Does modern Israel play a role in End Times? Ask NT Wright Anything Podcast

[@mrseph007]

NT wright is a perfect example of how intellect and academia doesn't ultimately equate to wisdom. He understands how Augustin and Origen were affected by platoism but he still doesn't seem to grasp the hope that the apostles and the earliest church fathers had in the Kingdom being restored to Israel. Yes Tom, Jesus is going to physically be here as you say, and when he is where do you think he is going to live?? Maybe where he said he would to abraham, isaac and Jacob! Eden is the model, and water will flow from a renewed Jerusalem into all the world. Yeehaa

[@JosiahTheSiah]

But that has nothing to do with modern day Zionism. Jesus' kingdom will not be established by earthly imperial powers.

[@dimitrisiliadis4939]

The Kingdom restored to Israel is in your fantasy

[@frankandhistank9164]

I don’t think tom can see the wood for the trees. Simple fact- after 2000 years of being scattered around the world the Jewish nation is restored… It’s a miracle a fact and there is room for it in scripture- regardless of what people thought 2000 years ago.

[@lauriespiker5952]

I've found that Academia leaves little room for the Holy Spirit's work in the heart and mind of the believer.

[@sk8439]

Whilst the formation of the State Of Israel did heighten prophetic expectations of many Christians but it should be noted that many Christians apart from Darby, the Plymouth Brethern and Dispensationalists gave predictions prior to 1948 that a national Israel would emerge based on their understanding of scripture. Spurgeon preaching in 1864 on Ezekiel 38: "..first, that there shall be a political restoration of the Jews to their own land and to their own nationality; and then, secondly, there is in the text, and in the context, a most plain declaration, that there shall be a spiritual restoration, a conversion in fact, of the tribes of Israel' J.C Ryle prior to his death in 1900: 'I believe that the Jews shall ultimately be gathered again as a separate nation, restored to their own land, and converted to the faith of Christ, after going through great tribulation'

[@johnthomson1579]

@@sk8439 Indeed. NTW’’s interpretation that ‘all Israel’ is the church does not give sufficient weight to the fact that Israel has consistently been ethnic Israel prior to this. Israel, or a sizeable remnant seems to be converted at the return of Christ (Roms 11, Zech 14).

[@nibs1989]

Agreed. Why else would Paul call himself an Israelite according to the flesh?

[@dougbell9543]

In these times dominated by a novel Judeo-centric dispensationalism, Tom Wright’s teachings are like a wonderful breath of fresh air. ✔️

[@DdDd-ct7ot]

Nonsense the Bible and it's prophetic statements are not novel.

[@dougbell9543]

@ Unarguably, dispensationalism is novel. ✔️

[@NEMES1-S]

If Israel is not ‘The Holy Land’ and not particularly special in Gods timing, Why does Jesus return to The Mount of Olives and set up his reign on Earth in The New Jerusalem?

[@MarkVincent-v4i]

Just get to the point wright

[@fasted8468]

They have taken up their star of Remphan ✡️ The abomination that causes desolation is about to enter the temple. First the false messiah comes, brought in by "israel" and by extension, USA. Let it be done but not by our hands

[@BeanieUSA]

Exactly

[@WalkingTemple-ws2si]

Amen brother! This is hard to listen to when there is clearly so much in the Old Testament about the re established nation of Israel during the Millennium! Oh well we can disagree and still be brothers in Christ😁👍🏻

[@Shadowcruise99]

@@WalkingTemple-ws2si , during the millennia earth is left desolate, there is no life on earth at that time (Revelation 16:17-21).

[@johnpascoe7058]

Clarification on this subject is sorely needed, many people, especially in American politics, are extremely confused and conflate the state of Israel with biblical Israel. Thank you for this interview!!!

[@ruth6110]

Hello there. I again think this is a very clear example of intellectual thinking not necessarily leading us to a clearer understanding of God's Word. I was introduced to NT Wright by a friend and although I was quite keen at first, I soon found that I couldn't agree with many of his interpretations of Scripture. I think his exegesis has become far too academic. It's the Holy Spirit that gives us insight into God's Word not academia. A deeper understsnding of Scripture does not primarily come through intense study, but only as God opens our spiritual eyes by the power of His Holy Spirit. Sadly, I think NT Wright has gone too far down this intellectual path which ends up leading people away from the specific truth of God's Word. Thankfully, God doesn't exclude any of us from gaining spiritual insight, and that is not through academic study, but the very simple things that all men can access - a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ and following the instructions He gives us in His Word. Seek the Lord with all of your heart and you will surely find him. Hence the need for the Gafcon Movement, the global family for faithful Anglicans seeking to stay true to God's Word whilst fulfilling the Great Commission. Much of the Church of England seems to be at death's doors and it isn't surprising. I thank God for Gafcon. I love Ben Kwashi and others like him. Men filled with the Holy Spirit fire of God. With parents from Jamaica, I was brought up in a home where the Bible was always the final authority. I love the Scriptures. I find listening to men such as NT Wright interesting, but it doesn't hit that part of me that comes alive to the Word of God. It's more like listening to an educational lecture. I find that when God stirs my heart by His Holy Spirit and as I seek Him reading His Word, it's a completely different experience. I believe that God is the greatest Zionist of all time. I would say it is for each individual believer to seek God personally for revelation on such things. Of course, listen to what is said by other sincere believers, but don't take anyone else's word as being the final authority. Go to God's Word for yourself and ask for His insight. I think that the majority of Christian believers who stand with Israel have had that laid on their heart by the Lord. It isn't something they have just conjured up for themselves. Personally, I know that as I read my Bible and pray, it has become clearly evident to me that I have a duty to pray for the peace of Jerusalem which will only be achieved when Jesus returns, and to do what I can to be a blessing to Israel as God's Word instructs us. I don't believe in replacement theology. I see no where in the Bible where the church, the bride of Christ, replaces Israel. I think every believer should devote much time to prayer on this issue.

[@Lipjam]

NT Wright sounds like he may have taken a large dose of replacement theology. Ever seeing but not believing. A useful question I think to ask is: "What do you understand of the word "Israel" in modern or ancient times?" If his definition is anything but a nation then ask how this compares to his understanding of "Egpyt", "Ethiopia", "Syria", "Jordan", "France", "Russia", "China" or any other nation in the world past or present? If he accepts Israel is a nation then what exactly is Paul talking about for the future of this nation in Romans 9-11?

[@kristopherwalhof3660]

I'd strongly encourage you to read his entire argument (for Romans 9-11) in the New Interpreters Commentary series. He articulates things very clearly. Wright's is not a "replacement theology" where (in caricature), Israel (Jews) largely failed in their role as God's covenant people, so God replaced them with the (Gentile) Church. Wright shows that (for Paul), Jesus is the one true Covenantally-faithful Israelite. He is the Israel that never was. He is Israel returned from exile. Simultaneously, he is also the divine presence returning to ethnic Israel, attempting to draw the people back to their Covenant God. Jesus gathers around himself **twelve JEWISH men, as a core of his relaunching of Israel in order to bless the world (i.e. Genesis 12). Then from him and them, *both* Jews and Gentiles are drawn into that renewed (not wholly *new*) Covenant through Jesus, the Jewish Messiah. In Galatians 6.16, Paul calls the Church (composed of both Jews and Gentiles), the "Israel of God." Likewise, Wright concludes that in Romans, Paul can use the term "Israel" to speak *both* of ethnic Israel, but also of the Jew+Gentile Church. And that is what he is doing in Romans 9-11. In his conclusion that "all *Israel* will be saved," Paul is saying that all those who accept Jesus as Messiah (both Jew and Gentile) will be counted among God's Covenant people. That is the shorthand of it, but Wright makes a much more thorough argument in his commentary. Again, I would strongly recommend you consult it.

