Scientists Fail to Provide Clarity on State of Abiogenesis, with John Lennox

[@nikao7751]

As a young lad, one of the first jobs I had my boss taught me that one of the greatest learning tools was to say I don't know, and it's stuck with me my whole life, and I brought that attitude with me towards God and it has opened up the scriptures like never before. God bless and love this ministry 🙏

[@jonathanrussell1140]

So you don't know why the bible condones, nay codifies slavery?

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

Fortunately God did not leave us in a vacuum, and he gave us his word so we have a place to go to begin to form the truth. Proverbs 1:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

[@AtamMardes]

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Religion is founded on the fear & gullibility of many & the cleverness of few." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural bullshit just bc a book says it's the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure & the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free the religious fools from the chains they revere." ♦“To have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.” ♦"The death of dogma is the birth of morality." ♦"Religion fools many bc human brain is susceptible to hallucination & gullibility."

[@nikao7751]

@@Night_Crew_Artist amen my friend. I pray just about everyday, for our heavenly Father to open up our hearts and lives to His word and open up His word to our hearts and lives, and He answers 😊🙏

[@nikao7751]

@@AtamMardes yes religion started with the serpent meeting Eve, and then they continued it with trying to cover up their sin their own way, which is religion, and you're the biggest religionist of them all, please do come to the end of yourself and realize the reality of Jesus Christ Yashua Hamashiach and the truth thereof. The Bible is an integrated message system outside our space time domain knowing the end from the beginning,; His story in advance, learn it and trust in the one who gave it to us, immortal grace, so little time 🙏

[@Kiltley]

It's the toddler-argument: "Blaming other what you do yourself!" Science clearly leaves an open-mind for things we still need to CONSIDER, things we can ASSUME are true or not, things we can ACCEPT thanks to evidence, AND things we simply don't know yet! All religions on the other hand, leave no gap in their claim to know all, what science does, to fill up with another god or no god!

[@mungaikihanya4340]

Scientists are always saying "I don't know"! Otherwise, they won't be doing research!

[@juliuskizitomusoke3958]

@@mungaikihanya4340 that's true... However, I think he's argument is contextually pointing towards scientists scientists who don't believe in God as the creator and originator of all things...

[@joshuapena6757]

@mungaikihanya4340 I understand the point you're making, and it's generally true. But if a scientist agrees they don't know how life began, but a priori rules out the possibility of a fundamental mind's involvement, it doesn't seem that they're actually following that principle. They'd need to have good reason to rule it out, and I just don't see that they do.

[@Sanuck176]

How did life begin? "Idk" should always be the answer then.

[@mungaikihanya4340]

@@Sanuck176 "I don't know, but I have an idea that we can test"

[@Sanuck176]

@@mungaikihanya4340 test away

[@chrismoyle3842]

Science is built on “I don’t know” but carries on to ‘let’s find evidence’ and does it without an end goal in mind. As such science is not the enemy of faith - the opposite, if a faith is right the breadcrumbs will lead scientists to proving god.

[@tberry79]

In theory, yes. But science is done by people - and people are biased by nature. Many of the scientists either hide data or make up data to support their claims.

[@jimaspinall2927]

They do. He would know this if he was a scientist.

[@peggiamekic7775]

Science is the one saying “I don’t know “ until it knows. On the other hand religion is stating “I know and I don’t need to know more” …

[@JThomas1174]

Nonsense. I say idk anytime I don't have an answer.

[@marksakowski9272]

A lack of knowledge is no reason for existence of God!

[@MrMantis73]

Same reason religious people base an entire belief system purely on faith…to admit “we don’t know is too scary” You stop learning as soon as you think you know!

[@fazerianducati]

A lot of scientists do say I don’t know, that’s why they keep looking and discovering. Why don’t theists say I don’t know?

[@rizdekd3912]

Exactly. Why don't all theists saying they don't know if maybe life DID arise naturally so maybe folks should continue with the research into the natural origin of life.

[@MelchiATM]

No theist say he knows anything. But God knows everything.

[@Miguel_Mats]

Because we know.

[@fazerianducati]

@@Miguel_Mats There ya go

[@fazerianducati]

@@MelchiATM Of course it does

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

In fact the say that all the time. The question is, why don't Christians say that, instead of telling us they know what God's word is?

[@Ricardo-yt7fg]

all religions believe that not just christians

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

@@Ricardo-yt7fg The reason I mentioned Christians is that is who was making the comments at the debate. Yes, many other religions do the same.

[@MH-oh8rn]

@@throckmortensnivel2850 We as Christians know because God said he made life

[@AntiSwewingCircleChristianity]

Christians say that all the time.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

@@MH-oh8rn You see what I mean. You claim the authority of God. Here is what Thomas Paine had to say about it, and I agree with him: "Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication-- after that it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it can not be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to ME, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

[@Animagiko]

To be fair, when has a Christian said “I don’t know” when it comes to the origin of life or the universe? They always say it’s God’s creation when they really don’t know, they just believe.

