Understanding WIRELESS - What are BANDS, GROUPS, and CHANNELS?

In today's video, we are understanding our wireless music gear better by going over what are bands, groups, and channels. They can be a little confusing at first, and I actually used groups completely wrong when I first started using wireless. This video is so you do not make the same mistakes I did, and will give you a better knowledge on how to use your wireless gear.
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0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Understanding Wireless
3:05 - Frequency Bands
5:00 - Wireless Channels
6:13 - Wireless Groups
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14:50 - Giveaway
16:17 - Outro
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[@HuttyTheKid]

“Look at this graph” got me

[@ScottUhlMusic]

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[@peadookie]

@@ScottUhlMusicdude, same hear. My wife was in the bedroom and heard me just start showing. Amazing work, my friend hahahaha

[@ChaosDP]

Great tip on using the group with the most frequencies. I was not aware of that.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

🤘 thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it 🤘

[@KTHKUHNKK]

You described it like a pro

[@ScottUhlMusic]

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[@KTHKUHNKK]

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[@ViktorNova]

Brilliant, thank you!

[@FrancoPuetz]

Thank you for this explanation - super helpful!!

[@TheDoodostudio]

Thanks, Scott !

[@ricardoruelas2324]

Thank you for your help.

[@janan2543]

Good job. Thank you.

[@johnfotu8382]

now i know why my mic dropped sometimes its because i didnt change the group only the channels thank you

[@michaelagbay4212]

Great video. Thanks Scott! 👍

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks!

[@SSSColorado]

Dude... Super good comprehensive explanation. Well done.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks Skinny! 🤘

[@jesseflores6904]

never seen a more comprehensive video tutorial about anything on the internet ever in my life lol #deadass thats what the kids say right? oh god i'm a dad

[@ScottUhlMusic]

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[@thomasshelton7963]

Thank you for your quick response. I am watching the Video know.

[@FabianoChagas]

Awesome explanation. Thanks for sharing

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks for watching!

[@FabianoChagas]

@@ScottUhlMusic Dude! Your videos are simply awesome. You always give us tons of tips. Thanks again for sharing! #peace

[@BillCodyColorado]

Nicely done Scott!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks Bill!

[@Gmail4ChromeSettings]

perfect. this really helped me understand my new shure mic. Thank you.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad it helped!

[@benkitay9015]

Very helpful. Thank you

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks!

[@chucksaeger7500]

Fantastic! I think I’m getting it all together thanks to you. I’ll be in the trial and error phase before you know it. Thanks Scott!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad to help!

[@davidg9927]

Always a wealth of knowledge

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks David!

[@EnglishMadeForYou]

Great stuff! Cheers!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@seglord1960]

You're simply a fantastic teacher, I understand everything now 😊

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thank you! 😃

[@seglord1960]

@ScottUhlMusic The truth is that Scott, we've been having a lot of interference issues in our church sound system, and I've called several people to check it and bring about a solution. Now I see that I have to put the mics all in a single group and appoint channels to each one.

[@jjjohnson7578]

This is so helpful. I'm setting up a broadcast system for a local government meeting. This helps.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad to help!

[@1pilotsteve]

Very good video Sir..

[@anthonyroy7004]

Thank you, I think that was my problem with our new Shure system. I appreciate it.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad I could help!

[@steveturner6806]

Thank You. So much

[@sagamanic3083]

Thank you so much for this tutorial, I was breaking my head on my slxd system❤❤❤

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad it helped!

[@ShineAsOne]

Easy peezy. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Very helpful! I subcribed too!😇👍

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks!

[@dannyvegat]

This video was so helpful. Thank you so much! I’m new to all this tech haha

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad it was helpful!

[@marioedwinperalta6078]

Thank you 😊

[@JacoBrownolymetal666]

Thank you sir! Not all hero’s wear capes!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Haha glad to help!

[@samd5005]

Very good tutorial Scott, I was in the mistake of thinking, that putting each body pack in different banks, would be the best for been isolated from one to other, but I was wrong ,, thank for all you help

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Yup, I did that forever when I first started using wireless!

[@SuperLevelone]

Thanks!

[@ThatBradGuyTV]

Thank you for this video man it helped my organize my set up and better understand what I was buying

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad to help!

[@ThatBradGuyTV]

@@ScottUhlMusic sorry Scott one question Ive got 2x Sennheiser G4 EW100s mounted in my rack unit. I was wondering if you knew what the base plate was for and should I be using it lol?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

You can. It just makes them more sturdy when they are connected.