[@sandrasilliman6148]

@@kristopherwalhof3660 great explanation!

[@okorebe]

Jesus doesn't want us to be thinking about time tables, He wants us to be thinking about faithfulness!

[@DB1960UK]

Not what Matt 24 says

[@okorebe]

What does it say? How about Acts 1:7-8 which says, And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

[@johnpatrick1963]

If the world would end tomorrow, I would plant an apple tree today, do something to build the kingdom of God! He could come back any day for any of us, our life is but a vapour, we have no guarantee of tomorrow.

[@stephenbailey9969]

Our task is to spread the gospel to every soul who doesn't know him, that they may begin new life here and now. Every day is an end time for somebody. Be the light to one and all.

[@apotropoxyz6685]

If Jesus wants us to think about faithfulness, and he is the absolute master of creation, then why don't we think about faithfulness? Your god is either omnipotent or he isn't.

[@joecipriani2478]

It was by faith that made Abraham special. It is by faith in Christ that one is saved - which is open to everyone. There is NOTHING redemptive in the blood of Abraham. Never was never will be.

[@josephabiti]

While I hold N T Right in high regard, the notion that "we, the most intelligent scholars, have deciphered the trajectory of history" exemplifies the enduring influence of the Enlightenment within the scholarly community.

[@petersherwood5887]

Oh dear, it’s so depressing to see NT Wright so spectacularly mismanage Israel. He is such an erudite man, brilliant scholar etc… but he gets this horribly wrong.

[@stevemccorkel5004]

@@petersherwood5887 sorry he’s right you’re wrong. This is, by the way, what the church believed about physical Israel. Maybe it’s not him, but it’s you. People don’t ask this enough. Where are going to go now? You can only go to a western, dispensationalist to have the doctrine reinforced for you. If you would care to read Ezekiel for yourself, slo and patient, you might see. There is so much in NT Wrights talk that should cause you major pause.

[@TogelTr]

@@stevemccorkel5004 No, you and NTW is wrong. NTW says that everything is fulfilled in Jesus Christ (or something like that), as if nothing is left for physical Israel, but read what Jesus Himself said when prophesying the destruction of Jerusalem (which came true in 70 and 132 AD): Luke 21: 22 for these are days of vengeance, *to fulfill all that is written.* 23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and *wrath against this people.* 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Physical Israel in Jesus' time was still to *fulfill ALL that is written!* About what? About the wrath against them! Written where? Where else?? Of course in the Scripture, which, in Jesus' time, only the Old Testament books were in existence. Leviticus 26 is among them.. the punishment, sevenfold four times over... which translated into almost 2000 years of exile and destruction and persecution of the physical Israel in the land of their enemies, as God said... far longer than the mere 70 years exile to Babylon, why? Because of their rejection of the promised New Covenant (Jer 31:31) brought by Jesus the Christ (not for killing Jesus, though, but for continually rejecting the NC). However, is that all that is written about that people? NOPE!!! Leviticus 26 ended with God remembering His covenant with their ancestors. The prophets, Ezekiel 36-37 is full of prophecy of their return, as well as many other passages in the other prophets. ALL OF THESE are to be fulfilled as Jesus said, and most of them have been fulfilled with the return of the house of Jacob, the culmination of which will be the fulfillment of this prophecy by Gabriel, which would be the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant (between God and David): Luke 1: 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the *Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,* 33 and *he will reign over the house of Jacob forever,* and of his kingdom there will be no end.” That is why the opposition against Israel's return and possession of their own land is sooo strong, because when Jesus Christ comes back, the reign of Satan on the world will end! (Rev 19-20), and thus, Satan is working sooo very hard to prevent that from happening, using his armies of Muslims (the largest Antichrist body in the world), because if there is no subject/people, there will be no King, and if there is no land for the kingdom, there will be no King. However, King Jesus will win!! Ever wonder why Rev 19 says that when Jesus comes back from heaven riding His white horse with the armies of heaven, there will be large armies on earth gathered to make war against Him? Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. That scenario is already playing out now.. and if you stand with Palestine.. that means you are standing with the armies that will be making war against King Jesus Christ!

[@petersherwood5887]

@ Maybe you’re right. Maybe NTW is right. Maybe what I believe I received from the Lord is right. We’ll see. May you be richly blessed as walk in the reality of Jesus, Steve.

[@joycemorrice9509]

Great subject to get NT Wright's perspective on Israel.

[@PatrickAdams-q7r]

Finally, someone gets this right! And of course it is NT Wright--well said, sir! I have spoken to many christians about this issue and it seems to boil down to a weak Christology. Many Christians mistakenly think that there are TWO bodies of Christ! One is the modern Jewish people and the other is the church! This is western eschatology run amok. There is ONE body of Christ. When Jews turn to Christ, they become part of that body. They don't exist as some other body of Christ, nor as his people. The purposes of God and his people, the Jews, was the gift to the world of Christ. Christ embodies the fulfillment of all the law and the prophets. Christ said, "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." So when is everything accomplished? He tells us plainly from the cross, "It is finished (or, accomplished)!” "Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." So did heaven and earth pass away? I think they did. What would be the consequence of the same Word that spoke the cosmos into being entering death? A recreated cosmos, surely, a passing away (literally!) of the old order, the old way of things, the law. "Behold, I am making everything new!" The new heavens and the new earth are here because Christ and his church embody them. We are now witnessing the "birth pangs" of that new order coming into being.

[@TogelTr]

No.. you definitely are wrong, not according to my words, but Jesus' own words. Read this, when Jesus prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem and 'Israel' of His time: Luke 21: 22 for these are days of vengeance, TO FULFILL ALL THAT IS WRITTEN. 23 Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and *wrath against this people.* 24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Read verse 22 above. Jesus prophesied something that will come AFTER HIS TIME, and that these things will FULFILL ALL THAT IS WRITTEN. That means, there were still things that were not fulfilled by Jesus Himself, but will only be fulfilled after He went back to heaven, by another subject, who? The Jewish people or probably more precisely 'the nation of Israel' (Jesus said 'wrath against this people'). For how long and what does this include? All that is written about the wrath against Israel were so many, but also include restoration after the wrath. Read Leviticus 26.. and esp the end of it where God said He would remember His covenant with their ancestors. If Jesus Himself confirmed that there were still prophecies written about the nation of Israel, why does NTW says that there is nothing more or no more prophecies yet to be fulfilled by the nation of Israel? Yes, "all the promises of God find their Yes in him (Jesus) (2Co 1:20) but this does not mean that Jesus is EVERYTHING AND ALONE in fulfilling all of those promises? For instance, God promised a Son of David to sit on his throne forever... that Son is Jesus, but Jesus cannot sit on the throne of David that has no subject/people and land. That means, Jesus will actually be the King of Israel on the throne of David, as also confirmed by Gabriel: Luke 1: 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and *he will reign over the house of Jacob forever,* and of his kingdom there will be no end.” Can we say that Jesus is CURRENTLY reigning over the house of Jacob? No we can't!! And is David's throne in heaven? No it was not! David's throne was in Jerusalem, reigning over Israel, exactly as Gabriel said, over the house of Jacob! That is YET to be fulfilled. And Satan knows this, and is working very hard to prevent this from happening today, and therefore he is deploying all of his armies (mainly the Muslims) against this scenario.

[@pelayanjpa7086]

St. Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. St. Matthew 23:38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. St. Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ’Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ " Jesus Christ will come back in Jerusalem. The Jews not Arab not Islam not Christians will welcome Him. That is why He returned Israel back to Jerusalem in 1967.

[@jrettetsohyt1]

Why can’t God do both? Both physical/literal and spiritual/metaphorical fulfillments?

