SEAL TWISTING IS BACK?! PUTTING IT TO THE TEST

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[@Kenji-117]

Bro I really wished they would fix the useless spells for paladins because there are too many runes just dead and the other problem is that stuff like taunt or Exorcism on all targets should be skillbooks rather than a rune that blocks out other support abilities because paladin already started with less combat abilities than any other classes. Even priests got the Shadowfiend as a bonus skillbook

[@Kshaadoo]

We are here just to suffer

[@whoopsie321]

literally the only person that wanted this was Esfand 💀

[@LaserDeath007]

And he doesn't even play SOD and he's trash at the game

[@drafman1]

esfand sits playing gta RP all day like a weirdo lmao. he doesnt even play wow anymore

[@whoopsie321]

@@drafman1 cool story?

[@TBou_nyncuk]

Savix is literally cope machine when ret get buffs in sod xD

[@Basojin]

the only thing that got twisted was the ret paladins nutz. lmao

[@Savixirl]

Comix if you see this AMAZING EDITS Sir

[@MalachitesBiggestFan]

Go farm stv LULW

[@monsoon1234567890]

10:18 "That Shaman right there? I'm going to make him re-roll Paladin right now chat" - Savix 10:28 "I LOVE BEING A SHAMAN!!!" - Shaman probably

[@dimitrikoger304]

funny thing is it was the boomkin pveing him that actually killed him not the shaman lol

[@shenaneganz2762]

Soooo happy to see this, I spent forever last night wondering wtf I was doing wrong! It's just bad, exorcism spam is better lol

[@karljohanlindberg7273]

yoo Savix! A question. If u cant afford the 15 str on weapon, what enchant do u recommend? :)

[@pallytime2156]

I think it would have been better if Exorcism Crits of some other crit "cause your next Seal Cast to NOT proc a GCD within the next 4s"... like give us the seal twist sure... but also free up the GCD to do so.

[@jesselin1665]

It feels bad because SoC used to proc an extra martyr. In SoD it doesn’t. 3 hits when we’re used to 4. In tbc you could get 6 hits in the same auto with windfury.

[@HelloJTello]

lol yea the twist is like there but not really all there 😆It's a baby version in comparison to TBC days. I think it was proc'n for Command/Martyr but they silently nerfed it overall so now we ain't getting 4 hits, but more like 3 if it hits. I do think in pvp this may be worth more it's value but Exo/SOM is still the play in PVE for best dmg & tbh still better in PVP for now.

[@evanmcauley4788]

I've been doing martyr with righteousness instead of SoC because it's consistent, and I', only twisting between other spells. Like crusader, judge, and exo are on cd so I throw in a twist

[@usedcolouringbook8798]

Only twist that's worked from day one

[@TBou_nyncuk]

@@usedcolouringbook8798 actually you could twist all damage seals with justice and even stun people from judgment from SoM and SoC (sause SoR count as spell, not melee attack) if you have damage seal on you, then judge and immediately cast seal of justice to have a dicent chance to stun.

[@JaRms47]

Issue with SoR over SoC is you need to use the max rank for maximum damage. So it’s extremely mana inefficient

[@mirthonline]

wish they would just make a "seal twist" rune where you can just combine two seals into one. like kirby

[@johankungen2954]

What is that song called with heavy bass that keeps repeating?

[@Kshaadoo]

I love your videos man, makes me laugh so much, keep it up!

[@giantslug6969]

It definitely works and Martyrdom does indeed proc from the Seal of Command, but at the cost of staring at a swing timer the entire fight.

[@usedcolouringbook8798]

6:06 Reckoning is still here bb

[@requiemsgv]

What Ui addon you using?

[@Rapha248]

dude, This is by far the video that made me laugh the most, the edit and the faces omg hahahaha!

[@prelunatic]

me: can we get seal twisting like in TBC? mom: we got seal twisting at home seal twisting at home:

[@johnwick9367]

What savi dont ralize is that in tbc martyr would proc from soc procs and here it wont, just from weapon swing so its kinda useless in pve

[@JonezBBQ]

Wait so that means that martyr could proc twice? Once from the normal weapon swing and then again from the Soc proc???

[@TBou_nyncuk]

@@JonezBBQ thats how it works back in tbc and tbc classic

[@JonezBBQ]

@@TBou_nyncuk I never knew that. Thanks!

[@SlarkeSSC]

Was bugged, SoC is now proccing SoM. But he's also using a lvl 40 weapon so he just doesn't hit that hard. But twisting is probably dead regardless, globals are pretty busy, and even then SoR is probably better to twist with for consistency.

[@patcherinokripperinopatche7245]

Is it true?Now soc can proc som?​@@SlarkeSSC

[@grabeck666]

Why not twist SoM with SoR? Consistent and also can crit now?

