Brian Greene asks Richard Dawkins ... Does God Exist?

Richard Dawkins and Brian Greene discuss their notions on God in the context of evolution and science. Does one exist? Is God the same as science and physics but with different nomenclature, as Brian Greene implies? Or is God "the physicist to end all physicists," one that Richard Dawkins says demands an explanation?
Original Program Date: Sept. 24 2014
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[@Harshulnarang1]

“We hand over to physicists when we go from virtually nothing to absolutely nothing...” 😂😂😂

[@EricHenryJnr]

That one had me rotfl

[@lawman34]

Im clearly not scientifically literate enough to understand that joke

[@peterbartley9155]

Shane Campbell theists like to say the universe can’t come from nothing so he is making fun of them

[@pinball1970]

@@lawman34 Physicists have a different understanding of what nothing is and Dawkins is alluding to that whilst having a pop at theists too I think. "You can't get something from nothing' seems to be a stock answer from the religious. Ignoring the fact that's what they claim about Yhwh. Anyway, some cosmological models now infer an eternal universe so no god required anyway.

[@rodt9779]

pinball1970 A few misconceptions you made: Christians and other theists (myself included) believe that God is eternal so that would mean that God didn’t come from nothing. Also the universe can’t be eternal and I will give you one argument for that. In order for the universe exist forever it must have been around infinitely in time. But we know time had a beginning. Time cannot exist forever because if it did there would be an infinite number of days in the past. If there were an infinite number of days in the past then we would never have gotten to this point. God bless

[@Ankur4330]

I'm sorry, I was too distracted by Dawkin's awesome tie.

[@rishi057]

Didn't even look at it the whole video

[@fcchannel6162]

you mean the fairy tales that he believe in oh yeah

[@klaus254]

What's wrong with the tie? I'd also love to have one.

[@Muslim_Convert_Stories]

NO ART WITHOUT ARTIST NO CREATION WITHOUT CREATOR

[@klaus254]

@@Muslim_Convert_Stories WELL STATED. NOW WHO CREATED THE CREATOR?

[@citizenghosttown]

As a biologist, Dawkins deals with the consequences of religious thinking more directly - and it can impact the way biology is taught in schools. In contrast, every discovery that Brian Green makes can be explained away by the religious as just more evidence of God's ultimate mystery. Evolution isn't like that -- it's a much greater threat to the religious world view. That's partly why Brian Greene can afford to be nonchalant about God issues, whereas Dawkins cannot.

[@pinball1970]

A good point

[@waltersilas1659]

Pretty much sums up the video

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

Why would a biologist deal with the consequences of religious thinking?

[@pinball1970]

@@user-is3yn7xr4c Religious Scientifically illiterate lobbyists are trying to cram stupid nonsense into the science curriculum in the US. That's a problem. Do you want a generation of idiots?

[@pinball1970]

@@user-is3yn7xr4c We also have faith schools in the UK. Which teach scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory nonsense. Also a big issue. Children need to be taught what current Science agrees on.

[@MrFrak0207]

These 2 have had several discussions you can find online, I would recommend checking them out! So intriguing and eye opening! Love listening to them

[@seethelight657]

Don’t be ignorant if you think a little bit, everything have a purpose except us and why we’re here?? just to have fun and growing old drinking beer common and die!! * There must be a stronger entity and it is not a coincidence. Look around you the moon, the sun and what god said and you will know the truth, he said... * * * ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?) See by your self :- God said: 1- ( [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving.) 2- ( And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.) 3- ( And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples." @ And [remember] when they said, "O Allah, if this should be the truth from You, then rain down upon us stones from the sky or bring us a painful punishment.") 4- ( Indeed, these [disbelievers] love the immediate [ life ] and leave behind them a grave Day.) 5- (We had certainly brought you the truth, but most of you, to the truth, were averse.) If you reached here and you didn’t believe that’s for you, god said: ( Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded? ) By the way that was mentioned 1400 years ago in the Quran... Well !!see you in the afterlife....

[@michaelcollins4338]

@@seethelight657 You sound as if you're growing old and drinking way to much beer!

[@whym8748]

@@seethelight657 these are no arguments just quotes

[@unknownuser4816]

@@seethelight657 what do you think this mumbo jumbo proves?

[@pinball1970]

@@seethelight657 how do you know what god said?

[@JosephNusse]

Wow...better title for this clip. "Perfect example of an informed agnostic meets a perfect example of an informed anti-theist then proceed to agree on everything, while demonstrating how different personalities approach the same problems"

[@KushagraaDubeyy]

@FiniteAutomaton putting people into one’s own choice of labels shouldn’t be encouraged don’t you think? Based on this brief touching upon by them on the topic, it wasn’t absolutely sure if they classify as unadulterated atheists !

[@davidjack7418]

@FiniteAutomaton The original comment was more about their approaches, which are definitely different. Brian Greene is the sort of atheist who is atheist because there is a lack of evidence to be theist (for him, and I happen to agree). Dawkins is atheist because he fundamentally thinks a god cannot, would not, or should not exist. He often takes this several steps further and is quite antagonistic on the subject. I respect Dawkins as an evolutionary biologist, but he is not a good advocate the subject of atheism/theism. His approach is usually quite ham-fisted, and he seems to find theism of any kind patently ridiculous. Rather ironic since, as an evolutionary biologist, he is quite familiar with how and why humans believe these things, and even believed them himself well into his teenage years.

[@davidjack7418]

@FiniteAutomaton I see that you have completely missed the point, which is made apparent by your last sentence. I am not trying to discredit an atheist position or Richard Dawkins or anyone for that matter. This isn't about some gotcha moment of "Oh look, see, he's not a REAL atheist." I'm staying on topic, which was the initial reply. I expounded upon that as well. The fact that Dawkins was a practicing member of the Church of England is most definitely relevant. Just not relevant to your point, but certainly relevant to mine and the original poster. Richard Dawkins understands why people believe what they believe, and how they come to believe it. This is why it is frustrating to see him give lectures or have interviews and speak as if the idea of believing in a deity is preposterous. As if the idea is so alien to him as to feign some lack of understanding. It's incredibly disingenuous. He is entitled to his own opinion on the subject of course, but I still don't think he is a good advocate for his cause. I support the Richard Dawkins approach when it comes to things like his discussion with Deepak Chopra. That man is a charlatan and deserves the run-down. I remember, though, an interview where he spoke with Brandon Flowers. That poor guy didn't deserve that treatment. People who are theistic don't believe these things because they are idiots or don't know any better, and Dawkins is intimately familiar with this. He certainly wouldn't be my choice as a speaker for the cause. His approach is a fantastic way to get the people you want to listen to turn off their ears completely.

[@davidjack7418]

@FiniteAutomaton I meant that MY position was not one of creating a gotcha moment of trying to say Dawkins or Greene weren't "real atheists", not that you were. And I did misunderstand your sentence regarding discrediting and incorrectly read it as saying you thought I was trying discredit Dawkins or an atheist position. That's my mistake. Nothing I'm saying is attempting to gauge the degree or flavor of the kind of atheist Dawkins vs. Greene is in any other way than their approach to others, which is absolutely different. They may believe the same things regarding theism, but they definitely don't say the same things to others. That is important. Now, perhaps Richard Dawkins doesn't care about bridging gaps with other people, or creating understand. That's his choice. When you tell others they are idiots for their faith, or condescend, you're just going to push them away and confirm misconceptions they already have. He certainly wouldn't be my choice for a panel of voices to explain to others why theism may be the wrong direction.

