Schuyler vs. Allan Bibles

[@snowstargazer3939]

I'm surprised at the comments against a higher cost premium bible! Every bible I own has fallen apart or is falling apart. After I spend a lot of time and add notes and highlights that help my understanding I don't like to start over. My goal is to have a strongly made bible that will last. I intend to use it constantly and mark it up freely. I always marked up my textbooks in school and it helped me achieve a better understanding and good grades.

[@chaplainpaul5326]

I’ve purchased 2 Allen readers and 1 Schuyler original Quentel Green ESV (thicker block, thicker paper, no raised ribs). I love the feel, readability, quality, and even the feel of the paper of the Schuyler. It’s my everyday Bible. I love my Schuyler.

[@JordanWallace-nb4id]

If you care for your soul, stay away from the new Vatican versions

[@chaplainpaul5326]

@@JordanWallace-nb4id what are you talking about?

[@gideoneldescanzo1149]

he’s probably talking about the RSV

[@SaltyPalamite]

@@JordanWallace-nb4id If you care for your soul, return to the True Church.

[@gleasonparker1684]

My heart and my money goes to Schuyler.

[@sandygrogg1203]

I understand that the Allan Bibles have a darker font...which is important to me. The darker the type is, the easier it is to read.

[@dale5497]

This is a good point. I have Schuyler, Allen, Cambridge, Crossway Heirloom, and 316Publishing bibles. I have to say that I think Schuyler's print is not dark enough for me, and I especially love Allen's printing.

[@crucifiedlife9700]

I have owned several Allan bibles, I now have one left. I have given away, traded, or sold all but on. I have several Schuylers and love them all. For me, the paper opaqueness is so much better and the print is easier on the eyes. They are just a better fit for me. I have just never been able to understand the fascination with the Allan's.

[@seanmoore5706]

Really great video! Way to keep it objective and informative. Appreciate your input.

[@lewisdoyle]

Nice job. Enjoyed that video. Would love to see Allan innovate with their own printing style. We’re blessed to have both.

[@carole4136]

Excellent video! Nice comparisons. I agree that Schuyler's packaging reminds me of Apple.

[@RaYBaSHKatan]

Schuyler seems to have more what I expect and looking for in a premium Bible.

[@m3rcynside458]

I have the Schuyler Canterbury in goat skin. Love it. Good video!

[@jadedoldguy]

Great review. I've picked up, and then later sold, Schuyler bibles, but they are indeed very well made. I just prefer Allans. There's not even any comparison in my mind. But you touched on a point, aesthetically anyway, about a "mom and pop" type feel - should you ever be interested in a real mom-and-pop, American-owned bible maker, check out Church Bible Publishers (out of Michigan). Really great, well-made bibles, using AA leather. I'm affiliated with neither, but certainly appreciate their products. Both companies have self-made videos on their sites (and here) about them, their processes, etc. Really great to see. Anyway, just wanted to throw that one out there, since it's not one you see/hear about very often. Keep up the great work. Subscribed.

[@gleasonparker1684]

I like the cross on the Schuyler.

[@Richyttt]

Choosing a favorite between Schuyler and Allan is like choosing a favorite child 😂

[@gleasonparker1684]

I have several Schuyler Bibles but I don't have any Allan Bibles and I really don't plan to get any based on what I know now.

[@artistchristos]

I have 3 NKJV Schuyler's: Treveris, Quentel, and Personal Quentel. I have 2 Allen's with one due to arrive later in July: 53 Longprimer, 7C Brevier Clarendon, and a 62 Longprimer Sovereign on the way. Both brands are beautiful bbles, but for me the Allen's have the best fonts for my eyes because they are crisp, dark, and in fabulous 1952 + style classic fonts. Allen's are superior quality in every way, in my honest opinion.

[@conniefessenden8097]

I have both Canterbury and Quentel Schuyler Bibles and you simply can't go wrong with a Schuyler. However, Cambridge caught my eye with their turquoise Bible. The deep dark and bold red letter edition may steal me away from Schuyler. Problem is that Cambridge seems to always have a short stock of the turquoise Bible. I love the beautiful gold ribbons as well.