[@joshnelson3344]

I believe He can, and apparently He already did fulfill the physical/literal promise… “43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there.44 And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.” Josh 21:43-45 “21 You brought your people Israel out of the land of Egypt with signs and wonders, with a strong hand and outstretched arm, and with great terror. 22 And you gave them this land, which you swore to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey. 23 And they entered and took possession of it. But they did not obey your voice or walk in your law. They did nothing of all you commanded them to do. Therefore you have made all this disaster come upon them.” Jer 32:21-23 “20 Judah and Israel were as many as the sand by the sea. They ate and drank and were happy. 21 Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the Euphrates to the land of the Philistines and to the border of Egypt. They brought tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.“ 1 Kings 4:20-21 56 “Blessed be the Lord who has given rest to his people Israel, according to all that he promised. Not one word has failed of all his good promise, which he spoke by Moses his servant.” 1 Kings 8:56 8 You found his heart faithful before you, and made with him the covenant to give to his offspring the land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Perizzite, the Jebusite, and the Girgashite. And you have kept your promise, for you are righteous.” Nehemiah 9:8 42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham, his servant. 43 So he brought his people out with joy, his chosen ones with singing. 44 And he gave them the lands of the nations, and they took possession of the fruit of the peoples’ toil, 45 that they might keep his statutes and observe his laws. Praise the LORD!” Psalm 105:42-45 19 And after destroying seven nations in the land of Canaan, he gave them their land as an inheritance.” Acts 13:19 (physical land promise fulfilled) “ 32 And we bring you the good news that what God promised to the fathers, 33 this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’ Acts 13:32-33 (TRUE land promise fulfilled)

[@oliverjamito9902]

Thank you for attending unto our own! Remembering who said if ye Love me! Love you too

[@minkymandy6065]

And what about Zechariah 14?? Before Jesus returns, God calls all the nations surrounding Israel to war against Israel (whom He has regathered to their land), immediately after which Jesus returns & fights against the nations to Jerusalem and lands on the Mnt of Olives where He reigns during the Millennium. In Zech 12:10 God says that on the Day of the Lord Jesus returns (recognisably crucified) to the remnant of unsaved Jews in Jerusalem & pours out a Spirit of grace & supplication on them to induce repentance.

[@SpotterVideo]

Why did the Apostle John quote from Zech 12:10 at Calvary? Was the Spirit poured out on Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost? In 2 Thess. 1:7-10 Paul said Christ returns "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. There is no Plan B of salvation based on race in Paul's words. Peter also talks about the fire on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13. All races of people need to hear the Gospel now, before it is too late for them. Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Joh 19:32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN." Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED." (NKJV)

[@stephenbailey9969]

The one point we must consider is that the scriptures say what will happen, how God will drag the nations to his day with hooks through their jaws. But it does not say that the administrations running Israel today are the good guys. In fact, scriptures suggest Israel in general will abide in falsehood, will choose a false messiah and have a false peace, which will result in tragedy.

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

​​​@@SpotterVideo Interesting take on John 19:34 and Zechariah 12:10. However, Calvary is part confirmation of Zechariah 12:10. John 19:34 establishes that Jesus was indeed crucified, but the reaction (mourning throughout Jerusalem) of Zech 12:10 happens at a future date. There's no way you can read Zechariah 12 and come out thinking that was fulfilled in it's entirety 2000 years ago. What do you think? So Calvary happens 2000 years ago but in the end times Jesus appears and the Jews are forced reflect on the famous event 2000 years ago and are overcome with grief for having missed Calvary and the Messiah..

[@SpotterVideo]

@@TheWatchmanWebsite Did you miss John 19:37, where John quoted directly from Zech. 12:10? Are you ignoring what Paul said about Christ returning "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel in 2 Thess. 1:7-10?

[@17attewell]

If replacement theology is the basis of your view then his views make sense. He ignores various text that do not fit with his replacement view. The proof is in full view as predicted by the bible that the Jews will be back in Israel and as it says in Romans 11, the vail will be removed and they will acknowledge Jesus. On this specific text NT has acknowledges previously that he could not explain this text, the reason being it contradicts his theology. At this time we are seeing the exact fulfilment of the theology that various text state that the Jews will be back in Israel and will recognise Jesus as the true messiah. Sadly the CofE is dying on the vine, the average attendance at a CofE is 33 and 1 child.

[@jrettetsohyt1]

The semantic range of “generation“ in the Bible, like that of “day“, is wider than a single meaning. You could choose a meaning that creates a contradiction or nonsense, or you could choose a meaning that makes sense. What you choose probably says more about you than about the Scripture itself. For example, in Psalm 14:5, the word “generation” is clearly used to refer to humans based not on time, but based on kind. This is how to make sense of Matthew 24:34. Why would Jesus speak this way? He was always talking in ways that emphasized that we didn’t know when the kingdom was going to come and therefore we had to be ready as if it were coming at any time. It’s a motivational frame that helps Christians of every generation keep motivation to stay awake, spiritually sound and ready. Perfect use of language.

[@jrettetsohyt1]

And please note that this is not about making up meanings to make something make sense, this is about finding real and more clear instances of the range of a word’s meaning as used by scripture itself.

[@AS-sn5gf]

cope

[@rocketmanshawn]

Choose your own adventure dictionary. One needs only to look at how Matthew used it throughout his book to understand the meaning. Not once was it ever used by Matthew, like you suppose.

[@gregrice1354]

Sadly, it appears that Prof. Wright is gambling on his own natural life ending long before Yeshua Raptures Believers before God's foretold Day of Wrath, Day of great and dreadful Day, Day of the Lord. He has so many books to correct otherwise, and apologies to make to Dispensational Churches, denominations and Believers. He's missing a great opportunity to be a leader of research and "correction" of the erroneous man-made creeds from the 1500s, when the Gentile Church, centered in Europe, retained and festered with anti-semitism and especially anti-Jewish sentiment, among both Catholics and the off-shoot Reform creeds. They felt hard pressed to explain the lack of a Jewish state, couldn't foresee the miracle of 1948 coming in 400 years, so they created a "rounded off" or "smoothed over' human made eschatology. Prof. Wright is missing a huge, historic Church and world ecumenical opportunity for education, unification within the Church among Anglicans and Protestants and perhaps even Catholics. Anglicans could sponsor and underwrite Lee Brainard and others to extend the search for more documents of the early Church Father's view of the Rapture and Dispensationalism as the clear teaching of the early Church and the Apostles.

[@ken170647]

The first verse in the Gospel of John where Jesus is given titles (1:49) refers to Jesus as "King of Israel". In Scripture, Israel is understood as owned by God and the Jews are the tenants. Israel has been occupied over the centuries by different groups of people, but Israel remains Israel, and now Israel is once again receiving its people from the diaspora and regaining its land from the occupiers. Luke 21:24 speaks of a definite period of time of gentile occupation of Jerusalem. If Jesus was "King of Israel" when was he stripped of this title and by whom? Who has the authority to remove this title from him?

[@lestergellatly2552]

"Only if these decrees vanish from my sight, declares the LORD, will Israel ever cease being a nation before me." (Jer 31:36). "For God's gifts and his call are irrevocable" (Rom 11:29).

[@chrishantla503]

A perfect example of choosing your proof texts to argue your preconceived ideas.

[@trippotto9303]

@@chrishantla503Also, a perfect example of scripture that is false if NT is correct. Want 20 more?

[@jrettetsohyt1]

The fact that Ezekiel 48’s prophecy about the return of Israel also includes language referring to specific tribes and their individual boundaries within the traditional holy land makes it very difficult to interpret this as if it had some analogue to, and fulfillment in, the Gentile Christians. Whereas, references to Israel as a whole are easy and logical to connect to Christians.

