Mantic Games and Dungeon Saga my up's and down's

[@manticgames]

Hi Rob, I am Ronnie the boss man over at Mantic. Thanks for the honest review - I think you are spot on. We didn't handle the communication or timing well enough. They are very fair criticisms. However, from the following videos and the end of this one you did like what we ware trying to do - I think you described it as 'highs and lows'. I really hope that since this video there has been lots more highs and no more lows! I am 1/2 way through watching the video you did for Dice Tower, but I just wanted to drop you a line thanking you for the review, apologizing for the lows and I really am glad you stuck with it. Best wishes. Ronnie

[@manticgames]

+robert oren Robert, sorry to hear that you were missing something from return to Valendor. If you have filled in a missing items form then the missing bits will be on their way to you. IF you haven't don't worry. Please message me via Facebook messenger and I will personally pick and send your missing items. I do hope you give Kings of War a try, none of that comes in pre-packed so we pack that ourselves and have much higher accuracy rates. I have also added more staff to the QC and customer service side of the business to ensure this doesn't keep happening - and when it does we sort it out quickly. best wishes Ronnie

[@shockmac]

Your opinion matters a lot. I go to guys like you before I spend my money. So I hope the publishers take people like you more serious. Thanks for this video I'm on the fence right now about buying this.

[@twoflyingcrabs3578]

I've just stumbled across your videos after buying dungeon saga. And I wholly agree with everything you said. I'll be following you from now on. You're a top dude! ☺

[@seahawk8601]

thank you so very much! and welcome!

[@creekredfishingmastery]

rob, when the "make your own dungeon thing is released, all those extras can be used

[@eddieharr]

to be frank, it does state what comes in the box set (doors et all).

[@TiberiusWallace]

But you needed to have the the box to know that. Mantic can be vague about what their contents are.

[@doomed2063]

I just picked up the core Dungeon Saga game as well as the Adventurer's Companion. While Descent 2.0 is the ultimate campaign based dungeon crawler and Imperial Assault is the perfected version of the second edition Descent ruleset, Dungeon Saga is pretty damn cool and ambitious. The game seems like it could be pretty damn epic, especially when you include the Adventurer's Companion into the game. Mantis' production values for the game are extremely high. They're right up there with Games Workshop and Fantasy Flight and that can go a long way to helping a game like Dungeon Saga really stand out. I look forward to getting it to the table, but that might be somewhat difficult as Imperial Assault(along with Chaos Marauders & Cold War: CIA vs KGB card games) basically rules our game table at the moment.

[@golgothika]

Mine arrived on 8DEC, I was lucky in that only a few minis need the hot bath treatment. With the Adv Companion decks,I received five decks total,but two of deck01 and am missing deck03. Decks 02,04 and 05 are there. I filled out the missing items link with them,but only received an automated reply. I have no clue how long for the replacement deck. I like the look of the game,and I have Mantic minis on my to buy list,but I doubt I'll back another of their kickstarters.

[@AlanTwigg]

I have to admit, I laughed at 8:24. I did indeed find your channel because I was curious about Dungeon Saga. Thank you for the honest review, I really like your style and have already subscribed. Please keep up the great work. - Alan PS. I am curious about how the fridge situation worked out...

[@Rinhammer]

I backed th KS and had to play the waiting game like so many others. It got hard to stay optimistic. I got a little down but after receiving the game things turned around for me. The is so much potential here that I'm enthusiastic again. I have put my fan boy hat back on. I'm even working on a fan site. Can't wait for your review and to see your painted figs. If it turns out your not a fan of the game I am sure you will have a good reason. I'll be disappointed but I'll stay a loyal viewer. :) Love your vids.

[@ironhelm1]

The Adventure Book has a lot of errors where it references page numbers. They are having to redo it. Be careful with the resin mini's they break easy. Having the extra tiles is not a bad thing because with a large dungeon you can use them. I was a kickstarter backer and I think it is a fun game and has a lot of potential.

[@Gonzzok]

Rob. do you have painted the TI3 minis? i saw the box back there and was wondering if it can be done. Played a friends copy of it and the first thing that came to mind was if the minis would look any good painted since theyre suposed to differentiate player from each other.

