Scientists should not mislead the public | Peter Woit and Lex Fridman

[@SullivanMarsters]

Scientists should be mindful to separate the lanes between science and public policy, and recognize their expertise only goes so far when it come to the latter

[@jaywettlaufer4239]

The reverse is even more true.

[@stevenverrall4527]

Increasingly, political leaders are letting computer models do their thinking for them. The past three years has shown us the trail of misery where that leads... Within complex systems, an experienced human intellect will always make better longterm decisions than a computer model. Very bad outcomes can occur if the computer model does not value humanity as a desirable quality. Why would a non-human, who was created as a slave to humanity, desire humanity anyway?

[@NuanceOverDogma]

This guy took Lex out to the woodshed. He’s no nonsense

[@toddtrimble2555]

Well, he called out Lex on inviting flashy types like Eric Weinstein and Stephen Wolfram, many of whose ideas are extremely dubious to real experts in physics, to put it mildly. I doubt Woit has it in for Lex Fridman himself, who is obviously not equipped to render an independent opinion on these matters. However, the depth of the problem Woit has been pointing out doesn't seem to have dawned on Fridman, who "pushes back" and rambles on about "inspiration" and "philosophy". Sigh. (Lex Fridman might invite Hossenfelder for a chat.)

[@travisfaulkner3224]

Dr. Fauci said a couple of days ago “if you criticize me, you criticize science itself. I am science”. Science is supposed to welcome criticism in order to pursue truth.

[@RandomPickles]

The only thing taht corrects science is newer science

[@tangodelta6890]

Well he also created the virus so I wouldn’t make him mad

[@MillerTime981]

"I AM THE SENATE"

[@travisfaulkner3224]

@@Fgway wise words my friend, wise words.

[@RandomPickles]

@@MillerTime981 Yeah lol That is reality. No difference right? Lmfao what a joke. This doctor is not a saint but god damn lol

[@stooch66]

“We shouldn’t tell people things that aren’t true.” The world: gender is a social construct.

[@dontquitnoob1347]

Also people: "Climate change isn't caused by humans"

[@TheYgds]

I'm in the biological sciences, and while I, for a time, could entertain the notion that gender expression has flexibility and spectral qualities, the notion of sex on a spectrum is just baffling. Sexual reproduction and the production of morphologically and functionally different gametes is highly robust and ancient. Human morphological sexual dimorphism is dramatic and robust especially when compared to other primates. All scientific study has shown is how the system can be perturbed to generate non-functional intermediate gonads, or switch the sex of a developing animal, again requiring pretty significant interference with gene signaling. We've let our extraordinary intellectual flexibility be mistaken for highly flexible biology. Honestly, I also think the moves towards a less gender dependent society are being influenced by endocrine disruptors that have upset our hormonal balance and led to far more people feeling dissatisfied with their morphology (research phthalate syndrome, the research is quite good).

[@bhuvaneshs.k638]

We need more topics on Physics... ❤️ Lex is s graceful podcaster

[@noisemagician]

Thank God we have Sabine Hossenfelder, could you invite her on your podcast Lex? She has a youtube channel, she is amazing.

[@gshefer11]

Lawrence Krauss had a great talk with her on his "origins" podcast. She's very agenda-driven in her criticisms, very selective with her facts.

[@noisemagician]

@@gshefer11 What do you mean by ''agenda-driven''? Which agenda? What do you mean by ''selective with her facts''?

[@gshefer11]

@@noisemagician I mean MOND has evident limitations in describing several phenomena. I have yet to see her go into detail about those. And yet regarding theories she doesn't like she is VERY judgmental and quick to malign entire fields of research. this is not what I'd expect from an honest scientist.

[@stevenverrall4527]

@@gshefer11 Dark matter particles do not appear to actually exist. Some type of quantum field explanation potentially works better. MOND is merely a rough guess at a deeper explanation. Much like Newton's Laws were a rough guess at the deeper explanations provided by GR and QFT.

[@stevenverrall4527]

She doesn't think God exists. Very close-minded on that front.

[@YellowJack1020]

Lex's interview with the NIH / NIAID individual recently comes to mind when reading the title for this video. *EDIT* his name is Francis Collins, and watching the video the guy came off as a scientist who was misleading on several occasions

[@NuanceOverDogma]

He saying “we’ve lost our way”

[@roybatty-]

String theory, dark matter, dark energy, etc. have set back science 45 years. There are alternate theories out there that have been suppressed because they did not conform to the main stream. I hope there are real scientists out there working on the fringes and outside of the mainstream who are really making some kind of progress.

[@xavierplatiau3574]

No theory gets silenced in Physics. If you are right ultimately your ideas get to the front page. Dark energy and dark matter are only words that we put to speak about 2 phenomenons, supported by many observations, that we don’t understand, it’s nothing mystical. Nowadays everybody question why some people invested so much time into String Theory, which is healthy, but nobody recognizes that it was, and still is, a promising idea. It’s not the only idea out there and many people works on different theories.

[@williambranch4283]

Manufacturing consent is governmental. Manufacturing grants is scientific. Big Science joins both.