[@sixgunslingin]

I bought my first Schuyler, a slate Treveris in ESV. Amazing. Allan must be nice

[@bblair2627]

The noise when you open the Allan is the win

[@wgold22]

I'm looking at premium Bibles but I'm not used to KJV so Allan is hard for me to decide on. I have a $13 KJV I'm working through now.

[@AlvinRyder]

Great vids Mr Frisch. Thanks

[@meganlouiseoregan397]

Hey Tim, I think they are both extremely beautiful made bibles, I wish I could afford one. I'm going to save I've decided. :)

[@Jay-ef2ii]

This is my recommendation to you. This is the ISBN Number: 978-1-4335-2721-0 This Bible [which is an ESV] was made in Italy and it's by Crossway. It has a good font which I think you will like. The font is 14. Yes, it was Printed and bounded by LEGO (Italy). Best of luck! Don't worry about this Schuyler Bible, it has a small font.

[@gleasonparker1684]

@@Jay-ef2ii good advice ..esp font.

[@Outrjs]

What did you get?

[@Fourwedge]

Great video. Thanks for detailing the differences.

[@VinylFlesh]

Schuyler>>>

[@thedistrict909MusicwithSoul]

The Schulyer does not have red letter. So maybe Cambridge. Which Calf Skin Cambridge would be similar to the REVISED Schulyer NLT PSQ?

[@Pastor4all52]

I have that exact Schuyler. A wonderful size, crystal clear font. Beautiful-quality goatskin, very well constructed. It has become one of my very favorites.

[@jayman1338]

A Schuyler Quentel with an Allan goatskin cover. 👌

[@AlvinRyder]

I've gone with R.L Allan ESV1for its 36 GSM "bible paper". I have several other bibles which use that French 28 GSM "indo-paque" paper, it has very nice color and opacity, thin, light, smooth but too fragile for my liking, prone to: creasing, crinkles, curl and other damage! The ESV1 is in the 5.5x8.5" format so weight and thickness are not an issue, there's no need to go ultra light on the paper. For the larger sized bibles ~6x9", granted these Schuyler Bibles are stunning, but I already have a Cambridge ESV Topaz which is equally stunning, very similar materials, modern font, chapter and verse numbers in red, top grade 28 gsm paper ..., however, I prefer the Topaz, has: verse by verse format, words of Christ in red, references are in the "right place" and they aren't microscopic. Topaz has a 10 point font which is not too large for me, 11 is over the top, I prefer 8 or 9 point max.

[@maryl.7226]

Thanks; this is an excellent review. I like the way you showed the features right together, showing the cover of each one after the other, moved on to next feature. You covered the features individually, comparing each Bible with the same feature. Some reviewers do one Bible, then the other Bible, and forget some features. Also it's easier to compare with each Bible immediately after the other. So this was great. Throwing in my two cents on the fronts of the covers: I really love the Schuyler's Jerusalem Cross on their cover. I think the one on the spine is WAY too big, bordering on "gaudy." I would like to see the publisher and logo more subdued; it would be so much more classy and elegant. But on the front -- I love the Jerusalem Cross and that it isn't gold, rather blind-stamped. I think it is such a great distinguishing touch. But that's just my taste, obviously.

[@barbaramandy8708]

I love both. I have one Allan, a KJV, that I will probably give away or sell because I don't enjoy that version enough after spending some time with it. One of the reasons I love Allan is the 36 GSM paper. The 28 GSM is just so darn thin and fragile. I wish Schuyler would come out with one style of thicker paper. Just my opinion.

[@j79meyerify]

I completely agree I love my Schuyler but I always feel the page will rip when turning.

[@mitchellwest1986]

I think both are really wonderful! I have both, but I prefer my Allan. The reason being is because I like the old fashion traditional text. I’m more of a mom and pap person.

[@indymac7]

I have quite a few of the Allan Bibles, which I like very much. If...Schuyler would make one in a FULL YAPP, in KJV I'd but in an instant. The full yapp has the classy look. And I prefer the Highland Goatskin. The Calfskin is becoming quite popular.

