Scriabin: Sonata No.2 in G-sharp Minor (Trifonov, Melnikov, Pogorelich)

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Ashish Xiangyi Kumar

Ashish Xiangyi Kumar

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@thebrainnugget
@thebrainnugget 6 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, the first time I listened to this piece was while I was playing Minecraft. I happened to be on a shore at night, then to travel across a vast ocean. I had no idea at the time that this piece was programmatic. So, naturally, while the piece certainly invokes the image Scriabin wanted... mine just happens to be a bit more... well....blocky. Haha
@jamesandrewes9640
@jamesandrewes9640 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of 'blocky', I'm surprised this video didn't include Michel Block's transcendent performance of this sonata.
@orb3796
@orb3796 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesandrewes9640 You're a master of transitions
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesandrewes9640 I wish I could transition to my 2nd musical idea like you just did. Haha
@solarean
@solarean 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesandrewes9640 What a lad are you, teach us your great ways please owo
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@federico6485
@federico6485 4 жыл бұрын
OMG... Why, why, on earth, is Scriabin so underrated? And why did i get to know this piece too late?
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
He daid too early ToT
@federico6485
@federico6485 4 жыл бұрын
@@DJ-yq1jn Yes.. He and Chopin. :(
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
Chopin was known cause he real good at very young and cause he’s father. Scriabin daid at hight D:
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think Scriabin is underrated - his music gets played at concerts and recitals all over the world. Maybe he's not as popular as Beethoven or Mozart or Rachmaninov etc but I think he does o.k. Certainly there are many composers who are far, far less well-known.
@federico6485
@federico6485 4 жыл бұрын
@@adrianwright8685 makes sense. He's popular enough, but maybe not as much as those, because of his uniqueness.
@PaulHummerman
@PaulHummerman 7 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to all Scriabin lovers - and a brooding and ecstatic New Year!
@caterinadelcampo118
@caterinadelcampo118 4 жыл бұрын
hO
@forg4308
@forg4308 3 жыл бұрын
this comment was 2 years ahead of time, it would've been more apt at the end of 2019. Then again, somebody in the future could very well say that I don't know the half of the problems that are coming in the next year from when I'm writing.
@raphaelg.4485
@raphaelg.4485 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to all!
@JoshuavanderVeen
@JoshuavanderVeen 3 жыл бұрын
@@forg4308 LOL even better at the end of 2020
@forg4308
@forg4308 3 жыл бұрын
@@Noah-wv4td ya don’t say...
@marcphilos9915
@marcphilos9915 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Pogorelich offering. He brings out a certain pensiveness that feels precisely well placed and not rushed. This sonata was paired with the Liszt B minor sonata on his album and is very much a fitting conclusion to it.
@barnabasvissi37
@barnabasvissi37 Жыл бұрын
Trifonov is one of my all time favourite pianists, but I can't stand to write down how amazing the Pogorelich performance of this masterpiece is.
@trevjr
@trevjr 4 жыл бұрын
I just have to say, I love Scriabin. Ever since I was a piano major what 40 years ago and got the Dover edition of his preludes and etudes. It took me longer to appreciate Chopin who I love dearly now. I would tell anyone to just skip to the Pogorelich version. His playing and musicality is so far above the other two. He lets the music breathe and observes more of the dynamic and rubato markings. Just look at the way he plays that grace note before the triplets, lovingly, not rushed, not just some note. He is quite the amazing pianist and musician. In this sonata we can hear Scriabin start to break away from the Chopin/early Rachmaninoff sounds. I noticed he really likes the minor 7th chords in this sonata. We can start to hear some of the inner voicings and rhythmic interplay that mark the 5th sonata and beyond. Not just 2 against 3, but 4/3, 5/3, 6/5, 7/5 etc. Scriabin is one of the few composers where you can actually see him changing over time, if you play thru his preludes from the beginning you will note a marked change around Op 34 or so, then other change around Op 54. Late Scriabin you would never guess he was the composer of even this sonata.
@florisende8015
@florisende8015 4 жыл бұрын
Huh, how funny. I currently am a piano major in a conservatory, and have been entranced by Scriabins works due to the Dover edition of the preludes and etudes. Do you have any predictions for me, as I seem to be following your footsteps?
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@Sam-zj6mw
@Sam-zj6mw 5 жыл бұрын
The way the melody emerges at 2:41 in amongst the delicate ornamental passage work is absolutely extraordinary.
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
Yea I love that part
@clintclint7673
@clintclint7673 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@raphaelcaron8981
@raphaelcaron8981 6 жыл бұрын
This sonata is just incredible, especially the 1st movement. It's maybe my favourite, because it gives so much freedom to the interpreter. I have listened to dozens of interpretations of it and I am really amazed by how differently this can be played. It shows how difficult and interesting this sonata is from an interpretative point of view and how fantastic and unique Scriabin's musical language is... So many shades, so many subtleties... I'm in awe.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@OdinLimaye
@OdinLimaye 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best piano sonatas ever written.
