CAPTAIN AMERICA Was Wrong (And Homelander Proves It!)

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The Marvel Cinematic Universe's superhero Civil War divided the MCU into Tea, Captain America and Team Iron Man. But in hindsight, we can say that both heroes were wrong. But Steve Rogers was especially wrong.
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The movie dealt with a really powerful debate on superhero accountability. Though, despite all the incredible kicking and punching, the movie never answered the question of who was right, Captain America or Iron Man.
And it seems like Marvel Studios, as well as all its heroes, pretty much forgotten about this as well. Because Thanos showed up, and the debate around superhero supervision…. poof, it got dusted.
Since then, no one is talking about this. But we didn’t forget, and we are here to remain the Avengers that the bill comes due, now more than ever.
The central conflict in the amazing Captain America Civil War is the ideological clash between Captain America and Iron Man.
Tony was all in for government supervision, believing that the Avengers must be held accountable for their mistakes. The only path forward is for the Avengers to register and be overseen by the government.
Steve on the other hand believed that the Avengers must remain autonomous, free to take action in the world and use their abilities without the limitations of government supervision.
So who’s right here?
Well, you might be surprised here, because Steve was wrong, but that doesn’t actually mean that Tony was right.
Usually with these types of videos, we go into the nitty gritty of why certain heroes were wrong. But this time, it’s going to be different.
Because while Steve is wrong, he’s also right, in principle. While Tony is right, to a certain degree, he’s mostly wrong.
After one too many collateral misshapes, the Avengers face the consequences for their actions as independent heroes.
While they save the world, they do tend to leave a lot of havoc behind them.
This leads to the sokovia accords, a legal bind that will allow the world’s governments to regulate the Avengers.
Tony was totally on board with the accords, while Steve was against it with all of his heart.
They are both right, to a degree, but also so very wrong.

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[@heavyspoilers]

Thought this said Captain America was Wong for a second and thought we were gonna get hit with the wildest fan theory of all time

[@brianb4898]

The governments came to them with a very lengthy document. They had no intention of negotiation, because they believe themselves in charge. Hard to negotiate with someone that believes themselves above you, and does not view you as a team member.

[@jaysanti1718]

I think it's worth noting that at some point in Civil War, Steve was willing to sign the Accords. He said it wouldn't be impossible, but there would be have to be safeguards. And then he found out Tony was keeping Wanda in lockdown and objectifying her to a weapon of mass destruction. It wasn't until then that he went into absolute refusal mode. Which no one can blame him because, as a someone who lived through and fought in WWII, he saw internment and human objectification first hand.

[@sharleenshouse3238]

I've always had a problem with people who blame the heroes for the damage and mess they cause when they are defending someone, be it a single person, a city, or the world. Think about what would have happened if the Avengers DIDN'T defend New York, or if they just didn't do any of the other things when they prevented the bad people from doing whatever they wanted to do. Any "damage" CAUSED" by the avengers is far below the amount of damage that would have happened if the avengers weren't there. So no, Cap was not wrong.

[@aaditchaudhary5067]

Monica Rambeau's argument is Wanda could have murdered a thousand people but, she only murdered 100 people, so we should be grateful to Wanda for her mercy. 😂

[@septimiumolnar1626]

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[@alistairgrey5089]

I think you missed one of Caps biggest points. The Avengers and other super heroes police their own. Every time a super powered person started doing bad things the Avengers stepped in. That's what Steve means by "the best hands are still our own" it wasn't about moral superiority, it was about not letting power hungry people with agendas have access to the most powerful forces on Earth.

[@thomassmith6232]

As I recall SHIELD launched a nuclear missile on New York. Wonder how much collateral damage that would have caused had Iron Man not redirected it, and who would have been held responsible?

[@mattevans4377]

Iron man was also wrong. He only did what he did because he felt guilty for his own actions, but instead of being responsible for them, he made everyone else take responsibility for them.

[@Lillymedusa107]

Cap was hands down right in this movie

[@jonathanlauber293]

This situation reflects the world we live in today. Everyone is certain that they are right. They see only that they are right, refuse to see where the 'other side' has good points, and refuse to acknowledge the weaknesses in their own arguments. This view leads to an inability to compromise because compromise means that the wrong side gets what they want and the right side doesn't get everything they think that they deserve.

[@QuietGiant]

The problem with super hero registration, is that it only really works with borderline or mostly human heroes like Capt America or Ironman. Imagine trying to enforce it on someone with incredibly high power levels like the (savage) hulk. Or on supernatural beings like Dr. Strange and Ghost Rider, or even on alien 'Gods' such as Thor and Hercules. Mighty impractical.

[@Darkstar1484]

The problem that i have, and that i hate that the MCU ignored, is that in previous movies the bodies of authority were either launching nukes at population centers, creating a monster and also uaing soldiers kn civilain spaces or were severely comrpomised with hydra agents. The problem isnt just about freedom to use power but that wr had been shown just how fallible and potentially dangerous said governing bodies were.

[@johnstockley6976]

Cap standing before the entirety of the world and saying "no" is very much in character.

[@richardbastuck3902]

You make an interesting point about there being no team to hold each other accountable. It makes me wonder if that was meant to be a theme throughout phase 4. The Avengers didn't consider the consequences of reversing the snap and then the team leaders either died, retired, or flew off into space, leaving a vacuum of power and a mad scramble for it. That kid in Far From Home said it: "Are the Avengers even a thing anymore? Does anyone have a plan??" Yes, lots of people: Scarlet Witch, S.W.O.R.D., the GRC, the Flag-Smashers, the DODC, Spider-Man, the Skrull, the Clandestines, the Hand, the Ten Rings, Talokan, the Thunderbolts, Wakanda, the Celestials, the TVA, vampires, Venom, mutants, the Fantastic Four, Loki, Sylvie, Zeus, Hercules, He Who Remains, and Kang, just to name a few. All these individuals, groups, and nations coming out of the woodwork in full force has been chaos, but maybe that's the point! With no solid Avengers team anymore, the opportunity to fill the void is too good to pass up for anyone! Things are going to continue get MUCH worse for our characters in the MCU to lend weight to how badly a new super team is needed in this universe. I think of it kind of like Zack Snyder's Justice League how the Mother Boxes didn't call out to Steppenwolf until Superman died, the time heist in Endgame is sending out quantum signals to every corner of the multiverse that a new war is brewing and it's time for everyone to prepare. Which is fitting considering what we can hope to look forward to in Secret Wars.

[@raydrexler5868]

I love how all of the heroes reached their opinion on the Accords through their experience in their solo films and that they were all understandable

[@rafaellariosa4815]

People always forget that Tony was only willing to sign the accords to get Ross and the government off their backs. He said to Cap when he (cap) was supposed to sign that if they don't like what government eventually does to them, they can just fight it. Together

[@grogvaughan5649]

As a former member of the United States military and watching for decades the civilian leadership mishandling military operations the Avengers policing themselves seems like a fanfreakingtastic idea to me.

[@likecrazyhorse]

You should have paralleled this with Kang becoming He Who Remains in order to keep himself in check. It's the whole premise behind the next two phases