Scream 2 (1997) | THE CHERRY PICKER Episode 20

[@WB-H]

01:10:17 I have never seen this moment being flirtatious. I always saw it as Dewey subverting Gale’s assumption of his “aloof” presence that she portrayed in her book. So when he snaps back at her with the “nice streaks.” he is showing her that he has the ability to be just as catty as she is. Also, he had that snarky expression….

[@arinbrewington5455]

No way is the "nice streaks" moment flirtatious! Dewey is absolutely taking a stab at her in that moment, especially considering his facial expression.

[@thecherrypicker]

He goes from looking at her wistfully to then sneering, so that could be interpreted either way

[@Dude-oh8vq]

@@thecherrypicker I always interpreted it as him flirting. He still hasn't gotten rid of his angry face which is only half angry anyway, but he's paying her a half hearted compliment because he's still in love with her. As for Laurie Metcalf as Debbie/Mrs. Loomis, she's always been one of my favorite killers in this series. Far better than any of the killers after Scream 2.

[@borderlandwerun]

I think it's both. In high school, people sometimes insult people they're attracted to as an attempt to defuse the attraction.

[@MrStuDubb]

I always thought it was a flirt.

[@thebrideofghostface]

I think it's a bit of both. Like I think he wants to compliment her but he's also doing so in such a way to be like yeah, I've been nothing but kind to you, I compliment you and like you, but here you are being a jerk to me kind of sarcasm.

[@andrewhoekstra8685]

I've always loved Scream 2! It always flip flops with the original for my favorite in the series. Other small details in it that I appreciate are that Mickey has a clear love with sequels in a lot of scenes, alluding to his motive. Also that Tori Spelling ended up playing Sidney in Stab, when Sidney says in Scream that "with her luck they'd cast Tori Spelling" with who would play her. And I live near the college campus used for Windsor College! I've visited a few times and it's crazy how it still looks the same 25 years later. Funny enough, it's an all girls catholic college but was not asked to leave while wandering around in a Scream shirt taking selfies.

[@HorrorByJordy]

Thank you Zack for bringing up the line Joel delivers towards the end about “getting the scoop like the old days”. It always bothered me!

[@DivaD-nk2bj]

One of things I like about the opening is how it feels Wes Craven is responding to his critics about the impact of violence in cinema; i.e., that audiences are clearly able to distinguish between real and screen violence, and that while they might gleefully participate in the latter, their reaction to a real-life violence is grief, horror and a powerful desire to stop it happening.

[@WB-H]

I completely agree that Mickey was one of the best killers because of that little mind game he plays w Sidney regarding Derek’s innocence/involvement. It was chilling to watch how much fun he had by making her doubt herself.

[@hippinoire]

Definitely, especially because it was way more of a mind game than Billy who mostly did a lot of gaslighting that he wasn't the killer which Mickey doesn't do at all

[@Cookie12670]

I saw Scream 2 first show opening day with 7 or 8 friends and we had a blast. No one in the theater wore anything having to do with Ghostface. One thing I remember was refusing to go to the bathroom until the movie was over and 3 or 4 of us went together.I’m so grateful Scream is hot once again. It’s my favorite horror franchise and I never get tired of hearing discussions about it and how it affects people differently.

[@VCRrepairman]

I was 11 years old…I sister was 23 and she convinced my Madre to watch a little movie called “Scream”. Cut to my 12 year old birthday party at Pizza Hut. Post Za 🍕 was a movie for my basketball team. Everyone (except Tyrus Amour - he went to see “Waterboy” for the 3rd time) flooded the cinema to see Scream 2. Great times My birthday is 12/13…I was born on a Friday (1985) - I am horror.

[@Antdapuzzo]

YES. This made my day so much better. So pumped to listen while I work. I love Scream 2 almost as much as the original & it is my favorite sequel of ALL TIME.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

It's good, but against Empire Strikes Back, Last Crusade, Dark Knight, Endgame, Return of the King and Aliens?

[@Antdapuzzo]

@@coolnerdlll6053 correct! For me personally, I enjoy Scream 2 the most . Those are all great as well.

[@coolnerdlll6053]

@Michael 92 Because those are some of the best sequels of all time and I don't think Scream 2 is better than any of those. By the way, Aliens is horror.

