Schuyler ESV Treveris vs. ESV Quentel - Side-by-Side Bible Comparison

[@samstevenson4176]

I just bought a Treveris. I really like the thought of having absolutely ZERO commentary or references to clutter the page! No thoughts from men, and no clutter on the page to distract my adhd riddled mind. Just the wonderful word of God

[@timwildsmith]

It's a great design!

[@yoshahegenbart2977]

Great review comparison. If I had to pick one , it would be the Treveris for reading. I have a variety of bibles that I can use for studying. When I try to just read the Bible, I find myself “going down the rabbit hole” with the footnotes etc. I think by using the Treveris, that would keep me focused on reading and absorbing the Word.

[@timwildsmith]

Thanks, Yosha... good thinking.

[@No_auto_toon]

Same

[@melissab7777]

Thank you for this review. It really helped me get a better visual seeing both side by side.

[@timwildsmith]

Glad it was helpful!!

[@sherylp.9570]

If I had to choose, it would be the Treveris. Those Ornamental Drop Caps just get to me every time!! 💕 I want to order the Treveris as soon as pre-orders open next month. It's a beautiful Bible. I just need to decide on a color. 💕 Great comparison, Tim!

[@sterlingbrown5]

Thank you so much for the side by side, and for providing your viewers with such great information in general! I’m going down the path of getting really into studying the Bible, and your videos have been invaluable.

[@timwildsmith]

Glad it was helpful!

[@skfladda]

"Seminary Graduate" Well played good sir. Well played ;-) (Full time missionary... have had that same thought about myself multiple times - glad I'm not alone). Thanks for the comparison video.

[@crucifiedlife9700]

The Quentel is my EDC. But wow the Treveris is an elegant bible. I love the comfort of reading it. Thanks Tim for your comparison.

[@timwildsmith]

My pleasure!

[@shawnmoshier9947]

The Quentel format would be my preference if only one could sit on my shelf for day-to-day use. It's just better at being an all-around Bible to fit multiple use cases for the person diving into the Word. The formatting of the Quentel lends itself to being a good reader due to the large font and use of red & black text color to set apart chapter headings, etc. The Quentel can also play the role of a study Bible due to the textual notes and plethora of cross-references.

[@timwildsmith]

Thanks for sharing, Shawn!

[@abc-wv4in]

I love my Quentels. I don't have Treveris. I wish they offered it in the NASB 1995 (not the 2020, which I don't like).

[@gregblackmon2]

Have the Quentel. Ordered the Treveris. Interested in how it compares to my Allen ESV reader. I admit to missing some of the landmarks. The Treveris solves this.

[@peterpascone6942]

I think the Treveris for me. I think it's also probably easier to hold in one hand. Actually I wish they would make the PSQ just a tad bigger.

[@israelvalle9007]

Just ordered the Treveris! I'm excited!

[@timwildsmith]

Nice!!!

[@catwoods5499]

Can you share the comparison between the Treveris VS the Caxton because they're both single Column. I'm trying to figure out which on of the two do I want to drop that kind of money on. I own a plenty of Premium ESV but no NLT premium sooo I'm leaning towards the Caxton. But...but I just don't know. That video would really be appreciated

[@timwildsmith]

Good idea!

[@bella-bee]

I’ve got a Caxton NLT in green and it’s a beauty. It’s very like the Cambridge Clarion to read. Hard to beat a clarion for clarity of a small type face, because if the wide interline spacing. I think they call that leading, from the lead spacers they used to insert to spread the type face out in the old fashioned printing method. Tempting to say “leed” but I suppose it’s “led” !

[@dianaAJC]

Thank you so much for this review!!! I love both Bibles! But for me the two columns Quentel is best for me because I like and need the study part of it. However, I absolutely love the full yap cover on the Treveris… I hope Schuyler can make more options of its Bibles with full yap features, it’s so beautiful and I think that it is a plus when protecting the pages. Maybe they should make a full yap on at least one of the personal sizes and also in o e of the Quentel series (maybe choosing some of the most popular versions, such as ESV, NKJ…).

