Tern Verge D9 folding bike review

[@scooby1961]

If you are interested in bodybuilding, not bikes, then skip to last 8 seconds.

[@FargonNemeloc]

Lmao, gotta squeeze those bodybuilding tips, wherever they might be Although its a nice bike review, my legs aren't made for small wheels (unless electric)

[@nobshistoryengineering4421]

False advertisement, was actually the last 4 seconds. Cardio killed my brains.

[@tillmonshepard]

I love you you sexy muscle daddy ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@dallysinghson5569]

But if you wanna bodybuildy for a long long time then cardio equipment like bikes are interesting

[@LifeAsANoun]

😏

[@sigma_799]

i just love how with scooby his editing still didn’t change. no unnecessary transitions and cuts here

[@scooby1961]

I have not changed since I started making videos in 2005. No time for fluff, take it or leave it.

[@sigma_799]

@@scooby1961 yes i agree with you.

[@spelmastarn5235]

Thanks man, excellent review - I used it to make my choices and have now bought a Tern Verge D9.

[@scooby1961]

Good choice!

[@MrTranker]

ive been watching you for many years but never really commented, you are the sole person that making me looking forward to getting an older age knowing one can have aesthetics like yourself, interesting enough i moved to cycle friendly country which now i am looking into getting one thanks for your review

[@Mittelformat]

Wow, thanks for this useful review. It covered a lot of aspects I didn't find anywhere else. Also the mentioned details about the Rohloff are interesting, I wasn't aware how expensive it is to get a Rohloff hub in the USA.

[@scooby1961]

Expensive and very heavy.

[@pishbot]

looking shredded, scooby. that's a sweet bike!

[@Philitron128]

Hey Scoob, great vid and it's almost exactly what i've been looking for. Quick note, while we all appreciate the sick body, I hope you're wearing sunscreen! My old man never did and dealing with skin cancer really sucks.

[@actuariallyspeaking7692]

Beautiful background, maybe one day i'll learn to ride a bike. Thanks Scoob!

[@ChrisShawarma]

I find your review very interesting, I saw that Brompton recently changed their gearing systems and now have more to offer. But this bike has 22 inch wheels. They are set more on a middle-ground between "normal" bikes and small folding bikes like the Brompton. The price seems to be ok, too. I will certainly take into consideration what you said if I ever change my working system with the Brompton. I've invested so much time in personalizing the bike that it seems hard to separate myself from the brompton for now.

[@scooby1961]

Im totally with you. I only switch bikes when I am forced to … and I just broke a steel frame :)

[@ChrisShawarma]

@@scooby1961 you're too strong scooby, the steelbending 61er.

[@wcleong5584]

I got a Tern Enclipce X22.

[@GiantAnteatersRkool]

Thanks Scooby! Just curious, could you not fit your regular non-fold bike in the RV? I'd definitely need a folding bike since I drive a Honda civic lol

[@scooby1961]

One road bike fits in the RV basement but not two

[@aaronvaneps7110]

That's a beefy hinge - I like that. Since you're a pretty big dude, do you notice the bike frame twisting as you torque it when you're really pedaling hard?

[@scooby1961]

no twisting at all, even honking on the pedals going up hill off the seat

[@aaronvaneps7110]

@@scooby1961 Incredible. That's a feat of engineering.

[@andythousand345]

I have a website that has tons of folding bike reviews and I agree with everything you said Scooby. And Tern is also my favorite. Great review!

[@scooby1961]

Thanks for sharing!

[@andythousand345]

@@scooby1961 you’re welcome Scooby, and you keep sharing the awesome content also.

[@GiantAnteatersRkool]

@@andythousand345 what's your opinion on d9 vs d10?

[@andythousand345]

@@GiantAnteatersRkool The d10 costs more because you get higher grade components, but if you’re looking for a folding bike that’s more than adequate for daily riding with only one less gear, the d9 is a much better value.

[@GiantAnteatersRkool]

@@andythousand345 thanks! Would you share your website?

[@dangerdavefreestyle]

I was scrolling through my recommended, and a thumbnail of Frank Zane was right next to yours, so I was like oh Frank and Peter!, and I took a snapshot of it.