@r0mmm
@r0mmm 3 жыл бұрын
0:52... God, that melody. Its so chopinesque, but also so Scriabin.. I LOOOOVVVE it. Scriabin was (and is) such a genius and lyrical wonder
@viktorartemiev525
@viktorartemiev525 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of Scriabins' are chopinesque. But not at all of Chopins' are scriabinesque.
@r0mmm
@r0mmm 3 жыл бұрын
@@aseempawaskar Scriabin was born in the 1870s and Chopin died 1849
@aseempawaskar
@aseempawaskar 3 жыл бұрын
@@r0mmm oop- my bad xD!
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@Charlie-vf8hw
@Charlie-vf8hw 6 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the third movement from Chopin’s third sonata
@lenamcginnis5168
@lenamcginnis5168 6 жыл бұрын
Ivo is without the best in this sonata. His artistry, not interpretation is unparalleled . Thank you Ivo!!!
@WennAde
@WennAde 3 жыл бұрын
Now that I listen to him, that's right. He's on another level, completely.
@pmck85156
@pmck85156 Жыл бұрын
Pogorelich is a genius and brings out all the glorious little details like the LH melody from 31:29, and doesn't miss the effect of the repeated B at the end of the phrase at 31:36
@rudigerk
@rudigerk 5 жыл бұрын
Pogorelich's rendition is out of this World! The Phrasing and Polyphony is wonderful.
@dkinney1000
@dkinney1000 4 жыл бұрын
He takes us on the journey.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@PedroFragosoPires
@PedroFragosoPires Жыл бұрын
Absolutely monumental
@ronl7131
@ronl7131 Жыл бұрын
Young Pogorelich so good
@lubaluba80
@lubaluba80 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to the first two: "hmmm, why this way? I would like to hear it like this and that..." Listening to Pogorelich: "Yes! Yes! Yes! A hundred times yes!" If I could imagine the perfect interpretation - this would be it! The incredibly round tone, the genius, sensitive and sensible timing, the dynamics. He is mastering every millisecond of this.
@calebhu6383
@calebhu6383 2 жыл бұрын
Rachmaninov's Op.39 No.1 explores a very similar technique to the presto of this work
@duqueadriano0081
@duqueadriano0081 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Someonece
@Someonece 7 жыл бұрын
I only started listening to Scriabin 3 months ago, and love Pogorelich's recording of this. Beautiful voicing. I also love how you can hear Chopin's 1st Ballade being referenced at 24:49. Edit June 2018: Pogorelich's recording of this sonata is the greatest and most perfect solo piano recording I know of. 26:04 - 27:20 is indescribable. The way he crescendos and climaxes fits my musical preference better than what I could imagine myself. Every time I listen to it, I just sit in awe. Pogorelich is a genius.
@alex1lv632
@alex1lv632 7 жыл бұрын
It's very beautiful, but his 1st movement is a bit too slow for me.
@Someonece
@Someonece 7 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Scriabin most influenced by Chopin in his early life? Since his works are more Romantic before the turn of the century. Watch 'Zimerman plays Chopin Ballade No. 1' and skip to 3:17. The very first time I listened to this Sonata I heard it immediately.
@Someonece
@Someonece 7 жыл бұрын
***** I respectfully disagree. Maybe it's because I've been studying Chopin and his music for 2 years straight that I'm very sensitive to anything that sounds a bit close to his style. I can't listen to this Sonata without thinking about the first Ballade when that section comes up, not that I was saying he always referenced Chopin. It's a different story when I listen to his work at the turn of the 20th century. His nearly atonal late Sonatas are very interesting, and I can't begin to describe how breathtaking his symphonies and symphonic poems are; That I can say is pure Scriabin.
@Someonece
@Someonece 7 жыл бұрын
***** Yes it is very developed. The problem is I'm unsure of what you are trying to say. When you use words like 'pure', it gives me the impression that you are unaware of how much he was influenced in the very early works. It looks like I forgot to mention that I did in fact hear his distinctive style and tone in most pieces. I thought of him as 'a Russian Chopin' at first, until I eventually discovered his later works. As I said in the original comment, I've only been listening to him for a few months. I never said Chopin and early Scriabin are indistinguishable. You keep putting words in my mouth. I mentioned only a couple pieces, and only one of the two (the Mazurka) was one of the most indistinguishable piece. Other than that, I can really hear his own style but with heavy influence from Chopin, since, as everyone knows was the leader of Romantic piano.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 7 жыл бұрын
Dude idk what you're arguing about. The pieces that Tac Tundra mentioned (and also op 15) sound especially influenced by chopin, as they share more melodic, harmonic and rhythmic similarities than other pieces that are not as much influenced by chopin would. That's all he said.