[@timwildsmith]

They're making most of the full-size Quentels with full yapp now!

[@abc-wv4in]

They do have the full yap versions in the Q and PSQs now (2023).

[@benjaminsutton1461]

Thanks for pointing out that they don't start a new verse at the margin. I wanted one to use for preaching, but if I can't tell where the verse begins and ends, that would make it harder to read publicly.

[@timwildsmith]

For sure! It's definitely designed for QUICKLY finding a verse.

[@GanttCarterservant]

Yeah

[@GanttCarterservant]

So I bought a Treveris in the Summer of 2023. Been preaching/teaching with it and using it as my EDC since then. It’s a challenge, at times, but it’s also been great.

[@garythomas7065]

I would choose the Quentel. In fact, I already have; it just hasn't arrived yet. I just prefer the visual that the Quentel gives. Both are great, and your reviews are great too.

[@timwildsmith]

Nice!

[@raiders345]

I like the Treveris for its "traditional" look. I like the Quentel for its "modern" look. I've got to admit: I'm still "undecided!"

[@timwildsmith]

Both are great Bibles!

[@raiders345]

@@timwildsmith I also view the Quentel as the "practical" choice, and the Treveris as the "fun" choice. 😀

[@pfridell8424]

Personally I think I'd like the 2-column Bibles best because it's easier for me to read and keep my place. In addition I think I'd want the cross reference notes on my pages. They're both beautiful Bibles though!

[@timwildsmith]

Makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Pam!

[@ronaldmaday]

Hey Tim! Thanks to your AE rebind video I’m saving up for a rebind. :)

[@timwildsmith]

Good choice!

[@joelsmith7078]

I would go with the Quintel because drop tabs are gorgeous. If I could get the Trevaris with the drop tabs, that would be the dream.

[@mandyrawlinson7687]

I would choose an NIV Treveris in Prussian blue!

[@donnawildsmith2232]

Excellent review!

[@timwildsmith]

Thanks Mom!!

[@Tax_Buster]

I would pick the Treveris for a unique reading experience.

[@timwildsmith]

So unique!

[@kpope7007]

Quentel would be my choice. I can’t read the Bible without it leading into some bit of study. I figure as long as I’m in the passage I don’t want to miss the opportunity to dig deeper. Oddly I find the two column more pleasant to read…could be due to a reading problem I had in my childhood.

[@caomhan84]

Now that I have finally experienced both, I can say that for me personally, if the font is above a 10 pt. I like the single column. Anything less than 10 pt., I prefer dual column.

[@timwildsmith]

Makes sense... thanks for sharing!

[@susyhebner2543]

I have several ESV’s so definitely a Treveris to match my KJV Treveris.

[@timwildsmith]

🎉👍🏼👍🏼

[@LindaFromMySelfCareStudio]

Great video! Thanks!

[@timwildsmith]

You’re welcome!

[@philipmelgren4469]

Thanks Tim, great comparison. I love the Quentel, love double column and footnotes. However, I love lots of yapp. I have ESV & NIV Quentel. Quentel wins for me. Have just finished reading the History of the Bible by John Barton, loved it. Any other similar books you'd recommend? Blessings from New Zealand.

[@timwildsmith]

They’re starting to make Quentels with Full yapps… I really liked David Norton’s “The King James Bible: A Short History from Tyndale to Today”

[@gleasonparker1684]

I used to not like yapp but NOW I do. I used to not like goatskin. But now I do. Esp in small bibles.

[@bk24708]

Have you considered doing a review on the humble lamb bible.?

[@timwildsmith]

Yes! I am waiting for my NKJV Shepherd to arrive.

[@bk24708]

@@timwildsmith I think you talked me into Schuyler overall. I just noticed that Humble Lamb was received well by others. My only complaint or confusion is that it has pictures of Jesus in it. I hear mixed feedback in Christian circles on images of God. I have more a Lutheran background so we generally don’t care but for me I pause a bit on that. Bc I know what OT says about it.

[@sunshine_Faith]

Can you tell me the fonts for those bibles but mostly the smaller one. It seemed not too bad for size but maybe it enlarged for the screen. I liked the Quentel Bible more as that is just more my style of bible.