[@nighthawk5909]

You and your vedeos are so nice . God bless you

[@scooby1961]

Thank you so much 😀

[@joeschmo2693]

Is there any chance at all you could somehow trip one of the fold points while riding? That could definitely smart.

[@JDJ473]

Got a Dahon MU round trip circa 2016 for free baby !! Taped it up with padding into its zip up carrying case, not a scratch on her

[@scooby1961]

Cant beat free!

[@brotomann]

I have a six speed Brompton, and I replaced the Sturmey Archer rear hub with a Sturmey Archer with drum brakes. I love having a set of brakes that I know will work in any weather, and I can get most of my stopping done with the rear brake before finishing the stop with a front brake. I have considered modding the front brake to a disc brake, but I haven't found the need yet.

[@harizotoh7]

What do you think of bikes as pragmatic tools? I'm going mostly car-free and I use my bike + heavy duty trailer for my groceries, as well as for my business instead of using a car. It saves me a lot of money. I think a lot of people could go car-lite if they purchased a trailer or cargo bike.

[@scooby1961]

its perfect but dont get a folding bike for that, get a MTB

[@salkjshaweoiuenvohvr]

Saw this in the background of a recent video! Also good to know about the long term options on the alfine I was about to purchase one for my Brompton. I agree the Bike Friday's are better overall as I have one (used Pocket Rocket although it has no disk brakes) but I use my Brompton more for the commute for work as that folds quickly and compactly. I personally think if Brompton added the disk brakes and something in house that rivaled Shimano and rohloff hubs there would be an overall greater incentive for competition in the industry. Needless to say I'll have to look into sensible upgrades before I travel.

[@patrikwhyucare9550]

I've been using a shimano Inter7 for over 15 years. It never failed. I do hate the fact I have to adjust the gears through the cable every time I take the the wheel off the frame to change tires.

[@bubingamakore3328]

Great video Scooby!! Thank you!!🍁

[@scooby1961]

You are so welcome

[@fender1000100]

Great review Scooby. I have the Tern Verge P10 and its an amazing bike. Well made. Fast and stops on a dime. Tern are a premium brand. If you want quality in folding bikes. And value for money. They are a go to..

[@pep411]

How is it climbing hills. I want to buy p10 for 7 day tour with lots of 2000ft hills.

[@fender1000100]

Fantastic. It has a massive gear range 11 to 40. And you can upgrade the bike to be even lighter like the higher end X11.

[@colinjenkins9568]

Thanks Scooby. How comfortable is this bike when going uphill? I live in San Francisco and would like to bike to work. This bike might be a great size to store inside my apartment.

[@play150]

Have you heard of the low cost Zizzo folding bikes? I ended up with one and it's pretty decent for my 5 km commute! And I some times hop on the subway to meet people for dinner after work elsewhere in town and stuff : )

[@MatyasLemberTutorials]

So nice to see biking videos again :) Have you tried or looked at the Helix bike? Any opinion?

[@scooby1961]

Love their design, always have. Its the bike I have dreamed of for years ... but they still do not have manufacturing under control. No USA distributors and on the factory website they are sold out thru the end of 2023

[@MatyasLemberTutorials]

@@scooby1961 it looks a very cool and practical bike. Hope they will scale up the production soon, because I want one, love titanium bikes, just soooo expensive haha

[@bryanmoyna9715]

Hi Scooby, im buying a Tern Link B7 20“ (one of their cheapest) as a starter bike for work and errands/fun as I've never ridden a foldable bike before. About 70% of the path to work is a dirt and gravel road where people walk and ride bicycles daily so theres lines without gravel and it is an almost car-free road. I used to ride (and fall) a lot here with my mountain bike for fun. Hopefully, in the future I would like to install some bags in the frame for groceries, the uniform and bike stuff. But im wondering, should i upgrade the wheels/tires/tubes? its a 30min~ ride and i weight 77kg~. Anyway, thanks for the review and info on the video.

[@scooby1961]

Dont upgrade tires till they wear out!!

[@bryanmoyna9715]

@@scooby1961 Thank you Scobeeeeh! 💖💗💓

[@HappyDaysDellwig]

where do you recorded this video? looks great! greetings from Essen, Germany

[@scottblume6271]

How about what to look for and suggestions for a helmet?