[@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes]

Antitheists Are Evil, Therefore Richard Dawkins Is An Atheist.

[@bean7496]

This dude actually *does* have awesome ties

[@claires9100]

His wife painted them for him. All biology themed. He has one with penguins on it that I like.

[@bean7496]

@@claires9100 I like penguins and polar bears

[@bean7496]

@@claires9100 his wife is SKILLED

[@claires9100]

@@bean7496 Me too. :)

[@bombshell8876]

He is British 😂. Of course thats their attire

[@SB-bc1nw]

Thanking god for sparing you in a natural disaster is like sending a thank you note to a serial killer for stabbing the family next door.

[@con.troller4183]

Haiti Earthquake. 100,000 plus deaths - - "Oh well. God's will is mysterious". One baby found in the rubble - - "It's a miracle from a merciful God!!"

[@hemantsinghrawat19]

@@con.troller4183 Good one..

[@hemantsinghrawat19]

@@rick-nr8zy Till u r keeping ur belief to urself is fine, if you want to live in illusion that’s ur choice. Problem starts when people start using their money, education and other people’s pain points to convert them to Christianity. If ur religion is personal to u then keep it personal, don’t take it to public. People in the west are leaving Christianity so don’t go to poor countries and make them fool.

[@gabrielornellas8313]

Well, your comparison its not quite right. And i feel that most people think the God of Israel evil, because they dont seem to understand the position they are in, according to christianity. It is not that a serial killer killed a family next door and you have to thank him, that would be insane. It is more that humanity is a serial killer loose, sitting on the bench in front of a Judge and the judge its allowing the serial killer to live, and not destroying him imediatly. People think that Christian God is evil because he allows evil to happen to them. But that believe is just as messed up as a criminal in jail believing that the judge and the cops are super evil for placing him behind bars. If we are alive, it is because of Gods mercy, and that is said clearly in Scripture " For your mercy is the reason we are not consumed everyday". We are not neutral humans in the hands of a psycotic God. We are psycothic people in the hands of a very Merciful and pacient God, that offers redemption, yet is still the judge, who is going to bring punishment to those that are evil and want to continue that way. It is a very sad reality, but it is the reality of humanity. Thats why Christ died in the cross, so that death and corruption would be overcomed by his cross. And he ressurect in the third day. Those who believe in him are saved from Gods righteous wrath. Those who reject him, are still enemies of God, and still are under the positiong of a criminal. The judge is pacient, but a setence will come eventualy.

[@larrytate5605]

S.B. that is a brilliant statement, thank you !!! please run for president of the world !!!

[@RainYoChannel]

i love this man so much i don’t want him to grow older anymore :(

[@purvivb]

@@ephemeral5964 yahh!😢

[@frost_spirit3314]

@@ephemeral5964 it's not the time that makes you older

[@mirriulahwaterdog]

Dont worry he'll be born again.

[@thakraken6995]

@@mirriulahwaterdog no. He'll be dead

[@mirriulahwaterdog]

@@thakraken6995 Yeah mate I was a bit tongue in cheek there.

[@sergiom3988]

I like this Brian Green guy. It's the first time I even hear about him

[@y7952]

He is awesome and has a brilliant mind, you should watch his ted talks and look more into him! I recommend it

[@sbadreau]

You can start with his interview with joe Rohan it will give you a good idea of what he is about; I am reading his book right now, (until the end of time) this guy is absolutely fascinating

[@username4441]

@@sbadreau blown spokane*

[@MB-pj8sb]

Read his books. They are really good!!!

[@ranimnaoum5952]

Highly recomment his books too! And the 4 hours documentary "The fabric of the universe"

[@pritamdebnath5656]

Just think for a moment : Stars have died so that we could live.

[@UFOgamers]

They never lived, so they didn't die. They just exploded ..

[@veganworldorder9394]

Stars were never alive

[@thebrahmabullq1626]

No... It's stars died that's why we live ..not so that

[@techbro_4309]

@@UFOgamers of course he doesn't mean that starts were literally alive for them to die, when people say "my phone is dead" do you think the phone was a living breathing creature for it to die

[@mohammadnawar4193]

Few centuries later we would find a scientist saying: All hail the nebula explosion for it hath died to give us life. If ye shall not believe in it you shall have eternal damnation of irrationality

[@rolandmusic8846]

A cell trying to explain the whole universe.

[@rolandmusic8846]

When we die we'll see who is right, ignorant but i can God created the universe,but it doesn't say anything about reality, ignorant, you are a virus im a cell.

[@rolandmusic8846]

@george chapelle we hate virus.

[@duncanhainsworth5063]

What are you saying? What's your stand point?

[@rolandmusic8846]

@King Pistachion I’m not deleting anything what you talking about? Let’s see what happen after we die, it will be to late for you, I have seen UFO, And you gonna say it isn’t real? What we think doesn’t say anything about reality, You don’t like God cause you know you have to follow the commandments.

[@rolandmusic8846]

@King Pistachion If life doesn’t has a purpose for you well, I can’t do anything about it, scientists are not Going to save your soul, Cause when you die you’re body is just matter but you’re conscience is not matter that goes somewhere that’s energy, A body can’t work without that energy your soul, follow the evidence where it leads not what a scientist tells you to believe.

[@randomPersonBeingCool123]

Sending good energy to everybody!

[@jeff_forsythe]

You should really keep what is yours, you need it. God saves people, no your job, physician, heal thyself. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@kiuthrunlims1344]

Here's a proof that the more intelligent a person is the better humor they have.

[@screamingwind3559]

Cap

[@robertmcmillan3638]

Is this Dawkins guy supposed to be intelligent? So Physicists can explain and do but God can't? LMAO! He sounds like a village idiot that's somehow wandered on stage.

[@a.bagasm.7253]

@@robertmcmillan3638 well.... Actually god explains alot in the bible, its just that you might be not too interested in it and decide to go with physicists way of explaining the world(not that i think its much more profound than god's explanation about the world)

[@jasongr3219]

True generally but I know some idiots who are funny af.

[@robertmcmillan3638]

@@a.bagasm.7253 I think you misunderstood my comment. I was calling out Dawkins for his sheer stoooooopidity and arrogance thinking that man is more intelligent than God, which is just laughable.

[@philjamieson5572]

I really like discussions like this - between great thinkers like these two.

[@andysmarandescu7452]

Yea me too actually, none of them is trying to look smart. But Dawkins kinda made a fool out of himself here imo

[@jst2889]

Hahaha Brian isn’t a great thinker. He’s an adult that literally believes in talking snakes and the Virgin birth.

[@jst2889]

andy smarandescu you must be religious to say that

[@andysmarandescu7452]

@@jst2889 I didn't know the guy believed in talking snakes, looked pretty agnostic to me, my ignorance though, my bad. As to being religious, no, I don't see myself as that kind of guy. I'm just saying Dawkins kinda stumbled in words there. It just shows that science doesn't help you give any verdict on the existence of God, and Dawkins said that himself (probably in a moment when he didn't feel targeted by the idea that God may actually be there)

[@jst2889]

andy smarandescu it has to be tiring though to be constantly trying to convince people that’s there’s a reality to adhere to, not this dogma that convinces people death is better than being alive. After a tragic death, for example, too many religious people say.....it’s ok that he/she suffered here cause he/she will be rewarded a better life in heaven.