[@andregodfrey5520]

Very nice camera setup and clear video. I own Allan. I own Cambridge. Very impressed with Allan look and softness. The headband (white binding) on my brand new Allan looks less sturdy than my Cambridge. But, I am unable to put down my Allan because it is so soft and gorgeous. Does anyone else see minor headband or binding issues with their Allan bibles ? (Allan is so darn beautiful in my opinion).

[@AFrischPerspective]

Agreed. I think the Allan is a beautiful Bible.

[@TimTheTuner]

Guys! Isn't anyone going to talk about the leather aroma? I'm dying to know how these premium Bibles smell! How do they compare? Which is better? ;-)

[@AFrischPerspective]

They all smell great my opinion. The antique brown PSQ and the Allan highland goatskin stand out in my mind.

[@nicholasvasiliades6957]

Excellent comparison. Some people like Rolls Royce, others Bentley--can't lose with either. I own multiples of both (Bibles, not cars!) and love them all, but my my Schuyler is my go to because I prefer NASB. However, I could do without the Jerusalem Cross. I think they could have come up with something better than that.

[@sandygrogg1203]

Nicholas Vasiliades I love the Jerusalem Cross... Why don’t you like it?

[@vegasvent]

Schuyler!

[@Giancarlo_1997]

One question with the Schuyler how is it with highlighting and underlining with 28GSM vs 36GSM in my Zondervan NASB95 SCR bible?

[@sandygrogg1203]

Great review. I am pretty sure my first premium Bible will be a Quintel , mainly because of the larger font I wish it as verse by Verdejo in style, because it is so much easier to see.

[@AFrischPerspective]

I agree, it would be great if they had a verse by verse edition as well. At least the verse numbers are nice and bold and easy to spot.

[@tobiasfoppen2658]

I had the RL Allan Blue Goatskin within a year the pages fell out. RL Allan replaced the Bible with my choice. I asked for the Cambridge Concord edition and never looked back. I have two other Cambridge bibles. Never had a schuyler before.

[@AFrischPerspective]

That's too bad about your Allan Bible. But Cambridge are excellent Bibles!

[@romantichero]

They sell thousands of bibles. I suppose it’s bound to happen once. The exception proves the rule.

[@erinjoy8338]

Do you still have the psq? Would you ever sell? I love the antique brown and have been looking for one in the nkjv.

[@HeartInLight]

I havent seen a premium bible yet that has actually red art glide. Its more like a pinkish color. Neither of these look red. And my nelson is the lightest pink of any of them.

[@joelfields9807]

I like your comparison with Schuyler and Apple (I love my apple products to). I prefer the Schuyler for the consistency and the style and I love the Milo font in the Schuyler. The Allans in my opinion will usually blow your socks off or you might feel a bit underwhelmed. Great review thanks!

[@AFrischPerspective]

Yes, Allans seem to be hit or miss with people. I really like the ones that I own. But Schuyler puts out a consistently great product from everything I've seen. Thanks for the input!

[@joelfields9807]

DJ-RocketMan The print in the Turquoise looks amazing good choice!

[@AFrischPerspective]

@@dj-rocketman8545 Cambridge Bibles are fantastic! You won't be disappointed.

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

Anyone know of a online store that ships internationally that sells quality bibles at good prices? Amazon is fine, but after tax and customs its stupid expensive. I need a place that uses cheaper shipping.

[@AFrischPerspective]

Allan includes international shipping, but their Bibles are expensive.

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

@@AFrischPerspective sweet will check them out

[@jamesbeitia1353]

Blood Bought Ministries, if you are in the USA, Church Bible Publishers make very nice high quality bibles at an incredibly low price.

[@tobycovington868]

I prefer KJV and have always purchased from Church Bible publishers, who have recently moved to Longview, TX closer to me. Just ordered my first Schuyler black goatskin Traveris KJV. I have no Allans but maybe in the future.

[@ThecrosseyedTexan]

Okay the following statement strictly pertains to me. I cannot with a clear conscience spend $200 on the Bible. If I have $200 to spend on the Bible I would most likely spend $100 and then buy a second one just like that one so I can give it to someone. Like I said that's just me.