[@lisaregoart285]

I think the point is that Christians belief in a Creator is not incongruent with science. As a Christian I believe in both being true. The evidence also seems to point to God's existence: the universe coming from nothing / the beauty of the world / the programming nature of DNA (Who is the Programmer?) A healthy stance for a scientist is to be open to all possibilities that best explain the origin of life & the universe. Hope that helps. Also if I don't know something - I will also say just that. I don't advocate a blind faith - rather a mind that is open to the evidence. To me, the Bible gives the best explanation to why there is a universe or life to begin with. It is also the most historically attested document in the world.

[@Justmekpc]

@@lisaregoart285only theist claim the universe came from nothing that their unproven sky daddy simply wished into existence Science states we have no proof that there was ever nothing

[@AJJohnson-f2k]

@@Animagiko when a Atheist said "I don't know" always to follow is, "But I know it wasn't god" Hypocrite much?

[@Heymansupp]

Faith, the nature of belief is the highest form of dialogue, in terms of purpose , of existence. Its a realm beyond proof, beyond certainty , beyond deductive reasoning. Faith is through realization . One tries to engage, as one cannot feel taste see hear nor think in one breath, it is exploration of self, of Being . Religion is the story, that some have gained transcendence, call it communication with the divine, found meaning to the human condition . This is what our civilisations are build upon as foundation. Now our new gods are abstraction gods, call it freedom etc. But it seems faith is as far as self goes, but Bible - some has gone further . To question whether this is indeed the words from Father of Days is a matter of faith. When someone says; proof the existence of God, they are nonsensical...

[@Justmekpc]

@ Faith is believing in something without any evidence Name one thing we can’t believe on Faith

[@jinxxanthipi]

It has been my experience that scientist say "I don't know" quite often. Apologists, however, have a very hard time admitting they don't know something.

[@jones1351]

Without recognizing it, he reveals one of his major problems. Scientists will constantly tell you when they don't know; that this is what spurs them to further research. He just never hears it. But I'm being kind. He hears it alright. He's heard it all multiple times. He just chooses to continue his disingenuous rants. Like railing against this particular strawman. What a P O ...

[@LilOnAgain]

Not true. It is the basis however of intelligent design and YEC and every other fundementalist christian theory that has zero concurrent basis in science. Science demands the baseline of "what about (blank)?" "Idk" and then hypothesizing and running tests. The complete opposite of christian perogatives.

[@williamdittmar6450]

I love this guy's approach. He is not arrogant. Let's just have a conversation on what we do know.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

Scientists aren't saying, "we know."

[@williamdittmar6450]

​@vladtheemailer3223 that's a good place to start unless people of faith are considered hopeless

[@therick363]

@@williamdittmar6450scientists say we don’t know so this guy’s approach isn’t accurate

[@JohnPaul-ol5zl]

@therick363 Some do. The leftover ones are so arrogant and Narcissists, they almost believe that if they say "I don't know", the universe will implode on itself. They are so full of themselves. A humble man has the possibility of finding wisdom. A foolish arrogant man will always be lost hearing himself speak. In my 5 decades of life, I can say that I have learned the most from humble individuals. God bless those souls.

[@beanbean3535]

“Not arrogant” screams that you’ve never seen James tour

[@rickkeith1]

Obviously not a scientist. Scientists say “I don’t know” All the time, hence hypothesis, experimentation, data gathering, new theory.

[@AthiestRadical]

He for sure hasnt met any scientist

[@austrianmowgli1578]

Grow up kids. I don't know, is the essence of science. Not stupid belief.

[@dave2408]

Every scientist I’ve seen and heard on the topic says we don’t know

[@Logicallyspeaking-ct1um]

Exactly. Only the religious seem to have all the answers to all the questions. Never in my life have I heard a scientist even CLAIM to know.

[@pigdog1971]

​@@Logicallyspeaking-ct1umthe religion you by pure chance of geographical location and time in history happened to be born into I'm guessing..😅😂😂

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

Yeh but they know there is no God? DNA is just an accident, 1 gram having the equivalent information storage capacity of 88 million grams of 1 terabyte hard disk drives, a 4 letter code compared to the zero's and one's using 100 million times less energy than the computers scientists are using to examine DNA with? With all the biological information to replicate every organism that has ever existed? Even knowing which elements DNA is made of and can't make them form a single protein or gene in a reasonable simulation of a prebiotic earth?

[@DBeskar6605]