[@partydean17]

Very interesting. He respects the nothingness of origin while a theist respects the origin somethingthness. Very profound and I very much like his way of explaining it

[@donttrustthem7601]

Theist: The universe could not have come out of nothing. Atheist: God, too, could not appear out of nothing. Theist: God, too, could not have appeared out of nothing. Atheist: There is no God. Theist: But we do exist. How is it that both God and the Universe could not appear out of nothing, but we exist. Although we weren't supposed to exist. Atheist: I don't know. Theist: In such a case, either God must be Eternal or the Universe. We know that the Universe is not eternal and has beginnings, age and expands. In such a case, for our existence, God must be Eternal. Theist: God exists. Decent Atheist: God exists.

[@ramaraksha01]

@@donttrustthem7601 There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - sure you can believe they exist also but where does that get you? Science demands facts - evidence that can be presented for all to see before it can be called Science - all you are doing is talking to yourself But again, you don't insist that Superman, Spiderman exist, but only God. Why? Because with the belief in God comes the prospect of an eternal life of ease & comfort? A lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity! Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live such a life down here - shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - tell them the "love" them, sing their praises and hope for a rich life of comfort That is exactly what you are doing These rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust for they know that all this "love" and high praises are for their wallet, not for them God views you with disgust - can you not see that?

[@ramblingbill9101]

@@ramaraksha01 your sugar daddy/prostitute theory does not hold water. That is purely a business arrangement- both parties derive benefits from each other. The eternal God created the self perpetuating system that birthed us. We are part of the complex system. While we are alive we take from and feed the system. When we die we feed the system as fertilizer no longer taking. Does God derive any benefit from our existence which would make this a business dealing also? Perhaps pride or entertainment or perhaps the system was developed to feed God nutrition. Who knows? We don’t and probably never will.

[@ramaraksha01]

@@ramblingbill9101 So you are saying we die, we are just fertilizer in the ground - no Heaven, no hell - no easy lazy life sitting about shamelessly sponging off God No trying to live in a Childrens fantasy land You are saying Science is right?

[@partydean17]

@@ramaraksha01 science is just the collection of knowledge so I'm not sure why you project it like it's somehow contrasting with any other knowledge

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share this brief KZbin video: Atheists and Agnostics Need This

[@rodhenderson690]

question: how can the original program date be after the date you published this?

[@equation2764]

@Nihal H yes we all know greene is from the future.

[@fernandocustodio3271]

*Insert hulk time travel meme *

[@Idtelos]

@1:07, Green's shot out to Pascal's Wager made me chuckle as well.

[@matthewtenney2898]

They call it Pascal's Wager but it's unlikely that Pascal invented it.

[@spridle]

It kind of bothers me how Richard says no so firmly, not 'I don't THINK so.' He's so certain about something NOBODY is certain about. That's why it's called faith and belief.

[@Dude_Slick]

That's because he's full of shit. he says things that are completely untrue, like 2:36

[@jeff_forsythe]

So true, it is called quitting. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@tomac2581]

Brilliantly explained by both

[@RebuttalRecords]

I highly recommend checking out Stephen Meyer. He's a well educated and spoken lecturer who presents some brilliant arguments for intelligent design while leaving religion out of it. James Tour has also been known to take the same approach at times, and he's a world class bio-chemist and nano-technologist.

[@MarioRugeles]

Brian Greene likes to play with fire 🤣

[@GottfriedLeibnizYT]

Rightfully

[@peterbartley9155]

Mario Rugeles the trouble the fire he is talking about does not exist

[@peterbartley9155]

O G actually the definition of closed mindedness s when one holds a position that they won’t budge from no matter what the evidence. That’s theism. Dawkins became a scientist and atheist because he has an open mind. If you have evidence that is convincing he would assess it and change his mind according to the evidence. I bet you would not .

[@peterbartley9155]

O G I am only replying to your obviously incorrect assertion Dawkins is closed minded when being a theists is by definition a closed mind position. Theists with open minds tend to stop being believers which makes them atheists. Why should he entertain such a ridiculous and what seems impossible idea. Since not only is there insufficient evidence any gods exist but no evidence it’s not worth addressing. You are showing your bias by your above comment. Dawkins may not b a good debater but he is a very good writer and teacher. His knowledge of his area of expertise and other wider knowledge is impressive. You problem comes from feeling attacked when your beliefs are rejected.

[@peterbartley9155]

O G theism is the failure to sufficiently investigate ideas, it’s closed minded by definition.

[@alligatorannalise]

I truly think this question boils down to what is the character of God. If you think God would theoretically be harsh and uncaring then it is certainly better to think that he doesn't exist. But if you approach the question with the notion that God deeply loves his creation, it becomes easy to think of the world and universe as something he's laid out for humans to discover bits of himself as Greene describes. Both are plausible but it certainly doesn't hurt man to believe that we are not the smartest in the universe.

[@kevinkent9194]

Thanks for the video.

[@michaelv9609]

I agree guys, his tie is awesome

[@harshpratapsingh310]

There is a request to Professor Brian Greene that could you please deliver a lecture on the Mathematics of General Theory of Relativity...

[@danishsamir8807]

He has actually in part, already did it on his official you tube channel in his video series titled "your daily dose of equation" where he covered Einstein field equations

[@harshpratapsingh310]

@@danishsamir8807 Thank you:)

[@Dr.TJ1]

Anybody who doesn't believe in evolution should at a minimum take a paleontology course at a university and learn about the evolution of more complex animals from less complex animals over time. It's all in the fossil record, including transition animals which explain how one species evolved into another. Once you complete that paleontology course, you will feel quite amazed that you ever argued that evolution is false. If you are afraid that it will contradict what you have been taught (e.g. the Bible) from the time you could first understand words, don't be. It's not scary, it's enlightening.

[@peli_candude554]

It's only enlightening if you believe it. How many gaps are left to fill in on this? I recently read where only 1% of all life forms ever made it to the fossil stage and the rest is...guessing? I watched one video on the evolution of whales from land animals to sea mammals. It was amazing because they found a piece of skull the size of a fist and from that small bone fragment came up with an animal with legs that decided one day that there was not enough food on land and it dove into the water and found it was full of fish. It then evolved into a whale. And then I read that someone named Lamark (sp) had a theory that would explain this that included offspring inheriting acquired traits. Others, however, found that there was no evidence that this was possible and studies on rats (or mice) confirmed that rats (or mice) could not become whales either even if they wanted to. I'm afraid like "God did it" much better...and probably will for eternity...if God will let me...

[@Vocal_Chordist]

No one has actually witnessed evolution with his/her own eyes. It’s just a theory. If you say seeing is believing, then how can you say for 100% that evolution is the real truth behind all this.

[@pureenergy5051]

Quantum physics is more enlightening. It has proven creation is constant because energy is constantly bursting forth, spinning, rotating, oscillating, resonating, rotating, vibrating, radiating and everything else energy does.

[@glennzornig4978]

Dear Doctor, you cannot look at ancient fossils and arrive at a metaphysical conclusion. Buckminster Fuller offered final, inarguable proof of Creationism. End Of Debate.

[@sharkdom]

People often forget that there is no experimental data supporting evolution. Literally none. That doesn't mean I don't believe the theory, but maybe a pinch of salt should always be remembered.

[@thebadradio5340]

Greene`s intro argumentations are absolutely top!