@user-sh8px9vt3r
@user-sh8px9vt3r 3 жыл бұрын
웹툰보고왔는데 이렇게 아름다운노래가있을줄 몰랐네요~👍
@최우진-u3n
@최우진-u3n 2 жыл бұрын
무슨웹툰이요
@정윤-w9e
@정윤-w9e 2 жыл бұрын
@@최우진-u3n 모스크바의 여명같아요
@andrewmiles3378
@andrewmiles3378 9 ай бұрын
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@lovettboston
@lovettboston 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for providing the score and the commentary. I've been somewhat acquainted with this sonata for about 20 years, but only after following with the score did I notice how the "second subject" of the second movement is derived from the second subject in the first movement. That's an unremarkable bit of analysis, but it's also a central to how this music registers as a whole. Scriabin may indeed have had some kind of abnormal capacity for synesthesia, which I long regarded as an extra-musical distraction. I now see this as a little like Kandinsky's writing about art, especially his ideas about inherent, and not strictly visible, properties of colors. That's not surprising either, given Kandinsky's strong interest in music of his time. And it doesn't take too much imagination to equate the shade of blue in this sonata with some of the seascapes by Scriabin's contemporary, Aivazovsky. Following the score also helps me understand how a work that sounds so obviously "Romantic" in late 19th century fashion can be so harmonically elusive. Is the first movement really in G-sharp minor, or could it be B major, ending with a tack to the subdominant, E major? The finale certainly seems to begin and end in G-sharp minor, but the keys for the second subject seem rather remote. I don't have the expertise to figure out all the musical theory involved here, but I see more clearly how this sonata leads from what came before to what comes after.
@aston0708
@aston0708 Жыл бұрын
Trifonov and Melnikov is utterly amazing,,,,, Pogerlich is however unique,,,,,the sound created is haunting
@jandropga69
@jandropga69 7 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, this is one of the most beautiful gems in all of classical music. I'm working through some of the easier preludes right now, not sure if I have the gusto for this mammoth yet. Scriabin never sacrifices the subtle, but intricate tonal brilliance of his music to make it easier on the performer, that's for sure. This is also one of the greatest channels on all of KZbin. Keep up the fantastic work, Ashish :)
@fiscalcpiano
@fiscalcpiano 6 жыл бұрын
Though there are indeed some significant technical/dexterity challenges in the 2nd sonata (and especially the second movement), I found when I attempted the piece that it was still a productive use of my time. The piece demands an attentive ear to the different voicings and melodies, especially because so many of Scriabin's figurations function as (even if not intended to be) colorations rather than motifs. And then there are the colorations that also motifs... Yes - difficult piece. I found it very rewarding nonetheless. Those challenges force you to cultivate your skill. I find Scriabin's 2nd to be a simpler beauty than the 4th; though the 4th sonata has similar complexities and challenges, it is such an exciting piece to play and feels much less academic and rigid. 2nd sonata 2nd movement felt quite academic and rigid to me especially. I still have my own mountains to climb
@Soytu19
@Soytu19 6 жыл бұрын
It is. This second sonata is great. It's complex romantic-like piano music but at the same time it preserves simple and lyrical motifs. The first movement is a real wonder. I'm not very fond of piano music because most of the times i find that its music is a bit overloaded due to its vast musical possibilities (especially romantic music and particularly Liszt, whom for my taste is hugely overrated). But this second sonata is perfect for the piano. It makes use of the complex possibilities of the instrument and at the same time is based on simple melodies and musical concepts- motifs. I'm in love with the first movement.
@Ar1osssa
@Ar1osssa 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Eisenach Scriabin isn't easy. It's very pianistic-need composer
@flyingpenandpaper6119
@flyingpenandpaper6119 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ar1osssa Some of the easier Preludes, however, are indeed easy. As said he.
@lumine1619
@lumine1619 4 жыл бұрын
Careful, it might one of the gems that Kaido Kid is after
@jesus_built_my_hotrod
@jesus_built_my_hotrod 6 жыл бұрын
Sadly my classical musical acuity is not up to this standard yet. Surely I will revisit in the future with a more mature and true appreciation.
@zeke7269
@zeke7269 4 жыл бұрын
props to you friend, people don't often have this mentality
@joshsussman9432
@joshsussman9432 3 жыл бұрын
Just in this tiny post you show: honesty, patience, humility and suspension of judgement. Great job.
@oldbird4601
@oldbird4601 3 жыл бұрын
If only I knew someone like you in real life 😭
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
Yet this comment tells me that you have more potential than lots of others.
