SciCraft S2: Small Creeper Farm / Getting Allays (Episode 2)

[@ShaLiin]

Clicking just to see what a "small creeper farm" is for scicraft

[@Incognito-rb4tz]

its actually pretty small

[@mr.________________3801]

Exactly

[@frankycraft5216]

Same

[@that1guyyoukno]

Hahah!

[@-tikarkittu-9996]

tbh, :( that was actuallay smaal, i was expecting the SMALL word a sarcastic thingy.

[@cola98765]

@ilmango 9:16 one of Distant horizons devs here What you are seeing is a near plane which is unfortunate result of glass being transparent, and our rending being opaque. We hope to change that in the future. You probably have overdraw set to always, but even on other settings such glass worlds might not look good. also if you enable Debug Keybindings in mod's settigns you can use F6 to disable rendering portion of the mod. (F8 changed debug modes so be aware of conflicts)

[@michalnowacki1489]

I love Distant Horizons, you guys are doing lord's work, I stopped playing with shaders because having more render distance makes for superior experience

[@cola98765]

@@michalnowacki1489 while we don't support shaders yet, using Optifine shader loader and some shader packs (BLS or Complementary Reimagined) kinda works

[@davidameye4984]

@@cola98765 can we expect compatibility with replay mod anytime soon? Keep up the good work! :)

[@cola98765]

@@davidameye4984 we are in the middle of major rework... the fix may come naturally as result of it, but if not we noticed quite a bit interest in having this compat.

[@ItsMeKriqu]

Is there plans to add an option to change the near plane? I feel like it's too far away in some situations such as looking down from the side of a mountain

[@lisabos5185]

pig spawner farms sound indeed very interesting, since it is not something you would normally build in a survival server

[@cassie5248]

I agree that would be cool to see

[@logan9699]

Factions servers did it years ago, no new research needed probably 😂

[@ffc1a28c7]

@@logan9699 Factions are fucking horrible for technical minecraft. The archetypical spawner farm is shit.

[@1SSJA]

@@logan9699 scicraft >>>> factions

[@jonathankolberg2706]

Starterfarm and perimeter in one sentence, that pretty much sums up SciCraft :)

[@ShootLiegh]

The concept of having one of the most well known, over the top technical servers deciding not to use TNT duping for non-essential purposes is really cool. I feel like it could be a good push towards renewable sand and moving dispensers eventually if they continue to show the devs they're willing to go this route.

[@androov2797]

Tbh if we get MBE AND farmable sand, I think it'd be even better than tnt duping. I can already imagine a world eater with lowering hoppers to fuel the dispensers 🤤

[@leachofsouls]

I like the pseudo reset and building new farms from almost scratch in the new version. excited to see when yall get upgrade these basic farms into absolutely insane stuff.

[@brainnotfound2521]

on SciCraft u never know if chunks dont render in or if there is just another perimeter

[@mimp8365]

9:38 You should let the flying machine move 2 blocks over the edge so all mobs that get stuck in between the slime get dropped as well and don't decrease the efficiency. Pretty easy fix, if you care :D

[@racernatorde5318]

Narrator: "But he didn't care."

[@mimp8365]

@@racernatorde5318 🥲

[@LofiTurtle_]

Assuming the mob cap isn't reached (which it doesn't appear to be), spawns will still happen at a consistent rate, so the mobs stuck in the middle won't affect anything

[@racernatorde5318]

@@LofiTurtle_ Technically they would block spawning spaces, but ofc it's irrelevant

[@mimp8365]

@@LofiTurtle_ No, I didn’t mean the mob cap with efficiency. When you move a row of mobs over the spawning spaces nothing can spawn there, momentarily. So you’ll be blocking a lot of spawning spaces thereby decreasing efficiency. So yes, I do believe it affects the farms efficiency even though it’s already a pretty inefficient farm.

[@viking6917]

"Still in the early game stage" *Is wearing full netherite and an elytra, with a giant redstone contraption in the background*

[@androov2797]

End portal frames, command blocks, structure voids and water in the nether too

[@AkiSan0]

early game for technical servers is having farm that are very basic with low build effort and low output. the rest is just EOL stuff. dont forget that MC doesnt really have progression, story and endgoals.