[@pangeran103]

I hope in the future there are no anti-theist anymore, why would someone be called as an "anti" to something that doesn't even exist. the theist should be called as an anti-logic or anti-reality.

[@roychristopher5014]

and your proof of "no God" is what?

[@forhim426]

What?? Did you just say anti-reality and anti-reason? Only those who don't understand theism (particulary, jedeo-christian theism) would say that.

[@syriacchristianity9007]

I got confused. I thought he said atheist.

[@AlokKumar-tk1ty]

True

[@AlokKumar-tk1ty]

@@roychristopher5014 🤦why i will prove that .....like someone says anny shit....."prove there are NO aliens" 😕First proof is required then i will DISPROVE..... No proof....and disprove...wtf Until then n.p leave it ,ignore it👍

[@oo0olegendoo0o]

What Dawkins is saying at the end is even if there is a deistic god who laid the fundamental laws of the universe and withdrew, he himself would need an explanation.Implying evolution. "Who watches the watcher"

[@thatwonguy]

oo0olegendoo0o Simpleton Contradictory, useless question. If God is the Ultimate Cause, with no beginning and no end, asking what caused the Ultimate Cause defeats the purpose of asking the question all together and goes against the notion of Occams Razor. Richard Dawkins is still wrestling with kindergarden concepts in his head.

[@oo0olegendoo0o]

I pity how easily you were conned into your faith. Alan Watts - "In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all."

[@thatwonguy]

I pity how easily you dismiss faith. Funny how the typical confused atheist wants the believer to use their own head and then goes onto quote other people instead of thinking for themselves. Contradict yourself and be unscientific for me some more lol.

[@oo0olegendoo0o]

im not an atheist or anything else for that matter, you clearly didnt understand the point of veiw i was indulging. have a nice life

[@thatwonguy]

Yes, niko, which is why I mentioned: Richard Dawkins is struggling with simpleton, contradictory, useless questions. If God is the Ultimate Cause, with no beginning and no end, asking what caused the Ultimate Cause defeats the purpose of asking the question all together and goes against the notion of Occams Razor. Richard Dawkins is still wrestling with kindergarden concepts in his head. I find him intellectually pathetic, and I find his british accent vile personally.

[@schizophreniccynic9141]

The religious god or deity is waaayyyy too simple. We as humans find it too easy to over simplify things that are very complex

[@RebuttalRecords]

More like we're too simple to understand a creative force.

[@daveg4417]

One thing that many people trip over, is that they believe that biological evolution is purely random, it's not. Just like we have laws of nature, laws of physics, laws of chemistry, we also have laws of biology and reproduction and evolution. Evolution occurs through natural selection and other laws, it's not purely random. So when the universe came into being, and all of these laws were inherent in it, so were the laws of biology and evolution.

[@ivankip8893]

Where did the laws come from? It’s not delusional to say “something” or someone created those laws and lives outside of it and cannot be blended by it. Simple answer is we don’t know.

[@jeff_forsythe]

When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@jeff_forsythe]

All things are unique and nothing has ever evolved into another thing and every living thing has a soul. Falun Dafa explains creation quite clearly.

[@jeff_forsythe]

Each thing is unique and not once has evolution occurred, so guess again...................Falun Dafa

[@hasaang]

Both of these gentlemen are treasures

[@jeff_forsythe]

We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.

[@kedthings5890]

His tie is amazing

[@guineapig55555]

kedthings, where ya from

[@mariaasombrada3964]

Brian is beyond hilarious!

[@whatadaytobealive]

Just love listening to scholars spitting out their intellect.

[@alistairwatt8767]

There is no evidence to prove (or even _suggest_ ) that any God exists. And as time progresses, and we learn more about the natural world with science, Gods existence is only seeming less and less likely.

[@ramaraksha01]

They really don't care about God - there is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy etc - but you don't see them insisting that they exist do you? only God - why? Because they view God as a Sugar Daddy - their ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort Just like the likes of Putin, Saddam rewarding their loyal supporters and abusing the rest, this "God" will also reward those who believe and support him and those that do not will end up in hell! Amazing isn't it? The very same people who teach their kids to EARN everything, never beg & grovel for anything, view Putin's supporters with contempt and disgust, now nod their heads when their religion says Heaven cannot be Earned, the only way is to kiss the right butt and they are told they are doing just that, down on their knees begging and groveling for mercy and hoping for an eternal life of ease &comfort Just as Putin's supporters have raped, tortured and killed those suspected of not supporting Putin, religious people too have killed and mass murdered so many innocents But they dominate the media, the moral and the educated & so the silence

[@Valdagast]

Wait a minute. This was posted Dec 16 2013, and original program date was Sept 24, 2014. Does the World Science Festival have working time travel technology?

[@dinohall2595]

Probably either a typo in the description or this is a clip from the discussion before it eventually aired later. Sorry if this was a joke.

[@michaelsilber792]

yes

[@con.troller4183]

Gawd done it.

[@bijoythewimp2854]

Greene: Asking Dawkins whether God exists Dawkins: *Jotaro kujo's theme playing*

[@liciaadinson1102]

The creator of jojo believes in God

[@pabrielgomez8563]

Bless them both.

[@junevandermark952]

If I was a creator of a universe, I would want all my creatures to be able to create their own universes, and not have to re-lie on me for anything.

[@boglerun8444]

Absent parent !.....that's outrageous...😉

[@kristijanpavlovic8605]

We might acquire that ability in the future, when we grow enough in love and truth.

[@junevandermark952]

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 As we are born selfish [survival of the fittest] I suggest that those words love and truth are simply words for dreamers. Those in religion are determined to believe that a god exists that views them "personally" as the great achievers, and others as the dumbed-down losers. lol Egoism is such human's claim to fame.

[@kristijanpavlovic8605]

@@junevandermark952 We are not born selfish, we are taught to become selfish, mostly through our life experience with our environment or our parents. We learn that most of our real needs will not be met, particularly the need to be loved in a true sense so we become self-reliant and simply live to gratify ourselves. This all could be different as our nature has a loving potential. There is nothing dreamy about it, it is a fact of life and if we observe children, particularly the young ones, they are generally more loving than adults. I cannot speak for the religious people as I am not religious, but I can say that God does not divide people into great achievers and dumb down losers as you put it. God loves all of us equally and wants to have a relationship with us no matter who or where we are, or how intelligent or good or evil we are. I agree that humans are mostly egotistic.

[@junevandermark952]

@@kristijanpavlovic8605 Religion teaches that we are born in sin, and that translates as being born selfish, according even to the creator of the universe ... don't you agree?

[@anouardemeg643]

i like the dawkins tie

[@jeff_forsythe]

When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@NetAndyCz]

I think it is entirely possible we live in a simulated universe created by "deistic" god who started it all, and maybe observes stuff without interfering... but that view really does not explain anything, because then we have an entire "outside" universe to account for and explain.

[@RebuttalRecords]

What exactly is "simulated" in our universe? As for deism, I'd have to say I'm on the fence, but I do prefer deism to theist systems of an organized nature.

[@NetAndyCz]

@@RebuttalRecords I would say that the entire universe seems to be simulated, as it is quantified.