[@rustys5111]

What is interesting about that Ezek 48 vision is that it is nowhere to be seen in the new testament. It includes sacrifices and other elements that are ruled out by the new testament. If it was ever to become a physical reality, you would assume it would be mentioned in Daniel or Revelation. The closest n.t. reference would be the New Jerusalem descending to the new earth in the end of Revelation. Peter says that believers are being built into a spiritual house. Hebrews confirms that we are not looking for an earthly city other than what is shown in Rev 21-22.

[@faustinolozano8623]

Wasn’t Jesus a Jew from Israel?! Why use the name Palestine when it didn’t come until 134 AD?!?

[@ThomasHJ15]

He was a Jew from Galilee. There was no nation called 'Israel' at that time, so it's just as anachronistic as 'Palestine'.

[@OnlyVisitingU]

@@ThomasHJ15 Mt 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. According to NTW the whole world is now Israel? ✡ "Am Israel Chai."

[@chrishantla503]

I love NT Wright and agree with his eschatological take of the land and temple. Jesus clearly points to Himself as the fulfillment and expansion of God’s reign extending to the entirety of the world, as He becomes the locus of the new Ezekiel temple. I also understand the very thin line he is trying to walk in not denying the atrocities of the holocaust against the Jewish people. However, his response about putting the Jewish people back into their ancestral home as a means to right a wrong, ignores the Imperial British agenda that was quite nefarious at the time, and the very real deceptions and double-dealing the Brits pulled off post World War 2. The Brits were allied with the Arabs against the Ottomans in WW1 and then pulled them into fighting against the axis forces with the promise that they would then support regional Arab autonomy and rule. They double crossed the Arab nations, carved up the lands, instilled their own puppet rulers, and all to exploit their oil riches. The fact that they then gave a portion of the land to the Jewish people and armed them to the teeth against the Arabs was a massive betrayal and has created generations of atrocities ever since. The real problem with the myth of “the holy land” and the “dispensational story” placed atop the actual history of the region, only manages to perpetuate the dehumanization of an entire Arab speaking population, conveniently allowing western powers to continue to obtain the mineral resources (ie oil and gas) of the region on the cheap. The return of the Jews is not God’s story of redemption at work in the world, this is the empire’s twisting of truth to suit its own insatiable appetite for power. The veracity of this statement is in the fact that the region has remained at war with itself for the last 80 years, while the empires gobble up its best resources. A tree is known by its fruits. If this were really God’s plan on action, we’d see a lot more reconciliation of Isaac with Ishmael, and a lot less bloodshed and violence.

[@ThomasHJ15]

​@@OnlyVisitingU Maybe the word 'nation' needs to be clarified here. There was no political entity called 'Israel' at the time. 'Israel' as described in the Bible is not fundamentally a land but a people. So a phrase like 'the cities of Israel' can still be used, but it's equivalent to 'the cities inhabited by Israel', rather than a strictly political border along geographic lines. 'Israel' are the spiritual heirs of Abraham. So modern Christians and Jews will disagree as to what this term describes today. In Jesus' time, the city of Jerusalem was not in the kingdom of Israel but the kingdom of Judea (from which we get the word 'Jew').

[@joblower9961]

because he's evidently anti-Israel

[@annapickett4545]

I hope that you will read this. There is a progressiveness in Scripture that we need to hold too. While still being physical, we see the word land and temple etc. also still in a physical way along side the ultimate fulfilment in Christ.

[@spencergarrett1054]

Replacement theology. Think about Romans 1:16. Salvation To the Jew first, think about Romans 11:14, and all of Romans 11. Jesus came to seek and save the lost. Jesus is God so why would he replace the covenant he made with Abraham in Gen 15 and why do so many in the church think that Gen 15:18-21 has come to pass in Jesus when this is a irrevocable covenant. Just read the Bible for what it says and stop spiritualizing plain texts that you don’t like.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

Exactly! Why is this faulty theology so popular? I don't know. My guess is pride. Not good.

[@ays5696]

Joshua in Portland… if you see the Scriptures are not divided in dispensations but progressive covenants, you will come to understand and love with new appreciation, the New Covenant (fulfillment of the Everlasting Covenant). You will see it with new eyes and so also, read the Scriptures with proper understanding. When you understand that so much of words & ministry were a “last call” to Jews who had forsaken the Mosaic Covenant a final time. Jesus brought His Kingdom, not a reinstitution of physical Judah and Israel, to them. Unless they were to be born again as He told Nicodemus, they would be lost. The significance of the Temple veil being torn in two is HUGE.

[@ays5696]

It posted before I finished… it signified and spoke loudly, by the finger of God, that the Old Covenant was finished. Jesus prosecuted, so to say, the last lawsuit against the Jews. He’d prosecuted others as laid out by the prophets and followed with exiles. In 70 AD, the final judgment was executed with the destruction of the temple. The nation had not had a Davidic king since their last exile and scattering. To enter His Kingdom from the Resurrection forward, there is NEITHER Jew nor Gentle…. That’s not an ethnic-equality-only statement but shows (as does the entire letter to the Jewish Christians in Galatia) that the Old Covenant which had one covenant people was no longer in effect. Israel’s people were meant, as Isaiah explains, to become a servant nation to all nations. But she failed. Thought herself superior and “only.” Also, God’s intent before the foundation of the world was to bring the great revelation of Himself, Jesus, to the earth to fulfill Genesis prophecy. Israel, the Old Covenant people, were keepers of the Word of God and the bloodline that would bring forth Jesus’ incarnation. The fulfillment of The Everlasting Covenant made between the Godhead before Creation is The New Covenant, therefore, the last covenant. The New Covenant brings the Kingdom of Gods via the establishment of His Church with Jesus as the Head. At the end of all time, Jesus will not have come back ‘secretly’ to remove Christians from the warth, but will as it says in Thessalonians, with a loud trump and shouts. By the way, The Schofield Study Bible notes literally reverses the wheat and the tales in the parable of the wheat & tales in Matthew 13:30, in order to shoehorn the supposed Rapture into the parable. He’s dead and knows better now. 😁 Also, being “grafted into the vine” is terribly misunderstood in Dispensational doctrine. Israel’s branch was to be cut off in this final prosecution and judgment. Jesus made that point many times. The axe was at the root. So much more to unpack. I do understand your pain and angst with the teachings you were taught from childhood. The same with me. The fact it causes you angst is a clue. It breeds fear. Hal Lindsay’s book scared people to death as has the Left Behind series. There are some good study books which would help reorient your view of these things. Not in my office, so not thinking of ant at this moment. It’s morning and not fully awake. 😂 Bless you Joshua for looking further into these things, and may you find peace in your heart regarding all of it.

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[@jamspoon59]

15:57 onwards That makes so much sense!

[@catpocalypsenow8090]

Great interview. American Christians prefer groupthink over the word of God.

[@keithnelson6511]

It's okay, NT Wright can be wrong on some things❤. I still love and respect him

[@remalim9471]

NT Wright is correct.

[@Loriorealestate]

Great conversation! Thank you

[@Loriorealestate]

It seems to me that anyone can turn scripture to say what they want and maybe we should just wait and see at the resurrection?

[@austinholt6072]

This comment section is fascinating. Anyway, the person interviewing Wright is a good match.

[@Shadowcruise99]

The State of Israel is not the Israel of the Bible. Christians need to figure that out. Unfortunately, they believe what they're told rather than researching the matter for themselves.

[@captainlogic2455]

Good point. GOD called Jacob Israel - Zionist, atheistic Jews in the 19th/20th century (and if not atheistic then Christ-denying and therefore God-rejecting) called THEMSELVES Israel. Spot the difference? Romans 9.6 "For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel." However, the Jews remain elect as a people and God's grace will return to them - that's my understanding of scripture. But daft Christian Zionists who think that modern "Israel" can do no wrong - give me a break!!