[@basedcataphract5852]

Yeah me too, i don't really care about a premium bible, i probably would by one or two on my life, except if somehow i became a millionaire, then i would give away many

[@shanebrowning8862]

I see a lot of care and co cern for the presentation of the Word. They obviously value it and it is presented that way. Do the math on blowing through a $20 Bible every year or spending $100-$200 on one that will last??? Some are lifetime quality. It ends up cheaper.

[@ThecrosseyedTexan]

@@shanebrowning8862 I'm somewhere in between I have a thin line giant print NIV cross reference that I spent 80 bucks on it's not the top of the line it's not the bottom of the barrel I think of it as a really nice Camry lol. If I take care of it it will last me a lifetime

[@NovikSlava]

How much did you pay for the phone, car, and etc. With clear conscience we don’t hesitate to buy phones, tvs, and other stuff that we change them after few years, but to pay $200 for the Word of God somehow some feel guilty. Doesn’t make any sense to me.

[@ThecrosseyedTexan]

@@NovikSlava if I have $200 to spend on a Bible for myself I would rather buy two $100 Bibles and go find someone who can't afford it and bless them with one. As far as my phone goes I always buy last year's models because they're usually a lot cheaper. I'm legally blind so I don't drive a car. I have always liked the Bible for people it's just a thing that I do and it's a way that I like to bless people. If I was going to spend $200 on a Bible I would buy two $100 Bibles so I could have one for myself and then keep one in a box ready to go so I can find someone to bless with a beautiful brand new copy of God's word. $100 buys a pretty nice Bible and I just enjoy seeing people be blessed when I have the ability to do so. It's not a question of a guilty conscience it's a question of conviction but only my conviction. I enjoy blessing people so that's what I would choose to do if I had $200 to spend on a Bible. I also don't own a television. I've never made a lot of money in my life and I know how awesome it is when someone blesses you with something and what better thing to bless somebody with than God's word.

[@randywheeler3914]

I know this is a number of years later but figured I would throw in my two cents there are pros and cons to both and I have to say it's hard to pick a favorite I will say however they both are my favorite Bibles out of the about ten others I own either way you can't go wrong with either of them

[@christopherboerger]

Not a fan of the typography used in the Allans. I definitely prefer the typography on my Schuyler. I wish my Schuyler had thicker paper though - I could go with a tad less ghosting. That said, there is no accounting for taste so to each their own.

[@CryoftheProphet]

they are both bound and printed by the same binder, so yeah

[@jasons8259]

Love my Treveris KJV, but have three Allan KJV's that I love just as much.... they all have pros and cons

[@forgottenman749]

Do they have a version with the apocryphal books or deuterocanonical books?

[@AFrischPerspective]

Not that I know of, but you can check evangelicalbible.com and bibles and bibles-direct.co.uk to see if they have any Bibles with those books.

[@forgottenman749]

A Frisch Perspective ok thank you I’ll check it out.

[@dgm2006]

Schuyler has some RSV Bibles with the apocrypha.

[@gleasonparker1684]

Do the raised hubs support the spine strength ?

[@gleasonparker1684]

I VOTE FOR SCHUYLER. I WILL NEVER BUY AN ALLAN AS LONG AS EVANGELICAL BIBLE IS OPEN. .

[@jesusceballos2459]

Schuyler 🔥🔥🔥

[@Robtmmartine77]

Where can I purchase the Allan full yap long primer? I’ve only found them on eBay for $650 to $750 and beyond.

[@757OMG]

Type in bibles direct. Click bibles kjv. You will see all there selection. It will cost 175 eu which is 205. That includes shipping to the states. I bought an Allan from them and it took about 2 weeks. Bibles direct is the Allan company so you get it direct from Allan. Don’t buy one anywhere else. They have 4 colors right now in the 53. They also have a 53c which has the cyclopedic concordance. That is a little thick for everyday use. I bought the treveris from Schuyler so I can’t spend another 200 now but I will get a longprimer next. The schuylers are sold through evangelical bibles. They do sell allans but what they have is the 52 and it is more expect than bibles direct

[@TomPlantagenet]

From my perspective, the newest versions of the Schuyler Quentel are looking more like the Allan (thinner profile/more yap) while the newer Allans are not looking like the Quentels. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. Both great Bibles but Allan is I believe standard. Even Cambridge’s Topaz seems like an homage. Not trying to be mean: Allan came out with a good product and the other companies were wise in matching it. God bless!