​@@Logicallyspeaking-ct1umnope, show me a single religion that teaches they have all of the answers to any scientific topic in their Holy Books. Name one, chapter and verse. You can't because it doesn't exist. Mean while you use a debunked model of evolution invented by a geologist with a disproven agenda and a r@©ist bias, denying the more accurate to the modern evidence model suggested by arguably the greatest Christian theologian in history and medieval scientist. All while also suggesting religion contributes nothing, but Pythagoreans were a cult and all of West philosophy and science was built on their work including when they were wrong like about irrational numbers existing, and medieval scientists were actually the more productive and correct philosophers as the only Renaissance men who contributed to modern science where all Christian Pythagoreans, but wait their is more, all of quantum physics was founded on the work explicitly Christian scientists with the only exception being the religious Deist Einstein. But yes, continue us down a scientific dark age because you are unwilling to accept a reality so obviously the most uneducated and primitive humans figure it out as children and the most intelligent minds in history including all of scientific fathers, every unit of measure named after a scientist, and elements named after scientists are all named after explicitly Christian philosophers except Einstein. Even Socrates was executed for teaching monotheism under the charge of corrupting the youth while he describes the God of Abraham to a T in the book Plato's republic which you can have read to you here on KZbin for free. The only differences between Socrates idea of God and the Biblical idea are details about what happens to the human soul after passing. Every nation and tongue, every tribe and continent knows the God every scientist to ever do anything between 300 BC and end of WW2 and no one questions the idea that he was wise or morally good and most religions try to claim him for themselves including the Hindus who believe in many gods. What leg do you have to stand on? The age of rocks we judge by their depth and not the radiometric dating which proves they have too much carbon 14 to be as old as you say they are? What about the same carbon 14 in dinosaur bones with intact soft tissues and diamonds from the deeps parts of the earth with carbon 14 in them or the fact earth has a magnet pole still and isn't small enough to be a million years old and still have one. Or the fact the moon is still in our orbit but flying away at an inch a year. Oh they claim to have all the answers but you want me to believe life is millions of years old on a planet billions of years old when the moon can't be that old and life needing the moon to be possible or the fact the earths own atoms tell us that is BS. I would honestly sooner believe in a spaghetti monster than bunch of incoherent nonsense that is falling apart more and more with every passing day. The difference between you and me, I am a professional educator with physics degree and a better argument for any God of any kind using only thermodynamics and quantum mechanics than you will ever have against the existence of even Cthulhu much less Christ a dude who absolutely walked the earth.

[@miltonwetherbee5489]

Contextually, he's referring to the relatively small group of "major players" within the origin of life community that make claims about our progress in that field that misleads people into thinking we know more than we do regarding the topic. We know a lot, but we'd be lucky to be able to string together more than a handful of steps just to get a portion of what is needed for a cell to form from chemistry that isn't being guided by the processes of an already fully assembled cell. They do some chemistry, manage to make a measly amount of the compound they were going for, then act like since they got the tiniest bit of it that they solved that problem and can move on, when they haven't show that such a small amount that's made along with a large amount of other stuff would even be able to be used for the next step as all the other stuff that's made will make it difficult for the small amounts of what we were looking for to group together to be used in the next step before being broken down or combined with all the other stuff surrounding it. He doesn't mean that they don't ever say, "I don't know," hrs saying they often don't say it in specific instances where they should. What He's using is rhetoric to make a point. The context is everything else he has said on the topic of origin of life research. What he's doing is similar to when someone says something like, "you always..." That doesn't actually mean always, it means often or at inappropriate times. It's an exaggeration, also known as hyperbole, which is part of rhetoric.

[@cashcleaner]

What do you think the constant experimentation and observation is? That’s literally science saying “we don’t know, but we want to find out”.

[@aleonyohan6745]

Never listen to anyone who uses the word always.

[@hawleygriffin1800]

Scientists say, "I don't know" all the time. This entire video is based on a false premise.

[@Gwaycee]

Not regarding the origin of life. They claim to be able to produce a living cell from nothing and they hate Dr. Tour because he's calling out their lies. Not a single one of them have been able to create life.

[@Jaxorian]

They will not say, 'I don't know', because "Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up." They've sacrificed the meat of the Word on the alter of secularism. And dine of the rotting flesh of scientism.

[@therick363]

Nice lying

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Yeah, whatever...

[@EdwardVanspriel]

@@Jaxorian excellent

[@beanbean3535]

They do say they don’t know when they don’t know something, tour is just lying

[@AtamMardes]

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." ♦"Religion is founded on the fear & gullibility of many & the cleverness of few." ♦"Only fools revere the supernatural bullshit just bc a book says it's the holy truth." ♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure & the intelligent full of doubt." ♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics believe on their own." ♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." ♦"It's difficult to free the religious fools from the chains they revere." ♦“To have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.” ♦"The death of dogma is the birth of morality." ♦"Religion fools many bc human brain is susceptible to hallucination & gullibility."

[@anneolsen4181]

Many do, actually

[@Justmekpc]

They always say I don’t know unlike religious people

[@simbarashemwilambwe8004]

There is a GOD.. Choose Jesus Christ today .

[@Justmekpc]

@ prove it as not one of the thousands of gods man has created has ever been proven to exist

[@pigdog1971]

@@Justmekpc "Ug, magic man in sky create everything"....

[@pigdog1971]

@@RStark-ek7mh what i hear you saying is that fear is what keeps you convinced . To be forced to love something you are sh!t scared of is the opitemy of sadism .

[@pigdog1971]

Religious indoctrination has to be the perfect (taxfree) business model, a promise of everlasting life for a lifetime of tidings that nobody is able to claim untill after death. 100% satisfaction rate with no returns or complaints.... The first religion was created when the first scoundrel met the first fool.

[@adrianryan5609]

There are a lot of things we don’t know. But not trying to find out and saying it’s god solves nothing. By not just giving up and settling for “god did it, “ Science has made the lives of people better and continues to do so.

[@Judgeabove501]

Why most of the scientists don’t pray and ask God? “Lord all knowing Almighty, please would you tell me the secrets of this and that how did you do that Lord? How did you do it?