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

​@@captainlogic2455That's because Christian Zionists are a cult. And they do not understand scripture. They have made and continue to make a idol of ethnicity, land and a people! John Hagee and Speaker Of The House Mike Johnson are an example of two such men who are not only delusional but are men that have blood on their hands! They are evil and anti-Christian.

[@ruth6110]

I don't think you can find the answer to this timely issue by doing research. In the same way that you can't get saved by intellectual means. Salvation is an issue of the heart, and faith in God, and revelation of the role that Israel plays in God's grand plan is similar. It requires spiritual insight which can't be achieved by doing research or study, but comes by seeking the Lord. I love the way God works outside of our systems and structures. Without the Holy Spirit none of us can see right or do right, irrespective of how much information we have available to us.

[@DdDd-ct7ot]

The Bible clearly states the return of Jews to Israel is part of End Times. NT Wright thinks his UK centred view is Biblical. It is not current events in Israel now mirror prophetic passages from the Bibie. The Greek Orthodox Church and many Christians from many tradition accept this. The Jewish Rabis also describe End Times embedded with Israel's wars . N T Wright is wrong he never directly quotes scripture but always interpretates it according to his assumptions. He never mentions numerous Bible statements about Israel Jerusalem and the Jews because they are impossible to refute.

[@rociolevito]

Where is a true teacher like David Pawson when you need him? My recommendation is that everyone goes back to listen to his lecturas on the Last Days on KZbin.

[@Powerslave-gi7nx]

My recommendation is that you need to listen to Zach Davis, or N T Wright, as well as reading your Bible. I used to listen to David Pawson but then I started to read my Bible and realised how much I'd been brainwashed by Zionist preachers.

[@petersherwood5887]

@@Powerslave-gi7nx I have read just about everything Tom Wright has written and he gets this spectacularly wrong. Not just a little. And what is particularly weird is that it is generally almost impossible to glean what Tom Wright really believes, so hyper-nuanced and equivocal are his unfoldings of the scriptures. Not so his meanderings about Israel. Doesn’t it just show you that one is foolish to put much trust in men, even really smart ones.

[@Powerslave-gi7nx]

@@petersherwood5887 If we look through blue tinted glasses everything appears blue doesn't it and people get it spectacularly wrong when they call grass green. Dear Peter, once I thought like you but then the Spirit of God opened my eyes or changed my lenses when I started to really read my Bible. It takes years to deprogram but this is how it began with an illumination of Gal 3:26-29, "there is no Jew no gentile BUT WE ARE ONE in Chris"t. Rom 2:28-29 tells us a real Jew is not a physical Jew, but one circumcised in heart ie anyone who believes in Christ. And the knockout blow for my old paradigm was Mat 2:15 quoting Hosea 11:1, "out of Egypt I called my Son', Matthew clearly referring to Jesus and Israel as being one and the same. My introduction to typology then tells me that Israel was merely a shadow, a type, of the real deal which was Jesus, the fulfilment or total culmination of what the OT was all about. To say Israel still has a part to play is no different to saying we must still crucify snakes and look at them to gain our healing John 3:14. As a child I got a toy, a 'type' of a Porsche but give me the real thing and the type is history!! They never teach us typology/types and shadows in church do they, have you ever wondered why? I could go on and on but I've just shared how I got from A to B, if that seed falls on fertile ground another brother or sister will take you from B to C, then we begin to learn ourselves how to get from C to D, we don't need Bible Colleges when we see through the correct lens the Gospel is so simple it takes a preacher to make it complicated. Be blessed, and be patient, this world is one huge web of deception and the churches we grew up in are not immune...

[@ruth6110]

​ Absolutely! Of course, God gives us particular giftings. Some are called to be teachers or preachers ....., but ultimately, we should never put our trust in man. We must firstly seek God's leading for ourselves. The Holy Spirit is the best educator.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

Totally agree! What a disastrous theology this video presents. And UK's problem with Islam and Islamism might be also explained by faulty and tragic theology.

[@joecipriani2478]

And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. Galatians 3:29 (NASB) ---

[@jrettetsohyt1]

Remember that even by the time the book of Hebrews was written, it clearly says that the Mosaic covenant has not yet been done away with, though it is “near” that point.

[@SpotterVideo]

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the new covenant church of Mount Sion and the blood of Jesus in Hebrews 12:22-24. These verses were written in the present tense during the first century to Christians of Hebrew ancestry, who were having problems letting go of the Old Covenant.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

I agree with NT Wright 100% about the modern nation state of Israel! But the situation is even more. As a Full-Preterist our ultimate destination is Heaven not a refurbished planet earth that we'll take complete dominion of.

[@stephenbailey9969]

Except that the final destination of the Jerusalem above, after Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, is a new heavens and new earth. It is the restoration of all things, as Peter said. The spiritual and physical joined as one. Or at least that is what the scriptures literally say. The denial of the goodness of the physical, and a purely spiritual outcome, was the gnostic heresy.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

@@stephenbailey9969 Completely and utter misunderstanding of everything! Heaven is NOT none-physical. Gnosticism has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. Upon death you stand before the Lord immediately. Then the righteous are transformed and given a glorified Heavenly Body. See Hebrews chapter 9 verse 27. On the New Heavens and New Earth... This part is more lengthy. In the ancient Jewish culture when you said Heaven and Earth you were saying or making a reference to the Temple in Jerusalem. It was a idiom-a expression that had a figurative meaning! The Jewish Temple was a figurative representation of the divide between Heaven and Earth. There was in the temple a Holy of Holies and the Arch of The Covenant. The Mercy Seat or Throne of God was surrounded by Cherubim Angels and was made to represent Heaven. Outside the Throne Room of God when you stepped out of it you had a floor which represented the earth and a lampstand which represented the Sun. Further out from that room in the Temple was a area that had a large bowl of water called The Sea. This is Heaven, Earth and Sea.... When Christ accomplished the atonement and made a New Covenant, the veil was torn in the Temple the old order done away with and made obsolete and a New Covenant was made between God and now All men. And we worship the Lord in Spirit and Truth through faith in the accomplished work of Christ. There are now no unfulfilled or outstanding prophecies left. I'm very sorry to disappoint you. That Bible is a History Book. It is meant for us to now live by faith and truth and hope for eternity with him in the next life that awaits for us in Heaven

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

​​@@stephenbailey9969What I explained in my first reply was the doing away with, and destruction of, that physical Temple in 70AD that was a physical representation of Heaven and Earth. The New Heaven and Earth relationship is now a spiritual relationship available to the whole world and all men. We are in it now and it is a framework upon which the promise of The Resurrection can then happen when we pass from this life into the next life. No longer do we need to make sacrifice or ritual.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

​@@stephenbailey9969If Israel builds a 3rd Temple and reinstates the sacrificial system as heretics like John Hagee and Speaker Of The House Mike Johnson believe they must, then they will have doubled down on the rejection of the work of Christ and will have created a kind of modern day Paganism system no different than Wicca

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@GRXMotorsPNW Except Christ has not returned in glory, which precedes that new heavens and new earth. This is the apostolic gospel. What you describe is the gnostic heresy.

[@awakeningspiritualintelligence]

Jesus was absolutely not a Palestinian Jew. The name Palestine was assigned to the land by the Romans in 70AD after Jesus passed.

[@derrybrooks7197]

Great job 👏🏼

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[@DB1960UK]

I thought the cultivated olive tree in Romans 11 was Israel? There are some things you just can’t replace. At least Paul knew this when he wrote Romans.

[@OnlyVisitingU]

You are correct. Paul uses Jeremiah 11:16 as his motif for the True Olive Tree in Romans 11.