[@ovencake523]

they're game is on a different level

[@CoffeeKillersClub]

Welcome to SciCraft...

[@revolug]

This is the same world as scicraft S1, and he kept his gear from that iirc.

[@sanderbos4243]

Would love to see science done on the most optimal spawner layouts in general. MC factions servers offer spawners to the player and I've always wondered what the optimal build for those is when you have stacks of them! (it also depends on the hitbox of the mob, but iron golem spawners are pretty iconic so could be used to demonstrate the optimization approach)

[@ovencake523]

oh true that knowledge could be potentially game changing for factions probably not, but optimizing is still cool

[@rubixtheslime]

My experience with the allays so far has been better than I expected. Used four of them to help dig out a large geode connected to a fairly large dripstone cave. The only issues encountered were: - found overhead water and they they got stuck at the top of the water because they can't swim - they kept flying into the nether portal because I forgot to cover it up - one of them got stuck on a pointed dripstone once So basically as long as you keep them away from overhead water, they're pretty reliable even in a dripstone cave. After that I brought one to an end city. Bringing it there and back was surprisingly easy, and it was pretty good at picking up shells. Would even dive all the way down to the end stone if needed. It seems to be that if you give them an item, put them on a lead, and get a "gradual" running start, you can even transport them via elytra

[@Kai1907]

Ilmango stands in full OP gear in a completly over the top storage system: "We're still in the early game stage" xDDD

[@AkiSan0]

technical server: early game = low effort, low output farms for only basic resources. rest is just QOL stuff.

[@shanebergeron747]

I think he explained in episode 1 that they kept their gear, and moved out to the new location to build the perimeter and storage system first. Then, once that was ready, they basically "started" a new series since most of them didn't feel like doing videos on early-game grind for gear and wanted to get straight to building farms with newer mechanics since 1.12.

[@pugthemaster8]

I know its far easier to duplicate sand or even just mine it, but I'd love to see a desert Quarry just for the overall impressivness

[@ass-master-deluxe]

then you realise that there are only 3 layers of sand on the surface..

[@DesTr069]

@@ass-master-deluxe Sandstone is still good to get, I’d say, even if it doesn’t go down super far

[@androov2797]

They absolutely should do this!! If you search for sand quarry, there is actually 1 cool version of it, I'm sure they can come up with something similar! :D (That quarry works by pushing sand to the sides to collect it iirc, it also moves not sand blocks away so it's kinda afkable)

[@PraiseHeavyLobster]

I'm glad to see sci craft on a newer version! I can't wait to see what you guys do!

[@paulbailey2515]

9:12 It's SciCraft so of course "a million blocks" will be followed immediately by "so nothing crazy."

[@Piglins]

A youtuber that reads his comments and makes good content. Thats what we all want right? Good job Ilmango

[@AlejandroMeri]

17:53 to 18:03 I watch videos at x1.5 speed and in that 10 second segment I thought for sure you guys switched to german or something xD I had to slow it down to normal speed and rewatch it like 3 more times before picking everyting up. I found it really funny, never change.

[@spanishSpaniard]

Whoa this farm shows how perimeters increase spawning massively.

[@The14Some1]

Ilmango, i think the best way to transport allays is to simply run with them not using elytra or leashes. They fly really fast, faster, than you can sprint, and i think they wouldn't stuck that often as leashed.

[@connorbarr7942]

i like this whole "New Season thing," it is very convenient for people like me who joined you late and couldn't be bothered watching 700 episodes in an old version. Thank You!

[@Fyrefrye]

"Some one was here already! There's an End Portal." - Only on SciCraft

[@pangolian]

"It's hard to make an iron farm interesting" Meanwhile Tango:

[@ilmango]

eh. debatable if killing them in a weird way is "interesting", or rather sadistic xD. I can use wardens for the next iron farm if you want

[@pangolian]

@@ilmango I bet everyone would be down to see that!

[@TheAsvarduilProject]

The toon towers ravager method was pretty interesting.