[@ThatBradGuyTV]

@@ScottUhlMusic Hi Scott quick question. Can I use just the one antenna if needed for my sennheiser reciever or does it require both?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

You should use both 👍

[@danielegray666]

Hi Scott. I've been using the Alesis guitar link wireless with my bass rig for about 4-5 years now. It's been absolutely bullet proof in small and mid size venues in despite being in 2.4ghz. No low end signal loss at all, which something I've seen other bassist complain about with cheap systems.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Awesome! Yeah man, that’s how I was with my Shure PGX (old one, not the new one). I used it for 5 years with no problems and I paid $200 for it used. If you find one of those, it’s absolutely worth it 🤘

[@marioedwinperalta6078]

Thank you

[@angryman3054]

Thank you. I’m a mobile DJ and I was looking for a solid go to mic. Appreciate your videos.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad to help!

[@dooshmasta]

DJ here too. This is a great mic if you’re doing wedding ceremonies and lots of outdoor events, but if you’re mainly doing parties and clubs, you can buy 4 of the Phenyx Pro PTU-1U for the same price, and it will work great. In my opinion, I rather have the redundancy and ability to provide more mics that are still very reliable than to have one over qualified mic; but it’s all depending on the application. Scott’s got a great video on the PTU-1U and 2U, you should consider them before making a purchase.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks man! Yeah the PTU is an amazing system for sure! Highly recommended: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH3ToGisps2Ka8U

[@tomcook302]

Thanx!

[@36ixtyvisualsinc39]

Sir this information was so helpful. Since I mainly deal with the video side of production audio is typical not my thing. However I bought 4 Phenyx Pro True Diversity Wireless Microphone System PTU-1U units, which I could not get to work probably (lot of drop outs or no signal connection when I'm more than 10 feet away). I'm so tempted to send them back, however I try to test them again with this information that you provide. Hopefully I get them working.

[@raggaroaringsound]

Thanks for all your help. If setting different units in my rack, should I choose a different groups? I use all the same group for my two senheisser G4s. I have a 2.4 ghz dmx transmitter, and a UHF alto stealth transmitter in my rack.

[@druienmartin8043]

Oooooof, that hurts. Haha Congratulations Jens and Thanks Scott for everything you do on this channel :)

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Hahaha well I haven’t gotten a response yet! So hopefully soon 😅

[@druienmartin8043]

@@ScottUhlMusic Awh man, I hope he see's it! That'd be brutal to miss out on 😂 If he doesn't though, I will happily give it a good home haha

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Well... it's been 2 weeks and I've messaged them 3 times now. That wireless is yours if you want it! Reach out to me by my website (link in the description) :)

[@druienmartin8043]

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[@darrylday30]

Very helpful

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks!

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Nice video!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks!

[@DJjayenvy]

Dude i learned so much and it made me laugh a few times too . Great job! I'm a DJ and for some weddings, there is usually a band too that plays as well with all their wireless mics and who knows what else. I assume that I would just let them set up, sound check, and then I myself will do a quick scan since the only wireless thing Im using is just my mic?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Yup, that’s a good way to do it!

[@christophercameron4615]

Thanks for posting this. I was asked to help sort out wireless issues at the local theater. They get a lot of static during the performances far too frequently. I have very little experience with wireless systems so this helped a lot. Will now go examine how they have their channels set up. Is there a general rule for how far the receiver should be from the transmitters? they have up to 8 mics going at a time. Sound will be clean during a mic check and then crackle on one or more mics during performance. The Receiver is placed up in the balcony near the sound booth. Probably about 100 feet away or a little more. Using a Creative Audio Technology system.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Distance depends on the range of the wireless system. If the problem is distance, using an antenna combiner will help with a directional antenna. I did that passively in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGTKdYqAmJ6jnqM but with 8 you’ll need an active antenna combiner. I would also watch my video on 5 common mistakes on using wireless. They likely have “antenna farms” going on is my guess: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpjaammojpmHd8U

[@christophercameron4615]

Thank you so much for your reply. Will watch your videos for sure. I reached out to the Creative Audio and they just got back to me as well suggesting directional Antennas and the combiner. Ironically the guy that was helping them at the theater took the directional antennas off and put the omnis on. I'm pretty sure they do not have a combiner but I'm just trying to learn about this stuff so I can get their issues sorted out. Will be heading there later today and rolling up my sleeves to see what I can do. Thanks again.

[@dooshmasta]

Just to give a little perspective on the separation width between frequencies, if you think of the FM band, the channels are spaced out by 0.2MHz with each channel falling on an odd number on the tenth place. Since the 500MHz band works at a rate 5 times of the FM radio band, the equivalent would be 1/5 of 0.2MHz or 0.04MHz. Of course in application you’re liable to get interference if you’re within 0.075MHz of a frequency, and it’s best to stay at least 0.2MHz away between frequencies.