[@LegacyCapitals]

Wow 🙏🏻

[@17attewell]

If replacement theology is the basis of your view then his views make sense. He ignores various text that do not fit with his replacement view. The proof is in full view as predicted by the bible that the Jews will be back in Israel and as it says in Romans 11, the vail will be removed and they will acknowledge Jesus. On this specific text NT has acknowledges previously that he could not explain this text, the reason being it contradicts his theology. At this time we are seeing the exact fulfilment of the theology that various text state that the Jews will be back in Israel and will recognise Jesus as the true messiah.

[@jenniferbate9682]

Justin sometimes sounds like he is sympathetic with the questioners. Thank you for an excellent podcast.

[@PaulDay-ov3oc]

John 3:12 Matthew 13:334-35; Mark 4:33-34; Luke 8:9-10; John 4:24; 6:45; 6:63; 1 Cor. 2:9-14 John 17:11,22; Eph. 4:4-5.

[@PeterForster-f6t]

I can agree with almost everything Tom Wright says, but I am left with a question. Does he think that, after WWII, a secure homeland for Jewish people might have been set up somewhere other than in the Holy Land/Palestine? Surely not!

[@johnthomson1579]

I disagree with NTW - I’m sure this will dismay him. I am not a dispensationalist yet it is impossible to read the NT and miss a heavenly calling for the church. This is not just a calling from heaven but a calling to heaven. Jesus the man from heaven came to take his people to heaven (J 14). However, the final picture sees heaven come to earth in the New Jerusalem so that heaven andd earth become one. I’m afraid I believe him to be wrong on the future of Israel too. Roms 11 sees the salvation of a sizeable remnant in Israel at the Second Coming (Cf Zech 14). The church, I think, is ultimately the redeemed from every age united in Christ. Israel, though called first is saved last.

[@DustinHarrisWHBC]

Trying to figure out where in the first paragraph NT Wright would disagree?

[@johnthomson1579]

@ I think he would put much less emphasis on heaven.

[@DustinHarrisWHBC]

@@johnthomson1579 almost every critique I hear of NT revolves around people thinking that because he emphasizes something that he sees as de-emphasized, it means he dislikes or is spurning the things that are currently being emphasized properly/over emphasized. In my experience with him, his theology of Heaven is the theology of Heaven I see in scripture. It’s intermediate but important

[@MariaBeatriz-r6c]

I really enjoy this discussion. However, my dear NT got confused about the Israelite waiting for 400 hundred year under the Babylonians... it was 70 years. The 400 years was under the Egyptian regime. But this is just a little mistake. The important thing is about that in Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all prophesies and that the new temple is in him. New Jerusalem is through him and people from Palestine are our brothers and sister that are also the image of God and deserve respect, care and love. We are witness of a catastrophic used of power against innocent people, something that goes against the Torah and Human Rights.

[@jonathani1]

Torah says to drive out the people who come against Israel.

[@pv6830]

Interesting... thanks

[@pelayanjpa7086]

2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. You need the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible correctly.

[@bmngocho]

There was no Palestine in the first century. Jesus was a Galilean Jew.

[@apotropoxyz6685]

Huh? Palestine was a Roman province beginning 100+ years BCE and remained that way until Rome collapsed early in the third century CE. At that point, Palestine became a region within the Muslim empire.

[@logicaredux5205]

Incorrect. The Roman province was called “Judaea” until the Roman Jewish War of AD 66-72. It was subsequently changed to Syria-Palestina as a punishment.

[@rociolevito]

​@@apotropoxyz6685incorrect

[@sophie2106]

Palestine was named after the Philistines.

[@rociolevito]

@@sophie2106 then why do people keep erroneously refering to Jesus as a "Palestinian" when there was NO LAND CALLED PALESTINE THEN WHEN CHRIST WAS ALIVE? THE WORD DID NOT E X I S T... it has everything to do with revisionism, brainwashing by anti-semitic, anti-Zionist forces that control this world - forces who LOSE TO GOD ALMIGHTY IN THE END, THANKS TO THE RETURN OF CHRIST TO JERUSSLEM... THE MESSIAH WHOM MANY JEWS WILL FINALLY RECOGNIZE AT THE 11TH HOUR. WATCH DAVID PAWSON AMD LEARN!

[@TwoKrows]

Assumption #1 - Are people of the Bible known today? It’s not clear the people who call themselves Israel are the Israelites of the Bible. People will react violently to this observation but think about it. Where is Edom (the proper birthright owner) today? How about other Biblical peoples? Modern Israel adopted the name in 1948, but does that mean they are all of the tribes of Israel? At most they might be the House of Judah (with a very generous view of an uncharted history), or Idumeans, but they are most likely not the House of Israel. Don’t assume because a nation carries the name ‘Israel’ they are the people YHWH chose. They could be the abomination of desolation (Oba 1:8-11).

[@DeanMeraz]

In the Quran it is said that Israel isn't a state its people are the Son of Israel.AKA Son of Jacob.. And If you look at them Closely common Europeans and Israel doesn't seem that much different. So,how can they take middle -east country without being one themselves.

[@rociolevito]

When GOD uses the word "Israel " he means just that. There are no mind games in Him

[@janebaker966]

The Yahoo certainly is The Yahoo is the most evil man on earth now so he must be of the Anti-Christ not God.

[@HeavybagJ]

Yeah the prophecies seem to indicate before The Most High brings True Israel back into the land that Edomites will take possession of it. Ezekiel 36:1-7

[@TwoKrows]

@@rociolevito it wasn’t God that has the memory/history problem …

[@MonVonalot]

"Jesus was a Palestinian" And just like that, all his credibility vanished in a puff.

[@davidmorgan3366]

Nope. The Romans changed the name of Juda to Philisia/Syria, after the Jewish rebellion against Roman rule about 135 AD/CE

[@chrislabrec]

@@davidmorgan3366which was after the time of Jesus, so that argument fails. Look at where Matthew calls the place where Jesus lived in Matt 2:20-21 (land of Israel). Doesn’t matter what other nations called it at the time, or afterwards.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

Totally.

[@IosifStalin2]

23.00 ...if Jesus said soon, he meant "not soon". Thats creative Theology for you.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

Yep, pretty much! I say Wright doesn't go far enough! I'm a Full-Preterist. That means to me the entire Bible is a History Book! There are absolutely no outstanding unfulfilled prophecies! That's why for almost 200yrs started in England then the early years of the Americas to the advent of Darby Scofield and Hal Lindsey, nothing every happens and one prediction after another has been all false!

[@robertbruce1552]

I grew up with the futurist view. I have come to understand the semi preterist view now. If you asked me which one, I believe I can't give you a definitive answer.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Students shared "i" Am will say, why wind a clock? Obviously to wake up in front of HIM!

[@overseaschinese2445]

To say the Jewish people of Europe needed a place to be secure is to say that it is acceptable for the Jewish peoplr to feel unsafe in the lands that they were born,.i.e. it's acceptable for European & American people to make these people feel unsafe in their birth lands. Perhaps the Professor might wish to reflect on this question.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

Maybe he can peek through his little window and see the marches and attacks against Jews by himself. I wonder how he would explain that.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

This theology might explain greatly what is and will keep happening in the UK, including violence against Jews and widespread Islamization. Utterly tragic.

[@gfreeman556]

This is really grea/// yes, the Holy Land was called Palestine, and when I called it Israel a friend got really annoyed with me saying it was called Israel. So the Aliya is nothing to do with eschatology and the return of Jesus...

[@jamesmaybury7452]

The thing most often promised in theBible. Gods land is given to Israel. Can’t believe anyone can twist theology so badly.

[@walterus91]

What a great response! There are many points of view on this topic, but the majority is based on fear, ignorance and a lot of guerrilla marketing strategies

[@mikekennedy8501]

Read the Bible for yourself

[@liammccann8763]

'Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.' - 2 Peter 1-20.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Time will say, how can ye know soon nor quickly in front of HIM?

