Seal Twisting is HERE! Shadow & Balance Buffed! Rogue Tuning & More! Season of Discovery Phase 3

[@H-D-D]

The three worst specs in raids spriest, boomy, and ele are also the biggest terrorists in pvp

[@Starscourgex]

lets keep it that way :)) (boomkin here) I like pumping in pvp over the parse cult in raids

[@wrongix6544]

Boomie is only good if they have a party or get the jump on you otherwise they are trash af in pvp. But yes they can do alot of dmg, that is not everything in pvp tho

[@matthewramirez1556]

@@wrongix6544not true that can easily kill most classes u must of not fought any good boomkin before there starserge does insane dmg and its instant

[@wrongix6544]

@@matthewramirez1556 That was at the start of phase 2 and only for a week... then they got nerfed to do 300-500 dmg dude :O Now we are in phase 3 and it does like 600. You must mean starfire it does crit for like 2-3k but it has a cast and boomie has no panic buttons to survive other classes burst dmg.

[@wrongix6544]

@@matthewramirez1556 Starsurge does like 600 dmg now. It was OP at the start of phase 2 but then got nerfed. Now the only big hit boomie has is starfire but that has castime and druid have no panic buttons so you can kill them easily if you get on them.

[@FlubbersQuid]

The seal Twisting change for paladin is the dumbest thing ever for actual Dps, sacrificing a global cooldown in order to trigger one melee swing worth of extra damage is just bad. Factor in that the subsequent attacks now deal way less damage since SotM is roughly two times stronger than SoR. The increased mana usage while twisting also results in a net DPS loss even before facturing in that Exorcism already fills most of your globals anyway.

[@Velvydian]

rejoice? REJOICE? seal twisting is useless in it's current state, we first need a buff to soc and rest of the kit for it to be anywhere near useful, who has the gcd to waste on a seal twist when you exo every gcd

[@neoikake]

Yeah creasy that People whant that back when it was born becose paladin had the free globals...

[@xenobladefan11]

Hell only deep Prot can do it. But only a few are deep Prot. Like I am and I can hold threat as it. ST especially

[@zhowdeshell]

@Bradolol-tx5pc not to mention the BiS weapon gives you very little time to fit that in on a 2.00 swing time, maybe if they remove martyrs damage normalization.

[@palmenable]

seal twist is boring AF :( the exo build is actually fun, but Soc would be nice to be able to play with aswell!

[@Petemossfunguy]

yeah this guy doesn't play paladin or understand them at all; he's a FoTM andy

[@minalaminala141]

Spriest are going to be even more busted in PvP. Fantastic.

[@H-D-D]

Yeah wtf.... 2 dots kill anyone with no heals to stop it... now they do 10% more dmg

[@syllex2849]

Get some food and eat kek

[@Printzor]

@@syllex2849as a spriest, I can assure you no food survives the dot ticks ;)

[@syllex2849]

Im a spriest and that depends which food you using xD

[@vaughancherrington-riley7008]

Feels good to be a Spriest :)

[@tz7763]

seal twisting was done because you had nothing to press. with exorcism slot machine this is completely pointless

[@Lanceloot91]

10% SP DMG IS INSANE pvp is gonna be hell for eveyrone else

[@Alderman8]

🎉

[@eduardomaldonado1647]

If you can't kill a SP in about 24 seconds you SUCK dude.

[@zometthecomet]

😂 it’s already been hell

[@jacobvest3750]

MWAHAHAHAHA

[@vugaddi160]

MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@mosespedrosian5940]

Just give Priests another dot that scales with your targets maximum hp, this way it can do decent damage on bosses and low damage on normal mobs and players.

[@danielcanty5727]

Thats a great idea!

[@Deearegee17]

Another dot is not the answer. Next phase all priests will be able to get DP anyways. 4 dots would be literal aids in pvp and aids to play in pve

[@danielcanty5727]

@@Deearegee17 Maybe change Void Plague to make it scale with hp. Also warlocks have 4 dots at this point if I remember correctly.

[@CCProofPlayer]

How is seal twisting more powerful than exorcism every GCD. Going back in terms of design is BAD. The current state of ret is sad, but twisting is not the way forward.