[@rizdekd3912]

You mean why don't scientists add caveats to all their experimental conclusions explaining that perhaps the reason their experiment didn't produce the expected results is because God, in his mysterious wisdom ,chose THIS particular time to intervene. If God can and does intervene, then on what basis do we conclude there are ANY laws of nature or fine tuned parameters?

[@ChristopherSmith-j9x]

Many do

[@axenrot8236]

Take your own advice and become an agnostic then Mr Tour!

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Porn addict had a visit from Jesus...

[@courtneyenglish7829]

Romans 1:20 - For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

[@fraiopatll633]

Does Dr. James Tour suffer from TARDACITY? The latter is a neologism from "RETARD". He asks: "Why don't scientists come out and just say 'I don't know'?" But scientist do that all the time. Exactly how does he know that scientists do not admit their lack of knowledge? If any scientist is confronted with hitherto unanswerable questions, they READILY admit that they do not know. This Dr. James Tour is clearly lying and dissing scientists. He goes on to admit that "Clearly we don't know many things when it comes to the origin of life, when it comes to the origin of information, when it comes to the origin of chemical bonds would come together ..." So, the scientists do not know this, and in particular Dr. James Tour does not know this. That is it: NO ONE YET HAS THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. The latter statement is a conclusion that Dr. James Tour himself admits and yet proclaims his belief in God. In other words, he contradicts himself and his pea brain does not notice this naked contradiction!

[@jonathanrussell1140]

For his invisible qualities are clearly seen....

[@fraiopatll633]

@@jonathanrussell1140 I love it: "For his invisible qualities are clearly" visible!

[@Wildolive88]

Ecclesiastes 8:17 nkjv. Then I saw all the work of God,that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun,for though a man labours to discover it , yet he shall not find it; moreover, though a wise man attempts to know it, he will not be able to find it.

[@beanbean3535]

Weird

[@fraiopatll633]

Does Dr. James Tour suffer from TARDACITY? The latter is a neologism from "RETARD". He asks: "Why don't scientists come out and just say 'I don't know'?" But scientist do that all the time. Exactly how does he know that scientists do not admit their lack of knowledge? If any scientist is confronted with hitherto unanswerable questions, they READILY admit that they do not know. This Dr. James Tour is clearly lying and dissing scientists. He goes on to admit that "Clearly we don't know many things when it comes to the origin of life, when it comes to the origin of information, when it comes to the origin of chemical bonds would come together ..." So, the scientists do not know this, and in particular Dr. James Tour does not know this. That is it: NO ONE YET HAS THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. The latter statement is a conclusion that Dr. James Tour himself admits and yet proclaims his belief in God. In other words, he contradicts himself and his pea brain does not notice this naked contradiction!

[@passivehouseaustralia4406]

As a scientist we say "I dont know"" all the time, but often that is about a minor details or in fact larger scale issues... part of the scientific process is not to say "I dont know" but rather to offer valid theories that fit the current known facts and say "we think it may be this".... This guy is just wanting scientists to say I dont know as a suggestion that he is right, and they "dont know" this is a fallacy argument.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

If they don't know, how can they say they know there is no God? How are you so confident dna is evidence of a mindless process of trial and error? 1 gram having the equivalent information storage capacity of 88 million grams of 1 terabyte hard disk drives, a 4 letter code compared to the zero's and one's, using 100 million times less energy than the computers scientists are using to examine DNA with? Including the electronic device you're using? And why is your attitude so well described by Romans 1:18-22?

[@therick363]

@@Vernon-Chitlenmore bs and ignoring and twisting by you!!

[@Obeytheroadrules]

Why don’t Tour or Lennox say we don’t know ? Why do they push the god argument? Typical ✝️ hypocrisy

[@therick363]

Exactly

[@luxliquidlumenvideoproduct5425]

The context is that science commentators claim they have a good grasp on how life was formed by an abiogenesis event, when there are huge obstacles just to getting the monomers required for life in the stereochemical purity required to make biopolymers essential for metabolic function. The science papers themselves are misleading, making exaggerated claims throughout, yet the dismal results tell. Tour & Lennox are not being hypocritical, they are simply setting the record straight, you are better off believing in Mickey Mouse than thinking a cell could ever just form in Nature by some lucky chemical affiliations and reactions over billions of years. Only an ignoramus would think that is a likelihood.

[@daneberhardt8658]

Tour DOES say. He's saying materialistic SCIENCE doesn't know how life started but his FAITH says it was by a supernatural intelligence. _Understand_ before bloviating.

[@therick363]

@ you know many scientists do say we don’t know? And that most aren’t materialistic? It’s fine if he admits his faith-but if they say it’s the only possible explanation…..not okay

[@Obeytheroadrules]

@ Does he have a mechanism, for this intelligent design ? If he doesn’t, then it’s a pseudoscience God of the gaps argument

[@theminutemen1275]

But some scientists act like they know it all!

[@oscargr_]

And that's true for *all* creationists.

[@theminutemen1275]

@oscargr_ Yeah, but we do

[@therick363]

@@theminutemen1275you do….know?

[@Obeytheroadrules]

You mean like ✝️ , apologist , classic hypocrite

[@beanbean3535]

@@theminutemen1275yall know significantly less than scientists 🤣🤣

[@nicholasjohnson1200]

There’s two obvious reasons why they don’t admit they don’t know. First, it’s because they are trying to disprove a creator, and acknowledging that it’s impossible to do so would be giving unwanted credit to the theory of intelligent design. Second, the best way to get funding is to present as if you’re on the brink of putting all the pieces together.