[@garfieldwithissuez]

7:30 I say GW is the Evil Empire because of the way they treat their customers and merchants.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Thank you Mr. Oren for the cautionary example. I think if I ever kickstart a strictly gaming production company I will put "Customer Service that Doesn't Suck." and "Actual Quality Assurance." as stretch goals. As always your candor and honesty are greatly appreciated and stop saying you're small. Find a mirror for godsakes man..... Seriously anything really effective and worth doing started small. Remember that Steve Wozniak presented the personal computer to Hewlett Packard on FIVE separate occasions and they told him that he was a great engineer, and he had a lot of heart, but honestly what would regular people do with computers??

[@cedspectre1]

Thanks for the video! I was looking at purchasing the game and extras and was wondering if it was different pieces in the expansions. You saved me from getting more of the same that comes with the base. I may get this down the road if I want to make my own dungeons but for now I am going to stick with what is in the base game.

[@cedspectre1]

I actually found a copy and ordered it as well, I am looking forward to getting the game and get down to painting haha

[@MichaelMordor]

This is my favorite game at this time and every Friday have a Dungeon saga night with friends, I respect your honesty but once you play this with your mates all your worries will go as it is very good. As for Mantic yes they have made lots of mistakes with orders and customer help I think they are trying to hard to soon releasing too many new games when they should stick with the games that are already doing very well such as Kings of War and focus on the customer base they already have and by expanding on those games only which will bring in the custom they want. they have my support and I will be purchasing every little bit of Dungeon Saga goodness they release.I look forward to seeing more of your videos

[@garrapato]

Thanks for the review mate. I am a KS backer and got a similar feeling than yours with the duplicated miniatures. Some of the gifts they gave as for free for financing their project were duplicated sets of the miniatures. It's a shame, as I don't see how I could use them in the game, as none of the g require so many models. So we have ended up with just duplicated minis. Also, some special models as the legendary heroes had to be purchased apart. I would have preferred to have the legendary heroes for free instead of packs of duplicated minis.

[@krystlerodriguez9130]

One thing I can't figure out is how does the hero become legendary as shown behind the hero card?

[@TheFewzz]

What do you need to play this Solo?

[@printrun5]

Have you tried warhammer quest silver tower? I would love to hear your honest opinion on that game. Btw your hands are like two hammers... So big!

[@wooddragontwin]

My only thing is the bestiary has no stats for dragons and giants nice work guy

[@MarkNiceyard]

Content starting at 8:30 or so. :/

[@Sinofdamnation40k]

+MarkNiceyard Thank you for this!!!

[@supark3244]

+robert oren I for one appreciate the rambling. Please keep the conversation authentic.

[@Ssiner69]

+robert oren the ramble actually was what i appreciate much in this video.

[@themarchinggoblin8294]

Im trying to get my girlfriend into dungeon crawlers, would this be an ideal game to try, difficulty and attention wise? Was thinking of getting the adventurers companion to go with it. The other option was a game called bag of dungeon which I believe was kickstarted. Same idea but alot simpler and half the price. We have played zombies!!! together and she enjoyed that. Great video, subscribed!

[@seahawk8601]

i think it is a great game to start with along with the adventurers companion

[@themarchinggoblin8294]

Thanks for reply. Got it being delivered on friday. Unfortunately the companion won't arrive till mid next week. Running a campaign and having downtime was something that I really loved back in the day with the old warhammet quest. That big thick roleplaying book! Hoping to rediscover something like that

[@homelessjoe]

Wow! If it were me Oren, I would not only return the double Dungeon Saga items, but I would also return the main game based off of their shady pre order selling practices. I hope it doesn't sour the game when you play it. Good luck.

[@dfernand101]

There's just one copy in the whole of Madrid Spain (in English thankfully) and I'm really, really tempted. I'm that guy that has every single Descent 2nd edition game/expansion/add ons etc btw You said that your wife bought you Bloodbowl as your first game ? that's a nice lady you got there ! btw did you know that Hero SCAPE (corrected from quest) is not available any more ? boxes go for around £400+ used !! Same for Mad Max Fury Road from MB.