[@silentsaturn7604]

@Michael 92 Right, because cash-grabbing carbon copy sequels reboots, remakes, requels, endless franchises etc. are unheard of in the horror genre. Get outta here. 🙄

[@HarveyAndson]

I always thought another clue was Gale saying “I thought I recognised you”. And it’s written off as ‘Debbie’ being at one of Gales seminars in Chicago. But i always believed that Gale subconsciously recognised her from the “pictures” of Mrs Loomis that she said she’d studied. With her plastic surgery, she would look different enough for Gale to write it off as she truly doesn’t give a shit who she is

[@silentsaturn7604]

I never thought she recognised her at all, just being sarcastic.

[@HarveyAndson]

@@silentsaturn7604 or that. It is Gale after all :)

[@Joker_JAK]

This is definitely what I think. Loomis told Gale she was at one of her seminars just in case she recognized her and Gale probably DID recognize her, she just didn't know from where.

[@HarveyAndson]

@@Joker_JAK absolutely

[@MarioSap]

Honest to God, thats the one thing i really like/love about your Podcast and Videos.. you dont hate! even when a movie sucks in your Opinion you still try to find the good things and point them out, thats rare these days.

[@jeanninedabean]

Justice for Joshua Jackson who got the Aliens quote right lol

[@rebeccaunboundmallard]

I don't think I've ever disagreed with Cherry so vehemently before 😂 Dewey was definitely dissing the streaks. Although, why no one dissed her hair in Scream 3 is still a mystery.

[@brandonleerichey9301]

I saw this movie opening weekend. It was freaky being in a theater while the opening scene is killing in a theater. I was looking around. But I remember when Randy died the audience all were pissed and ending when Mickey popped back up and they shoot him everyone jumped then all started clapping. It was a awesome experience

[@cipaternet]

Dewey is 100% insulting Gale's hair streaks! Not even a question!

[@pictureperfect3211]

I do not care what you anybody has to say. I will 100 Percent ALWAYS watch this film over the original. It levels up the material is such a strong way, setting the bar the highest the series has ever tried to meet since. The look of the film, the setting, the cast, the body count, and the subversive ending of the film not being a party that everyone gets killed it. The killers and motives were also the most realistic. A mother seeking revenge for the (justified) death of her son, and her hired hand, a self professed serial killer who wanted to get caught (the only killer in the series wanting to be caught). Epic death scenes, 3 people killed in public, the most racially diverse until 5, unique in its setting not taking place in Woodsboro, and a much better Whodunnit than the original. So many reactors never figure out who the killers are. There’s also the commentary of Hollywoods fetish for profiting off of real crimes. I would add that there is tension built in multiple areas in the film, in several points the “Bomb Under the Table” motif is used, with Both Maureen and CiCi. Lastly, one word… “STAB”. This is the only sequel that contributed the most to the lore.

[@braydenplaysyt]

This movie both begins, and ends in a theater. Different types of theater, but still.

[@arkHAMbone]

Dewey was absolutely taking a STAB at Gale's hair

[@whitneytrevon]

From what I remember, in the original script Joshua Jackson was supposed to get the Aliens line wrong and Jamie Kennedy was supposed to correct him. But Joshua Jackson actually got his line wrong, so Jamie ribbed Joshua by correcting him in character as Randy. Wes Craven thought that take was more interesting and kept that one.

[@strifenineteen]

It could also be the correct line in this universe

[@Bluebox87]

Scream 2 is by far the best sequel. To me it's the only one that comes close to the original.

[@aidantheman7]

Eddie’s synopsis’ are awesome!! Really enjoying the content you guys. Keep it up

[@stepitup25]

How did I miss you guys posting this?? Been waiting for this one, it’s my favorite Scream (I think)!

[@DarkJediJoker]

Ik I'm watching this late as fuck but in regards to an interactive theater, when Star Wars TFA came out in 2015,(I went on opening night) there was a guy in the front few rows with a computer and huge speakers playing RotJ for everyone and it really helped set the atmosphere. People cheered together when the Falcon came on screen and when Han and Chewie showed up. We all screamed together when Han died and gave a roaring applause when Luke was shown at the end. I feel like it always enhances the experience and I would have LOVED to have been in a theater similar to this (as Zack said, maybe sans the murder lol) love the pod guys keep it up.

[@hippinoire]

completely agree with that review! you guys are great

[@67maxfield]

Dewey is absolutely stoically complimenting her lol, in spite of his hurt. And her playfully charmed/flustered response is meant to convey she’s ‘thrown off’ by his adorable, Dewey-specific suave. It’s a very easy scene to read. Zack, what’s up with your friend man? He’s got the most bizarre takes ever.