[@dooshmasta]

Lol maybe I got this backwards, it could be that the analogous is 5x of 0.2MHz which would space each channel out by 1MHz, which would definitely be a safe distance to transmit in.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Interesting, that’s a great comment and analysis. Thanks! And good to know

[@Santaheckler]

Great videos Scott! Just wondering how to choose a band/range such as Sennheiser A Range (548-572MHz) vs Shure H11 (572-596Mhz). Is a higher number MHz relate to being used less commonly or something entirely different? 🤷‍♂️

[@ScottUhlMusic]

It depends on your region really. But ultimately it’s not a huge deal. Within 470-600mhz is usually good for USA

[@JDavilaDavilaDVP_Productions]

Awesome video! Very informative! I have a question. I have an older wireless microphone system that the frequency is no longer available for us to use. Should I just trash it? What should one do at this point? It still works great.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Yeah you aren’t “allowed” to use it technically. But I mean, that’s up to you. I don’t know how they would track that haha

[@dooshmasta]

657-663 MHz are technically unlicensed, but you’re still in violation if you use devices that are capable of transmitting outside these frequencies. That being said, I don’t know how they are checking for this and what the punishment is. You definitely want to stay off the 700s because those are public safety frequencies in the US, and you’re more likely to get busted (not to mention getting interference). Best thing you can probably do is sell them on eBay. People collect them for cheap and export them to a secondary market other countries.

[@eddents]

Excellent video. Thank-you! Shure and Sennheiser should hire you to make their videos! My wife's office have two Sennheiser EK 100G3 and SK 100 G3's. They now seem a lot less complex after watching your video! With two presenters at an event, we used a splitter cable to bring the two receiver's signal into a single input on a JBL BT speaker (it worked in a pinch). Looking to get a "real" PA speaker with multiple proper mic / line inputs. Is it me, or do the Sennheiser 100 G3 gobble up AA batteries for other users?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks! I appreciate that, and glad to help! And I always use rechargeable batteries for that reason, and remember to charge them after every show. They survive a good amount of time, but I definitely use rechargeable personally 👍

[@ahmedalnajjarofficial]

Thank you for this video it really helped me to understand the idea!, although I've never faced any issue with my wireless system, I own shure glxd14 could you tell me please what do you think in it? Thanks again..

[@ScottUhlMusic]

The GLX is a good system, but it’s way too expensive for being on 2.4ghz. If you have had it work for you, that’s the important part! But I would watch this video to understand 2.4 as well as my thoughts on the GLXD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHTVd36Bp52Ki6M

[@kantosina9962]

Hey Scott, great video! My band has 2 Sennheiser XSW IEMS A-Band and looking to add 2 more. Should we stick with the same Band (476-500MHz) or get their Band B variant (572-596MHz)? Im guessing the pros/cons would be less chance for interference but with everyones body-pack is limited to their band?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

With 4 wireless, it’s not a huge deal to be honest either way. Probably do a different band would be my guess, but again, it’s not a huge deal tbh 🤘

[@thomasshelton7963]

Great Topic. Your discussion was very helpful. My church is using the Shure BLX4R system. The lavalier mics work on band H10 and the handhelds mics operate on band H9. Based on your discussion I believe that I do not have to be concerned if the lavalier mics are operating in groun A and the handheld mics are operating in group A because group A in the H9 and H10 bands operate in different frequency ranges with significant distance between the frequencies. Is this correct?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Yup, you most likely will be fine. Just make sure the antennas are not all just stacked on top of each other in a rack. That’s a good way to get interference. But frequency wise you should be good 👍 If you need to combine/distribute the antennas, I did a video about that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIeUhH2wga2qhqs

[@Jude107c]

This cleared up a whole lot of crap for me! Thank you! 🙏🏾

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Glad it helped!

[@jasonquarles1258]

Hey Scott was wondering your thoughts on the line 6 g10s wireless guitar system

[@ScottUhlMusic]

It’s definitely too expensive for being on 2.4ghz and it requires power. I don’t recommend it. I use a ton of Line 6 stuff, but that one was a miss from them. If you want to get a cheap one I would try here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoTUlZdjYpVpnrM

[@tiffanyelyse]

I’m finding your videos super helpful! So to make sure I’m understanding, are groups universal across a particular brand’s range? So if I get two sennheiser H55 systems, then group 1 is the same set of channel frequencies? But if I use a shure system for one thing and sennheiser for another I just need to make sure I’m using quite separated channels between the two, right (like get systems of two totally different ranges)?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

They groups are per band per brand as well. So if you mix and match Shure and sennheiser, I do not believe they would have the same channels in group 1. Although you could always look at the channels and compare them 👍

[@tiffanyelyse]

@@ScottUhlMusic Thank you!