[@magtovi]

I hate the way this conversation beats about the bush. Say it how it is: String Theory is a dead end, and science communicators should be honest about it (and I'd say even honest with themselves first).

[@CACBCCCU]

So happy the JTWST is almost ready to go to work. Easily could be great for seeing new gravity physics but I expect standard model people will not be helpful.

[@kenadams5504]

Without naming names!!..the only string theory interviewee I've seen on this show is Brian Greene.I watched all the interviews with him and he never once tried to say String theory was this/that.He actually stated that he would be the first to celebrate if String theory was ever falsified because then he could could draw a line under it.Lex knows this ,yet allows Mr White now to chastise for a perceived deception.I wouldn't mind except Lex was nice as pie to Mr. Greene, (in person), and the interviews with him are still on KZbin for anyone who wants to verify this.

[@chriser555]

Why are you narrowing it to only people that have been guests on Lex's show? I assume he's talking about ppl like Michio Kaku

[@JamesIanGilliam]

@@chriser555 he said people coming on podcasts like yours. To me it sounds like he’s implying someone was on his show spreading false info

[@chriser555]

@@JamesIanGilliam (*like*)

[@J-Ton]

I thought he was referring to Eric Weinstein

[@cconder19]

Interesting thing to me is that our society has been conditioned by a certain segment to believe that “truth” is relative rather than objective. Just as with physics, cold hard truth eventually becomes the immovable object that our reality, serving as the irresistible force, slams us into eventually. The harder we resist the irresistible force, the harder the impact is with the immovable object. Brace yourselves for impact people. There have been a lot of lies told for the last 20 years or so… the impact is going to be felt by us all. Truth cannot be denied or bull💩ed away.

[@chadgregory9037]

4:00 what he is saying is, quantum physics has become a religion! LOL

[@davidrandell2224]

Standard Model, Newton, LeSage, Einstein, strings, membranes all under the bus since 2002. Keep up.

[@sjzara]

Einstein has been doing very well. General Relativity was the foundation for Penrose’s recent Nobel Prize, and the discovery of gravitational waves.

[@davidrandell2224]

@@sjzara No doubt Ptolemy would have received a Nobel prize in his day only to be rescinded in Copernicus’ day. SR wrong due to reference frame mixing. GR bad math methods ends its validity. On and on. “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon.

[@je25ff]

When he uses the term, 'sociology', he really means the people propping up string theory are doing so in a political manner, not scientific.

[@TheThrivingTherapsid]

The progress of a king through the guts of a beggar.

[@mkcoco4293]

Drink water whoever is reading this.

[@somerandomcostarricandude7081]

Thanks mate.

[@mkcoco4293]

@@somerandomcostarricandude7081 just doing what I can bruv

[@LuisSanchez-mm8zk]

I just ate. I’m too full.

[@benjamindoverfield6973]

He is right. Trust has been lost.

[@SpotterVideo]