[@scooby1961]

Any helmet you buy from a bike shop will be tested and rated.

[@woerge]

nice bike and nice watch ;)

[@scooby1961]

Indeed it is!

[@scooby1961]

Thanks!

[@bogdan1207]

If you transport your bike on top of a car, the most annoying part is it gets FULL of squashed bugs :( Also: modern alivios are very good and much better than the alivio of 5-10 years ago. Tech advances are very noticeable for bikes. Disk brakes are superior if you ride in the rain or dirt. Rim brakes can get dirt and sand embedded in the brake pads and eat the rim away faster. They're great on clean, sunny days. This bike you review here doesn't just fold, it really folds and becomes tiny. The thing that didn't feel quite right to me on folding bikes are the shorter wheelbase and slight flexing, which makes it ride differently that a traditional top tube frame. If you also need to carry stuff on your bike, nothing beats a pannier system on a normal bike. But for the application you're describing, the folding bike is the best choice. 👍

[@scooby1961]

.. and its only a matter of time before you forget its up there and go into a parking garage and cause 10k in damage.

[@LaomerKedor]

How many Alfine hubs did you have? I heard the 8 speed and 11 speed are quiet different.

[@scooby1961]

I had the alifine 11, totaly crap

[@d1ckyj0nes]

What made you get a new bike? If anything broke/kept breaking on the other bikes, what specific part?

[@scooby1961]

Broke another steel frame

[@danmartin9086]

I don't think smaller wheels affect rim brake performance other than they reduce opportunity for heat dissipation.

[@scooby1961]

You do not understand physics and leverage then.

[@danmartin9086]

I believe this has been discussed on many bike forums previously, please Google it. I appreciate however it is counter intuitive.

[@wrigleys321]

Ya looking great, damn💪😊

[@scooby1961]

Thanks!

[@ponyboy_]

I miss Palm Springs & Cali 🥺 I grew up in Los Angeles, now live in Phoenix 🥵🌵🏜️

[@JitinMisra]

Is there huge difference in shifting vs deore in your experience ? I have alivio on my fx 3, rear derailleur and acera the rest

[@scooby1961]

Alvio is not as precise and is much harder to adjust properly.

[@MisterSal9895]

Nice it has 451 wheels. Never tried 451 hence I'm planning to make my 406 folding bike into a 451 since I have two 406 folding bikes. My 406 frame is compatible with 451 so I just need the 451 wheelset and a new fork.

[@josephshatrowsky]

I have a cheap zizzo folding bike lol. Its ok for riding around the block but not much else

[@S.Tyrannosaurus]

That's a very excellent bike! I personally need a bike for a daily cardio that's cheaper

[@scooby1961]

A good MTB can be had for 1/2 this price

[@Bucelcpsdr]

No Auf Wiedersehen? 😯

[@scooby1961]

Lol! I said it, must have accidentally edited it out

[@picsbynate]

What do u think of this vs the verge p10?

[@scooby1961]

My favorite verge is the BYB!!! I have it.

[@sunnyj209]

My road bike was 3k….. lol. Thx for the review.

[@scooby1961]

We both think $1150 is cheap for a bike but we are not normal

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

"Need is a sliding scale" is so true. I have been considering this bike for quite some time and have not been able to test ride it, and this is a most welcome review. Thanks! A follow up question, did you ever consider the P10?

[@scooby1961]

Well said!

[@kingcarcas1349]

I'll need a folding bike one day 👍

[@zuliadyazwin]

this same with my bike. I use this model for bikecamping

[@norcalchrismeister]

I'm usually on an aero road bike but I wouldn't mind having this Tern for easy ride days.

[@tsgtr]

Hey Scooby, how's your shoulder?

[@scooby1961]

slightly better than before surgery, I am happy

[@bobbaker8715]

Is 8pm to late to lift weights Scooby?

[@scooby1961]

The best time to workout is when you CAN

[@bobbaker8715]

@@scooby1961 thank you

[@tristanh5028]

For now I actually prefer rim brakes on my folding bike. Between myself and my baggage the weight load is probably 260 lb or so. I can still lock up the brakes and skid the tires pretty easily even when it's raining. Kool Stop brake pads made a huge difference. (Rim brakes are definitely not for snowy bike tours though - cycling and snow demands disc brakes).