[@therick363]

Well that’s all false

[@Obeytheroadrules]

What creator ? Do you have a mechanism for creation ? . Intelligent design is not a theory , it’s a pseudoscience

[@vtwin1979]

That’s the paranoid Theistic position. You lot think science is trying to discredit your dusty old buy-bull. When in fact scientists don’t even think about your god. They just follow the evidence. You are just scare that they will discover the truth and your world view will fall apart.

[@beanbean3535]

What scientists want to disprove a creator because they’re scientists? Victim of fear mongering much?

[@Obeytheroadrules]

@@beanbean3535 Fear ? Your religion is fear , you spend your life on your knees, in fear of a God you can’t prove exists. What have science got to fear , ? Science is discovery, without science, we would all be robots, living in religious fear

[@ArdashirSheikhahmadi]

Buddy, God bless you. This is a need for these so called scientists

[@jimhrn8522]

We do know, he TOLD us in his word. BTW you're still missing the final ingredient, and not like likely to get it, the breath of life.

[@iang1]

Here in the UK we've just had a BBC series on the planets with Professor Brian Cox implying where there's water, plus a few volcanoes to heat the water up, there's life!. Simple 😂.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

They can't demonstrate the prebiotic chemistry required for carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur and phosphorus forming a single protein or gene in a laboratory. The simplest cell requires a minimum of 473 genes coding for the arrangements of 12.6 billion of only the 20 specific amino acids out of 500 kinds in it's 42 million proteins. And they are sequenced as specifically as 20 amino acid letters spelling protein words averaging 300 per protein. Could you spell a 300 letter word randomly? The 35,000 in the largest protein Titin? Every amino acid in it's left hand form.

[@iang1]

@@Vernon-Chitlen absolutely, I agree. Maybe you took my comment the opposite to the way I intended. I'm pointing out the unbelievable conviction of a so called professor, I was gobsmacked listening to him.

[@Vernon-Chitlen]

@iang1 Yes I did. Because basically, naturalists believe: non living matter became living without design or purpose. And are ridiculously far from demonstrating the process. Even with all their influence of design and purpose.

[@WayneLynch69]

That person would retire the Nobel prize.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

Did he state it as an absolute fact?

[@edgarvision100]

False false false!... The scientific community are the first ones to admit and confirm they don't know. Then, spend the rest of their lives researching, testing, investigating and sharing their findings to reach factual truths. Religion on the other hand turn to the Bible and God for explaining the physical world.

[@markm8188]

Professional chutzpah is the reason. Same thing with many physicians.

[@jameshendrix4717]

He knows where and how life began, because he is a Christian and knows that Jesus Christ who is the living Word of God Created Mankind and all that was Created ❤.

[@beanbean3535]

Someone who is an exemplar of not being able to say they don’t know

[@iongeneral]

Oh take your religious fable babble elsewhere, you indoctrinated flock of sheep.

[@jonathanrussell1140]

I'm sorry, in what text did it say that Jesus created mankind????

[@LilOnAgain]

Did you even watch the clip??????

[@beanbean3535]

@ that’s what he believes lol

[@RollingStockChallenge]

Scientists always say “I don’t know”. They may be curious to find answers, and have theories, but they are very comfortable not knowing. What they don’t do is make up nonsense to explain the unexplainable.

[@FRANK-ri1rs]

Who's making up nonsense here ??

[@RollingStockChallenge]

You have a born again Christian (who’s also a scientist) sitting next to a Catholic, talking about science. At the very least they’re confused.

[@FRANK-ri1rs]

@@RollingStockChallenge are you suggesting theists aren't qualified to talk about science? Regardless of their denomination of thiesm

[@RollingStockChallenge]

@@FRANK-ri1rs they are free to talk about whatever they want, it just lacks weight if you think the universe is 6000 years old

[@FRANK-ri1rs]

@RollingStockChallenge personally don't understand how it lacks weight given the evidence that's available, not sure what the age of the universe has to do with it lol, it feels like your trying to use any agenda that will help you feel more comfortable about your own beliefs

[@markdettra1794]

The key to learning -- is humility , and not assuming anything.

[@MarkReardon-o4p]

They do all the time. That is what science is all about. Exploring what we don't know.

[@thecoderfromabove4176]

See am not so stupid cause they really do not know

[@evikone]

That's a misrepresentation. Scientists do science because they "don't know," but that doesn't mean they "have no fuc*ing idea"--scientific models, even for Abiogenesis, are the best current models based on the evidence. Philosophy doesn't address psychology about why he thinks some people can't say "I don't know"--he's asking the wrong question. People in scientific research avoid wrong questions.

[@Roberta-u8t]

Scientists sometimes say they don't know. But one thing they do know absolutely for sure is the atmospheric conditions 13.8 billion years ago--it was hot and dense.

[@michaeladedoyin7988]

Many don't get the point. The person speaking is a scientist himself. He is talking about how many respected scientists address their audience. Their students get away with swallowing up their assumptions as facts.