[@ghostl1124]

IF I ever buy one of these two, I would buy the one with the bottom references/notes. Schuyler. I just like bottom notes, or side notes. I don't like center column notes because it takes away from the reading smoothness (to me) . But it is not the Bible, but how God leads us from reading a Bible. Still, if any book is going to be a quality printing, it should be the Bible, for it is God's word.

[@MCGaar]

I own both. Both companies are excellent. Almost like BMW vs Mercedes. But There’s something about the goat leather Allan uses here and on the NASB reader. Soft but incredibly supple. Not inexpensive but worth it! And I love the Allan yapp as well. Schuyler spines and ribs are classic too.

[@gleasonparker1684]

ALlan is really JUST A BINDER..... NOT A MAKER LIKE SCHUYLER.

[@debravale3648]

Survival box has a linen woven pattern to it

[@pfridell8424]

I was very interested to see these bibles but gave up because all you did was pat the bibles with your fingers and flip them over to show the spine. If you're going to show a bible, show the bible!

[@gleasonparker1684]

I think I might like a small yapp.

[@j.dieason7527]

Looks like the main vote goes to Schuyler judging by the comments

[@AJSmith-lt5yc]

I'll go with Schuyler since they created their own typefaces for the different versions. Plus they are more affordable across the board with comparable quality. Allan definitely no slouch. Right there next in line!

[@igregmart]

Church Bible Publishers make some of the best KJV Bibles published today. They give the big commercial publishers a run for their money.

[@qwertyuioppoiuytrewq1199]

Is there a good leather book of Enoch thanks

[@davidenglish583]

does the NRSV have enoch in it? that might be your place. find a leather bible with that in it.

[@basedcataphract5852]

No bible have the book of enoch, but you can buy it in itself and rebind it

[@2025Rapture]

@@basedcataphract5852 If you can find yourself an Ethiopian bible, the book of Enoch is included.

[@stevetucker5851]

Allan wins in my opinion.

[@melclarke64]

Then why say vs..good grief need views much

[@sdenniscrosby]

I’m just over here waiting for a NLT PSQ

[@qwertyuioppoiuytrewq1199]

What would be the best king James bible with the apocrypha

[@AFrischPerspective]

Sorry I don't know. I don't have any Bibles with the apocrypha.

[@qwertyuioppoiuytrewq1199]

A Frisch Perspective is there a better bible maker than Cambridge that makes bible with the apocrypha for 100 dollars and under thanks

[@davegarciaofficial]

The Cambridge Cameo Edition with Apocrypha is the best you’ll find.

[@narrowistheway77]

@@AFrischPerspective it’s history and not scripture anyways haha

[@JohnnyBoy1982]

I love my allan... schuylers look amazing but (unpopular opinion) I hate the Jerusalem cross stamped on the front of every bible... 😒 😑

[@nobodyspecial1852]

I like it but would like options

[@datchet11]

I used to have a R L Allan NIV1 but i sent it back because I could not justify owning a bible of that price.

[@claudiabailey5302]

Yet people own mobile phones, tablets etc that cost more and will eventually be out dated. Funnily enough i today just ordered a NIV Allan and at 48 years old I won’t have to buy that translation ever again because it a one off payment for life. I have had cheap bibles but they just tend to fall apart although they are ok to throw in a 🎒

[@justinkase1360]

The Schyler looks very gaudy to me. It is a heavily branded bible and what is worse is that they use a roman catholic symbol as their logo. I don't know how a protestant could bring themselves to buy such a bible. In addition, I prefer the yap on the Allens for protecting the gilding and I prefer the thicker paper on the Allens. I think the Allens have a much classier and timeless look to them. Simple, clean and well done. No, they don't have the trendy raised ribs, not that I have a problem with raised ribs, but I just really don't think it matters. I'm looking for an NSAB reference bible and I MUCH prefer verse by verse rather than the paragraphed Schuyler, much easier to find particular verses. In addition, I MUCH prefer the center column references on the Allen, they are just right there directly across from the text they correspond to, it just makes so much sense. I'm probably would prefer a stitched edge but really it doesn't matter. I think more of the Schuylers also omit the concordance, which is something I really want in my bible. Anyway, as I said, I would never buy a Schuyler anyway because of the symbol.