[@benjamn8557]

I do not like seal twisting. Now I need to download an addon and watch a damn swing timer instead of watching my raid for my utility spells.. I dislike this :/ Buff other pally spells, not implement an unintended bug back into the game.

[@Fucking_Legend]

Agreed it sucks seal Twisting, to many noobs requesting this shit

[@Messametti]

Cant understand why people like to watch a swing timer the entire time and play a fucking quick time event. Tried it in BC Classic and gave up after a few minutes because its a bullshit playstyle.

[@regsegrregerge5485]

@@Fucking_Legend Rofl, this is the most delusional thing I've ever heard. Seal twisting will actually greatly increase the skill ceiling of ret

[@regsegrregerge5485]

Idk I think this is the best buff they could possibly do as it makes the class super interesting to play again. Once you get used to the weapon swings you do not need to watch the swing timer constantly, it'll be second nature just like musicians playing with to a certain tempo. You can still pay attention to the utility spells.

[@kent-ingestensen5371]

Lmao, you will get muscle memory and won’t have to look on the swing timer, trust me! I went into tbc trying it and it wasnt a days work , just played and it came naturally. It feels much better than button mashing on a boss. Its rewarding as hell and i would deffo try it before you talk shit about it. Much love

[@mujexzilla]

Even if seal twisting works now, the problem is mana regen.. at least at the moment, hopefully we get a mana regen ability in phase 4. But at the moment switching between comand and martyr will oom you farely quickly. And ofc if you use seal of martyrdom you loose divine storm and thus your only consistent source of cleave. Am I curious how much of a dps gain twisting is as of phase 3 though.

[@danielcanty5727]

Meanwhile Paladins having one of the best AoE Spells in the game.

[@daviddoebel7551]

1) Twisting is nowhere near competitive DPS while SoM is normalised and fast 2h exist 2) The worst part about twisting isnt the controversial mechanic itself, but the mouthbreathers that think its any more skillful than the exo spam lmao

[@DominicanHater2375]

I did not want seal twisting back.

[@TheSaltyAdmiral]

Nobody who enjoy good game design want it back. It was fun back in the day because it was a "hack", but as intentional gameplay it feels horrible.

[@valorf666]

but a popular streamer want it back who dont even play the game

[@Deearegee17]

It appears none of these changes actually went through to live servers.

[@spicylemon9339]

i reallly hope seal twisting doesnt become the main focus of the rotation again, it probably wont given all the new neat abilities already, but WOW was it so boring and soul sucking in tbc. like staring at this little bar reaching a gap so you can preform whats essentially an overglorified glitch instead of using actual class thematic abilities. was not worth the high parses, id rather have an ability that just modifies the auto hits to be holy or something if we really need to add

[@Frede4719]

Saying "paladins rejoice seal twisting is finally here" is the most out touch thing i've ever heard, the majority of rets dosen't like to look at swing timer and press a button at the right time. You are stuck in your top 1% echo chamber

[@Drevilkitteh]

Yeah, definitely not rejoicing. I don't like seal twisting as it puts everything into luck. Currently, while luck is still a factor, I can work on more crit to make the chance more likely. With Twisting, there is nothing I can do but hope for it to happen eventually

[@D1stortedF4ith]

@Bradolol-tx5pc its kinda cute how hard you're crying in the comments

[@danielandersson3067]

How the fuck do you play ret properly without a swing timer already? Can baddies stop giving their inputs.

[@devinconsla2540]

It’s funny I had just learned/ been doing since. twisting Mart with righteous seal and it worked well, I noticed the difference as I just got done playing, it does better dps with the crits, the small swing timer isn’t too ugly.

[@kickenkarlsson4340]

would have been great if they expanded the pet stable slots for hunters

[@Sarthetv]

I say quickly, then proceeded to talk for 10 minutes lol. Standard

[@27Zangle]

My goal is to get my boomkin finished in the next week and then work on my spriest or hunter. I would like to have everything at level 60 early on in the next phase but with my limited time, it might be best to just stick with one or two level 60s. My concern is how long will phase four last? I mean they have so much they can do with that phase it would be nice to phase four last longer than a month or two.

