jump congrats you just did buffered rar idj

[@0verlux913]

also if it wasnt clear you'll be using the Lstick aka analog stick to abuse the macro and bair as per usual. should make downthrow fh rar bair much easier as I hit this stuff pretty consistently and I dont play byleth

[@chanc1867]

Is this even true nowadays

[@happyducky9872]

Yes, but it has limitations based on mu. Like vs rob on DI out youd fair to ko. Or how the window ends early on pikachu.

[@chanc1867]

@@happyducky9872 thanks for answering i was getting Desperate cause i Just fail every Time i try

[@bwheeler9299]

This guy sounds like every byleth main

[@nicolevcs]

carried combo?!

[@happyducky9872]

Yes

[@mcrsmash8319]

The combo meter never says it’s true

[@happyducky9872]

I'm happy to say that's a you thing then, or due to the percentage

[@mcrsmash8319]

@@happyducky9872 nah it’s patched

[@CrestScholars]

I'm sorry to say that Byleth's down throw and bair have never been affected by any patches, so you're definitely incorrect - Ducky

[@mcrsmash8319]

It’s not true

[@CrestScholars]

Well, it is. -Ducky

[@silvesta5027]

It is. It just has a tough execution and you need to adjust slightly depending on DI