[@woodwalker8743]

It's just a Jerusalem cross it is not inherently Roman Catholic

[@justinkase1360]

@@woodwalker8743 The Kingdom of Jerusalem was a crusader state, it was a roman catholic state. People rightly associate this cross with the crusades and roman catholicism. It is roman catholic.

[@raysmith315]

Other Crosses Accepted by the Lutheran Church (highly protestant ;-) ) The Lutheran church also recognizes other types of Christian crosses as suitable for their members to wear. Here are examples of the crosses that the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod lists on Lutheransonline as associated with their faith: Byzantine cross - The Byzantine cross of the Eastern Orthodox Church has two smaller crossbars: one at the top section of the cross and one in the bottom section of the cross. There is also a version that looks like a plain cross with fluted ends at each point. Celtic cross - The Celtic cross is a Latin cross with a circle at its intersection. Jerusalem cross - The Jerusalem cross is also known as the Crusader's cross or the five-fold cross. The broad cross has four smaller crosses within the larger cross design to represent the five wounds of Christ. Anchor cross - The anchor cross or mariner's cross is a cross formed in an anchor shape. It symbolizes the idea that every Christian's hope should be anchored in Jesus Christ. Triumphant cross - The triumphant cross, aka the cross and shield or the cross of victory, represents God's rule over the world. Alpha and Omega cross - This design features a Latin cross with the Greek letters for alpha and omega below the middle crossbar.

[@justinkase1360]

@@raysmith315 Your quote is from an online jewelry shop from what I can tell. If I'm wrong then please let me know. Anyway, their position seems to be based on a list of crosses on a now-defunct website for "Trinity Lutheran Church - Billings, Montana ". It no longer exists but I was able to look at snapshots of the website using "The Wayback Machine" website. It simply does not say what they claim. It lists official crosses and symbols associated with Lutheranism and their church and then lists other crosses and their supposed meanings/interpretations. That's it. Please provide an authoritative source if you have one. Personally, even if the Lutherans did allow it, I do not approve for reasons I've already stated.

[@basedcataphract5852]

You got a point on allan but that's not a catholic symbol

[@kopusetic]

Not a fan of the Jerusalem Cross. I like every every other feature of the Schuyler. Do they offer a Bible without the Jerusalem Cross?

[@leathertool]

I'm sorry..but I do have a problem with some that "collect" high end bibles..I don"t think Christ would by these to keep them in a box..The same Word of God is in a cheap or even used bible..Moneycould be putto better use..I think if one can afford one..then thats what they should buy..Chose ONE good one..and be thankful for that..I have seen people and thier collection .but the binles are never read..so sad

[@NovikSlava]

I don’t think you mind to pay twice or 5 times as much for the phone that you will replace in few years.

[@brawlnoob7791]

The word of the Lord is the most precious thing we can have on this earth wanting to bind it in the best materials should be the norm. I understand why there are cheaper bibles mostly for new believers and the very poor. It’s too bad most are made and bound in a communist country. I read my high end bibles however I am very careful with them. Making sure to wash my hands and to gently turn the pages treating God eternal word with respect and dignity. Having beautiful bibles is not a sin by itself actually it can show reverence to are Holy God and his son Jesus Christ. The comment you made is assuming people don’t read there bibles not sure where you’re getting that from. I’m sure there are some people that I have the wrong motives, but such is life there will always be people doing things for the wrong reasons I think the majority of Christians, who truly believe or not doing what you alluded to. I can make an argument that there isn’t enough reverence for God‘s Holy world throughout the Christian community as well. Imagine they put made in China on all the ones that are maybe then people would think a little differently.