[@justinbchen]

@@ilmango Tango's most recent iron farm doesn't do that; it is actually very novel. The kill system is standard, but the spawning system relies on a timed elevator system to move villagers into panic range. Some other technical Minecrafters have run with the concept to design what is by far the most compact iron farm design. Could be useful if you want an overkill iron farm in a world with limited space.

[@bubblebaath7840]

Everyone else: EPISODE 2, FIRST IRON!!! Scicraft: yah nah we’ve already done more than you probably ever have in a single world aye

[@andre_601]

Bit sad that the SciCraft intro isn't played... I like that one the most

[@nuthhi]

Using amethyst buds is such a cool workaround to allow for flying machine collection.

[@lakryth8741]

It’s cool too see your reasoning when planning starter farms

[@humeruscat7116]

If you want to make the iron farm interesting you can use tnt to one shot the golems with arrows provided by skeletons with power V bows. I would make it in survival but I don't have the resources. I would love to see it applied to a large scale.

[@IhkyGonn]

Lovely timelapse music, mind sharing the title please? Also, very glad to see so much uploads! Love your work, you and the Sci-Craft members

[@guyflynn8216]

It's called The Elephant by Dime Deep

[@guilhermeborges1027]

0:12 "were still in the early game stage" 1- A MEGA SORTING SYSTEM BEHIND when he was talking that 2- 2:59 A FUCKING PERIMETER HAS BEEN MADE already

[@davefroman4700]

Idea to improve creeper/spider efficiency. replace the last two rows of the roof with water source blocks and raise the roof over them. Spiders will drown.

[@bobertjohnson4459]

It’s incredible just how tiny the Hoglin farm is.

[@SylvanSwirls]

Loving the variety in the timelapse music lately

[@billyboi955]

I would love to see a SciCraft version of how many farms can we fit in a perimeter

[@sepiasmith5065]

I'm actually really fond of the new hoglin pork chop farms :D and yeah the allay pathfinding is actually pretty decent. unfortunately they keep breaking leads because they fly erratically (especially when they're holding an item so they try to fly to the player) and it hasn't been fixed

[@saikra9353]

Is that logical geek boys simple villager breeder ( looks like it )? Glad to see his breeder becoming the standard 😀

[@ilmango]

no idea who made it. I like a different one better

[@saikra9353]

@@ilmango I bet with so many things going on its hard to keep track of every little detail, most likely logicals breeder. But as Minecraft continues to increase in popularity, a lot more people understand basic game mechanics and farm designs start to look similar with each new mechanic discovered. Which is why i watch your channel , you continue to showcase not only new limit pushing designs , but ones other people discovered. Even ones that are not optimized , just to show variations of concepts to help people of different skill levels/ playstyles / progression level. Which villager breeder design do you prefer? 🤔 You mentioned a new tutorial channel / series awhile back and have been waiting! 😀

[@WiihawkPL]

>"we're still in the early game..." >full netherrite armor and tools

[@og403]

“Simple creeper farm” 6:00 minutes in, “now these wooden logs get pushed into this chamber so they can be blown up by tnt the most efficiently”

[@miniciominiciominicio]

Looking forward to further testing with TNT sandmining + allays. It’s just more fun to use TNT but if it’s not as efficient then it’s not worth it.

[@RustyNova]

People casually placing end portals is really a scicraft thing

[@Talinoth]

Holy shit that first farm, the Hoglin one... hahahahaha this is the first time I can say that even I've designed a better farm... though that one didn't have a chunk loader or anything. That being said, realising that the production rates for food are so high that it doesn't *need* to be faster or require any design effort is pretty on point. However, if you want to farm Leather (like I did), you'll want a better design. From memory, mine involved a 7x7 hole with an armour stand in the centre for Hoglins/any piglins to aggro on to it, retracted trapdoors both on the sides of the hole and the armour stand support block, a square shape around the hole (sort of like an ancient Chinese bronze coin) as a spawning platform, slightly uneven mushroom placement (more towards corners instead of middle of the sides to drive hogs away from the corners), and this all drove the Hoglins directly towards the centre without pathfinding issues. I then repeated the design so that it had 3 layers. Like you, I had the hogs fall through a lava blade directly on to Hoppers. An hour of operation was enough to give me a multiple lifetime's supply of porkchops and enough leather for all my Bookshelf needs.