[@Hhjhfu247]

1. If that's what happening we should be grateful that we will be able to discover something totally new "outside of universe" what what lay beyond. You act like you are worried there will be New things to explain while most people including atheists would be stunned to discover New Field of reality. 2. Deistic "God"is basically unfalsifable, because even if we will give a philosophical conclusion that Universe is like a perfectly made clock itself then God would be literally the last explanation for that. 3. There literally no reason to believe in deistic "God" - that "God" doesnt care about life, doesnt perform miracles and other supernatural wonders, doesnt give u afterlife, doesnt answer prayers... Its only matters if personal, theistic God exists who at least give you an afterlife.

[@lawrence1318]

No. The corporeal realm by definition cannot exist within another corporeal realm. There is only one corporeal realm. It is a realm, not a universe. What is 'outside' it therefore, is spiritual. Spiritually 'outside', not corporeally outside.

[@RebuttalRecords]

@@Hhjhfu247 And it's the theistic God that blames US for the mistakes in his creation, who favors a race and culture over others, who condones violent punishments, and who stays in the dark ages, this is not a God I'm interested in knowing about.

[@57menjr]

TWO OF MY FAVS

[@janparchanski9242]

Interesting how one of the smartest people on the planet are trying to explain in different ways as simple and logical as possible their views but very few will change their mind. It's very difficult to undo it.

[@djkostya76]

It is also difficult to understand. Usually happens, when there’s no thoughts at all so a person has to use lots of words to mislead the audience .

[@jldeshayes3109]

if it's about power , he's an egyptian

[@SelimAhmed-mh2qz]

Why

[@Jehoshua4u]

Can you prove that you can create or assemble or Organize something without using your brain and Mind? Just use your power. Prove it please :)

[@con.troller4183]

Humans can't but nature clearly can. Yours is the false equivalency logical fallacy.

[@mattfrenden1000]

"Some people believe that a god or gods created the Universe out of nothing. If we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question - where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude the Universe always existed? There's no need for a creation because it was always here." - Carl Sagan

[@mithrasrevisited4873]

Now I know where they cherry picked the design video and didn't show the whole statement.

[@dougieh7]

Does god exist shouldn't be the question. The real question should be if there is a god and he allows all the pain and suffering to happen why should we praise him.

[@itoro5833]

dougieh7 You refuse to read your bible. Let me remind you, it says: the heavens is the Lord's, the earth He has given to the children of men. God has finished His work in the physical world, and is NOT managing it. He is not involved in pains and sufferings. Those are caused by MAN and by ignorance. Blame your self and keep God out of it. You reap what you sow.

[@LAnonHubbard]

Itoro M So no need to pray then. Yipee!

[@ShayaanKhan]

Sorry but I think you didn't study religion well enough, at least not Islam. This life is a test actually. We are all being tested at different levels. The poor person in being tested with his poverty. The rich person is tested with the wealth he have, how he use it. Does he use it to live a materialistic lifestyle without even caring for the needy or he uses the wealth to help the poor and needy. The weak is tested with his weakness and the powerful is tested with his power. But this test is going to end some day and one day we will have to answer God. God says in the Quran that he does not burden a soul more than it can bear. Peace

[@AK-wc9rl]

"God says in the Quran that he does not burden a soul more than it can bear." I have heard Catholic priests and nuns say the same thing. My good friend however committed suicide a few years ago which would suggest that God certainly does give some people more than they can handle. You should question that verse as logic and reality certainly makes a mockery of it.

[@ShayaanKhan]

John Bands Sorry to hear about you friend. But this is what I believe in bro! Maybe your friend could've lived if he didn't give up on with life no matter how hard it gets, and I'm sorry to say that. Peace.

[@Killernaut16]

Does Santa Claus exist? That's the real question.

[@lynnd.8893]

+A Pale Blue Dot-Yes he does and I can prove it.

[@Killernaut16]

Lynn D. "It says so in this book. I mean, how else do you think we get our presents every Christmas?"

[@-_Nuke_-]

"Does Santa Claus exist? That's the real question." No by definition. Though God has a much broader definition therefore it isn't that easy to prove God doesn't exists. But I believe that if we can prove that supernatural beings cannot exist, then the door will be open to dispute God. It's not just a philosophical question. But also a physics one... Could there be something more than the laws of physics? And the laws of the laws of physics... And the laws of the laws of the ... you get the point right? Going like this we can only find more laws and nothing more than that. So in that view - you canot get to the supernatural, because there are always going to be some laws of some other laws of physics...

[@Killernaut16]

@@-_Nuke_- God wasn't proposed by physicists, cosmologists, astronomers, etc. it was made up by people with the scientific literacy of a kindergartner. They created the concept of a god and religious laws because of their curiousity/ignorance.

[@-_Nuke_-]

God in a broader sense is anything that can become supernatural... A supernatural being, is a definition good enough to describe a God... Sure people created all Gods, but the notion of the supernatural is more than that. Is a deep philosophical question, that we should ask ourselves deeply, if can there anything truly be supernatural in this world. Let alone a God.

[@markportnoy6290]

2:45 The first life, at least what we believe was the first life, was itself incredibly complex.

[@DusterBooster]

so complex, you can't account for it!

[@markportnoy6290]

@@DusterBooster nobody can.

[@normanthrelfall8313]

As a biologist Richard Dawkins never mentions Ernst Haeckel, I wonder why?

[@educostanzo]

Why would he?

[@agungdewandaru]

"If those laws were cunningly designed, cunningly crafted... If the deistic God thought that all through..and setup all physics law.. and Then He would have to be damn Clever".. this is a good sentence from Dawkins that i am sure both extreme sides [theist vs atheist] surely agree :)

[@agungdewandaru]

I fully understand your point of view. Yet as theist and a believer in science as well, I felt that science fans tends or might be taking its approach too far. I can argue that, say, an ant living on earth aren't capable to grasp well the structure of manmade roads and buildings. What if science, on its way to understand everything, be used to arrogantly claim the behavior or properties of some superior objects? And impose it that anything should be understandable to us or it is not existent? What if a clever God exists and decides not to be a voluntarily experimental objects of science?

[@zedlepplin9450]

@jqbtube why do most atheist end arguments the way you do?

[@jake1996able]

Agung Dewandaru Science has this ostensive bias, because it has no use for unfalsifiable hypothesises like the existence of a god. It's models need to be falsifiable, because that is how science proceeds. In my philosophy, I would state it that way: Don't make unnecessary assumptions to explain some phenomena, but use testable theories. Don't evoke wild speculation if the answers might lie in a less wild theory.

[@sbrgm]

Ah there it is again - the hatred... It's not about finding the truth, it's about going the way you like.

[@Themilkman916]

Very true

[@Willskull]

As always Dawkins making some great points there! If only people were more like him... that would be such an amazing planet!

[@nargacuga4597]

@Niko If only theist can provide an acceptable evidence then there's no problem to it right? But until then don't expect to change an intellectual mind

[@jgons]

He’s a presuppositionalist if I ever saw one. There’s nothing he could ever hear or see that he wouldn’t explain away. He isn’t an Atheist. He’s an anti-theist. He hates God. If he didn’t think there were one, he wouldn’t have such disdain for Him.

[@bojivi2300]

God forgot the code to access to the 3D world.

[@drsatan7554]

He can't squeeze his omni-dimensional ass into our plane of existence

[@tacticalcheeze5113]

I love the way Brain put it tbh.

[@MrHowie18]

simple to complex is mis-leading, even a single cell has proteins, lipids, plasma, DNA, other chemicals, not that simple.