[@grayden8670]

Thank god I finished my honor grind for this phase already… priests even more broken in pvp is super cool

[@grayden8670]

@Bradolol-tx5pc tough guy 👍

[@weichmacher3973]

@Bradolol-tx5pc that sounds like a typical sp player

[@Toccen]

The change reads 15% per stack so that is an insane buff on the Sabreslash once you have the dots up

[@Villarax]

The best way to buff spriests/casters specifically in raid is to buff warlocks demonic pact and make it raid wide.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

"the only way to buff this class is to buff my class" nice try.

[@danielcanty5727]

Actually you won't see a lot of Warlocks that run Demonic Pact. Your not going to get a Destruction warlock to do so because Incinerate is just too good to pass by. Demonology Warlocks and Affliction Warlocks might but as neither of those are as good as Destruction, you don't see a lot of DPS Demo or Afflic Locks. Even most Tank Locks like to use Incinerate so their Searing Pain spams are better.

[@Packyouabowl]

RIP sod PvP hopes and dreams

[@JustLikeYou.]

Imagine trying to PvP in anything classic wow related lol

[@blommiiz]

So glad I just got done with my pvp'ing for this phase. Shadowpriests are already tier1 in PvP and they get a flat +10% damage done? What the actual fuck. Have fun you guys pvping xD

[@plantseeker5829]

Legit wtf! Cba😂😂

[@naturalyamazing]

wtb thrash cat (cat aoe), consumable/potting in cat form / innervate in cat. the shapeshift set piece mana reduction on shred is a step in the right direct, more of this, less of useless rake /rip, feroucious bite misses ALWAYS

[@Davidhenry1210]

Friendly reminder that damage isn't the reason your pug or guild can't get full raid clears. Buffs always welcomed though.

[@19sob]

after this.. there is no doubt in my mind that pvp is just off of their radar.

[@JustLikeYou.]

PvP has literally never been on the radar for classic wow lol you know whenever wow first came out there weren’t even PvP ranks right? Took even longer for WSG to be added. PvP in classic wow has literally always been an afterthought and the game doesn’t get balanced around PvP

[@NoksUndKutten]

Always has been, WoW was always a PvE first game

[@karldergrosse-333]

@@NoksUndKuttenyeah, that’s probably why the made two hostile factions. Pve game.

[@NoksUndKutten]

​@@karldergrosse-333 Yea? PvE first, PvP was always second - never meant to take priority. Like the ORIGINAL inspiration for WoW (Everquest).

[@losfisk]

Where are the resto shaman buffs

[@graceybfrg]

I think they implement seal twisting for command to be viable again and not having to only use a 2.0 speed weapon. Aka you don’t have to farm freakin sul’thraze for you to be anywhere near competative.. Imagine actually be able to use weapons from the raid?

[@flumpstick]

Free Darkmoonfair buff for boomkins is nice. But buffs should mostly be just dmg buffs ( We needed it this time though) I would like to see more buffs to their actual buffs. Moonkin aura might help us as a flat. Mana issues are removed from the game but imagive if Innervate gave moonkins A spell power Or crit increase to arcane spells (an idea at least) Helps that support / dps role feel more alive

[@majinmesun]

Where my god dam warlock buffs

[@Starscourgex]

bro warlocks are the best 1v1 class in the game what buffs do u need

[@JusYo1991]

in the trash bin with all warlocks where they belong

[@Printzor]

Really hope this is a joke

[@aitorsantiago7965]

Warlocks are the top 5 worst pve dmg (thx wclogs). A buff would be nice

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

why are you acting as if you didn't literally just get omegabuffed in the patch we literally just had like a week ago? stfu and pop your broken affliction.

[@arkdon477]

Why not make dots deal more dmg when using mind flay, or tick twice? how can they just buff flat dmg...

[@celestiangaming87]

Now when we get our rune in phase 4 that makes seals undispelable. We'll be unstoppable

[@Astronic]

Seal twisting is only good if you're a try hard. 90% of the casuals will probs hate it.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

time to l2p then. shouldn't cater to a lack of skill.

[@henriquedasilva3037]

When will this be live?

[@k1ller1nc]

Holly pally's beacon and sacred shield need to be longer buff, same with blessings. I mean the book moves it to 10 min but every other class with a buff is 45 min (except war, which is so frustrating to reapply every 2 min).