[@MagnusKarlsborn]

My question is what does the question ”what is the origian of life” mean?

[@dougingram4183]

i love that !!!! and guess what… We’re not meant to know . All of my family are religious . They have faith, but it also steps into the fact that “they know “ And I don’t want to be combative with them . We have a very loving, respectful family . But my belief is just like in this video clip . We’re not meant to know . And we don’t know . Anybody who says they think they know has another thing coming . And the one thing I DO know ??? We will all be surprised at what happens on the other side . 💯💯💯💯💯

[@reuelray]

...they keep saying it because they don't know He who makes everything go...

[@donteatthecats0001]

We do know 100% the origin of information. Information is a human construct, it's just the name we give to observed patterns of matter and energy. Tour is relying on long discredited ID-creationist talking points.

[@elalemanprusiano]

Simple arrogance shielding a basic insecurity!

[@miltonwetherbee5489]

Except he's right. We don't know where the information in cells came from. There are some theories, but we can't narrow them down or make much progress. We can form several of the basic compounds that theoretically could form cells, but only in such small proportional quantities that, chemically speaking, they're useless because the chemicals would react with all the other compounds formed with them before they could come together to form a cell. Then there's the problem of how the different compounds could even come together since they require different chemicals and conditions to form. Then there's the problem of how those compounds could have combined to form the larger complex structures they make up. And the problems just continue. Have we figured out many things that may have to do with the origins of life? Yes, sure. However that many things that we've figured out is still proportionally small compared to what we have left to figure out. Despite the much larger amount of stuff we don't know, scientists in the origin of life field make out as though we've got it all figured out rather than saying that there's still much we don't know. And that's the problem Dr Tour is pointing out.

[@nikao7751]

​@@miltonwetherbee5489Amen that. I remember saying to myself back in the day, I don't know everything, but I know enough, boy was I wrong. It's an eternal adventure🙏

[@blessingduncan6050]

Have you heard a Car mechanic saying he doesn't know what wrong with your car😂😂😂😂😂

[@lafk-lottyenaforrokave4700]

The problem is that the majority of the scientist community today still simply ignore many clues by labelling them with the "pseudo science" label. And this kind of attitude what stops them to find the missing puzzle pieces. Instead they just desperately try convince themselves and the society how science is still making good progress. But this kind of ignorant talking from a high horse attitude can't be maintained forever, Time is on our side.

[@joeblack63ftp]

I don't know what scientists he asks or talks to; but scientists readily admit when they don't have absolutes. That is why they support "THEORIES" for certain phenomena.

[@geoffhaycraft1233]

Real scientists Do say I don't know. That is what science is for. And using the scientific method may be slow, but it is thorough and ultimately accurate. This man is just a blinkered ideologue

[@swilson7509]

Go Dr Tour Go

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Yeah, Dr. Tour, go, go, go, go, go. You don't do it. Just go, and stop flapping your lips.

[@swilson7509]

@jonathanrussell1140 another joke popped up.

[@swilson7509]

Too intelligent for other scientists.

[@creatagheorghe9905]

When it comes to science comes the pride of claiming to know everything! nobody wants to humble themselves and say "I don't know"!!!

[@colinstock325]

Actually you’re more likely to get that from theists. Their classic response is always “God did it”. If science actually knew everything, there would be no need for science.

[@creatagheorghe9905]

@colinstock325 I know science has some answers but when it comes About what goes beyond science And it enters other fields science should refrain from

[@therick363]

@@creatagheorghe9905science constantly says we don’t know.

[@beanbean3535]

@@creatagheorghe9905what fields should science refrain from? Those that actively dispute some weird book?

[@gz9520]

The 3 biggest differences between science and religion 1. Science: Here are the known facts, what conclusions can we draw from them? Religion: Here is the conclusions. What facts can we find that might support it? What facts must be suppressed so that our conclusion will be believed. 2. Science: When science is proven wrong, the information is embraced, and science grows from that. Religion: When religion is proven wrong, the information is suppressed, and people are imprisoned or murdered. 3. Science: We have questions we may never know the answers to. Religion: We have answers that we won’t allow to be questioned.

[@DrJamesTour]

From Zac M, Dr. James Tour's Associate: Those are not Dr. Tour's positions. For example, he has repeatedly said that he thinks that scientists will one day understand abiogenesis, though we are farther away from that day than what gets presented to the general public. You can check out his interview with Abdu Murray on this God of the Gaps argument: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYLFdIGJaZZ-grsfeature=shared. Dr. Tour does not think having a natural explanation precludes God from using natural events to guide His creation. We have good philosophical reasons to believe in a Creator of the universe and good historical reasons to believe in Jesus's resurrection, which is central to our faith. If you don't believe in the resurrection and want to discuss its historical evidence, you can email [e-mail]. Thank you

[@paulsocie7152]

Amen❣️ Could it be that without God, they have no gaurd rails or higher power to look to?

[@jonathanrussell1140]

So many of god's laws we've had to change, because they're sh*te. If we acted out biblical morality today the jails would be bulging 😂😂😂😂

[@paulsocie7152]

@jonathanrussell1140 I am sorry you feel that way, yet I do not know one of God's Laws that we changed, Bibles have been the same for centuries! Also, I would be careful of how you speak about God, again, that is just me. God Bless❣️

[@gdr189]

@@paulsocie7152 'Thou shalt not kill' a direct, clear statement. And yet...