[@ZeitgeistGaming69]

Yes but when u have billions of years and billions of genetic mutations you start to see change. The genetic mutations that help the organism survive go on because that organism was able to pass on its genes. We actually do see varying levels of complexity in cells as well such as Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells. Some cells have less or more complex organel systems. Eventually, these cells start to form colonies. They eventually connect to each other to form very simple microbes. These microbobes evolve and get larger over hundreds of millions of years. They eventually form jellyfish and then fish and arthropods. These go on for about 3 billion more years to form the life that we have today. We don't know what the first cells were like because they were too small to have fossilized.

[@veronicagorosito187]

Simple is stromatolites. You started too late to mention Life's origins.

[@veronicagorosito187]

Pilbara Craton, start there, cyanobacteria are not that simple. Look earlier than that!

[@daogdaog]

@@ZeitgeistGaming69 If there is no Creator of life forms then show me some hard evidence that a living cell can be created from non life to support your naturalism beliefs.

[@RGRaj_1977]

Dawkin used intelligence to write his books. Everything else came by accidental chance.

[@bretnetherton9273]

"Awareness is known by awareness alone," is the sole irreducible axiom of reality. To put forth a syllable to refute it is to concede...

[@lilchaos4792]

English

[@con.troller4183]

@@lilchaos4792 "English" - It's a hellova drug

[@mobiustrip1400]

Two of my favorite human beings. I also remember Hitch another fave, dead now, poor guy, although he's not aware of it

[@thenavajoknow]

Tieodicy: the theological question of how a God assumed to be almighty and good could allow that thing around Dawkins' neck to happen.

[@eliteteamkiller319]

Ha! I love that tie.

[@cedricdlamini3314]

😂brain greene should star in a sitcom

[@maxwellsequation4887]

He has better things to do. He is one of the greatest physicists on the planet.

[@iceverything2000]

Im an agnostic on God and an Atheist on religion but I think Brian Greens answer is more reasonable than Dawkins.

[@whyareyouevenreadingmyname950]

FanDroid you could have just said you're agnostic that's it.

[@joshuasamuel2122]

+Chuck-U Farly An anti-theist is one that is against religion. An atheist does not believe in any religion. The person above is likely what I am. An Agnostic Atheist

[@joshuasamuel2122]

+Chuck-U Farly I don't subscribe to this idea that every atheist is agnostic. We could make the same argument that every Christian is agnostic because they really can't know that god exists. It's silly. Being an agnostic is about what you believe you know, not what you actually know. A strong atheist will make the argument that they not only reject the claim that god exists, but that one cannot exist. I make no such claim. I'm not sure if there could have been some being or simulator that could have made this universe. I don't believe that one can know for sure, which is why I am an agnostic. Lawrence Krauss shows a lot of signs of being a strong atheist, though I wouldn't call him one necessarily. Krauss tries quite hard to make a god hypothesis as impossible and unnecessary as he can. So to me, there is a difference. Not every atheist is an agnostic

[@Inertia888]

fan droid...you would sound more intelligent if you learned what those words mean before you used them in such a profound statement.

[@joshuasamuel2122]

+Chuck-U Farly I'm not confusing any terms. You however, are confusing the word Agnostic. You just used Gnostic. That's wrong. An Gnostic would be one that knows something. An Agnostic is one that doesn't know. And when I say Strong Atheist, that is the same as Hard Atheist. So you then agree with me that not all atheists are Agnostics. Because the Hard/Strong ones certainly are not Agnostic. I still think that Agnostic Atheist goes a little further, but I won't go into that. But the point I just made is the main one

[@icraftcrafts8685]

Asking a versed atheist if God exists is like asking a lifelong vegan if meat is necessary

[@bigbabatunde1218]

LOL! They're as biased and intellectually corrupt as it comes.

[@isaacmathews4693]

Great conversation between two intelligent men.

[@jeff_forsythe]

When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@jeff_forsythe]

The difference between intelligence and wisdom is suffering......................Falun Gong

[@ghsitesulemani2454]

Brother asked a very good question

[@mihirnatani4479]

😁😁😁😁😁 Laughed so hard on this ......

[@Mathew7245]

Oh crap I got the reference

[@DotyFuzz]

Hope that answered the question lol

[@Musika1220]

I think the problem with the so-called God is most think of "Him" as being a "Being" and having a personality and human behaviour characteristics. Wouldn't it be why both parties disagree on "His" existence?

[@veronicagorosito187]

Exactly. The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be damn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.

[@FlockOfHawks]

@@veronicagorosito187 replace "respect" with "pity" and i'm with you 100% 👍

[@veronicagorosito187]

@@FlockOfHawks No, such a word is not adecuate for what I expressed.

[@FlockOfHawks]

@@veronicagorosito187 okay , then we agree 99% ☺

[@bejitasama2287]

@@veronicagorosito187 actually us muslims believe in the exact same god u r talkin about. A divine thing/being which is nothing like humans. A being of form which human brains cannot comprehend. It is more of like a huge light for me. One omnipotent God.

[@surendrakverma555]

Good discussion.

[@RawDollar]

Basically he is saying if you put God in the equation then he is of less importance. So sad

[@braden5972]

Exactly. He's essentially saying "if I can't explain it without God, its pointless to even try to describe it because then I can't take credit for it". Meanwhile he's presupposing that humans have some sort of value based on their ability to "explain how you get to something complicated enough to do design". But if we're just a bunch of random chemical reactions, then he has no justification to even make that claim, and let alone "believe" in it. He is putting his faith somewhere (in a deified "Science"), whether he wants to admit it or not.

[@shahidafwan1102]

When think deeply on the universe we realize that we can't deny the existence of some intelligent, conscious and powerful thing.

[@callmeej8399]

shahid afwan well not really, I wouldn’t equate the shear wonder of the universe to “I don’t completely understand so there has to be a creator to all of this”. It essentially creates an imaginary cause to the many effects were able to observe in the known universe. “Can’t deny” is an absolute based on bad faith and bad evidence, could it be true, potentially but one can certainly deny based on the lack of evidence we know.

[@RahulSharma-xb4ob]

Whatever that thing is it's not from quran atleast .

[@alonsolekue]

Ehmmmm nop

[@travelsouthafrica5048]

you are a thinker I see , allow me to introduce you to more thinkers James Tour Stephen Meyer Jason Lisle Gary Habermas John Lennox Trey Smith “Noah” and ” Theory of everything” Josh McDowell ” Evidence that demands a verdict” Dr Grady Mcmurtry J Warner Wallace Frank Turek Walter Veith ‘Rekindling the reformation” David Wood “why I became a Christian” John McArthur CS Lewis Mike Winger Dr. Kurt Wise

[@chadrasmussen1154]

God almighty

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

With respect , have you ever seen someone who’s not like anybody else.

[@chadrasmussen6127]

Ya me this life is a circus

[@SetInStoneNow]

This is worthy of Saturday Night Live.

[@eastender1862]

Just do the very best you can towards the human race and respect and look after your earth surely that is all we can do. Forget any theories or religion s. If we spent more time doing the deed then wondering ..the world would be a kinder and better place.

[@kashifuddinahmed8383]

Then the obvious question would be WHY? Why should people do their best towards humanity when most people wouldn't even bother to do the same why shouldn't you cheat people or overwork them while underpaying them ( like Amazon) when it benefits you , when you can live like a king. Not all people are good not all people have a good upbringing .