@isaacanwarwatts8844
@isaacanwarwatts8844 3 жыл бұрын
Just listen 5 times and by the end you will feel as if you've 'understood' the piece. Familiarity is in some ways interchangeable with maturity. Although I assume you've done that by now
@emyrwyn604
@emyrwyn604 7 жыл бұрын
I'm never tired of this wonderful piece. It's as if the music is swaying with the waves in the first movement and rising from the depths in the second. Just as Scriabin describes!
@djangoon6
@djangoon6 7 жыл бұрын
I have missed Scriabin all these years, what beauty!
@orvillewrightjr.6119
@orvillewrightjr.6119 5 жыл бұрын
I once attended a Lecture/Recital where the performer played the First and Second Scriabin Sonatas. The performer mentioned that the Second Sonata was composed after Scriabin vacationed on the Baltic Sea, I believe in Lithuania. I've always been fascinated by the Second Piano Sonata, which these three performers play very differently, but most enjoyably. I've played it over the years; albeit, somewhat unevenly, though I persevere.
@smkh2890
@smkh2890 2 жыл бұрын
" E Major, a colour which appeared to Scriabin bluish-white". Ridiculous! E Major is green.
@nicholasfox966
@nicholasfox966 6 жыл бұрын
One of my very favorite pieces of music ever written for piano. Of the three performances posted here, my preferred is the second one, Melnikov. Historically, the performances of Sofronitsky and Richter I treasure most.
@samh1996
@samh1996 2 жыл бұрын
I first thought this sonata was just all about lovely melodies, but it has so much drama going on and the climax in the first movement is spectacular. It's an exceptionally beautiful sonata for piano which rivals some of the best sonatas ever written, I believe. I keep coming back to listening Melnikov's interpretation of the 2nd movement, so much passion in it. This is undoubtedly one of my favorite sonatas, written by my favorite composer.
@nikolai5012
@nikolai5012 Жыл бұрын
I don't get why no one loves Melnikov's interpretation! I love how in the cathartic release in the first movement (the part where it goes from g sharp minor to e major), he doesn't pull all the way back as the others do, but let's the momentum carry on to a serene blissful resolution
@aldoringo439
@aldoringo439 2 жыл бұрын
Every scriabin sonata is just guaranteed to be a masterpiece. That's how good of a composer he was. Guaranteed gold every time.
@marcap1000
@marcap1000 4 жыл бұрын
Pogorelich is in a class of his own, no doubt. It's no matter of ranking, of better/worse. Just a class of his own......
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
Just keeping everyone out
@cuneyterkanol
@cuneyterkanol 5 жыл бұрын
20:58 POGORELICH...!!!! POGORELICH...!!!! POGORELICH...!!!! and again... POGORELICH...!!!!
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji Жыл бұрын
3:13, is nobody going to talk about how cool the B major-D major-F minor-Eb major transition in the development is?
@ConcordMass
@ConcordMass Жыл бұрын
7:35 :p
@ConcordMass
@ConcordMass Жыл бұрын
btw gib cookie i found ur pfp
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji Жыл бұрын
@@ConcordMass 🍪
@ConcordMass
@ConcordMass Жыл бұрын
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji ty :p
@LukeFaulkner
@LukeFaulkner 4 жыл бұрын
Op.54 aside, this should be called Poem of Ecstasy.
@scriabinismydog2439
@scriabinismydog2439 4 жыл бұрын
What about the 5th Sonata? :P
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
5th real good
@anteb.k.8396
@anteb.k.8396 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot Sofronitsky, it is one of the most alive Scriabin playing I ever heard
@martinianotanoni
@martinianotanoni Жыл бұрын
There´s a lot of Chopin´s Polonaise-Fantasy op. 61 in this work, right from the very beginning
@lingnguyen2623
@lingnguyen2623 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Medtner's fairy tails piano pieces, very nuanced, subtle, but delightful.
@anjou6497
@anjou6497 Жыл бұрын
I've. often wondered ; if humans can learn to read writing, why do most refuse to believe they can read music scores ? It's another language. So ? It's possible if you have the discipline & the heart. 🧡🌱💜🌱
@danpoynton
@danpoynton 4 жыл бұрын
Yes - this is one of the most beautiful ecstatic pieces ever written. And you should also include Ashkenazy in your list of the great players of this piece - I would say the greatest, but in the presence of players such as Pogorelich, who knows? And then, what about Sofronitsky? He married Elena, Scriabin's eldest daughter, and he recorded one of the most free-flowing, whimsical performances of this piece that has ever been given us - so who knows? With such divine creations, there is never any "definitive" interpretation.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@danpoynton
@danpoynton 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikhailtrushechkin1642 A magic interpretation, thank you sir! (Please see my comment on your channel..............)