[@euplot]

Nobody likes rim breaks!!😂😂😂

[@scooby1961]

whatever works for you, just be careful on hills

[@ponyboy_]

Wow, I love to adventure along with you 🥰

[@goldstandardpersonalgrowth]

It’s hard to go back to regular bikes once you’ve tried e-bikes.

[@scooby1961]

Not my thing. If I wanted help I would get a motorcycle

[@seanconnolly2179]

I have my eye on the lectric xp folding bike

[@euplot]

Alivio is the bottom line from shimano. But hey, if you like the bike, you can upgrade to something better. And the same goes with the breaks and tires. I highly recommend you change the pedals ( you just unscrew them). Also that saddles are not so comfortable.

[@scooby1961]

Its actually not bottom of the line. If you check their website its Di2 xtr saine deoreXT zee slw deore ALIVIO acera altus and tourney. The last three are the bottom of the line.

[@euplot]

@scooby1961 true!

[@nobshistoryengineering4421]

Wonder what the ROI is for the manufacturer for these, probably like 5x.... No way that bike costs more than 100$ to manufacture/ship etc per unit, but hey that's the world.

[@scooby1961]

Wholesale price is probably $600

[@nobshistoryengineering4421]

@@scooby1961 Probably yes, and then 1000-12000 in a store. Bleh....

[@jeanmosquea753]

Great review!

[@bv3bv334]

The beauty of the Brompton is the size it folds down too. However, that is the only beauty.

[@scooby1961]

16" wheels are too small for my use. Those are for ultra-smooth pavement only

[@bv3bv334]

@@scooby1961 Also, the Brompton doesn't ride like a real bike at all. Good for city riding. that is about it. Keep up the excellent work on your channel, Scoobs 👍

[@kenny650]

I bought a Helix titanium bike with alfine hub. Your right, not the greatest product by Shimano. Worst part is that the frame was specifically made to just fit these hubs. 😅

[@scooby1961]

I had the same issue, my bike friday was made for the alifne hub. Fortunately they had replacement dropouts I was able to use for the rohloff

[@akaraikiriakatsuki3157]

there's nothing wrong with Rim brakes even if you are over 200lbs. Just bring spare pads, on the rain yes the disk brakes are a must, it works better in wet conditions being water cooled.

[@scooby1961]

I have over 30 years experience with 20" bike wheels as a 240 pounder using both disk and rim brakes and I can tell you with 100% certainty that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@cybersuperior2077]

California dreaming Like, nature, scenic views, and backgrounds, horizons behind - all eyes right there, doesn't matter what is all about on video ! :-)) PS. Especially bikes over 800$...-> the chop...

[@scooby1961]

kinda true, Except this is Oregon dreaming :)

[@cybersuperior2077]

@@scooby1961 )) kinda all right then - still must be THE NOTICE then though! :)

[@JitinMisra]

What do you think about SRAM and micro shift? I think microshift is crap

[@ryanvanscoder7045]

Waves look great! Was anyone surfing??

[@scooby1961]

no!

[@NordKristal1kristal]

Perfect👍🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️

[@daytriker]

You didn't mention which model Shimano Internal Gear Hub you bought & they had some models with initial problems. Any warranty work should go through your Dealer since trying to get through the Shimano corporate empire is near impossible. Many manufacturers include the Nexus 8 speed with their E Assist bikes for their durability. Early Alfine 11 hubs had problems with leaking seals & internal failures but these problems seem to have been rectified by Shimano & they are now producing Internal Hubs with automatic shifting as well as E Bike specific hubs so you are not providing buyers with accurate information to claim they are all trash based on your one bad experience.

[@scooby1961]

I did go thru my local authorized shimano dealer at a high end bike shop. It was the Alfine-11 hub. Piece of trash unless you are a grandma and pedal delicately with your pinky toes extended.