[@cmvamerica9011]

Is the moon really there when no one is looking at it? Duh

[@MrSmithToday]

Does God "The perfect way exist?" Only for those who want.

[@carrick63]

Richard Dawkins...:God would have to be damned clever".... Mmmmm. Genius, Richard. We'd NEVER have figured that out...

[@kostisnikolaou8255]

Spot on

[@DivinaeMisericordiae77]

Absolutely! If you believe that God created everything then you have to accept that God is a mere googleplex times more intelligent and wiser than the smartest human being that has ever existed!!

[@mgordon42]

@@DivinaeMisericordiae77 Why? Evolution isnt intelligent and yet it created all of us.

[@jeff_forsythe]

We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.

[@alirehaan2528]

Does Einstein exist. I didn't see him so I don't believe.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Good for you. There are records that Einstein existed. He became a naturalized United States citizen. He was a professor at Princeton. There are records of that. His brain is in a jar. What god has that kind of proof of existence?

[@thandasibisi7534]

Edwin Luciano Frias Christians say some 2000 years ago there existed a “son of God” who performed several miracles like manufacturing wine from “nothing” (Well, water counts for “nothing”) Long and short of it is that you have got to admire this “son of god” character.Downer is that some atheists say he is a totally mythical figure who never existed. My take? Maybe 2000 years people will be saying “Einstein never existed”! A lot can happen in 2000 years you know!

[@Linny95]

If God created the universe, then what created him? If he was smart enough to design the laws of Physics, then why is creationism so messy?

[@dedmanic]

+Linnyboy If God created the universe, then he exists outside of the laws of Physics, including space time, and thus has no beginning and no end, therefore requiring no creation. Why is that more impossible to believe than the underlying principle that SOMETHING was created out of NOTHING? Think about what Dawkins is truly suggesting -- he's relying on physicists to still explain the quintessential question of WHO or WHAT created the laws of Physics in the first place? Do they simply exist infinitely? If so, then why is it any harder to believe in an eternal God?

[@Linny95]

dedmanic Because you're rushing to an illogical conclusion. " If God created the universe, then he exists outside of the laws of Physics, including space time, and thus has no beginning and no end, therefore requiring no creation" Yet in the bible it said it took God 7 days to create the Earth. Therefore he does exist in space and time. If he didn't then he wouldn't have taken 7 days. The days signifies the time. "...thus has no beginning and no end, therefore requiring no creation" That's not supported by any rational thought or logic and you're just rushing to that conclusion with no evidence. Just because you saying it so doesn't make it true. Furthermore, how do you know what's beyond space and time? "he underlying principle that SOMETHING was created out of NOTHING? Think about what Dawkins is truly suggesting -- he's relying on physicists to still explain the quintessential question of WHO or WHAT created the laws of Physics in the first place?" You're just putting yourself in a corner. You're suggesting it must be God because the universe is so complex, but then how can something even more complex from the universe just always exist? How is that rational? Furthermore, Dawkins and Krauss aren't suggesting that they know all the answers. But they can provide theories that are supported by logic, rational thinking and various forms of evidence and that's more believable because they understand their ignorance in the question and don't pretend to have all the answers. They're not saying they already do have the answer. However with the information and evidence that scientists have found, they've come up with a theory that's so far connecting the dots. If it's wrong, then it's wrong. However, their theory is more believable than an almighty, omnipotent, omniscient God that apparently exists outside of space and time and because the universe is so complex that it must mean a complex creator created it, thus leading to the question again, how something even more complex than the universe just "exists" and created the universe, laws of physics, biology, chemistry, mass, space, time etc from "nothing". All in all, your suggestion of a God is less reasonable, more confusing, more complex based on no form of evidence and not supported by anything except by a book that didn't even know dinosaurs existed, that the earth orbited the sun, that microrganisms caused illness etc

[@MrHillsidestrangler]

+Linnyboy Super God made him !!!11

[@Linny95]

God of the gaps Then does that mean Super Duper God made Super God?! :O Mind blown!

[@zedlepplin9450]

@Linnyboy "Yet in the bible it said it took God 7 days to create the Earth. Therefore he does exist in space and time. If he didn't then he wouldn't have taken 7 days. The days signifies the time." The Bible is just explaining the creation using "human language". It is simply God introducing the idea of time (an idea he created) to the limited and finite human mind.

[@ableone8956]

No, Dawkins is awesome.

[@MrCoww]

Brian Greene is an amazing speaker.

[@Real_Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

"he would have to be damn clever" don't most people believe in an omniscient god. So he would be even more than "damn clever"

[@inertiaforce7846]

@@OG-tp6qy Demonstrate there's a hell before threatening with it. If you can demonstrate there's a hell you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time.

[@inertiaforce7846]

@@OG-tp6qy And I'm just saying demonstrate a hell even exists. If you can demonstrate there's a hell, you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. So demonstrate it before you go around claiming it's real. I would be very interested to know if there's a hell, because I don't believe in the Christian God. If you could demonstrate there's a hell that might cause me to re-evaluate that lack of belief.

[@inertiaforce7846]

@Halime Khaya I disagree. We think you're not looking deeply enough and we think you're the one who's lost focus.

[@alpcelebi4759]

@@OG-tp6qy dudee... You didn't understand what he meant to say, at all. Just watch it again until you understand

[@techbro_4309]

@Halime Khaya I can't tell if you're trolling or you're actually that incredibly stupid

[@michaelhaddleton2739]

Music unnecessary.

[@geofdowdell2108]

Curious that nobody defines what they mean by 'god', so discussions are meaningless.

[@drsatan7554]

The definition of "god" is quite specific you'll find

[@yanisyanis4439]

Just a question, if there’s laws control all the universe, who set those laws ?

[@sharkardschuyler7007]

A counter question i want to ask...if you are saying there is someone who created those laws...then Who created the creator?... What was before the creator?

[@petyrkowalski9887]

According to the bible, god created man in his own image.... So why are we visible then?

[@churchofdisruption4792]

God is without form. It has no image. We are non physical entities interpreting data sets as a physical form. God created us as consciousness, not physical form.

[@Bugsy0333]

Nothing more then a theory with zero proof

[@NOOBKILLER052]

Yeah as the dude above me said, god does have a body.

[@aununally4274]

@George Nolan I see the pain in Richard Dawkins eyes. There was one time when I felt that same pain. , it comes from a conflict he knows there is a God but he must State there is not one.

[@aununally4274]

The in time deception is being taught in the public schools you all know it you all think you believe it look into your heart. I was told to give my voice and pray that those who hear but listen. It is not the age of the dog that prevents him from learning new tricks it is the ego in his head that prevents him from hearing the details

[@AlainHubert]

Richard's answer only states the obvious. Why couldn't he have simply answered: "I don't know", like everyone else?

[@derrekdevon2366]

I wish I could like your comment 10 times. Dawkins overrates his own intelligence and men who do are generally like that. We can't even fully grasp the concept of "energy" or "consciousness" and someone is expecting that we should be able to grasp the concept of "God" that sustains these things. smh. Sometimes it's best to just humble ourselves and realise that we really know nothing

[@bigballsbilly8210]

@@derrekdevon2366 what a crock of shit statement You're a simple minded fool huh?

[@derrekdevon2366]

@@bigballsbilly8210 what makes me a simple minded fool? My ability to say "I don't know"?

[@attackpatterndelta8949]

@@derrekdevon2366 Dawkins is an Oxford University Don. If anything, he underrates his own intelligence.