[@Raiko01]

the 3 poor creepers stuck inside the flying machine for all eternity

[@Tehwisted]

I love that creeper/spider farm

[@kiwiciwi123]

Tree farm with a wither would be even more interesting ofcourse with a scicraft touch to it :) maybe one with an input to multiple sides

[@godminnette2]

I made that hoglin farm recently and it didn't actually have great rates. Not sure what I was doing wrong; based on block distance the platforms were in range for hoglins to spawn on them yet they rarely did when I was at the bottom, even though I built it ~70 blocks from the bedrock ceiling. Recently made another farm design based on how soul sand and lava interact and the rates are absurd. I had all the porkchop and leather I needed by the time I finished making it.

[@racernatorde5318]

"when I was at the bottom" And there is the mistake. Farms that are build above the nether roof make use of the afk player beeing near y256. Since mobs only spawn at 24-128 blocks distance (spherical) to a player, all the available spawning spaces would then be inside the farm. If you are at the farm level itself, mobs will spawn under the roof and the mobcap will quickly be filled, crippling the rates of the farm. You also wanna build the farm as low as possible, since the speed of mob spawning is higher, the lower the highest block is

[@maxderp6588]

The creeper sweeper! Lol

[@Muddytony20]

Hes finally done it, it's a farm that's fully compatible with bedrock Nevermind the off switch uses quasy connectivity I was hopeful when I saw the trapdoors

[@bluelemon243]

2 way flying machine never compatiable with bedrock

[@romanshorif2330]

I doubt it. Our 2 way flying machine are kind of bulky. And the ones that are one block tall have slime blocks on 4 blocks on each side. That's will reduce efficiency. Also mobs don't creepers and spiders don't spawn that quickly.

[@ERobbo]

Please do the pig spawner thing!! Such an interesting and SciCraft-unique concept for a farm

[@deadlycucumber9020]

“we’re still in the early game phase” he says in his full netherite and elytra whilst standing in a huge storage system

[@noahleahy9458]

best montage music ever < 3

[@KosstAmojan]

"If you have 1 double chest of TNT, you can get a million blocks." My math says you're off by an order of magnitude; one double chest would net you 100k blocks. Each TNT can destroy 27 blocks, which is reduced to 25 since the blocks above and below it are air. Divided into a million and you get 40k blocks of TNT. But a double chest is 54 stacks of 64 TNT each which is about 3.4k, or less than 10% of the TNT needed.

[@racernatorde5318]

TNT can destroy much more than 27 due to it blowing up while the blocks are being moved. His estimate is correct

[@KosstAmojan]

@@racernatorde5318 Forgot about that window. Thanks.

[@bury4660]

where i can find schematic or WDL for tree farm with TNT blast chamber? i play on paper server without TNT dupping it would be very helpful

[@racernatorde5318]

Learn how to build those piston conveyers yourself ;) Look into "smart pistons"

[@yurr7408]

i miss the time when doors were a variable in villages, made iron golem farms so much cooler.

[@fr33domfr3ak5]

Great Music.

[@marek_may]

Im new here I was thinking lot about why are you even making all this farms when you not even playing minecraft normal way or how to say it, just making farms and I realised you making farms to have staff to make even more farms :D and I love it

[@aidenpearson1101]

Hey ilmango, love your videos!

[@jutthelle4417]

I didn't know the term "small farm" existed in scicraft

[@t-mixslo]

What about the creeper farm that methodzz made? Was this video recorded before that?

[@ultimateo621]

I put a nonspawnable block that doesn't render as transparent at the bottom y level of my creative worlds so I don't get any rendering problems with my client mods. I use distant Horizons and don't get that line, so it would probably fix it for you.

[@RylanRay-z2v]

If scicraft doesn't eventually build one of the iron farms that move the villagers as well the iron golems to get higher rates I will be very sad

[@tolgabelike]

Happy birthday mango

[@in1]

Couldn't you also use scaffolding for creeper-only farms?