[@HarveyAndson]

Absolute favourite film and favourite horror AND it came out December 12. My birthday!! (Though 2002)

[@meghan92385]

It takes kind of a sad approach when you realize that earlier in the movie when she's talking to Dewey she flat out says " what am I supposed to do, cut everyone off and crawl under a rock?" And she literally has to do that in 3. Like after everything in this one, she knows that she can never get away from it and the only way she'll be safe is to pretty much disappear. Which is such a depressing life to have to live.

[@grubby8144]

I'm completely with you on 2 being the best out of all the sequels. It maintained enough originality while keeping the things that made Scream great close to the chest.

[@hankwheels]

Another great podcast! I look forward to these every week, they are so fun to watch. The story about how you got turned away at the Scream 2 theater made me sad but when I heard you had to settle for Spice World I was literally crying 😂😂

[@doshi066]

so i remember as a kid going to the theatre with my friends to go see scream 2 and they were actually doing a back to back watch part for the first movie and then the 2nd and was actually handing out ghostface costumes!

[@sar.campbell]

Zack said "I know a bitch when I see one" and I felt that.

[@mikemullen472]

I love your guys chemistry. ❤

[@LukeDodge916]

I saw the first 3 films in the theater and I'm really happy I still have my stubs. Gives me this small little connection to that moment in time. Scream 2 is a strong sequel but to be fair nothing could touch the original. Nothing Wes and co. could have done would have gotten close. But it's a wonderful film in it's own right... Mickey is a great Ghostface as is Mrs Loomis.

[@Jokerrules666]

I'm from Kingston ont.i did get to opening night the day after i watched the first one on First Choice the movie network (if you remember that ) i was amazing watching them almost back to back. Ps love the Chanel keep it up

[@bobbykotick2642]

I like Scream 2 equally as Scream 1. This one is extremely charming, can't quite explain why though, might be the bright colors.

[@mexicool187]

David Arquette was my favorite WCW world heavyweight champion.

[@mikemullen472]

I think the part randy gets the answer wrong is a metaphor / foreshadow of how "safe" he thinks he is. I always wondered this too. Lol

[@FranklinHicks-qs4gs]

"Nice streaks" was TOTAL flirtation 101

[@robertholston4708]

Just watched this the other night. Held up really well. It was first time watching since part 5 came out. I've always loved the sequel commentary in this one. This one does feel better connected to the original than the other sequels. Right now all the sequels except 3 are close for me in terms of quality. Scream 2 does have one of the best soundtracks of the 90s, even if used a little jarring in a couple places. You can kinda see in both the cast and soundtrack that this is a high budget follow up to a smash hit. It's like a who's who of the 90s. The first film's soundtrack is also great but is very different despite just 1 year difference. Also Courtney Cox never looked better than the beginning of this movie with the black dress and dark hair. Someone once told me they thought I looked like Jerry O'Connell. I have a similar haircut to him in this movie.

[@BraxtonWages]

I honestly never thought the Dewey and Gale nice streaks line was up to debate! I never thought it was a dig, Dewey is not one to make superficial disses like that. He’s too much of a nice guy. He begrudgingly complimented her because he genuinely liked her hair. He still has feelings for her which is why he’s hurt by what she wrote.

[@Ben-uk2jr]

This was the perfect podcast to edit in the Brenda scream from the cinema scene in Scary Movie during Eddie's opening monologue. It would have been the perfect homage

[@spacemonkeypantz]

Tbh I didn't take the "nice streaks" comment as insulting *or* flirtatious. I just thought he genuinely did like them and decided to tell her, not intending to flirt, just deciding to be honest about it.

[@SpeakinThaTruth69]

After the explanation I almost wanna vote for the professor too lol...but I am so glad I'm not the only one who actually likes this movie more than the rest of the sequels, I can see the pacing problems but they dont bother me

[@sheenawickham860]

I’m sorry Zack, I agree with Eddie on how Dewey tells Gale “nice streaks” it is like a personal insult to her because of his tone of voice and look on his face and she kind of is just blown away by how upset he is. I know we aren’t voting for The Cherry on Top buuuut, whereas I see both points of view-I love Joel! I would love to see him come back in Scream 6!

[@mikemullen472]

I could be wrong, but didn't they use the westernesque music for dewey for scream 2 in another movie BROKEN ARROW in 1996? I think so. The credited music composer is Hans Zimmer but Google said they used Beltrami music in it, although uncredited.