[@Cultist-Cat]

Great now I gotta play in an over complicated, add on required, rotation that’s going to be even more annoying then classic due to there even being more spells on global cooldown. Think I’m going to reclass. Also why do we even need this crusader strike change? All of the judgements we use refresh on melee already, and I guess let’s ignore the fact that divine storm, the rune a huge amount of people would rather use is still crap right now?

[@ianclancy5742]

@Bradolol-tx5pc found the shaman

[@ianclancy5742]

@Bradolol-tx5pc found the spriest

[@iliyanemanuilov5933]

I think I get enough of this game. I'll wait for War within. Shadow priest getting buffed is too much for me

[@imunfathomable]

Terrible "buff" to saber slash. It will take a lot more energy to get your 5 stacks of 3% and if they fall off due to being stunned or rng your dps is toast

[@imunfathomable]

@Bradolol-tx5pc you must be playing an ele shaman

[@Radric33]

I feel like they should give a look at Chaos bolt and make it work with shadowbolt talents and also change intensity to allow shadowbolt(chaos bolt) and incinerate have a chance to ignore pushback on cast to allow destro to be usable in pvp. Warlocks needs pushback ignore because we don't have utility or disengage outside of deathcoil a 3 min cd.

[@danielcanty5727]

We have Howl of Terror as well but that comes with its own Drawbacks I agree.

[@zacharyklewin3603]

Give deep survival a talent to make Aspect of the Wild increase the strength/melee ap of the user by some amount, and replace maybe Imp Feign Death talent with that. Make aspects work for the whole raid instead of just group so they not only get a better damage boost, but also now have raid-wide utility. Now you've given survival more damage and utility, you've made Aspect of the Wild an ability worth using, and also inadvertently solved a qol issue with Aspect of the Pack

[@danielcanty5727]

Just make Aspect of the Beast what it is in later expansions. +10% Melee Damage for the Hunter and Pet.

[@zacharyklewin3603]

@@danielcanty5727 yea aotb would be a cool option

[@Blueflamexsoul]

Looks like Tank Shamans running Elemental Fury/Flurry as their spec are getting hit pretty hard with this Mental Dexterity change. Granted it is a buff for tanking Trash but it is limiting it's boss tanking potential. Correct me if I am wrong though.

[@mattiasforsberg3845]

The 21/20 build is dead following this. Deep enha is going to be the stick from here on out sadly. Shaman tanks are dropping further and further behind the other tanks in terms of dps and survivability after each resent "tuning".

[@Thewannabeheroes]

Combined with opening free transfers from PvP to PvE realms. Guna be a huge change in class population on pvp realms soon. Guna be only shaman, priests left

[@teslatacos9806]

PvP is ruined by the Devs think that hybrid classes that can heal, have defensive cd's and bring other things to the raid need to do as much dmg as pure dps classes. Also can they nerf Pally damage while bubble is up, they just pop bubble offensively and train you down. Brain dead Blizzard Devs that cant balance PvE and PvP separately destroying their own game. GJ !

[@aznboy4life16]

i think the survival tree for hunters could be made into a tanking spec night elves have decent dodge hunter moves proc from dodging can range/pet pull into explosive trap tons of aoe and single target threat potential already built in do it blizzard!

[@overing07]

No... who would like to tank as a hunter? I want to do dmg, not tank, we don't have melee spec at all, its just melee runes with pet talents

[@Gr33nsurfer]

Seal twisting is a horrible playstyle. You need addons for it and then you are usually gcd capped allrdy with exo procs, crusader strike, reapply seal and cons. What is the fun looking at a 0.3 second window all the time... Sealtwisting was a thing when you had NOTHING to do in between auto attacks and crusader strike, I mean they can leave it if it is not mandatory for doing good dps... but realy not a great playstyle and based on a bug from years ago.

[@Rev0UK1]

spriest pve dps did need the buff butttttt in pvp, cant wait for only 1 dot to kill me ^^

[@Thor_Asgard_]

The complexity is not made for more complex fights. Seal twisting will probably be worse than martyr plus exor alone, because you loose so many procs with a slower weapon. I really dunno... shouldve increased the internal count for command from 7 to 10-12 for it to be viable with faster weapons.