@alessiofagioli9235
@alessiofagioli9235 2 жыл бұрын
pogorelich always sublim e
@8413Lucas
@8413Lucas 3 жыл бұрын
5:53 sublime melody with all these sparkles above! And those polyrhythms must be so hard to play
@icarias9602
@icarias9602 2 жыл бұрын
Otra gran sonata de Scriabin.🎹👌🏻 Gracias por compartir. Saludos desde Chile.🇨🇱
@fidelcastro9112
@fidelcastro9112 5 жыл бұрын
5:36 What a beauty
@goognamgoognw6637
@goognamgoognw6637 6 жыл бұрын
Having listenned this juxtaposition many times. Like some other have said, I think Melnikov gives the best rendition of the second movment but Trifonov gives the most touching and moving first movment but as he gets in the second his dynamic accents do not work as well as Melnikov slowly rising and crushing waves of music. So that by the time you have listened Melnikov you forgot how beautifully expressive Trifonov first movment is.
@thatguybob6088
@thatguybob6088 3 жыл бұрын
All those crazy fancy features you see in MuseScore, Finale or whatever your songwriting software of choice, you think no one would ever use like nonuplets or ffff? Scriabin used em
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
Ligeti: ffffff and ppppp, it is!
@Dodecatone
@Dodecatone 2 жыл бұрын
20:58 (just for myself, beginning of the Pogorelich)
@V1DE0DR0ME
@V1DE0DR0ME 4 жыл бұрын
For a wonderful interpretation of the tender parts towards the end of the first movement, I highly recommend Hamelin. He maintains the yearning melody with loving clarity, while the trickling R.H. accompaniment in the background glistens like water. I melt every time I hear it; a testament also to Scriabin's masterful writing for the piano.
@NFStopsnuf
@NFStopsnuf Ай бұрын
Came back to point out the hints of Chopin's 3rd Sonata poking their way through
@aldoringo439
@aldoringo439 2 жыл бұрын
Its weird that I would also agree that e major would be bluish white, even though I don't have synthaesia, kind of a pale blue, like the sky on a clear day but with a bit of white cloud.
@pablovalverde3542
@pablovalverde3542 10 ай бұрын
7:08 When Scriabin dramatically turns to Chopin
@nielsenja
@nielsenja 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your consistently evocative yet strangely precise descriptions, they really help me to learn and more fully appreciate music that I love.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@positive.juice.apartment
@positive.juice.apartment Жыл бұрын
pogorelich supremacy
@pulchralutetia
@pulchralutetia 3 жыл бұрын
The man was a poetic genius.
@na-kun2136
@na-kun2136 Жыл бұрын
3:14 sounds like a rainbow to me
@MusicalSeriesChannel
@MusicalSeriesChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Trifonov plays 08:30 very very very very (.....+900 very) well!
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@NoahJohnson1810
@NoahJohnson1810 7 жыл бұрын
Never heard of Melnikov. His/her interpretation is mature and powerful!
@robert-skibelo
@robert-skibelo Жыл бұрын
Obviously "his". A woman would be called Melnikova.
@chrisy367
@chrisy367 Жыл бұрын
@@robert-skibelo melnikov is his family name though, not first name
@robert-skibelo
@robert-skibelo Жыл бұрын
@@chrisy367 Russian (and other Slavic) family names are declined for women, so a married woman has a slightly different name from her husband. Think of the ballerina Pavlova: if she had a husband, he would have been Pavlov, like the man with the salivating dogs. There's Navritalova as well.
@chrisy367
@chrisy367 Жыл бұрын
@@robert-skibelo ahh i see, thanks for the clarification
@jacklevinson1
@jacklevinson1 7 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting how both Scriabin's third sonata and this one begin with similar rising octave figures used as motives, while one is a fourth, the other is a fifth.
@PianoPsych
@PianoPsych 4 жыл бұрын
You provide a great service to us by presenting these three beautiful performances of this sublime piece. I was already familiar with Pogorelich's unique but wayward performance but hadn't heard Trifonov's or Melnikov's. I had never heard of Melnikov before. Trifonov is very impressive here. He has beautiful color in both movements, but I think Melnikov gets closer to the composer's intention. Pogorelich is a little too self-indulgent for my taste and loses the flow of the first movement by playing it too slowly, but his control of piano color is unsurpassed and that shows in his astonishing second movement. Thank you for bringing Melnikov to my attention. It was Beatrice Rana's performance that inspired me to learn the piece after having become familiar with it from a recording by Bella Davidovich. Yuja Wang's performance also deserves to be heard.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@PianoPsych
@PianoPsych 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikhailtrushechkin1642 I liked it very much and left a comment under your video.