[@natalia4772]

Will the new ghostface make them scream.... 2? I CACKLED

[@WB-H]

Loll 😂 same!! -I was rollin’ 🤣🤣

[@dommevida_8721]

I saw the "nice streaks" moment as kind of flirtatious. It seemed to me that he thought it looks good on her but he didnt want to compliment her too much so he said it in this "angry" manner.

[@culpainn4186]

Regarding the discussion of the ending song, the lyrics of the Collective Soul song "She Said" if you Google them are actually quite poignant and bittersweet, so the song isn't as upbeat and triumphant as it initially might appear.

[@Bataowata]

i so Agree with what Eddie said about Dewey, i was saying it to myself when i saw it last night, Dewey was so Cute. his awkward Mannerisms. David is Gorgeous reguardless.

[@sgillman16]

Gremlins 2 was basically a parody of the first movie

[@brianferrill2458]

Can't stand Dead Meat, I have no idea how or why they got so popular. Everyone loved Scream 2 until they said it's their least favorite. Dumb as hell haha Scream 2 is amazing it's far and away the best sequel, as you guys rightly point out it's quite different than the first, and while the original will always be the best movie Scream 2 might be the best Scream movie

[@ItsAutoMatixx]

thinking that insult was flirtatious makes me very concerned with guys shooting they’re shot at this dude at a bar lol

[@HarveyAndson]

Ive noticed that Neve usually appears in the third act wearing some variation of brown and green in her tops and jackets (except for 1 and 4 - done intentionally so in 4 to tie it back to the original as a ‘remake’ commentary)

[@greenkoopa]

Omg Zack I just had a hilarious idea 🤣🤣 Who killed who in Halloween 2

[@HarveyAndson]

I fully agree that my only issue with the killers is that they (both, in my mind) just seem too much like people trying to act crazy. Shame because its my second favourite scream (behind 1)

[@vixenellapops21]

Zack funny you saw Spice World when you went to watch Scream lol I also went to see Scream 2 opening weekend with my cousins. We went to 3 different movie theaters and tickets were sold out so finally we gave up and just saw for Richer or Poorer which also came out that weekend. Funny movie but I was tight I didn't get to watch Scream ended up watching when it came out on video. Love this film prob my favorite horror sequel.

[@BabySwearWords]

So I thought on it and this is how I try to justify Sidney going to the theatre at the end for the climax. I think about it from my own college experience. If I was running from a killer and got back on campus from the front of the school, the campus security is located all the way in the back. I would pass up about 5 or 6 buildings with people inside before making it there. I would probably go to the building I am most familiar thinking someone would be there. In my case the library. I think Sidney at this point would be looking to just not be alone. Since she was a theatre major her thinking may have been just to her around people and since the play is days away people would be in the auditorium, people she probably knew. Just my two cents.

[@mparantha]

Saw 1 and 2 from the local rental place. Saw 3 on ppv. Saw 4 and 5 in theater. Was lucky enough to not have any of them spoiled

[@AntonioGee]

Did you like the last Saw aka Spiral?

[@mparantha]

@@AntonioGee probably should have clarified that "I saw 1 and 2..." meaning the Scream films. However, I will answer your question. I thought Spiral was garbage. Paled in comparison to the better Saw films. Also, some scenes are just Chris Rock doing stand-up at crime scenes where the tone doesn't fit. It was also completely predictable.

[@morganrein9260]

So now that I’m addicted to this podcast especially the ones that are Scream related. I’m watching Scream 2 right now and when Cici gets the call, she thinks it’s “Ted” and Randy mentions Ted Bundy. I really think both times they are legit referring to Ted Bundy beings that his victims were pretty much all going to college especially when he went on his murder spree in Florida and killed/attacked at a sorority house. I’m a true crime junkie and it’s something I picked up on. Any thoughts on my “theory”?

[@coillest8628]

1:24:05 Mrs Loomis discussion

[@leejtam0914]

Jamie Kennedy just did a rewatch of his scenes in 2 on his channel, its pretty funny

[@billcaitlinmarinelli1680]

The definitive scream list Scream Scream 2 Scream 4 Scream 2022 Scream 3

[@DakMT]

I mean it's fair to say that Mickey is weak because he disappears from the movie for about 45 mins before his reveal. So you don't really spend time with him and truly get to know the character

[@strifenineteen]

Sorry Zack but I've got to agree with Eddie, Dewy's comment about Gale's streaks is an insult (or at least a Dewy version)

[@strifenineteen]

Also wasn't Tori Spelling playing herself in an interview for STAB? Wouldn't that count for the Cherry Picker?