[@obviouslymikey9389]

I just want to use divine storm, they need to buff it so bad.

[@Dovecar388]

Just make it holy damage

[@bradleegoris7217]

Anyone know whats that weakaura in the middle of his screen

[@clorett15]

Check his video on what add ons he uses. It’s pretty easy to follow along

[@ruslanannamammedov9740]

Great video

[@user-ir8cg3yd1j]

Once a day , so randomly i tried twisting from command to Martyrdom, instead of the opposite way , and some numbers appeared on the screen which was satisfying 🎉 4:00

[@eaglefreedom5361]

This is wild! Ret used to be so iconic. Now it is just ick.

[@shani9andri11]

4:05 LMFAO

[@Trezan]

I'm definitely rolling paladin after this video ppc

[@Naeinsengimnida]

The twist seems to work only from SoC to Martyr but not the other way around.

[@lexas1234]

This Was kind of expected tbf

[@MD-ee2fq]

I like seal twisting, but i hope its not that a huge difference in dps so people dont feel forced to do it if they dont want to

[@colton6806]

Currently, Martyr doesn't get the benefit from command proc like it did in tbc.. However, it's a 2 way twist instead of needing to be command first

[@Asianthewock]

I can still hear a faint echo into the distance: "paladins are not supposed to be tanks they are not supposed to be dps they are supposed to be healers".

[@RetPaladin1989]

WE ARE BACK

[@kidu2k3]

how is called the addone for runes change?

[@girthpapi]

Engraver

[@kidu2k3]

@@girthpapi ty m8 :)

[@vitalypavlov6049]

There aren’t a lot of numbers because SoC doesn’t provoke a second hit from SoM, as it did on TBC, and in PVE the speed of the weapon is 1.5-2, it definitely won’t work there))

[@stenchinator]

As of late last night, they hotfixed the twist so Command procs another Marty!

[@browniesbytes305]

SoM and SoC just want opposing wep speeds twisting those two won’t be decent dps gain unless they unnormalize SoM. And for all the twisting nay sayers regardless of twisting being the “meta” dps. You should still twist not as a major part of your normal dps rotation but just in general it is a staple mechanic of paladins and you should be taking advantage of it. This change has not “added” twisting is just makes those two seal twistable. And tbh SoR is prob more worth to twist into. Specially with how fast our weps are. Lastly any paladin worth their salt already has a swing timer anyways

[@omarlozano9374]

Why does SoM prefer faster weapons? It’s a flat amount of damage based on your weapon. So two weapons with the same dps should produce the same amount of damage. But even then, slow weapons win out since their judges hit harder.

[@browniesbytes305]

@@omarlozano9374 SoM is normalized so no matter the speed of your weapon it will use 3.3 wep speed (2h) to calculate the damage. The judgement is not normalized so Judgement of martyr is better the slower your weapon.

[@omarlozano9374]

@@browniesbytes305 oh, wow. Then yeah, that is definitely a nerf on the twisting play style

[@jesselin1665]

UPDATE: SHADOW HOT FIX Twisting works and SoR crits now proc art of war.

[@kuyt3400]

Im beggining to think they should have just given us wotlk talent trees with the discoveries being extra talent point questlines.

[@jwillz6067]

im at 23.5% cr. im hitting pretty well my self. i did stack agil enchants so i may be a dumb dumb.

[@knarf427]

Low hit and lvl 40 weap on 50 armor make alot of difference

[@powercheif]

Savix needs to upgrade his weapon so he can properly test the twisting

[@juckles816]

We got the baby seal twisting

[@margaerytyrell4177]

CYBERPUNK MENTIONED RAHHHH 03:44

[@ryanvue5328]

Aggrend is probably watching this right now.

[@Skuffed_Skuff]

give pallys a short charge like a leap of holypower

[@kuyt3400]

Divine steed or long arm of the law!!! Or bothhhhh!!!

[@girthpapi]

Divine Steed fuck no. Long Arm though, fuck yes.

[@chc2650]

Wings of Liberty

[@kuyt3400]

Twisting is so lame and unfun imo. The only reason they did this is bcuz esfand whined about it early on so they thought we wanted it but we don't. It's bad design and now Pala don't get real buffs.

[@havitins419]

Best thing about it is Esfand doesnt even play lol

[@rocolocoization]

If it wasn’t clear yet that Blizz is just winging it all at this point I don’t know what will

[@user-tj5yg5pk8v]

If you say BOOM! When you twist, it adds 25% to crit.

[@olololo4807]

this is like the real ret copium from vanilla.