@Johannes_Brahms65
@Johannes_Brahms65 2 жыл бұрын
As a start it blows my mind how anybody at all can remember these notes. But it nukes my mind how anybody can play these notes for me to even understand and like them (Pogorelich).
@Bozzigmupp
@Bozzigmupp 2 жыл бұрын
I find it so difficult to understand and read triplets when there is only 2 noted
@samward2416
@samward2416 3 жыл бұрын
One of the few pieces that can bring me to tears.
@danielche2349
@danielche2349 5 жыл бұрын
Trifonov - 00:00 - Mvt 1, Andante 07:04 - Mvt 2, Presto Melnikov - 10:25 - Mvt 1, Andante 17:43 - Mvt 2, Presto Pogorelich - 20:58 - Mvt 1, Andante 31:03 - Mvt 2, Presto (copy and paste because on mobile timestamps don't work in the description, only in the comment section)
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
Thx
@timward276
@timward276 2 жыл бұрын
I don't love the second movement, but my Gods, that first movement is one of the most beautiful and evocative pieces I've ever heard. That bell-like triplet, the melody in the middle of the filigree accompaniment, the rhythmic complexity--just stunning. All 3 versions are terrific.
@wesmlr
@wesmlr Жыл бұрын
The Trifonov recording is incredible... Sublime
@misterteatime1840
@misterteatime1840 6 жыл бұрын
The Glemser recording of this is also excellent. One of my absolute favourite pieces.
@PeterLunowPL
@PeterLunowPL 6 жыл бұрын
Never heard Melnikov before and I must say: he knocked me off my feet ! what a GREAT pianist !!. The colors, the structure, the rhythm, clarity, dynamic accuracy.... a master indeed.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@KDChenStudio
@KDChenStudio 7 жыл бұрын
Melnikov's version is my top favourite.
@fnsnssi
@fnsnssi 6 жыл бұрын
17:43
@founderturtles3036
@founderturtles3036 8 күн бұрын
G# minor💀 (I love this piece btw)
@Pakkens_Backyard
@Pakkens_Backyard 3 жыл бұрын
The sound of 5 sharps is just ethereal, glad to have discovered this piece
@robertcalley6496
@robertcalley6496 2 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely nothing special about "5 sharps". This comment is clearly written by a newbsack who doesn't understand theory.
@chrisy367
@chrisy367 Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalley6496 why not take your elitism elsewhere and allow this person to enjoy the music?
@robertcalley6496
@robertcalley6496 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisy367 Because their comment is entirely nonsensical - they can feel free to enjoy the music, just not because it has "5 sharps". That is stupid, and it needs to be stated as such.
@classicore22
@classicore22 Жыл бұрын
@@robertcalley6496 I’ve played for fourteen years, regularly giving recitals. I’m one of many people to notice a difference between the characters of different keys. This is because instruments are not in perfect equal temperament, meaning that the various keys sound different. B major/G# minor, for example, sound more exotic to a listener than C major. It’s worth noting that the great composers themselves, who were more knowledgeable about music than most casual listeners, have assigned different characters to different keys. (This was especially true in the days before “equal temperament,” when the differences in character between keys were far more pronounced than they are today. A-flat major sounded horrendously out of tune in many Baroque temperaments.) They may have varied between different composers, but you find very few major composers claiming that there is nothing inherently different about different keys. Beethoven called B minor a “black key,” never wrote a major piece in it, and used it as a destabilizing force in the Hammerklavier sonata. Scriabin thought F-sharp major was an ecstatic key, featuring it in Prometheus and in his Fourth and Fifth Piano Sonatas. Liszt consistently used D minor to represent Hell in his Dante Sonata and in his Dante Symphony. He used F-sharp major for more intimate, religious-themed moments (Benediction of God in Solitude; the sections of the Dante Sonata representing Paradisio; the slow section of his Fantasy and Fugue on the choral Ad Nos, Salutarem; etc.) Beethoven scholars agree that he used C minor for some of his stormiest works, like the Fifth Symphony and the Op. 111 Sonata. Surely they weren’t all wrong?
@KingstonCzajkowski
@KingstonCzajkowski 5 ай бұрын
@@classicore22 Programmatic key intentions are often intended to affect the performer and not the audience. Some of those composers had perfect pitch. Modern temperaments are almost always 12-TET. People without perfect pitch cannot aurally tell the difference.
@scronx
@scronx 2 жыл бұрын
Performances both masterly and heavenly. Thank you!
@현수-n7l
@현수-n7l 3 жыл бұрын
모스크바의 여명 보고 왔습니다
@XavierMacX
@XavierMacX 6 жыл бұрын
All the performances are great in their own right. I dislike, however, Trifonov's disregard for the dynamic markings near the end of the 2nd movement. Scriabin's written interpretation is much more effective and dramatic! Thanks (yet again) for the amazing upload.