[@Chris-UK1]

If only the CofE would preach like this! Instead of ................

[@Robert-r4s4c]

When Christ comes again to judge the living and the dead at the end of time ?

[@stephenbailey9969]

In fact. when Christ returns in glory is the true beginning of humanity, a new heavens and new earth without any hint of the corruptible, the spirit and physical joined as one. All this so far is the time of choosing.

[@Robert-r4s4c]

@@stephenbailey9969 Rubbish.

[@stephenbailey9969]

If we are the light of Jesus to others by love and good works, day by day, denying self and following him, then the events of this age don't matter because we are doing our jobs. "Who by being anxious can add a cubit to his lifespan?" It's all in God's hands.

[@catpocalypsenow8090]

Jesus left the temple.

[@charlesbivens6757]

All the Dispensationalists on here saying Wright is wrong (thinking they are the first ones who said it. 🙄) are from America. Connect the dots. 😮🤣

[@jrettetsohyt1]

Remember that even by the time the book of Hebrews was written, it clearly says that the Mosaic covenant has not yet been done away with, though it is “near” that point. Indeed, The Prophecy in Zachariah 14 shows that even into the millennium, there will be animal sacrifices and punishment by God of gentile nations who do not keep, for example, the feast of booths.

[@JILOA]

I love NT Wright. I've learned so much from his books but his stand on biblical prophesy and women in pastoral roles I can't agree with.

[@FollowerofChrist1234]

Deuteronomy 11:12 a land that the Lord your God cares for. The eyes of the Lord your God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year to the end of the year.

[@waynehunter591]

Supersessionism and Preterism - the first position conflicts with Romans 10 and 11, the second requires heavily 'spiritualizing' the text and making a scrambled egg out of Revelation 19. Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts in the first century and the fall feasts (Yamim Noraim - 2 days of Yom Teruah, 7 days of 'tribulation', 1 day of Yom Kippur) point to the structure of the second advent. The events of Messiah's visitation are prophesied in the feasts of Leviticus 23.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

No it doesn't make scrambled eggs out of anything. Preterism understands the hyperbolic, symbolic, metaphorical way in which 2nd Temple Jewish culture walked and talked and spoke about the Unseen Realm and God. It's not complicated at all.

[@waynehunter591]

@@GRXMotorsPNW Prophecy is either fulfilled literally or it is meaningless fluff that should be discarded. Unfortunately that's exactly what most churches do. Jesus fulfilled prophecy quite literally in the first century and will do so again, otherwise he's not God. In spite of multitudinous evidence that prophecies were being fulfilled by Jesus in the first century most of the religious leaders rejected the plain written words of scripture because they preferred to bend them to fit their worldview. Just many 'religious' people today.

[@yishislassieswaiting4748]

I feel the main mistake these people make beyond being dishonest with the clear Old Testament/"Tanakh" is that they haven't comprehended what I notice throughout Yehovah's creation - the priciple of what I call Holy Paradox. Two seemingly opposite things can be true at the same time, thereby causing a third reality ... such as how a boat cannot go toward its destination unless water pushes against its rudder AND wind pushes in an opposing direction. This is why it is imminently clear to me that "Israel" is both a promised-to-the-year-to-be-re-established & flourish by biblical math and language in 1948/"the latter days" AND is also a genetic pool of people AND a Body of all nationalities which come to faith (due to ingrafting). As well, "Jerusalem" to me is both a physical city AND the spiritual realm of worship and experience within the realm of the Presence of the Holy Spirit of Yehovah/Ye(ho)shua (God/Jesus). I discovered in seminary many moons ago that a well-known theologian or two (have forgotten names) i wrote extensively on this principle in the early 1900's, which my former husband shared with me (one of the most precious things he imparted into my life and being), and his high school Bible teacher (a seminarian) taught to his classes in the 1970's. Oh, my goodness, it makes life SO MUCH more peaceful - bears fruiit that is Good. HalleluYah &; >. (P.S. Nehemia Gordon's KZbin video today on what Yeshua taught about God's name is PRICELESS - indeed, another little-known prophecy fulfilled that Israel would forget His personal name until the end of days when He would cause them to remember it again &; > )

[@oliverjamito9902]

Time will say, came with increased in knowledge. Liken HE wind the Clock!

[@cue_khb]

Modern Israel does play a role. That of Mystery Babylon.

[@darrenplies9034]

When did Unbelievable and NT Wright become the Ken Ham’s of eschatology ?

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

What's that suppose to mean?

[@mwilliams6362]

NT Wright has visited Roanoke? Come back any time

[@gracielastaps4646]

His kingdom is not from this world!

[@netsiteing]

The Bible is centred around His chosen people and those who are grafted into Israel … let’s read what the New Covenant is about and with whom … Jeremiah 31

[@ksmathew6494]

It is in fact ridiculous to see people making time tables and spot fixing about the return of Christ while Jesus has explicitly said that even the Son of Man does not know the time tables .Where is said in the New Testament that Jesus will return on the Mount of Olives?

[@sheridangodfrey]

The Obi-wan of theological discussion enjoying a conciliatory discussion with Qi-gon Jinn… maybe it’s just the sandy coloured Jacket 😎

[@SpotterVideo]

New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. If the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20 and the Old Covenant is "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, why would any Christian believe God is going back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Has modern 'Zionism" been a "blessing" to Christians in the Middle East? Has it been a blessing to modern Jews who have been told they are "God's Chosen People", without a relationship with Christ? How many innocent men, women, and children, have been killed in the Middle East since 1948? Was the promise in the Balfour Declaration to protect the rights of Non-Jews living in the land kept?

[@johnsteele870]

Genesis 17 v 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God Amos 9 v 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

[@janebaker966]

Balfour was leaned on and blackmailed to make that declaration. After WW2 he wrote many letters,all in the public archives at Kew,deploring Jewish settlement in Palestine and truly saying true would steal land and disrupt society.

[@SpotterVideo]

@@johnsteele870 Who is the "son" that is the "heir" to the land in the passage below? What did He say happens to those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone"? Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

[@OnlyVisitingU]

@@SpotterVideo I'm not sure what are you implying, however the context is that Yeshua is speaking to the Chief Priests and Elders. It was from them (the Chief Priests and Elders) that the Kingdom would be taken and given to a people (ethnos) who will bring forth fruit of the Kingdom. In Verses 31 & 32 Yeshua tells the Chief Priests and Elders "...the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you." because they believed. The contrast is between the Chief Priests & Elders and the common people. This is the context for understanding and interpreting the parables that follow. Many people try to force the passage to mean something else by reading it thought an Augustinian/Calvinistic distortion.

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@@OnlyVisitingU If you are not sure Jesus is the "son" who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, what does the passage below say about the land promise? Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

[@ManuGeorge777]

Praise God! Dispensationalism is the worst doctrine propagated in modern church history.

[@joblower9961]

I'm not a dispensationalist but I think he's Tom Wrong on this score.

[@benjaminjepegnanam4620]

If Bible verses had not been introduced, would we have dispensationalism today - leading to this utter carnage? What a pathetic God who needs the mightiest army to keep one nation going. Really?!!!

[@i.f7032]

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[@orangemanbad]

The debate is was this already fulfilled after the Babylonian exile or is there a double fulfillment of prophecy at work?

[@ronnedj]

You should have this gentleman debate the other side.

[@RayCousins-ud2pj]

The Jewish apostle Paul in Romans 9:4 declared that the covenants made with Israel are still current. They are yet to be completed.The returning king of the Jews will see that it happens!