String Theory was not a waste of time. Geometry is the key to Math and Physics. What if we describe subatomic particles as spatial curvature, instead of trying to describe General Relativity as being mediated by particles? Quantum Entangled Twisted Tubules: "A theory that you can't explain to a bartender is probably no damn good." Ernest Rutherford The following is meant to be a generalized framework for an extension of Kaluza-Klein Theory. Does it agree with the “Twistor Theory” of Roger Penrose? During the early history of mankind, the twisting of fibers was used to produce thread, and this thread was used to produce fabrics. The twist of the thread is locked up within these fabrics. Is matter made up of twisted 3D-4D structures which store spatial curvature that we describe as “particles"? Are the twist cycles the "quanta" of Quantum Mechanics? When we draw a sine wave on a blackboard, we are representing spatial curvature. Does a photon transfer spatial curvature from one location to another? Wrap a piece of wire around a pencil and it can produce a 3D coil of wire, much like a spring. When viewed from the side it can look like a two-dimensional sine wave. You could coil the wire with either a right-hand twist, or with a left-hand twist. Could Planck's Constant be proportional to the twist cycles. A photon with a higher frequency has more energy. ( E=hf, More spatial curvature as the frequency increases = more Energy ). What if gluons are actually made up of these twisted tubes which become entangled with other tubes to produce quarks. (In the same way twisted electrical extension cords can become entangled.) Therefore, the gluons are a part of the quarks. Quarks cannot exist without gluons, and vice-versa. Mesons are made up of two entangled tubes (Quarks/Gluons), while protons and neutrons would be made up of three entangled tubes. (Quarks/Gluons) The "Color Force" would be related to the XYZ coordinates (orientation) of entanglement. "Asymptotic Freedom", and "flux tubes" are logically based on this concept. The Dirac “belt trick” also reveals the concept of twist in the ½ spin of subatomic particles. If each twist cycle is proportional to h, we have identified the source of Quantum Mechanics as a consequence twist cycle geometry. Modern physicists say the Strong Force is mediated by a constant exchange of Mesons. The diagrams produced by some modern physicists actually represent the Strong Force like a spring connecting the two quarks. Asymptotic Freedom acts like real springs. Their drawing is actually more correct than their theory and matches perfectly to what I am saying in this model. You cannot separate the Gluons from the Quarks because they are a part of the same thing. The Quarks are the places where the Gluons are entangled with each other. Neutrinos would be made up of a twisted torus (like a twisted donut) within this model. Gravity is a result of a very small curvature imbalance within atoms. (This is why the force of gravity is so small.) Instead of attempting to explain matter as "particles", this concept attempts to explain matter more in the manner of our current understanding of the space-time curvature of gravity. If an electron has qualities of both a particle and a wave, it cannot be either one. It must be something else. Therefore, a "particle" is actually a structure which stores spatial curvature. Can an electron-positron pair (which are made up of opposite directions of twist) annihilate each other by unwinding into each other producing Gamma Ray photons? Does an electron travel through space like a threaded nut traveling down a threaded rod, with each twist cycle proportional to Planck’s Constant? Does it wind up on one end, while unwinding on the other end? Is this related to the Higgs field? Does this help explain the strange ½ spin of many subatomic particles? Does the 720 degree rotation of a 1/2 spin particle require at least one extra dimension? Alpha decay occurs when the two protons and two neutrons (which are bound together by entangled tubes), become un-entangled from the rest of the nucleons . Beta decay occurs when the tube of a down quark/gluon in a neutron becomes overtwisted and breaks producing a twisted torus (neutrino) and an up quark, and the ejected electron. The phenomenon of Supercoiling involving twist and writhe cycles may reveal how overtwisted quarks can produce these new particles. The conversion of twists into writhes, and vice-versa, is an interesting process. Gamma photons are produced when a tube unwinds producing electromagnetic waves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Within this model a black hole could represent a quantum of gravity, because it is one cycle of spatial gravitational curvature. Therefore, instead of a graviton being a subatomic particle it could be considered to be a black hole. The overall gravitational attraction would be caused by a very tiny curvature imbalance within atoms. We know there is an unequal distribution of electrical charge within each atom because the positive charge is concentrated within the nucleus, even though the overall electrical charge of the atom is balanced by equal positive and negative charge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this model Alpha equals the compactification ratio within the twistor cone. 1/137 1= Hypertubule diameter at 4D interface 137= Cone’s larger end diameter at 3D interface where the photons are absorbed or emitted. The 4D twisted Hypertubule gets longer or shorter as twisting or untwisting occurs. (720 degrees per twist cycle.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many neutrinos are left over from the Big Bang? They have a small mass, but they could be very large in number. Could this help explain Dark Matter?

[@chadgregory9037]

2:40 what he is talking about is the development of stochastic models. Basically, regardless of whether you think infinity exists or not, its nothing but a mathematical tool. And models are nothing but logical information flows, and "AI" is nothing but logic that contains the logic to better itself... however, the HUGE distinction now is HOW FAST can the logic improve itself with itself.... that is where biology is lightyears ahead

[@dontcare7086]

Scientists shouldn't mislead the public in every field.

[@TheSeanpatrickobrien]

Yea not in my field anyway

[@andrewx3y8c]

I was thinking Brian Greene but I don’t think BG goes around espousing string theory as if it’s absolutely true. He’s always seemed pretty honest about it not being experimentally verified or even the only possible explanation of a unified theory anytime I’ve heard him speak about it. In fact I think I I remember him saying on the show it is actually not a “theory” but a hypothesis currently. Do these things not deserve exploring? Maybe PW wasn’t talking about BG.

[@Hugging_Cactus]

‘what damage do you do to the study of the thing itself by spreading a false direction’

[@ohshitwhatwasthatnoise5093]

Get Jimmy Corsetti from Bright Insight on!!!!

[@brandonsager223]

BRIAN GREENE?

[@JordanBeagle]

Hype for hype's sake isn't worth it

[@pala1blood240]

Lex, we need you to dig into the mind of Edward Witten.

[@chillylizerd]

Scientists should not mislead the public but they do, all the fucking time.

[@anewman]

So he's talking about Eric Weinstein then?

[@clintcalvert9250]

What to say to those waiting for your words,isn’t an easy decision. Billions of human beings are at stake.

[@tajmahal6533]

Who and which theories is he talking about?

[@AtlasFullsun]

He's digging at Steven Wolfram. hahaha.

[@andrewofaiur]

is the name he wont name something along the lines of michio kaku?

[@andreic5713]

or a certain neil degrassetyson ?

[@Carefaceeeee]

String theory is interesting to people cause its fun ,its mystical and pretty trippy. I think its a good thing ,we need to think in these ways to go forward cause the old boring shit wont solve anything anymore. The universe is so much more complex than our math etc etc. The person that solves the next huge thing will be a philosopher not a bland mathgeek without imagination.

[@michaeljablonowski7816]

He talks like Elon musk in a way.

[@brunocapuzzo3834]

3:07 is pretty much Elon

[@bhuvaneshs.k638]

@@brunocapuzzo3834 hahaa yes

[@harryh628]

if they didnt though we ewouldnt have science lol

[@ginebro1930]

"you sell ideas to people even if you don't know if they work" Are we describing Elon Musk?

[@academyofchampions1]

String theory is GARBAGE

[@SullivanMarsters]

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