@robertcalley6496
@robertcalley6496 2 жыл бұрын
I dislike everything about Trifonov, including his face.
@monteverdi1567
@monteverdi1567 3 жыл бұрын
I was heretofore unfamiliar with this piece, thank you for sharing it! What a beautiful, lovely, and indeed "evocative" work.
@gesangvoll520
@gesangvoll520 Жыл бұрын
Melnikov is the best here. Obviously.
@MorbidMayem
@MorbidMayem Жыл бұрын
Yes
@mcrettable
@mcrettable 6 жыл бұрын
i might be crazy but i like scriabin more than tchaikovsky
@Someonece
@Someonece 6 жыл бұрын
I like them both equally. Although I think Scriabin's 1st symphony is better than all of Tchaikovsky's except the 6th.
@indoormusic
@indoormusic 6 жыл бұрын
same here
@danielche2349
@danielche2349 5 жыл бұрын
Tchaikovsky is overrated IMO. Scriabin's music is personally much more evocative and soulful
@alexs1504
@alexs1504 4 жыл бұрын
Also my case
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
You like Chopin. Then Liszt. Then Godowsky. Then Scriabin/Szymanowski. Then Sorabji. Nowhere did one better than the other, but just enjoy the journey ;)
@christopherczajasager9030
@christopherczajasager9030 2 жыл бұрын
Above all, the long lines, the dynamics, and bruavur!Ecstasy and what cannot be taught..TRIFONOV version...
@dawlims1334
@dawlims1334 2 жыл бұрын
the first two was good, but pogorelich' interpretation is the best
@berkefeil5646
@berkefeil5646 Жыл бұрын
Scriabin can be a bit tough to listen to sometimes but this sonata does not give one that impression in the least. Maybe the composer is truly underrated after all
@dallinfullmer3073
@dallinfullmer3073 5 жыл бұрын
I think I’ll die of heartache if I practice this sonata, wish me luck anyways professor told me to
@lumine1619
@lumine1619 4 жыл бұрын
No
@Happy-xn6hd
@Happy-xn6hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@lumine1619 yes
@lumine1619
@lumine1619 3 жыл бұрын
@@Happy-xn6hd No
@Happy-xn6hd
@Happy-xn6hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@lumine1619 yes, I say. yes.
@lumine1619
@lumine1619 3 жыл бұрын
@@Happy-xn6hd no, I say. no.
@christophetanquerey2054
@christophetanquerey2054 3 жыл бұрын
trfonov according to me gets the best dynamic and tempo especially in the final Presto.... besides the Urtext score give us an important information!; the Final has been writen before the first mouvement:!!!!!!
@sunachong1083
@sunachong1083 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Scriabin..❤
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
I just don’t g3t it... h0w c@n s0m3 0n3 wr1t3 s0m3th1ng @a awesome as th15?
@cislak5669
@cislak5669 3 жыл бұрын
@@DJ-yq1jn s0 1337 m4n jus7 l1k3 pwn1ng n00bz
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 6 ай бұрын
12:21 I love the sudden emergence of a new voice in the left hand
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 4 жыл бұрын
According to the times given in the description Trifonov takes 7mins for the Andante and Melnikov 7min 18secs but Pogorelich takes 10mins 5 secs; that's a lot - 42% - longer! There is a metronome marking - presumably Scriabins? - but I can't be bothered to count how many bars there are - would be interesting to know who is nearer the composers requirement.
@aldoringo439
@aldoringo439 2 жыл бұрын
Notice how they're all russian? Cause Scriabin had a truly Russian soul
@bwvp-vpr
@bwvp-vpr 2 жыл бұрын
I like Melnikov for the 1st mvmt and Pogorelich for the 2nd mvmt .
@concettasurace650
@concettasurace650 Жыл бұрын
Quante meravigliose suggestioni porta la Musica con la M maiuscola.Grazie
@newgeorge
@newgeorge 6 жыл бұрын
The finale reminds me a little of the finale to Chopin's B flat minor sonata.
@MaestroTJS
@MaestroTJS 6 жыл бұрын
Scriabin is kind of like a mentally unstable Chopin...on LSD.
@Henry-uv9xu
@Henry-uv9xu 6 жыл бұрын
The first movement reminds me of the slow movement of his B minor sonata
@milostopalovic9765
@milostopalovic9765 6 жыл бұрын
Aha ITs because of fragmental passages that are very charmonically unstable
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
@@MaestroTJS Lmao, implying that Chopin isn't mentally unstable :P
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@陽天-g8g
@陽天-g8g 4 жыл бұрын
トリフォノフがええ。それから、わしらに楽譜見せても何の意味もない。むしろ、トリフォノフの演奏が見たい。ないんか?
