The Science of Addiction & ADHD (with

The rates of substance abuse are far higher amongst those with ADHD, so this week ADHD Love's Rox joins us to talk about addiction, sobriety, and ADHD!
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References & Further Reading
Addiction
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www.mind.org.uk/information-s...
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ADHD
www.nhs.uk/conditions/attenti...
www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/index...
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ADHD & Addiction
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
chadd.org/about-adhd/co-occur...
www.cambridge.org/core/journa...
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www.additudemag.com/addictive...
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ADHD Medication
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ADHD Children
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[@SciGuys]

Do you have ADHD? Have you experienced substance abuse issues?

[@mostazezo]

I have ADHD and I'm probably a sex addict so there's that otherwise I've never had any drugs because I know I won't be able to stop.

[@peachscentedskulls]

yep. yep.

[@RyannJoyRule]

Yeah yeah

[@bumbilion]

I have adhd and never had any substance abuse like many people with ADHD.

[@foreverAGandmore]

yes and yes ):

[@roli112233]

As a bisexual I always appreciate watching Corry attempt to sit in that chair 😂❤🎉

[@threeofeight197]

Why as a bisexual?

[@djungelskog132]

@@threeofeight197its a joke in the bi community that they cant sit properly on chairs

[@xr2kid]

Yeah it's a running joke funnily enough People who have ADHD and Autism have bad posture usually and sitting styles and we're more likely to be Queer. Lol

[@fanellaforever]

If anyone is struggling to quit nicotine, I have quit this year after 15 years of smoking and then vaping, by listening to Alan Carrs easy way audiobook. Theres a few outdated concepts in there and I was really skeptical even while listening to it, but considering I'd been REALLY struggling for weeks beforehand to give up, as soon as I finished the book, I put the vape down, and somehow it did just seem easy, I wasnt tempted any more. That was over two months ago and still so proud of myself and amazed how much that book helped me so for anyone wanting to give up, I would highly reccomend giving Alan Carr a try.

[@cojoes1423]

Thanks for this - I’ve been struggling with vaping but dipped around a bit with smoking last year due to a mix of peer influence and poor impulse control. I’ll definitely give Alan Carr’s work a read or listen. It’s just those first few days and couple weeks and weeks without it I’ve struggled with.

[@fanellaforever]

@cojoes1423 Awesome, you definately should! I struggled the same, would lie in bed at night unable to sleep thinking I needed a vape. But then after listening to the book...suddenly I didn't feel like I needed it! And when somethings helped you so much, you just want EVERYONE to know so it can help them too! Let me know how you get on, good luck!

[@planetaryg0]

same!! i went to allen carr's in-person talk in february and i've been clean from vaping since

[@fanellaforever]

@planetary_g0 wow I bet its even more powerful in person!

[@aproposinkognito9169]

Thank you for this advice. I smoke my whole life and really want to stop it.

[@Sarah.p.Stewart8654]

Getting glasses for the first time and using stimulant meds for the first time were remarkably similar experiences. The whole “wait, this is how most people see the world” thing

[@threeofeight197]

You’re addicted to your glasses, clearly!!! 😂😂😂❤❤❤

[@barghast]

What a great idea for a collab. It would be cool to see you do something similar some time with Dorian (Of Herbs And Altars) about autism and drug use.

[@TonyHalle]

Yes please!! If they are down 😁

[@jesthered7966]

My KZbin streams are crossing again. This is such a great collab!

[@erenjaeger5146]

26:54 all i remember of my childhood is not being good enough.i was a gifted kid but no matter what i was wrong. from parents or family or teachers. i wasn’t good enough, ever. i love my dad but my childhood memories of him are him correcting me.

[@zalletu]

what a collab! 😍

[@kesaruhasun3213]

You haven't talked about the porn addiction guys. I don't know, I would really love one from you

[@zacharycadman8226]

It's a almost constant feeling that 'something is missing'.

[@jakee778]

great video

[@imgeniusish]

i dont know if i have adhd but i know i easily get addicted, i had alcohol issues and i only recently stopped smoking, which was the longest one i had to deal with, quit many times and couldnt put it down for good. im an obsessive person in general but fortunately i realized that early enough so i could get sober and i managed to keep saying no to drugs. im addicted to caffeine tho and to shopping i think, and to watching series/anime/movies/whatever so i dont have to deal with reality.

[@nicocurtis2632]

I think if you have already struggled with addiction, there's a slightly more chance that you could get addicted to the adhd meds. It's not really something I'd worry about but it definitely is possible, especially with Ritalin, that's one which a few of my friends with ADHD who have previously struggled with addiction have abused. ofc others can also be addictive and ofc a lot of ppl don't get addicted to the meds. This is just talking from personal knowledge, I haven't had any abuse with my adhd meds and it's not something that should deter someone from medication bc meds are really important and helpful for adhd. I personally don't think that adhd meds up the chance of addiction, I think previous addiction experiences up the chance of abusing adhd meds. But I think that's the same with any medication, if you've struggled with substance abuse and you're taking a drug, there's always the chance of abusing that substance. But medications are an important part of treatment, foundation for improvement, and just overall management of mental illnesses or disabilities and are definitely positive, like everything else in terms of treatment...every approach works differently depending on the individual, it's important to find what works best for you

[@bananewane1402]

I have ADHD and for me the meds just help me do things. I don't think I could ever abuse them or get addicted to them because they simply don't produce a pleasurable "high" for me. I prefer how I feel when I'm off them and only take them when I need to get work done and want to do so without nearly crying out of exhaustion and frustration.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

I mean. Is being slightly more able to do things like neurotypical people addicting? There is no chemical dependency, so it must be an addiction created from feeling good as a result of the medication. Which is basically being slightly less distractable, or slightly more able to get out of being paralysed while trying to make yourself do a task.