[@daytriker]

That has not been mine or the several Alfine/Nexus hubs to owners I have installed. Mine and several are running through 500 watt Mid Drives on a fairly heavy recumbent trike. In my own experience after 7 or 8 years, last Summer in a heat wave pulling a trailer up very long & steep hills without any oil, I started experiencing some bad shifting. Sent it in for repairs & it needed a $20. part & an oil change from the ATF I had been using. Maybe you had bad luck but Tern still sells the Nexus 7 speed on some of the bikes. ICE still uses the Alfine 8 speed in their automatic shifting set up & they are a very expensive trike.

[@Sc0rpic0m]

looool! "Normal wear and tear"- didn't expect that from Shimano. Same crap as "it's normal for engines to burn 1 quart of oil for 3000 miles." balderdash.

[@jacquesandrade814]

Put LEGENDS in English on your videos, please! 😉

[@randygravel2057]

Co-Motion and bike Friday 🫡

[@pauliuspuleikis8958]

Doesn't sound so expensive, when you compare it to an iPhone...

[@scooby1961]

Lol! Kinda true. A lot more fun and excercise for the dollar!

[@akshanbollywood4134]

What did you take for those juice gains? Don't keep us in the dark :(

[@adamcraig3236]

I ever see your bike parked up, I will replace the fork with a lefty. No reason.

[@scooby1961]

LOL

[@dallysinghson5569]

I have me a Brompton, folds up real small, nippy on acceleration and i can drive long journies and do the last 5-10 miles on a Brom no issue. Terrific thief magnet though...

[@dallysinghson5569]

The Brommie i no longer use for work commute because the 30 mile round trip was torture due to the hills weighing 110kg on 6 speed... A wider geared bike with slicks made the journies more livable.

[@geoff9614]

I don’t own a car lol

[@arongeber1056]

First!

[@waterbottle4782]

I am not first but I do like Tern bikes.

[@auralplex]

You should really try the ebikes out there. I have a Torque 1 (I don't think they sell them anymore), but I can go 50-60 miles on a single charge. It's a torque sensor, so it doesn't give you a push unless you pedal, and the push increases with how hard you pedal. It has allowed me to go much further, and up inclines without killing myself. I will never go back to a regular bike again. Btw if you go for an ebike, skip the cadence sensor ones, and just get a torque. They are much less common, but much better.

[@Ve-suvius]

E-bikes are not doing much for cardio. It's like a scooter. Hidden as a bicycle. But I do see your point on heavy inclines/ mountainous terrain.

[@auralplex]

@@Ve-suviusUmm you haven’t tried an e-bike.

[@Ve-suvius]

@@auralplex Funfact. My mother, 77 years old, has one. I'll leave it at that. But yeah, I tried it once. There's no effort in using that thing. It's like motorized transport.

[@Ve-suvius]

@@auralplex Also I expected you to come like that. My mother's friend used to ride an E-Bike as well. And he also thought you have to make an effort , that it's not that easy as I said. Then one day he went on my mother's normal bicycle. He thought the wheel was not going smooth something was working like a brake(sorry , my English is not my native language.) They went to the bike shop. All was fine. He was just used to the easiness of the E-Bike. And a normal bike was like strength training to him.

[@auralplex]

@@Ve-suviuso more research. A cadence sensor e-bike is not like a torque sensor e-bike. On a torque sensor, you can choose the level of assistance it gives you. The assistance is only applied the harder you pedal. You are comparing your mothers cadence sensor e-bike to my torque sensor e-bike, which are totally different. I would never buy a cadence sensor for the reason you mentioned. I can choose the assistance level and it reacts to my effort. I can assure you that I get a great workout. I am sweating, breathing heavily, and my heart rate is above 115 and I take a beta blocker. The only difference is someone on a regular bike can go 12 mph at a given effort, while I can go 18 mph at the same effort. Please do more research, but what you’re saying is a little like saying that flying a jet is not really flying because you don’t have a propeller, when in fact it’s still flying, except you go way further, way faster.

[@schlomoshekelstein908]

i thought you died scooby, everybody said you did. is this video a hologram or is it real?

[@scooby1961]

I assure you I am fine

[@sofartsogood3932]

In germany we have a „Klappradrennen“ in the region I live. You should come and take part in it 😁 Kalmit Klapprad Cup