@kuniokitamura9267
@kuniokitamura9267 3 жыл бұрын
お前、ガラが悪いのう。もうちっと真面目タレ。
@giovannazanetti2788
@giovannazanetti2788 3 жыл бұрын
?
@bennyksmusicalworld
@bennyksmusicalworld 2 жыл бұрын
Movement 2 is kinda Chopinesque and I love it
@scribblertheband
@scribblertheband 4 жыл бұрын
This has so much happening I love it
@DJ-yq1jn
@DJ-yq1jn 4 жыл бұрын
Same UwU
@huangharold9322
@huangharold9322 2 жыл бұрын
Just like a ballade.But the things in it are more than telling a story.
@MorbidMayem
@MorbidMayem Жыл бұрын
Melnikov is the one faithful to Scriabin’s score here. Pogorelich is way too slow in the 1st movement: it’s andante, not adagio. Trifonov is fine but does not respect dynamics at several spots.
@p-y8210
@p-y8210 Жыл бұрын
Tbf scriabin was not even faithful to his own score.
@JasonMYu
@JasonMYu 7 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite pieces. I've never heard Trifonov or Melnikov's performances so thank you for sharing. Properly highlighting the melody from 2:29 - 2:52 is extremely difficult, and Richter's performance is one of the clearest--though Trifonov's is also really clear here.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@fredogerald1475
@fredogerald1475 7 жыл бұрын
What a richness of sound here.Lucky to be!As for synesthesia there are some very interesting remarks on that subject by docter Oliver Sachs also available on You Tube.
@annemarietartas4073
@annemarietartas4073 3 жыл бұрын
Quelle grâce, quelle l'égèreté, quelle délicatesse dans le touché, quelle aisance quelle fluidité dans les changements de rythme et de tempo ! Cette étude est une petite merveille !
@otaviolamounier1733
@otaviolamounier1733 7 жыл бұрын
more Scriabin please !
@carolynchang4401
@carolynchang4401 6 жыл бұрын
So. Beautiful.
@H5subway5707
@H5subway5707 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite sonatas (in no particular order): Beethoven - Moonlight Chopin - #3 Rachmaninoff - #1 Scriabin - Eb minor and #2 (this one)
@back2backband1
@back2backband1 6 жыл бұрын
Good call! My top 5 #1 Moonlight #2 Chopin #3 Mozart's 12 & 13 #5 mozarts sonata 4 hands k 521
@davidepisanu1412
@davidepisanu1412 5 жыл бұрын
Noice
@elrichardo1337
@elrichardo1337 5 жыл бұрын
hm our tastes differ my top 5 sonatas i guess? 1. rachmaninoff 1 2. scriabin 5 3. beethoven 30 4. prokofiev 8 5. beethoven 7
@DariusMo
@DariusMo 5 жыл бұрын
Mine are chopin 2, scriabin 7 & rachmaninoff 2, scriabin 2
@scriabinismydog2439
@scriabinismydog2439 5 жыл бұрын
Mine are: -Scriabin 8 (Which I call the Dream Sonata) -Scriabin 5 -Liszt Dante Sonata -Beethoven 29 Hammerklavier -Rautavaara 2 The Fire Sermon
@MusicSmith2
@MusicSmith2 7 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Scriabin had synesthesia! I have chromosthesia, the color-music form of synesthesia. E Major is a rich orange yellow, while G# Minor is bluish-white (quite different from Scriabin's perceptions). Scriabin might be a famous composer with synesthesia, but I wouldn't say he is the most famous. Don't forget about Rimsky-Korsakov, Liszt, Sibelius, and Bernstein. Thanks for posting this!
@RedZed1974
@RedZed1974 6 жыл бұрын
Well, your bluish-white is G# minor, which shares 2 notes of the triad w E major, Scriabin's bluish-white. Quite a bit related I'd say :)
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 6 жыл бұрын
MusicSmith Whats your source for liszt (and any of the others you mentioned) having synaesthesia? Never read that anywhere. All the others are less well-known than Scriabin, I'd intuitively guess.
@MaestroTJS
@MaestroTJS 6 жыл бұрын
That all just proves to me that the perceptions of colours change from person to person so it's not as clear as colour is for vision.
@p-y8210
@p-y8210 4 жыл бұрын
Liszt didn't have synthesia tho.
@mikhailtrushechkin1642
@mikhailtrushechkin1642 3 жыл бұрын
Hi:) I wonder how would You like this interpretation? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOpdIBmjchrf5Y
@kniazigor2276
@kniazigor2276 Жыл бұрын
Superbe œuvre servie par un magnifique interprète
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