[@derrekdevon2366]

@@attackpatterndelta8949 Being a professor at Oxford doesn't make a man wise. You can be a 100 years old and still be a fool. Wisdom comes with understanding that you know nothing and that you can boast about absolutely nothing

[@kevinpetroff5486]

It’s insane that we live in a world where logic and reason are viewed as ridiculous, whereas fantasy and fairy tales are considered absolutely true. Sad. And it will continue for at least a few more hundred years.

[@2fast2block]

You never gave what you believe is true. Why are you so afraid to mention that?

[@kevinpetroff5486]

@@2fast2block i dont “believe” anything that isn’t based on reality. Belief= accepting something as fact without any evidence for it. I do not believe in anything.

[@matosum1]

what a cool tie

[@MissJami]

Probably would have been more effective had he discussed mankind in it's recognizable form having been indisputably on Earth for a hundred thousand years or so. Evidently God completely ignored man for ninety-seven thousand years or so. Popping round only in the last three thousand.

[@michielzoelman1380]

Point? Evolution was for a long time not conscious enough receiving God and writing it down and pass on.

[@pranavlimaye]

@@michielzoelman1380 No, no! His point was that there is no God. If there is one, he/she doesn't give a shit about your son's marriage next week.

[@juhomantynen4638]

Man created god.

[@ATinyPillow]

Juho Mäntynen : Did man create dna? I ask because "God eternal within the body" is literally encoded/written into the top layer of the dna of every living creature on earth. .

[@hedgie9823]

@@ATinyPillow Do you have ANY proof of that or is that another claim to add to the large pile of unfound claims.

[@thorin2152]

That was a wonderful question in the begining 😂😂😂

[@jeff_forsythe]

When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa

[@darealaustinlee]

Brian Greene, we must meet someday Professor.

[@matthewoborne1649]

I am pretty sure TMZ found god hanging out at a wendy's going incognito in a baseball cap and sunglasses. haha

[@cleanmess1400]

Richard the guy who rediscovered the word meme

[@sodacan2594]

So from what Dawkins conceeded...God is possible - he /she/it/they just needs to be very clever (or exist outside of the confines of time so he/she/it/they can see what the outcome of any choice before it's chosen). The point that Dawkins repeats about an idea/concept "upsetting your enterprise," was a tad egotistical.

[@veronicagorosito187]

The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be gdamn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.

[@mustanggemini2156]

Doubt, which comes later, is weaker than certainty. But to have infinite doubts make madness becomes infinity because nothing has become a certainty. Is that wrong?

[@thehauntedstream7206]

That which does not have beginning must be for something that’s dependant to exist.

[@sudhirpatel7620]

'I' believed in God when I really needed a Superhero to save me. Oh God. Please make the bad situation go away.

[@fcchannel6162]

that how all christians look at god not just atheist or should i say everybody

[@kamran9745]

This world is solely the enjoyment of delusion, these fancy cars and houses does not benefit us in any way. When life gives us things we are happy but when life takes things away from us we automatically become sad. We love this world but this world does not love us back. In fact, we would give this world everything we have and this world would give us nothing in return, there will be no true happiness for you on earth, always that feeling in your soul, the missing element that you truly try to find. In fact happiness is not how much you have, rather it is how much we can live without! Nothing would satisfy the hunger of man in this quest for this world, except the dirt (the grave), meaning that when we enter our grave only then would we be truly satisfied. If you had a value of Gold, guess what, you would wish that you had another one. This is the reality of this world, a world where true contemptness does not exist. I dont write much on KZbin, except that you would be deserved the truth!

[@sundareshvenugopal6575]

If there is a God worth that word is he a truly scientific God or a truly unscientific God ? To call him a mad hatter would be the understatement of all time.

[@normanno8514]

i read this as brian dawkins talks to richard greene - i have to admit that i did think it was odd that the hall of fame eagles safety would be talking to the 50s tv Robin Hood about god

[@daminism]

Dawkins' ties evolved from nothing to absolutely something.

[@delmanpronto9374]

lol don't be harsh. the man has to sell his books.

[@redmatters9318]

Egunleti Damilola . It's obvious that his tie is a fractal, binary self-replicating algorithmic! Same as mature is .... He's a wonderful speaker and his tie loves him. G'day FROM AUSTRALIA COBBER.

[@Zo-hc2fn]

it is always so that there is a boss, not none nor several. you take a shop, there is a boss, every shop has a boss you take a city, there is a boss (called mayor) every city has a boss you take a flock of birds, there is a boss every flock has a boss you take a country, there is a boss, every country has a boss and so on... it is always so, there is a boss, not none nor several, there is no exception so, now, you take the universe, there is a boss

[@davidhodge8509]

This was a very weak argument against God. He basically said that there can’t be a God because if there’s a God then my work as a scientist loses its luster.

[@TheCabIe]

Yeah, I can agree with that, this sort of argument seems a bit selfish. But at the same time, I think this idea that a creator is supposed to be immune to "origin" question while a Universe (or Multiverse) isn't, seems kind of dishonest. Personally I think the idea that some kind of creator, a "programmer" if you will, input the parameters for laws of physics, all the constants etc. (even if it's random and been done many many times in other Universes) and pressed "start" (big bang) is interesting, but ultimately I think it just comes down to our inability to comprehend true "nothingness" so we need some sort of impetus at the start of it all to feel at ease. But the same way a God can be eternal, why couldn't a Universe (or Multiverse) be eternal as well? Maybe ultimately it is just how it works and always has. Regardless, even if one does believe in this sort of deistic idea of a God, it is MILES different than believing what most people on Earth believe with current world religions. Believing that this creator knows about us, cares for us and wants us to do something is significantly bigger claim and when scrutinized by rational logical people it just doesn't hold up.

[@davidhodge8509]

Modestas Malakauskas I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest. We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer. We don’t have any idea how the creator came to be bc there’s nothing we can use to determine that. Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island. If we landed on the island and couldn’t find the person who spelled it out, would we way “oh I guess it was just chance after all.” Of course not! We have no idea where that person went or who he was but we know for certain that someone spelled out that word.

[@TheCabIe]

@@davidhodge8509 "I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest." Well, most religious people will say "it doesn't demand an answer, God was always there". If you say "I don't know", then that's fair because science may never be able to fully explain how "something" started at the very base level. So we have to be comfortable with saying "we don't know". "Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island." I don't think it's similar at all. We KNOW that beach sand doesn't randomly rearrange itself into something that resembles a word. Ever. So yes, it does require a "designer". But what we interpret as "complexity" is very subjective. For a long time we couldn't comprehend how lightning strikes worked, therefore "it must have come from some divine source". "We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer." For example? We understand how stars formed, how evolution happened, as complex as it may seem it doesn't require a designer at all. And once again, history shows us that we have a very clear tendency to attribute anything "complex" to some sort of divinity/creator. It happened many many times throughout our recorded history. I mean, if you lived during Ancient Greece, you would have to attribute lightning as "clear proof" that some kind of "higher power" is in effect, right? Eventually this mystique was shattered. Yes, at some point this complexity may once again reach the point where it may seem "unfathomable" to just happen naturally to many people (big bang, for example), but it's not exactly evidence, it's just our interpretation of it.

[@truthoverhappiness7338]

Absolutely correct.

[@pinball1970]

@@davidhodge8509 There is zero evidence of design if you understand anything of physics or Biology