[@Raavyx_]

The spriest and boomy buffs were so needed for anything outside of raids! finally they can hold their own in the open world and bg's! thank you aggrend

[@jefferyfulton4409]

I would like to know how they will deal with lavalash in Molten core... Enhancer is dead if the Fire Eles and Ragnaros cant be hit by it...

[@rustyshackleford3316]

good

[@CrixGuides]

I could see the changing the fire res in MC/BWL, since they did it in Gnomer with Bleeds/Drains

[@mattlars89]

wait so Burn basically increases flameshock damage by 500% now? What the heck

[@Kohbra22]

what are you talking about warriors man, Warriors are good when supported by full world buffs and an entire raid backing the warrior along with a hybrid spec specifically designed around hitting a raid boss every 30 minutes. What about after doing that 1 hour raid ? Whenever I go farm or Do bgs or events like stv or even just world pvp. The power from the raid does not translate, warrior is middle of the pack if not a bit lower when doing anything else in the game and thats not necessarily bad but its tiring for videos to describe warriors as god mode when melee hunters , shamans and rogues take the power they bring in raids and it translates to everything else they are doing. They are strong pvpers farmers and generally they are a powerful class within everything they do. Where as classes that may be weak in a raid environment are strong Pvpers and generally not weak doing everything else in the game. Even though rage is good in raids, it is a resource that needs to be built and pick up steam. Meaning that in pvp and generally solo or small group type content you wait for your resource to get going. So unless you have a healer with you ALWAYS it can be hard to farm or even pvp when classes with immediate resources like mana and energy can just unload on you, in a burst heavy game mode and warrior survivability, defensives aren't really there and it takes time for us to get going. Generally because of lack of fun runes and gladiator stance being a flop as far as a fun game mechanic and not just a damage modifier reducing you to one button in only raids mechanic, wars are really underwhelming in sod. I love warrior and played mainly only warrior since 2004 but blind loyalty is not the way and wish this class would just be allowed to do something different and cool

[@MaliceEightEight]

Rogues still need a 3k gold DMF trinket to have aoe dmg.

[@cotz5461]

7k on my server

[@danielcanty5727]

Warriors aren't great at AoE either. Warlocks can do it but they either have to talent into it or have someone else hold aggro (usually not a problem in raids but you get my point) and half their aoe spells DAMAGE THEMSELVES. Priests don't even have like an "AoE" spell other than like Holy Nova (Unless im forgetting something), Hunters have traps but if your not using a specific rune then you can't even do it in combat unless you get someone to hold aggro for you so you can Volley. Half the classes in the game have poor AoE options

[@MaliceEightEight]

@@danielcanty5727 warrriors have options to sweeping strikes+cleave+whirlwind. Warlocks have rain of fire, shadowbolt volley and hellfire as well as access to passive aoe in immolation. Rogues have shuriken toss as a fuckin rune. We are not the same. Hunters, Shamans, Priests, Palys and even druids have AoE. We’re literally the only class that doesnt.

[@danielcanty5727]

@@MaliceEightEight Lets think. Shadowbolt Volley and Immolation are both RUNES as you said the rogue one was. I concede that Warriors have more aoe than I rememberd thanks for the education. What AOE do preists have other than Holy Nova? Volley and Rain of fire get interupted if you try to use it without anything to slow. Hunters need Trap Launcher to be able to use traps in combat so they have to pre-trap. Paladin AOE is either rune locked or talent locked in consecration which means that movement is an issue. Besides. Rogues have THE MOST stuns out of any class in the game. Rogues are one of the best Single Target classes in the game.

[@Hades-oc6rf]

why bring seal twisting back? I for one didn't want that terrible mechanic back if they wanted to fix ret they could have buffed or added some abilities to make it more steady/smother. non of the paladins in my guild like seal twisting its a chore to time it right and the requirement for a addon makes it's it less friendly for new paladins to play meta

[@danielcanty5727]

Affliction Warlocks and Destruction warlocks SHOULD NOT BE GROUPED TOGETHER!!! Affliction is really behind right now and after the Lake of Fire nerf, Destruction is hugely nerfed right now. I think a way to buff Affliction while also not just giving them a flat damage increase would be to look at the Rune Soul Siphon. Basically all warlocks use Master Channeler (PvP) or Demonic Tactics (PvE) and if we made Soul Siphon do more damage based on all dots with no cap, Affliction might just be back in the game and you might make a rune viable as well.