[@gleasonparker1684]

I have a single column NASB w side references. A bit small but I am going to try a Premier edition for a bigger FONT.

[@chrishamilton1189]

Treveris, hands down. Single column keeps you focused

[@timwildsmith]

Nice!

[@gleasonparker1684]

I wish Schuyler would do a size mid size in big FONT like Holman does. 11.25 FONT.

[@abc-wv4in]

Since they slimmed down the paper in the Quentel, I've been carrying mine. It has 11-pt (or maybe a bit larger) font and is easy to read. It's a bit larger than most "personal size" Bibles, but not bad.

[@MrsinTN]

For me, the drip caps are a distraction even though they look nice. But I guess one would get used to them. But even though I don’t use the references as often as I should, if I had to choose between the Treveris and the Quentel, I would probably choose the Quentel - even though SCV would be nice.

[@No_auto_toon]

Treveris because it is like a reader’s but you can still find the verses quickly enough

[@timwildsmith]

Very true!

[@gleasonparker1684]

Having got a Schuyler it is very nice in QUENTEL. Blue. Wish in calfskin or calfsplit.

[@timwildsmith]

Nice.

[@mygirlmacy]

Quentel, double column, but I am enjoying my caxton

[@timwildsmith]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@johnwilderspin1633]

Hi Tim, great video, thank you. Question, as l’m sure you know, Schuyler are planning on releasing a NASB ‘20 using the Treveris format latter this year, do you know which NASB translation Cambridge will use for their NASB Topaz, ‘95 or ‘20? I really like the Topaz format with all the extra stuff, but l already have plenty of ‘95’s. Again, thank you, l found this really helpful. Blessings John

[@Tom-qo4mz]

just to clarify, my understanding is that the 2020 NASB Schuyler has said they will be putting out won't be a Treveris (which are single column paragraph) but rather single column vbv (that they have named the Stridon (if they've said they're doing an NASB 2020 Treveris and I've missed it, my apologies))

[@timwildsmith]

Hey John… yes, the Stridon is the only NASB 2020 that Schuyler has announced, and it’s a bit different than the Treveris. Cambridge has not announced an NASB Topaz yet, so I’m not sure which edition they’ll go with.

[@johnwilderspin1633]

Hi Tom, if you go to EB’s Stridon page you’ll find that this new Bible will be formatted the same way as the Treveris

[@timwildsmith]

@@johnwilderspin1633, the Stridon will be single-column and use a similar font as the Treveris, but it’s not the same typesetting. It’s a verse-by-verse Bible where each verse starts on a new line (the Treveris is a paragraph “reader”), and it will include references (the Treveris does not).

[@Tom-qo4mz]

@@johnwilderspin1633 that's not quite correct, it says the font will be the same/similar to the Treveris (in distinction to the Milo font used for the Quentels etc), but says it will be single column verse by verse format. The USP of the Treveris on the other hand is its single column paragraph format as a 'reader.' On this basis, the Stridon will likely be quite a different offering to the Treveris

[@Bible_Loving_Lutheran]

it's making me kind of want a Treveris just because I have the PSQ. I want that full yapp but thinking I might not like a Quentel because I've had them in the past and sold them each time due to not liking as it was a tad big. the 11 pt also kind of hurt my eyes. man

[@timwildsmith]

Full Yapp PSQs coming sooooon!

[@pappywinky4749]

I find it so unfortunate that we don't have similar publishers for french bibles. I prefer to read in french, but the quality of the binding is usually pretty low. The idea of not have subheadings in the text is making me want to switch directly to the treveris. Time to start saving for one!!

[@timwildsmith]

What’s the world of French bibles like?

[@pappywinky4749]

@@timwildsmith there's a wealth of translations, our equivalent to the KJV is called louis second and it has 3-4 revisions that are all great. My favorite is Semeur (sower), a mix of ESV and NIV in terms of readability but with great fidelity. There's also several paraphrasing versions. The only sad part is that the binding is usually fake leather or hardcover. I don't think I saw anything with the quality of Schuyler, allen, cambridge bibles. I will definitely rebind my favorite study bible because of that.