[@threeofeight197]

My meds have helped me w addiction. I don’t get the cravings for excitement and adventure like I did before. In a perfect world I wouldn’t take meds, but I have a desk job that I need to keep and they definitely help with that. Maybe when I retire I can stop and be my true self.

[@ThinkNeurodiversity]

Please dont take meds advice from an influencer and speak to a professional clinician. It may just change your life. Makes for a shit tiktok video though.

[@ThinkNeurodiversity]

Nope that's factually and scientifically incorrect opinion right there.

[@theotherway1639]

Two cool books for sobriety are The Easy Way by Allen Carr and 30 Days to Sobriety by Harper Daniels. They use unconventional approaches, like mindfulness.

[@TonyHalle]

"Its been 56 days since my last podcast..." "I wish i could get that long off!"

[@venlalehtinen6409]

I watched this ep and listened to the new Blind Channel song ft. Røry the same day.. took me way too long to realise it's the same person. This was an insightful episode with a cool guest and the song's cool as well. :)

[@sylve2474]

I have adhd,, never had a substance abuse issue since I've never had them,, but I'm pretty sure I have an addiction to, like, reading (usually fanfics, lol,, or books/fiction in general),,, or at least an internet addiction or smth

[@survivalstep]

Addiction rates are higher for queer people and neurodivergent people which sucks for me being both trans and having ADHD because I ended up with a drinking problem lmao (I'm not totally sober now but I would consider myself recovered- I pretty much only drink on special occasions). I'm very careful about what habits I let myself develop these days (even with minor stuff like taking paracetamol regularly) because quitting was a nightmare and I never want to have to go through that again lol. I've got massive sympathy for anyone struggling with any substance or gambling addictions.

[@planetaryg0]

I JUST NOTICED I'M IN THE CREDITS YAY

[@QHuman]

This is my first time watching this channel and my first thought was "Wow these dudes are really hot" lol

[@LauraDora124]

I’m diagnosed autistic, which I know is often comorbid with ADHD, but I have no idea if I’m actually AuDhD or not. I still struggle to figure out what’s an overlap/similarity and what’s comorbidity. If I use something, but it doesn’t impact me negatively and I can control when I use it; that’s not addiction? Even if I use it most days in small amounts? I’m not negatively impacted any more than usual (due to potential sensory overload etc) on the days I don’t use it. If largely it’s safe, regulated and brings happiness/stability when used at certain times…that’s not considered addiction right? Weed was briefly mentioned, but it had me thinking. I want to be wary of addiction and figuring out at what point it becomes reliance and whether reliance is inherently bad…or if there’s a level of reliance to be wary of. I talk to their professionals, but that only goes so far and I have to keep myself in check. If it’s helping me, that’s good right? - New Medical THC user (legal) (Oil under tongue and dried flower) My next prescription is due soon and I’m not even half way through. I’m getting the next one for free, as an alternative to refunding something they couldn’t, otherwise I wouldn’t bother. When I next talk to them I can maybe see about replacing/reducing how much they give me. I want to think that’s a good sign 😂 It just didn’t make sense to /not/ get my money’s worth for the next one 😂 why ask for less when you’re not paying this time around? I should add - they offered me the larger volume options and I said no. Ps- I’m sure this wall of waffle made the autism abundantly clear 😆 Self aware, but only after the fact. However, let’s keep it authentic 🤪

[@Kick0a0cat]

I mean yes, the impact on your life is definitely important arguably the most. Other than that it's also, could you go without?

[@threeofeight197]

I think the line is whether or not it negatively impacts your life. But be careful that you’re not deceiving yourself. Maybe you’re spending way too much much money on it or maybe it’s affecting you in other ways. Just be aware and keep an eye on it. And listen/be open to friends or family if they have concerns.

[@CynderWolff]

yes adhd yes addiction to xanax as a teen. im also queer and autistic

[@anthovision7048]

I was diagnosed at 9yo. At what age where u guys diagnosed?

[@sylve2474]

Like a month ago as a 20, almost 2yo in my third year of uni(started looking into getting diagnosed in first year, but they said to address my anxiety first to make sure it's not weird symptoms of that)

[@xr2kid]

I got diagnosed with Autism but never got the formal ADHD diagnosis because at the time they wouldn't diagnose both it was one or the other. So, I just got diagnosed officially at 25

[@djungelskog132]

Yass

[@zalletu]

Oooh I just noticed Luke’s pronouns has changed here 🎉

[@WhyIsTheClosetDoorOpening]

I have ADHD, I’ve never had any substance abuse issues.

[@threeofeight197]

👍 Nice.

[@autumnpendergast9151]

I love this whole show, but please avoid calling women fighting for women and girls terfs. That is really nasty.

[@autumnpendergast9151]

And pretty hypocritical.