[@wrongix6544]

I love pala but i really dont wanna seal twist man ;_;. I love how they play in sod... couldnt they just buff the dmg ;_________;

[@Davidhenry1210]

Don't get it twisted

[@Savixirl]

LMAOOO

[@DMalek]

Can we get whoever is pala main dev in sod moved ro something else at blizz? I mean, there is clearly 0 interest to actually do something cool for us. I have never twisted and never will. Its a stupid min max mechanic, which sod is absolutely not about. It amazes me how much bullshit we need to get. We lack so far behind other classes its not even fun anymore. All we got this time was SoR can crit, seal NOONE uses. The refresh on seal with CS is something we should have had since phase 1 tbh.

[@lugano_wow]

They said they will remake all ret gameplay before next phase and this is just a small patch with a little thing for slow 2h.

[@DMalek]

@@lugano_wow cant trust them, they been keep saying that many times. When all they can do is to give us a bug, you know its really bad

[@lugano_wow]

@@DMalek a bug and a feature are separeted by giant grey area (saying as a dev). Still, they will not make twist super strong because they know paladin have the most dad 23 child 2hours a day to play community

[@birusik]

Join ab as a priest, target pallys and spam dispel. This is how you make paladin players re-roll to more viable class.

[@user-oh7fv6ds3k]

Just watch if command stays for 0,1 sec when u change to mart

[@heizellyellow3587]

Seal of blood was hitting twice when SoC proc, marthyr hits only one time… seal twisting dead on arrival. :,( SoC should be just passive at this point.

[@user-gr6ch5ty5q]

Savix wtf boom over 9000

[@WOWLionblood]

PPC ❤

[@Cheesemane]

Using a lvl 40 weapon probably isn’t the best choice for testing seal twist damage

[@timsummers7526]

EXCUSE ME - What is that AoW Weakaura?!?!?!

[@eaglefreedom5361]

Soneesonae?

[@gonzalezruben8503]

There's a lot more reasons why twisting was viable, the lack of expertise to reduce chance to dodge from enemies means twisting out the gate is already worse than TBC.

[@hofaho]

My friends quit wow last month and I have lost my motivation to play, maybe just waiting for war within. I hope you still enjoying the game.

[@jimmyhopkins4095]

ok

[@thekrizzo93]

I swear I watched you age as it continued not to proc 😂

[@mantequillas1278]

We could've gotten a better rework with devine storm and using slower 2h weapons better. But instead people wanted this garbage. The loudest people always get what they want.

[@gasolinefires]

And the paladin discord mods all love twisting so if you say anything against it they dog pile you

[@lugano_wow]

@@gasolinefires Because blizz said that they will rework paladin to get away from fast 2h AND enabling twist is not making twist the meta. Most people against twist think they will make twist the new meta, but its just a lie they created in their heads.

[@Vic-qp1gk]

People crying about twisting are the ones who suck at it. Those who do it great do loads more dmg lol "git gud kiddos"

[@celestiangaming87]

Who's to say we won't also get a buff to divine storm as well? Be patient, our time is almost here.

[@user-oh7fv6ds3k]

in tbc seal of command proc made seal of blood proc. here it doesnt. those devs team are so clueless what they are doing

[@gasolinefires]

Seal twisting is trash. 18 year bug they're building on lmfao.

[@Mscmann]

damn Noodleboy

[@MrAngerius]

The last message shouldve been "I will roll a better class and try next week". In all honesty, I really loved classic pvp but in SoD I fucking hate paladins, I swear to God every alliance lobby is 5-6 ret paladins thinking that they are playing some OP class and ruining everyone else's experience and just griefing the entire lobby. It is so annoying, I love Savix, but I absolutely hate him and Esfand and McConel for hyping ret paladin class, they are just losing to every class in PvP, these new ret players dont bop their healers, dont loh their main dps, they dont cleanse shit... I've never hated people for playing a class in WoW but ret paladins made me reroll to horde just so that I can go and kill all of them either in bgs or open world pvp.

[@JonezBBQ]

I hate Seal Twisting. Such a wonky mechanic.

[@AtilonWoW]

Then don’t do it?

[@JonezBBQ]

@@AtilonWoW what an ignorant comment... if it becomes the #1 dps method then I’m kinda forced to do it, am I not?

[@TBou_nyncuk]

@@JonezBBQ As funny as it is, I've often read that the downside of seal twisting is that it requires a swingtimer, and this same person claims that if it's going to be a meta he'll have to do it. Bro, you playing on paladin without swing timer what the hell do you care about meta ?

[@JonezBBQ]

@@TBou_nyncuk Another ignorant comment 👍

[@samg8939]

@@JonezBBQ hahahahahaha I laughed at people like you during TBC and I laugh at you now HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[@turdnugget2359]

damn my man looking mad handsome in this vid

[@kithus5461]

I mean guys...he's trying to hit players with full rank 7 gear with a level 40 weapon. I been hitting pvp with the level 50 stv weapon and i have been cloking folks like crazy.