[@bobdole8830]

I'm still waiting for my Dark Souls the Boardgame pledge. I think it has been 3 years now that it's due? Maybe 4? It's always annoying/frustrating to wait for a game and either be lied to or not informed at all by the publisher, but I guess a few months is still okayish

[@seahawk8601]

hope you got it

[@asmodeusvadrigar2371]

Hi Robert. I've actually played solo play for this game; to be honest, it's a little... unclear, RAW. Mucho house ruling required. There's a FAQ on Jake Thornton's blog here: www.quirkworthy.com/2015/11/11/dungeon-saga-faq/ which makes some things a little clearer. There's also a downloadable PDF of the Adventurer's Companion if you wanted a sneak peak (although you won't be able to use much of it without the card decks).

[@iankinnell5643]

Blood bowl is back & still popular there's league in most areas

[@seahawk8601]

ummm i know

[@manolisvlahos]

Unfortunatelly once again it's proven that every aspect of our life is depending on numbers.In a hobby like boardgaming that's not getting any airtime in big tv networks you would expect a different kind of approach and reaction.But no.I guess the businessman side prevailed and the gamer side that should have made them provide you that little piece of information you asked never surfaced.Bad way to handle a situation that ultimately would have benefited their reputation and their game.Still looking forward to see the game presented by you Rob.Go for it.

[@manolisvlahos]

you had all the good intentions and still you give them credit.Time will come as you said and they will have to reconsider

[@petejones284]

I won a £40 gameshop voucher at our Clubs Christmas Party last week so picked up the Dungeon Saga boxed game for an extra £5 of my own cash. The game looks amazing. I had to dip 4 or 5 figures into a cup of boiling water for about 10 seconds and then straighten then up. Once they cooled they remained in pose. I have now painted all the figures and furiture and they look fabulous painted. Hoping to get this on the table over Christmas. Although the Adventure Companion book has been delayed because of printing errors you can find a PDF copy on Jake Thorntons blog (quirkworthy.com/2015/11/11/dungeon-saga-faq/) on the Dungeon Saga FAQ page.

[@ROBHELL82]

Great vid! But I cant make up my mind. Should i buy Dungeon Saga or buy a used HeroQuest box from ebay? I would really like to get my hands on a old HQ box with most of it init, i did not play it as a kid, still new for me. Are Mantic gonna survive the "comeback" from GW with Bloodbowl, Epic, Necromunda etc.. And maybe *praytotheboardgamesgods* Heroquest? I love Dreadball from Mantic, but sadly its not so popular. And on a VERY popular miniaturemarket site they are selling Mantic products as "RIP" sale atm? Whats up with that? If they had the time & money to make more Dungeon Saga expansions, i might buy this game, otherwise i gonna keep searching the ebays & wait and see what GW gonna release :) Have a good one sir!

[@ROBHELL82]

+robert oren Thanks for the input. I gonna head to my local store tomorrow and purchase The Dungeon Saga, and maybe the cheaper box that i assume is some sort of expansion box. It looks the same as Dwarfen Kings, but it is another color and half the price.

[@TiberiusWallace]

The irony here is that Dice Tower has more subscribers than Beasts of War and they paid for an advert week on that channel.

[@garfieldwithissuez]

+robert oren Overall I like your video (Enough to be a new sub because of it ^.^ ) but there was a content list both on the kickstarter and on the Mantic Web store. The Skeletons are okay (the ones with the scythe stink but the sword/shield ones hold up). As someone who picked up everything at once on the KS (So I've got all the expansions and the Adventurer's companion) I can say that the random dungeon generator is great and the single player mode looks good (I'm going to play my first single player game tomorrow so I'll let you know). As far as the distribution SNAFU? It was 100% Alliance games fault. They had the shipment in early November (I forget the date) but didn't start shipping till the Monday after Thanksgiving (and were doing about 80/day at that). They actually lied to Mantic as well saying they had shipped all of the orders in the US by 3rd December however a friend's backer packages was post marked the Monday after (Dec 7th?). I have called and spoken with the folks at Mantic and they were really apologetic, apparently they've had a few people leave the company recently and it's caused all kinds of crap with communication issues too (I waited on an email reply to a question for 3 months before calling them). My recommendation is to give them a call and ask to speak with Ronnie. Good luck and thanks for the video.