[@Striker-87]

haha Spice World was the first movie I saw in theaters without adult supervision

[@brianferrill2458]

Also Mickey is arguably the best killer. He's not the best reveal or mystery but just in terms of brutality and believability, he's Timothy freakin' Olyphant I actually believe he could do all those things! The exact opposite of Scream 4, where the killer reveals are "great" in that they are surprising and supportive, however there's no way I believe all 5 feet and 100 pounds of Emma Roberts and Rory Culkin could do any of the things Ghostface does.

[@MissteriousOne]

Zack is the same age as me😎

[@michaeloreilly5303]

Wes directed the Stab scenes. Not Robert Rodriguez.

[@HarveyAndson]

90s STAB version of Jamie Lee would’ve been Jennifer Aniston, mentioned in SCREAM 2 and therefore canon

[@jaguarrose7022]

Love the channel, always happy when a new Zach Cherry video drops but... I did not enjoy that weird voice the other guy was doing toward the beginning of this, describing the plot. Please don't do that again. Otherwise, EXCELLENT. Great content from Mr Cherry as always.

[@Joker_JAK]

I don't think Mrs. Loomis was ever at one of Gale's seminars. I think she said that line just in case Gale recognized her in some fashion. I also don't think Courteney was wearing a wig, because in FRIENDS at this time she had the exact same hair cut. They also weren't real boulders on the stage. Mrs. Loomis stabs one later and you can see that it's foam.

[@HarveyAndson]

Seed of Chucky had a movie of the Childs Play dolls in it. Though that doesn’t satirise the originals

[@Ecusu]

I dunno what it is with the gays and bring brilliant at talking about horror movies, but bless this podcast. Underrated as hell sequel.

[@frankpetersen6624]

How often does this guy do the “candy man” voice thing. Your videos are good and all but have to shut it right off the second he starts that. It’s just weird and creepy and not funny. Maybe it was the first time but does he do it all the time???

[@re9246]

Scream 2 is the best after the original. Hands down

[@MavenCree]

I love ALL the Scream movies, but Scream 2 is my least favourite too. But that's like saying it's my least favourite bowl of ice cream. It's still ice cream.

[@JessieDee13]

I have to definitely agree with Eddie on the "nice streaks" comment. That is in no way a complement, he is for sure insulting her as a last, final jab. Just to be a dick. And her response, to me, was like "well, he hit below the belt by insulting my looks, so he must be really upset" kinda response.

[@johnstephenreyes]

I wish Sister Murphy and Lois encounter Ghost Face

[@PaulRizzo]

Mickey was one of those characters where IMMEDIATELY as you saw him onscreen you knew he was the killer. You could just tell! Debbie Salt though, no.

[@meghan92385]

See I got that vibe with billie. I didn't get that with mickey.

[@borderlandwerun]

Ugh, I can't believe someone spoiled Randy's death for you. How rude. Loved hearing you two talk about this. I love "Scream 2", I attempt to use "local woman" as an insult whenever I think I can get away with it (which is rarely), and I think this movie is just as good as the original and - at times - threatens to top it... until the Ghostface reveals, which I found incredibly disappointing. Nevertheless, this movie is still awesome, and one of the rare sequels in any franchise that justifies its existence.

[@damontethomas1968]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@beavers1978]

Scream 2 is my personal favorite in the franchise. Gale goes through the most character growth here, Sidney has a little bit more experience in terms of self-defense, has the second best Ghostface Killer (Mickey), and has the best opening kills (I know, blasphemous.). I only have two complaints about this movie: 1.) Randy's death - I know the movie needed some stakes, but c'mon it's Randy Meeks. 2.) Derrick - I'm not gonna lie, he bored the hell out of me. I didn't care for his relationship with Sidney at all. I honestly think she should've hooked up with Randy instead.

[@GSnickerz]

Mrs. Loomis is my favorite ghostface, her motive, her crazy, her eyes! It’s so juicy and good, I just love a revenge tale! Mickey is so sub par to me, on level with Charlie almost, same with hallie. Their characters are so underutilized that when they go or are reveled, I’m just bored with them. The third act, it’s clunky, but it it still a great sequel!

[@spiritualbumpit]

Is Eddie a drunk?