[@bsmntbrs777BPH]

Hi and thank you in advance. I'm new to wireless. I'm in the process of exploring IEM's for everyone. Do all transmitters need to be of the same band? Is that recommended or can I buy transmitter/receiver set Band A and another set Band B? (Sennheiser XSW IEM) to be exact. All will be running into the Behringer X32 rack.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Your transmitter and receiver need to be in the same band per unit. So your transmitter needs to be in A band if you receiver is in A band. However, if you have multiple wireless, you can mix and match bands. However, in that case, groups won’t matter with different Bands. Group 1 in A band will be different than Group 1 in B band

[@ianprice7776]

How would setup 4 wireless microphones for a panel discussion? Would I need four separate units or is there an all in one device?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Shure ULXD has a 4 in one unit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYjSpZdsprOhaposi=TguJchgZviOvb5mo Slxd has a dual unit and you could get 2 of those: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWnVdYCndqaYZ6Msi=k-oUxYI5t39xDh-Q Those are high end wireless if your budget affords it. If you need to save money and understand how cheaper wireless works, you can get this one which is quite good for the price: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWPRgpuMhc2Krbcsi=_5j74tPIZ-86ekFc

[@Eddi_Music]

Hi Scott, I have an anleon S3 which as you know doesn't have a scan option. So you have any advice for this?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

The cheap stuff often doesn’t have scanning features. I recommend getting one that does scan. Otherwise, just test it at soundcheck and then if you are getting interference, try another channel

[@walteryhouse5880]

Hey, between the ew500 g4 and the slxd , which one is better? Not talking about digital vs analog but sound clarity in dynamic capsules and distance

[@ScottUhlMusic]

The analog v digital is actually an important part of it actually, and why I prefer the SLXD personally. Both are fantastic systems, but I’ve gone with the slxd personally

[@timothy.barton]

If you’re on tour and setting up at different venues, should you rescan every time? Or can you “set and forget” the frequencies?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Absolutely! I would, and I scan at basically every show

[@stevendirks6239]

We're using an older Shure wireless system with 2 handheld Shure mics and 2 wireless cheek nice from a company in Florida. After about 7-10 years one of our shell mics started encounter a lot of static and cutting in and out. We've had the mic, belt pack and receiver checked but none can detect a problem so my sound partners and I were thinking of doing the group and channel scan. Just out of curiosity do mics, belt packs or receivers have a shelf life for when they should be replaced? Thanks your video was full of good info.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

If you have not tried to scan, you absolutely should 👍

[@stevendirks6239]

Originally the sound tech that set up our system did the group and channel scans but now when we look at them one is on Group #1 channel #2 and the other is on Group #2 channel #3 so we're going to check on that. That's the cheek mics. We may week have to redo all 4 mics.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Do not be intimidated by scanning. It is very simple, and is important if you use wireless gear 👍

[@stevendirks6239]

Fortunately there are a couple of us to bounce around ideas and work together. I was also told something interesting by the shops who checked on our equipment. They said the cell phones and their networks can affect wireless systems. Do you know anything about that?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

@@stevendirks6239 It can for sure, but a scan should avoid those channels.

[@shongthoj]

If you wanted to use 3 wireless devices would it be better have them all in the same band (G58 for example) or have all 3 using different bands (G58, H55, J52)?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Same band

[@MsSarahRush]

Question - I’ve just bought the SLX-24 with the frequency range of 606MHz - 650MHz. I’m in the UK and I’ve read that this frequency band is now illegal! I’m a little bit clueless with this. I think it’s the J52 model. Am I correct in thinking this? Also, if it’s ok, do I need a license for this microphone?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Yeah you are not technically allowed to use that frequency anymore unfortunately. You’ll have to get another one. A lot of people sell them used for that reason

[@PhilipArellano-eo4on]

Hello! New subscriber here. I'm a singer/musician, and in the last three years, I've also become a sound guy. I want to get a wireless system, currently looking at the Senn. EW D. Question. When your device scans the groups to see how many channels are available, wouldn't it only pick up *current* interference? For example, our school has a Shure BLX, and if I were using my equipment (say that I got the senn. EW,) the scan wouldn't catch the BLX's frequency unless the BLX transmitter was turned on and transmitting signal, right? I suppose I can just check BLX's channel and avoid that frequency. This is all new to me, but I'm concerned about devices that transmit wireless signals but are not turned on and transmit at the time of scanning but begin transmitting when an audience shows up. I don't know if that makes sense or if it's not something that really becomes a problem. I thought I'd ask.