[@pallytime2156]

Your PvP gearing and Rune Selection SUCKS... Especially with the new Twist options. Try the following instead... 1. Use Str/Agi/Stam 3/6 and Str/Stam/Int/Spell Power 3/6 for +15 Stam x2. Gear more stam Heavy in General, You should be nearly 4500hp unbuffed in IF. 2. You can go Art of War OR Crusader Strike but NOT BOTH. One of those needs to be a durability increase rune... Hand of Reck or Sacred Shield or BOTH with new twist option. 3. Use Divine Storm, Command Twisting with SoR. Slow 2 Hander. Hand of Reck + Sacred Shield for increased Durability, And freer GCD usage. This last bit becomes even MORE important when you factor in your need to use cleanse quite a bit. Art of War and CS are Opportunity costed against other rune options AND other GCD options such as Twisting and Cleansing.

[@Valkemen]

Pallytime becomes Savix's trainer, hilarious, but it might works.

[@patcherinokripperinopatche7245]

Usec soc+sor twist is not that good idea, u gonna be oomed in pvp/pve very fast

[@PyroClit]

Thank god i quit as Ret. That is pathetic.haha

[@user-bh5gy4sj3m]

no crit no dmg

[@user-lw5hv7ul9n]

Sod Pala RIP 😢😢

[@user-lw5hv7ul9n]

50% Buggy

[@kerokupo]

twisting is a big L for sod

[@krakkenyou1925]

Unless they take exorcism off the gcd it will never be viable

[@worldofmorphcraft6588]

It's not seal twisting its Eggrands shit version of it. Its missing another attack.

[@chc2650]

PvP aura has everyone's damage reduced by 40%. You should test this in PvE where its intended.

[@sunni6647]

sealtwist was always bad - it always has been og windfury who carried ur little sad weekly killquest pally dmg now back to ur healspec and buff the real dps classes might and kings

[@pascalyildiz3966]

:D

[@Chaosfeed]

Does absolutely nothing for pve as itll never compare to Exo spam, prolly an ok buff for pvp but thats about it

[@justinTime077]

when will you find time to be burning your mana with twisting when we actualyl have powerful skills to use that ARE mana efficient? thats dumb ese.

[@krucible9369]

SOD class design is so whack. All these broken and incomplete classes just getting band aids added. Retail and Wrath Paladin are far superior in their designs.

[@kuyt3400]

Retail Pala looks fun. Actual good class design.

[@ceh885]

Twisting is such an outdated mechanic. Just classic andys asked for that. With new runes it has no place in sod. We need massive better mana sustain, buff crusader strike and divine storm + lover cd. Additionally make soc 125% dmg procc, not low ass 70. Maybe even a slow too. It is time 20 years of shit paladins are over and they get the sod enhance treatment. Make them desirable! Currently all i hear in bg "uff 3 rets, 3 wasted slots!!!"

[@MrDarkkeon]

its a worst idea from blizzard. Pls Give us more porefull DS and seals duration like WOTLK. NO!!! TAKE bag from BC "sealtwisting"

[@Rinacgolf]

Absolute fail by blizzard . Instead of trying to improve the paladin and try something new they go back to a bug from classic.

[@KhaoticKaos]

Seal Twisting is BASED. TBC ret was peak. I hope they figure out how to make it viable.

[@samg8939]

yeah it was the best ret paladin has ever been, in any of the expansions that mattered. in conjunction with windfury totem, it was amazing.

[@DominicanHater2375]

I don't. I think sod paladin play style is really good where it is and seal twisting just over complicates

[@mantequillas1278]

Someone hasn't played retail ret.

[@vitalypavlov6049]

Потому что там кнопок не было, и не было искуства войны

[@LuisHernandez-nu1es]

...and ret wasn't back

[@Thwompcrew]

The embodiment of cope of the paladin community.

[@drafman1]

probably shouldnt "test" this with a weapon 10 levels lower than you bro?

[@TheRealJonster]

Twist these nuts. This broken "mechanic" can SUCK IT! Not going to glue my eyes to some stupid swing timer, not going to bother

[@Cyanoblades]

Seal twisting is such trash gameplay

[@Thor_Asgard_]

worst "buff" ever. Doesent work correctly. Doesent fit into the hectical meta. Fast attack speeds make it not playable with global cooldowns. Ive done hours of testing today, and its bad. They should just buff command and give you multiple options to play the damn thing. Also a gapcloser for pvp would be much more important then this shit.

[@joelw959595]

You look like a son of a rich investor, stay true to the wow community, swap back

[@Shockdoctor_OG]

This is literally wotlk without resilience gear. Its already boring af or is it just me? Sod is just a 1 shot burst pvp meta and a typical classic wow melee dps fest in pve. It's just another classic andy time waster. Retail looking real good right now