[@timwildsmith]

@@pappywinky4749 Thanks for sharing. I know we have an abundance of great options in English, but it puts it into perspective to hear what you have in French.

[@pappywinky4749]

@@timwildsmith I love to compare english and french versions. It helps me dig deeper into the Word.

[@dgm2006]

I picked up an ESV Quentel in that same green goat skin with three green ribbons. Why doesn’t Schuyler make an ESV Canterbury?

[@timwildsmith]

The Canterbury is a KJV design very similar to the Quentel.

[@dgm2006]

@@timwildsmith Do you think it might be inappropriate for the ESV to follow this KJV design?

[@timwildsmith]

@@dgm2006 No... I just think it would essentially be the same thing as the Quentel.

[@Blakefan2520]

I own a NKJV Quentel. I want to purchase a premium ESV and am torn between the ESV Treveris ($215) and the ESV RL Allen New Classic Readers Edition ($252). I understand because the Allen is not line matched, there may be some ghosting issues. Any ideas which one is the best quality for the money?

[@timwildsmith]

Both are great quality. I would think more about the design and layout and determine which one you think you'd prefer. Ghosting on the Allan is minimal.

[@Blakefan2520]

@@timwildsmith Thanks for the advice Tim. I really enjoy your videos. God bless you on this Lord's Day.

[@bella-bee]

I’ve just printed out the first page of genesis in the two sizes of ESV Quentel, from the shop’s website, they do a pdf. But they are using different editions of ESV, and when I check the refs , they are not consistent. !! Which is best do you think? Treveris is 2016 and my large quentel is 2011 but I don’t know what the Personal quentel is. Do you please?

[@timwildsmith]

I’m fairly certain that all of their new ESV bibles are the 2016 text. They’re really great at responding to questions if you want to confirm.

[@jakeham4017]

if i can have only one - Quentel

[@trnkmd1976]

Is that green exactly what is showing up on the screen or is it darker

[@timwildsmith]

This is fairly accurate (on my screen) to what it looks like in person.

[@jasonminter4705]

I would go with the Quentel because I am currently looking for a new Bible to use to preach from and it seems that the Quentel would be better for the public reading and preaching of the Bible. Tim, would you have any other suggestions outside of the Quentel for Bibles that would make great preaching Bibles?

[@timwildsmith]

I love the ESV Preaching Bibles from Crossway (kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHndl2p7e61qqKs) and the Cambridge Topaz (kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXivgZV6pJWVf6s), too!

[@gleasonparker1684]

I like 2 cols and references.

[@timwildsmith]

👍🏼

[@barblothe3366]

Easy. Quentel. Double column!

[@timwildsmith]

Nice!

[@gleasonparker1684]

I like QUENTEL better than. Trevaris. Q HAS bigger font. And This single column is too wide for me.

[@gleasonparker1684]

The trevaris does have good gutter space.

[@haydenlbray]

Neither because they are both Calvinist translations but I’d love a Treveris in KJV.

[@GanttCarterservant]

lol

[@davegarciaofficial]

😂😂😂

[@chriscravens8318]

You do a video and don't know what style of font is in the T? Maybe research before you do an "informative" video? The answer is in the first couple of pages. Lazy and weak.

[@timwildsmith]

Hi Chris. It’s actually not listed in the front, nor did they list in online. I’m pretty sure it’s Lyon. Doing my best.

[@vagabondsteve]

@@timwildsmith Great video Tim! Your videos have helped me so much, thank you for all your hard work. Schuyler unfortunately doesn't list the font on their website. I spoke to Schuyler by phone and the Treveris is Lyon font. Tim is the Lyon font bolder than the Milo font in the Quentel? It looks like the Lyon font is a little easier to read, because it's a bolder font, is that your impression as well?

[@timwildsmith]

@@vagabondsteve It looks that way in this video... although I believe they have thickened up the Milo in more recent editions of the Quentel (not 100% sure on this, but it looks that way to my eye).

[@GanttCarterservant]

@chriscravens8318 who hurt you, man?