[@kimjensen4977]

I wanna hear about your fridge! 😅

[@seahawk8601]

That was my old home

[@kimjensen4977]

@@seahawk8601 I’m a late comer. 😉 Thanks for answering. 🙂

[@babilonPL]

hey dude. really like your review. im a ks ds pledger and on thing im gonna tell you overall game is a beautifull product but its nothing like warhammer quest. first of all theres no fluff at all and solo/co-op rules against iq its a joke right now. Adventurers Companion you are ref too wasnt readproof so printed book is full of mistakes bugs and uncleared rules so yeah this one is full ups and downs ;)

[@babilonPL]

+shithead2415 its a tough cookie caus it depends of preferences. its got simple and straight forward basic (as 4 the core game) rules. better strimlaned and i think i like them better. cards and tiles are the same quality as descent, minis are better detailed and i like it more than descent. but sometimes their bend nothin that hot water couldnt fix but still. in dungeons theres no exploration or nothin more than fight and opening locks. i dont like character scheets, they seem bit empty to me and there is only one picture of your character and legendary (leveled up) side have non just an empty space and overlord panel and scheets a bit flimsy. overall its a nice product beautifull book box and so one but thats it core game is yet another dungeon crawler. if you want something more from it you have to buy Adventurers Companion. there you find rules for traps and more monsters, leveling up, downtime, creating your own hero (some rules need urgent clarification cause they contradict eachother), uncharted dungeon creator(rules need faq) solo and co-op (pice of crap not bearly working sandbox) theres also no fluff and scenarios at all. so comparing to Warhammer Quest its lets say week and not what its advertised). mantic staits that all problems gonna be fix but for right now it is what it is. but dude its just my opinion. i own advanced heroquest and warhammer quest, dungeon saga was suppose to be better or equal and in terms of quality it is far more, but in any other in my opinnion games workshop still kick mantics ass

[@LeeroyPorkins]

What is the learning curve? From what I've played in order of hardest to easiest: Sword & Sorcery Descent Journeys in the Dark: Second Edition Massive Darkness Dungeons and Dragons Adventure Games

[@seahawk8601]

it is the easiest of the three

[@LeeroyPorkins]

Rob's Tabletop World Thanks

yeah, the models are really fragile. already one of my zombies is broken

[@StuartKerrigan]

Sorry you bought a lot of duplicate stuff. I wasn't sure was the Halls of Dolgarth was something new or not. The Legendary Heroes are different minis - they're your heroes 'levelled up' with all the magic equipment.

[@DougWIngate]

This is a fantastic game that had its reputation destroyed by some bad quality control and a few bad marketing decisions

[@seahawk8601]

Yep

[@geo088]

Im too disappointed of them, big shame that they show some beautiful add-ons, example:"resin counter upgrade" the items I received are nothing like the gorgeous ones they advertised. I only bought those addons to use them with shadows of brimstone, and bought 3 of them hehe.

[@colinspeirs]

Thank you for that Oren. I think Mantic, which seems like a two men and a dog kind of operation, got overwhelmed this year with the interest in KoW 2 & Dungeon Saga It's a shame that you got doubles you didn't need to get though. there should have been more info. based on this one video you have a new subscriber only, less of this toy soldier nonsense. let's hear more about the fridge!

[@colinspeirs]

+robert oren ouch Robert! I hope it all settles down and you have a fantastic 2016

[@troelsrohde2134]

Rip off?!?!? Have you ever played Blood Bowl? Those games are very different. They are sports games with a campaign part... end.of.comparrison.

[@Ssiner69]

true to your own spirit has always been my motto, thanks for an actual and video full of pragmatic though. Respect to you Sir Robert from an humble passionnate hobbyst and board games player like you from France. Too many channels i won't named are acting exactly as you pointing out there. Doing short cause english ain't my native langage : thumbs up , cheers. I look more into your channel.