[@ilmango]

I guess you could use it instead of pumpkin but I don't see any advantage. Also we didn't have string for scaffolding before building the mob farm

[@nathan_hl9556]

the small amethyst buds can be replaced with scaffolding

[@TheDelahunt]

Distant horizons is awesome when you’re playing on a regular vanilla world but super flat as well as skyblock breaks the mod.

[@cola98765]

Is it bad on skyblock? The issue here was because floor was glass, and DH can't do transparency yet.

[@mykramusic]

whats the mod that keeps chunk permanently visible?

[@phantomman7024]

Registered now trying to get some of the main items as he is wearing full netherite

[@TammonOG]

Considering you have bedrock, you could also just use wither cages for a lot of stuff instead of dupped tnt

[@ilmango]

literally 20 minutes we had an escaped wither on the server xD. There's always a little bit of danger with withers and I like blast chambers.

[@TammonOG]

@@ilmango lmao unfortunate

[@tho3459]

Wouldnt pointed dripstone be more effective as a killing method on many of the fall damage farms?

[@racernatorde5318]

The item collection with them is a pain and they can't kill mobs if they should survive the fall (I think). They aren't really beneficial for mob farming

[@racernatorde5318]

@Mango What's the planned upload schedule in the near future?

[@ilmango]

twice a week

[@maxidkmyppseudo4647]

Guessing my sleep will have to wait 26 more minutes

[@jogadorjnc]

"we're still in the early stage" he says in enchanted netherite armor with an elytra

[@augustaseptemberova5664]

25:57 what is this nether portal? lol

[@manganesegoblin981]

Are you going to continue with the quest for a double chest of every item, or is netherite just too unrealistic?

[@Alrik.]

I'm pretty sure they'll try 😜

[@apPaulpie]

getting a double chest of every item is possible but there are some exceptions there are items that are not renewable and requires you to explore the world in turn it i will increase the file size of the world

[@godminnette2]

With 1.65 avg ancient debris per chunk, there's about 2.42 chunks per netherite ingot, or 21.83 chunks per netherite block. 1393 chunks for a stack of blocks, and 75,404 chunks for a double chest of blocks. That's a very large world eater.

[@ovencake523]

there are also illegal items that dont have block forms, spawn eggs and debug sticks maybe the we'll keep experimenting in 1.12 and find a way

[@jochenillerhausji]

@@godminnette2 so a 15 Chunk wide quarry running for 5k chunks = 80k Blocks. Advancing by one block per minute that's 55days?

[@gummygreen5939]

Does putting magma blocks on the walls of campfires still stop the spiders from climbing? If so u could put a 3 high wall Maga blocks around campfires to stop them from going back up if they do

[@sampauling9429]

would it be smart to add some powdered snow every other block at the top of each drop shoot? i didnt notice if they would get caught by a slime block at all but it would fix spiders crawling back up

[@kollinbuch4506]

Any specific reason you didn't use a wither blast chambers for the tree farm. Feels less cheaty than a tnt duper but saves some gunpowder and sand

[@ilmango]

Kinda bored of using withers. We have done that all the time in 1.8 and it would be super easy with bedrock as well.

[@27.minhquangvo76]

Looking forward to a Tsar Bomba/hour creeper farm

[@totalledzebra483]

If you had movable tile entities, would you try making a world eater that uses dispensers instead of TNT duping?

[@jochenillerhausji]

He already did, there should be an old video in the MBE series

[@KWJester49]

prefer just buying golden carrots from villagers to steak/porkchop, but i suppose thats harder to produce in mass, since you have to do trades and wait for them to restock

[@ovencake523]

i like it too, you dont have to eat as often too because of the saturation, and you regen more after eating it but to mass produce them, you could craft the carrots, or do void trading and trade endlessly without waiting for restocks. you just need to complete the trade while the villager is unloaded

[@markburningcandlehamilton1245]

And here I thought no TNT duping was going to become a wither or ghast? or some mob based farm and be novel … but I guess the blast chamber is cool

[@ilmango]

We did it all before. In 1.8 we used withers for everything. I made a creeper based tree farm before and ghasts can be used as well. We will definitely use some alternatives at some point

[@markburningcandlehamilton1245]

@@ilmango are there any farms which could utilize endermen picking up blocks? Like if you made a farm of them in the end and then sent them through to the overworld could you make a grass block farm?