[@fraiopatll633]

@@paulsocie7152 Please check out Bible Scholar Bart D. Ehrman to learn a whole lot more about the way the Bible came to be in its current manifestation.

[@globaltube6708]

what else did they say other than 'i don't know'?

[@xtopher960]

What an irrational statement. This is how religiosity turns you to a complete hypocrite. I can't imagine spending even a weekend in heaven if these are the kind of people to be there..Im so fulfilled to be an atheist...

[@loneranger6361]

Einstein stated that he does not know whether the Universe is finite or infinite. However he knew that man's stupidity is infinite

[@philharris5848]

Since when have scientists ever said that they have all the answers? Only Theists and silly Philosophers proclaim that they have supernatural answers to fit their extreme religious beliefs.

[@jyrkiseppala3385]

What are you talking about?! SCIENTISTS SAY THAT ALL THE TIME!! That’s why they do science, they want to know.

[@JohnPaul-ol5zl]

Some humble scientists, they are few, do admit they don't know something. The leftover ones are so arrogant and Narcissists, they almost believe that if they say "I don't know", the universe will implode on itself. They are so full of themselves. A humble man has the possibility of finding wisdom. A foolish arrogant man will always be lost hearing himself speak. In my 5 decades of life, I can say that I have learned the most from humble individuals. God bless those souls.

[@beanbean3535]

Jesus dude, you’re a clear victim of fear mongering. Scientists don’t say they know things they don’t, unless they’re religious and have to cling to faith for their beliefs

[@JuergenBertram-ps7sy]

Thank You❤, Dr Tour !!😂

[@fraiopatll633]

Does Dr. James Tour suffer from TARDACITY? The latter is a neologism from "RETARD". He asks: "Why don't scientists come out and just say 'I don't know'?" But scientist do that all the time. Exactly how does he know that scientists do not admit their lack of knowledge? If any scientist is confronted with hitherto unanswerable questions, they READILY admit that they do not know. This Dr. James Tour is clearly lying and dissing scientists. He goes on to admit that "Clearly we don't know many things when it comes to the origin of life, when it comes to the origin of information, when it comes to the origin of chemical bonds would come together ..." So, the scientists do not know this, and in particular Dr. James Tour does not know this. That is it: NO ONE YET HAS THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. The latter statement is a conclusion that Dr. James Tour himself admits and yet proclaims his belief in God. In other words, he contradicts himself and his pea brain does not notice this naked contradiction!

[@observationist]

The Christian believes without evedence. You will never hear them say they don't know. Scientists say they don't know about many things all the time.

[@oscargr_]

Origin of life scientists will start saying "I don't know" when creationists stop saying "god did it"

[@therick363]

They DO say that! Why are you lying?! Oh is it because you they we don’t know…and let’s go find out? And you don’t like that?

[@daneberhardt8658]

When you're blinded by your animus you miss the context. He was simply stating it's not an inditement on an expert to admit mystery particular to the origin of life. *THAT* is what he was alluding to.

[@therick363]

@ he flat out said why don’t scientists admit we don’t know….when they DO admit it. I didn’t miss anything as I’m not being blinded. I am open and read for new evidence, data and discussions. You can try to shift and claim he was alluding to____ but he flat out said something. Why should he ignore that?

[@socialsigh]

I've heard scientists and apologists both say they don't know stuff... What's concerning is when one says they know how the universe began based off of logical arguments or a book.

[@beanbean3535]

Fr though 🤣🤣🤣

[@Gwaycee]

God bless Dr. Tour.

[@fraiopatll633]

Why would you ask God to bless an idiot like Dr. James Tour? That's a mystery I am often baffled by!

[@Shamsi419]

Because atheists egos will be hurt

[@therick363]

Nope. Theist egos showing

[@jonathanrussell1140]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@margaritamartasin2007]

And we never gonna know period!!

[@paulmarcil6221]

I suppose the irony is lost on people who criticise science for not knowing what these people explain by a magic sky daddy.

[@ΑΓΡΙΟΑΡΧΕΙΟ]

Mate If Newton was here, one of the fathers Of modern science do you thing that would he agreed with you? When you say magic it shows your level of sincerity Materialism or atheism are not science but rather philosophy Theism is a philosophy as well You say we came magically from nothing undirected and we say we came directed from a creator that his is able to manipulate the laws of the universe he created. You seem like a tribe of people lost in isolated areas that when they somehow see a lazer pointer or a smartphone in a rock they will thing that this is magic. Never ever has been proven that any of these technologies or every technology ever came undirected there is not even one business man that will leave his business undirected and expect to thrive and finally science is what can be proven and requires experience EVERY SINGLE DAY we see that only directed things thrive there is not a song without a composer , there is not functional software without a programmer, and lastly ALWAYS LIFE COMES FROM LIFE NEVER EVER VICE VERSA so the law of science everyday agree with the fact that DEAD THINGS ALWAYS STAY DEAD

[@daneberhardt8658]

When your material stuff can explain non-material consciousness, actual morality, instincts, information, and ..... wait for it reason itself - then we can talk about "magic sky daddy" until then you're stuck holding yourself and self-hatred.