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Thanks for the sub! Correct, there is no way for a wireless scan to be able to determine if someone else will turn on a channel sometime in the future. Just the current environment, and that’s why frequency coordination is important for higher end events

[@roggss7566]

Hi, still confuse about how many transmitters you point to your Shure SLXD24 for example. I see that ou configured your Shure SLXD24 with 3 wireless channels. Does it mean that I can add/use 3 microphones on that receiver (Shure SLXD24)?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

You can use 1 wireless transmitter and 1 wireless receiver at once. You can of course have 3 wireless mics set to the same frequency, and turn off the others when you are not using them and switch between the 3 mics, but you cannot have them on at the same time

[@roggss7566]

@@ScottUhlMusic got it. so in your example you setup 3 wireless configuration on your Shure SLXD24, at 14:44. You mean you cannot turn on those 3 systems all together right? its just there for fast switching?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

@@roggss7566 those are different frequencies. One transmitter and one receiver each should be set to those frequencies. So 3 transmitter and 3 receivers total

[@roggss7566]

Ah so you have 3 SLXD24? Sorry for being dumb on this thing. Just wanted to make sure before buying things. I wanted to have 4 wireless setup that will run all at once.

[@lukemills5179]

Hi Scott. I'm looking for wireless equipment for my church and I'm thinking about getting 4 sets of Anleon S3 IEMs (With four Transmitters so that each bodypack has an individual mix), and the Phenyx Pro PTU-7000-2H2B alongside another Phenyx Pro PTU-71B. So I will be using 6 Phenyx Pro wireless systems (4 transmitting into 1 receiver while the other 2 are transmitting into the other), and 4 Anleon IEMs into four separate transmitters. Here is the frequency range for each system. Phenyx Pro PTU-7000/71B - 520-603 MHz Anleon S3 - 518-554MHz Is this doable or will I likely be getting interference? If it is doable, do you have any tips that was not mentioned in the video? I was also considering the PTM-10 IEM system rather than the anleon since they use 900MHz. What do you think?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

I do think you will be using too much budget friendly wireless. That’s the number one issue I see people doing with wireless (myself included when I got obsessed with wireless). I go over that in this video: Choosing the Right WIRELESS SYSTEM - A Comprehensive Guide kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpqVe5aDpNKdh5I I do prefer the PTM 10 IEM system (like I mention in that video) and using this trick you can get just 2 of them with 4 body packs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2ino6Cgo5upqbMsi=D3VFIVXvPpuCerrT Hope that helps 👍

[@lukemills5179]

@@ScottUhlMusic Thank you so much! I assumed that because of how wide the MHz tuning bandwidth is for the PTU-7000 with 83MHz (520-603MHZ) and the PTM with 20MHz (905-925 MHz) and also that they are on totally different frequencies, wouldn't that mean that there would be no way that those two system can interfere with one another? You said in the video that you linked in this comment that you recommend using up to 4-6 budget-friendly wireless systems, but in my situation, I'd be using 6 systems from the 520-603MHz range while I am using 4 wireless IEMs in the 900-925MHZ range. Therefore I have the suggested amount of wireless systems on each bandwidth. Am I making sense or does it not work like that?

[@ScottUhlMusic]

That’s still a total of 10 budget friendly wireless. It CAN work, wireless isn’t an exact science. But you can also run into problems with that much budget wireless. Spacing them out on the stage can help, and using an antenna distro system and/or combiner can also help. To me, that’s too much budget friendly wireless. But it might work for you

[@lukemills5179]

@@ScottUhlMusic Gotchu thank you! So pretty much what you're saying is that it's risky and I'll most likely run into some problems but it could potentially work?

[@MrROMMEO]

Shat happened if i use wrong band in my country? G58 vs G59 specifically

[@ScottUhlMusic]

You technically are not allowed to use those frequencies in your country.

[@marioedwinperalta6078]

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[@alanizalaniz1967]

How to do i stop my wireless from slighty distorted

[@ScottUhlMusic]

That's not groups/channels/etc. Likely you need to make sure your gain is not set too high. Check mic/line level and make sure you aren't sending LINE level into something expecting MIC level

[@TChou-zn4yd]

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[@ScottUhlMusic]

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[@MoromoMusic]

look at this graph lol

[@ScottUhlMusic]

Haha I had to!

[@HaharuRecords]

What if a scammer got selected for giveaway winner😅..!

[@ScottUhlMusic]

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