[@JR-rs5qs]

NT Wright's CS Lewis answer is a cop out since CS Lewis called all of the 'soon' passages the most embarrassing in the Bible. What Wright is saying about the early Christian's expectations is absolutely FALSE. It wasn't that they were expecting it at any time. They were expecting it within their generation BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT JESUS SAID! These kinds of answers are exceedingly frustrating (but so is his statement about 'women need to control their own bodies, i.e. baby murder'). NT Wright's eschatology makes more sense than most but it's still an abject failure because he doesn't hold to full preterism because he still doesn't understand major aspects of Scripture. Also, his defense of 'the Jews' being given (taken from the people living there at the time) a land for their own safety is morally reprehensible. It's disgusting. It's also cute that he sees ethnic sameness between the 1st century Jews, who were largely whiped out and dispersed into slavery, to today's 'Jews'. They're not in any way shape or form the same.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

I agree. Wright is not a Full-Preterist. Full-Preterism is a air-tight understanding of prophecy. Partial-preterism is just as Futurist as Pre-millennial Dispensationalism. All Futurist Eschatology are quasi Rabbinic Judaism Eschatologies. They all diminish to some degree the finished work of Christ and offer up a 3rd arrival on Planet Earth yet again. I reject all of it

[@anthonylutman]

THEY ARE THE DESCENDANTS, HOW CAN YOU SAY THEY ARE NOT JEWS.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@anthonylutman you don't know the history. In 70Ad the Jews were killed en masse and the remaining were taken into slavery by the Romans. All the genealogical records burned in the temple along with the wicked religious establishment of the day. Judaism continued in rabbinic form since the temple was no more. I'm not saying that Jewish DNA isn't present in individuals over there, but there are no more records and as far as 'purity of blood' goes, they don't have it. They're the nations/gentiles just the same way you and I are now. If they want healing, they must go to Christ.

[@PastorChris87]

Imagine thinking with your grade 12 education, you know more about Roman History than an actual historian.

[@ruth6110]

I think that's where we get it really wrong - believing that having a clearer understanding of Scripture is dependent on how well educated we are. Thankfully, it isn't. Just look at the first disciples - most of them uneducated men - but after the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, they were equipped to understand and preach God's message. Without the Holy Spirit, we can have no clear understanding of the Scriptures.

[@annemariededekind6271]

So god changes and his word changes like a rolling stone .....evolving

[@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme]

This is some of the most insane and toxic rhetoric that Christianity has to offer

[@katiecugini979]

What is some of the most insane rhetoric?

[@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme]

@@katiecugini979take your pick. But I was talking about the rhetoric which encourages the flock to seek the end times

[@dallasburns677]

@@katiecugini979 Getting excited about global chaos because it means "the end is near" is disturbing to say the least.

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

It is not the Chaos that is exciting, rather the excitement is in witnessing the chaos in the context of the prophetic time line. I have loved prophecy since I was in high school 20 years ago and I'm not going to yawn when I'm witnessing the pieces falling together!

[@Idontknowwhatswaitingforme]

@@TheWatchmanWebsite that’s exactly what I’m talking about. Don’t stop to consider the global implications of being mistaken, just get hyped for the personal implications if you’re right

[@july9177]

He has got this so wrong.

[@moledude]

Is there truly no middle ground? Yes God speaks of a New Creation, but also a New Jerusalem. Yes there is neither Jew nor Greek, but just as male and female are spiritually equal yet distinctly structured here on earth, is there no room for unity-with-distinction between Jew and Gentile? Yes Paul ends in Rome, but every church he visits he collects money and has it sent to the believers in Jerusalem. When Jesus comes back with his earthly body I don’t think he’ll first touch down in Britain or the USA. It’s clear where he’ll land.

[@nohram.bernal7449]

Number of times "Israel" appears in the OT only: more than 2200. Number of times "Palestine" appears in the whole Bible: 0. Number of times the word "Christian" appears in the NT: less than 5. Whoever tries to dismiss, ignore, twist, sniff at . . . what the Bible already states is unwise, to say the least. "Do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you" (Romans 11:18). But just calling the Jewish Messiah a Palestinian disqualifies this whole teaching.

[@sk8439]

The problem with Wright's hermeneutic is he tends to flatten out all biblical prophecy into a once-size-fits-all spiritualised church and Christ consummation fulfilment. It's clear the apostles and the prophets did not adopt such a view. Wright's view of Israel in Romans 11 is the replacement theology version: 'Israel' being the church rather than a temporal unbelieving ethno-national Israel. He is wrong on this unfortunately.

[@kwesikamau3458]

Was Israel even a nation in Paul's day?

[@rocketmanshawn]

Israel is all those who believe. It's not about ethnicity.

[@SeanusAurelius]

Wright would presumably object to a really low church view of communion or baptism on the grounds of "Water or bred or wine" can't do anything, and point out that God uses ordinary things in extraordinary ways. But when it's a land or a kingdom? Nope, can't be. Just like the dispensationalists he opposes, he throws out the baby with the bathwater, IMO.

[@JamesBarber-cu5dz]

Wright tries so hard to be a politically correct evangelical that he comes up with "obvious" interpretations that are neither directly implied by Scripture nor ever imagined by anyone else in all of church history. To be sure, he's a fine historically oriented biblical scholar....but a horrific theologian. If eschatological theology does one thing, it points to both Christ as its fulfillment and Jerusalem as His holy seat within the new creation. To that end, it's theologically implausible to wiggle out of Paul applying to earthly Israel the timeless principle that "the calling and gifts of God are irrevocable" (the land being a central aspect). Thus, it's unsurprising that Israel defeated multiple superior enemies to secure the holy land precisely 2,000 years after its ill-conceived war with Rome, leading to Jerusalem's destruction, first began. Of course, the fact that Israel makes the prideful British seem incompetent when it comes to innovation probably doesn't help their case with someone like Wright 😉 Especially, when you consider that God must be blessing them to achieve everything they are....which perfectly aligns with His ancient covenantal promises to them. What would these truths, if accepted, do to Wright's politically correct, quasi-Reformed theology?

[@DrEitanBar]

You can't brush away Romans 9-11.

[@konstantinmorgunov196]

The Bible is a closed book to Dispensationalists because they are carnally-minded and when they read passages about heavenly Jerusalem they think it's talking about some earthly/carnal/sinful Jerusalem. Take for instance, (Heb.12:22; But you HAVE COME TO MOUNT ZION, and to the city of the living God, the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, to an innumerable company of ANGELS...) NOTE: this passage DOES NOT say that the saints "are GOING TO COME to an earthly Jerusalem" (in the future) but rather "you HAVE COME" (present tense). In other words, the saints (all believers in Jesus Christ) had already come to the "HEAVENLY JERUSALEM", to "THE CITY OF THE LIVING GOD" the HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION with an innumerable company of ANGELS"... But of course the spiritually blind and carnally-minded Dispensationalist will argue and say "Jesus is going to land in earthly Jerusalem just to destroy it one thousand years later anyway..." and will talk about some "7 year great tribulation" that is not in the Bible and some escape ("rapture") out of that "7 year great tribulation" that is not in the Bible and some "millennial kingdom" with some rebuilt temple that is not in the Bible and so on and so forth, without realizing they are just blindly following a false doctrine of Darby, Scofield and the Plymouth brethren that was introduced in the same time period as other false teachings like Mormonism, JW's, "Christian Science", Charismatic/Pentecostalism, 7th day Adventists (from mid 1800's to early 1900's)...

[@holdontoyourwig]

Isn't it incredible that someone can talk so seriously about something that is so obviously nonsense.....🤣

[@reynoldhayes517]

I love NT but he is so wrong on Isreal. Don’t have the time to refute this but he is stuck in the new creation but that comes later.

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

Not only is he right on the modern day nation state of Israel having nothing to do with prophecy, he doesn't go far enough!

[@frankandhistank9164]

I think tom is being a bit naive if ge thinks Israel isn’t part of Gods plan. Its very existence today is miraculous. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t guilty of war crimes either