[@joshuapena6757]

"Magic sky daddy" is a great retort against an unreflective theist. But as it turns out, reflective theists do actually exist. I have enormous respect for people like Brian Cutter, Alvin Plantinga, Richard Swinburne, JP Moreland, etc. These people may be right or wrong, and you're welcome to disagree with their arguments. But they're not idiots. Honestly, when I hear "magic sky daddy" it just signals to me that you haven't done the hard work of seriously engaging with smart people who disagree with you. There are always stupid people who disagree with you. Mocking them is easy, fun... and incredibly lazy. Do something hard, my friend. Challenge yourself. Get off youtube and read books by smart people who disagree with you.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

lol replace **magic sky daddy** with with **time** and you're now a snarky, genius, phd scientist. except like god, some scientists don't believe in time and there is no consenus definition of it. and some something came from nothing, the dawn of TIME and universe... Father Time ... daddy's a little magical eh? dare i call it ... **magic time daddy** trying to channel science zealot's arrgoant, dismissive, and belitting tone when engaging in fair critiques. i would love to see your charisma in real life, woof

[@jonathanrussell1140]

​@@ΑΓΡΙΟΑΡΧΕΙΟexplain wherein lies the philosophy involved in stating that theists have not met their burden of proof for their claims of the supernatural.

[@user-nn5jm2rd8x]

They do all the time religious people are the only one saying they are 110% right

[@someone-jy4ex]

They say it all the time, you just don't want to except it, otherwise you don't have this nonsense to repeat again and again

[@MarkSlevin-b9t]

I no God created the heavens and the earth it's that simple for me godbless to you all

[@hurrikanehavok7313]

But but but Dave Farina has a paper!!

[@jonathanrussell1140]

Dave Farina showed *several* papers. Tour went nuh-uh, because he didn't understand them. Molecules don't move towards life, apparently. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hurrikanehavok7313]

@ yeah and Dave didn’t understand them. Several organic chemists reviewed the debate and agreed that Dave citation bluffed.

[@jperez7893]

Assembly theory of sarah walker seems to prove there is a barrier between chemistry and biology. Chemistry cannot go further.

[@robertcollins197]

They do say it. All the time.

[@ijexcmos8153]

The same applies to religious people and philosophers - why don't they just come out and say 'I don't know'! Also, no scientist worth their salt ever said what the origin of life was! They only talk about probable causes! What a strawman!!! 😅

[@peterjackson2801]

Scientists say "We don't know" all the time, but they keep looking for the answers. There are another group of people that just say "God did it". Thats just lazy.

[@fyrstikken]

you think one group is better than the other group, so you miss the point.

[@peterjackson2801]

@fyrstikken Its you thats missing the point. Because you don't know the answer doesn't mean you need a man made supernatural being to account for it.

[@WayneLynch69]

No grants.

[@onescreentwomovies254]

Very obvious he doesn't know what science is, or pretend this for laughs. It's because scientists don't know, they do research and try many hypothesis and have many discussions to find the knowledge. Step by step.

[@victorsantoy9469]

Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth! "2 Timothy 3:7, or "2 Thessalonians chapter 2" explains why and how most people are.

[@isaacali8695]

They dont know because they can never accept that God made everything

[@therick363]

Prove god made everything

[@stevenfarmer2660]

Saying I don't know is a significant sign of intelligence! That's what drives us to learn and understand!🤔

[@beanbean3535]

Yet tour is incapable of saying he doesn’t know when it comes to sky daddy 🤨

[@shemayannick5659]

Scientists do say that.

[@oldplucker1]

Because all real Scientists have been cancelled!

[@reggielou2653]

Human history is not long enough to really know. We take the best guess, but we all have common sense.

[@MichaelDonald-mp1id]

John Lennox says the sky fairy created everything. How can we doubt him? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@Adam-ox6zy]

Why won’t they say they dung know? Just imagine being on a gravy train of a field that has no need to solve a real problem like a pandemic or hunger or cancer or some other disease, with the biggest issue is to how to spend your big fat pay check in a job that is indentured for life. Just keep telling those stories every one wants to hear.

[@ignatiusnerevar8322]

Why can't they say "I don't know"? It's because they'd be admitting that there might be a Creator after all. Some may still have a conscience speaking to their mind, saying something similar to "You do actually know Who made it all".

[@beanbean3535]

Scientists do say they don’t know when they don’t know, it’s the theists that can’t say they don’t know when they objectively dont

[@JonathanDickens-kz8oz]

They do. They just shorten it to "i dont know but heres the theory we have so far and we will continue to refine it but no one can know anything with 100 certainty but at least we are attempting to understand instead of just navel gazing and submitting to the idea that we dont know so lets not bother trying to explore further"... so now you know.

[@edbarnes6598]

THANK you DR TOUR as your COMMENTS go WORLDWIDE just as Yeshua said== all the WORLD

[@LilOnAgain]

What??

[@mikeparsons6391]

"I don't know " .....is the driver of research.....

[@ionstudiosmaui]

Wouldn’t all experiments be rendered hypothesis due to the fact we don’t know all the outside factors? Been asking this for awhile now. Check out Allen watts he has some talk about that subject.