[@benjaminw.1471]

@@markburningcandlehamilton1245 grass block/mycelium/melon enderman based farms have all been made before

[@racernatorde5318]

@@markburningcandlehamilton1245 enderman aren't reliable, which means they are useless for farms that require precise timings

[@Veptis]

I am expecting scicraft to always feature the largest possible and most optimized designs. Always being way to big and making use of tiny exploits as game mechanics. But perhaps for a 2nd episode it will be alright. I have seen the thumbnails of episodes to come.

[@johanavril1691]

you can easily turn off distant horizion in the settings

[@yurr7408]

I still want to see that optimal pig spawner

[@biomursu2798]

The iron farm needs a roof for the villagers so they don't get turned into witches by lightning or no?

[@ilmango]

lightning rod

[@Ailtir]

Could adding another dropchute in the middle of the creeper farm make it faster or is it already optimised lengthwise?

[@ilmango]

yeah there's plenty of ways how this could be optimised in all kinds of aspects. But we're getting enough gun powder to get started anyway. Rather keep it simple and spend more time on other things.

[@nameofperson2289]

could the creeper farm be improved with multiple layers?

[@jonathankolberg2706]

3:50 do you not want to place glass over the villagers, so they do not get converted to witches by lightning?

[@Cera_01]

They probably have a lightning rod somewhere...

[@dragonmaster363]

Was there a shulker box in hoglin farm drop chute?

[@Loup_Garou]

Seeing creepers stuck b/w the flying machine being like that's reducing efficiency,how could mango do that

[@cavie034]

wait why do allays get stuck on blocks aren't they just non-corrupted vexes

[@Kaiasky]

Allays seem a billion times more hassle than they're worth tbh

[@TheAsvarduilProject]

The second coming of villagers lol

[@carterthill78]

Can this creeper farm work on bedrock? I haven't played since 1.18 so I'm not aware of how different the crystals function on bedrock.

[@secondengineer9814]

I think Allay in a Bottle would be a good update

[@nohlbenson1860]

Is there a way to prevent the spiders from crawling up the walls and not dying like water suspended by fences to drown them? or would it not really matter?

[@kobeneilson6717]

Mojang should look at the automation scene, because automated farms are becoming too easy. I think every nether mob can be farmed with just slightly different portal arrangements. However when shulker renewability was introduced, there was some really interesting mechanics. Which made farms more interesting. That’s my two cents. Edit: I think stacking raid farms are another great example of interesting farms, because they are super rewarding, interesting and often a challenge to build and troubleshoot.

[@TimInPaxAeterna]

I don’t disagree, but I wanted to add a potentially influential factor to this sentiment. There are more & more blocks, mobs, etc.. to farm with each update. I love building in survival because that’s also very rewarding to me, but with so many things to farm I also really appreciate how some farms can have respectable rates without much effort.

[@S4M6998]

I build this in my world and is there any way to stop the spiders from spawning so I get just gunpowder?

[@romanshorif2330]

You can try placing carpets but but they would also reduce gunpowder rates. As you reduce the spawn spots.

[@S4M6998]

@@romanshorif2330 the flying machine would break them

[@romanshorif2330]

@@S4M6998 My mistake . Forgot that it won't work with this design.

[@HailtotheKiin]

Is the pumpkin floor there because slime doesn't stick to them?

[@racernatorde5318]

Yes

[@superslimanoniem4712]

I wonder why you didn't make a skirt around the farm to improve pack spawning (thus increasing rates almost for free)?

[@racernatorde5318]

Early game farm. He likely didn't care about it

[@king_br0k]

Would water flushing work to be able to use trapdoors?

[@TryThePie]

Hey, what is the mod called where you can see already loaded chunks out off the render distance?

[@cola98765]

Distant Horizons

[@TryThePie]

@@cola98765 Thank you!

[@motog6436]

Do you not need to break line of sight between the villagers and zombie now?

[@matthewwhitaker7930]

You could also use ghasts in minecarts