[@justblaze7907]

It’s painfully obvious that blizzard doesn’t give two shits about PvP considering they buff and nerf based off raid parses nothing more nothing less all of these classes being buffed are OP in PvP so these buffs basically gunna ruin PvP

[@the_Acaman]

The saber slash buff is nice, but they should leave the max number of stacks as they were, and just make the dmg buff a +25% for each stack. Maybe then it would be closer to mutilate, as that doesn't need any build up. Also it's really sad that they haven't tried to help any of the dead runes many classes have, and that pvp isn't on their mind at all.

[@a.g.9360]

Massive nerf for ele shaman. Loosing around ~250sp, and aoe dmg will not help on single target boss fights.... They just killed elemental and will become the lowest dps 120%

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

yeah and thanks to ele shamans running absolute degen builds, enhancement got nerfed as a result, so thanks for that. you guys knew god damn well you weren't supposed to be "melee weaving" mental dex and you did it anyway, and you all knew blizzard would bring the hammer down hard on this, so good job, you just ruined spellhance tank because you wanted to hit big lava bursts through the most ineffective playstyle imaginable because MUH SIIIIIIIIIMS. i hope they gut elemental beyond anything but a pve turret now because you guys can't be trusted not to ruin it for enhancement players. your monkey business got our ability to tank nerfed, and you'll never be forgiven for that.

[@danielcanty5727]

@@ZugzugZugzugson So they are only allowed to stand their and shoot things? what like a Hunter? OH WAIT! even hunters used to Melee weave in-between their attacks. Shamans are a cool class that definitely need some nerfs but I think that people found an interesting way to play the class and use a rune that might not have been specifically designed for them is what SoD is all about. Discovery and ingenuity. Stop whining and go back to playing the best class in the game. You have nothing to complain about.

[@AscTuber]

But does my Sunder proc deep wounds yet?!

[@GokuIRL]

These Paladin changes aren't buffs it's just going to make it annoying to play Ret even more now

[@EZdoesit82992]

Seal twisting won’t see play for ret. Exo spam will destroy its dps

[@weichmacher3973]

"depending on how this works out" dont they have 20 people to test changes in a raid setting? dont they have some people that see how changes work out in pvp? they have so much money and resources but just change things without knowing how it will work out. every 10 year old can find a solution to buff shadow priest damage without a flat damage increase that ruins pvp even more, just buff the casted abilities that can be countered in pvp.

[@exajoules]

why they dont buff ferals? we dont have a single aoe we need swipe to be used in cat aswell it sucks beeing useless at trash^^

[@myphan]

Please give heroic leap for warriors in Phase 4

[@silentlamb2077]

Almost at 100k big dog. Hell yeah brother !!

[@cowbellsz7066]

Move hot streak to head slot for mages so it’s not just a single button rotation 👌🏼

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

I just hope they replace warriors consumed by rage rune with something, other than that dont touch anything blizz.

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

@Bradolol-tx5pc you ok?

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

@Bradolol-tx5pc you've commented 2 things now an neither of them make any sense

[@sidyaking]

If they don’t change the approach, pvp next phase will be a competition on who opens first :D

[@danielcanty5727]

What do you think it is Right now? as a Warlock, if I open on someone im going to stun them for 3 seconds (Felguard Charge), Cast Incinerate, Death Coil, cast Chaos Bolt. That kills most players and if they resist or something like that, they still have to kill me as a tanky boi with tons of stamina and the best self healing in the Game. However, if I get jumped by anyone I usually die because I can't get my self healing up and running and while im HP tanky, unless im in Metamorphasis i have shit armor and die. Same goes for most classes except Shamans who are HP tanky, Armor tanky, and can burst out the sun by casting lava burst as enhance and still 1 shot you.

[@3Nightbreeze]

"Making them [warriors] by far the strongest class in the game". WRONG! Warriors are only "the strongest" when buffed to the brim with all world buffs etc, and even then, they are only "the best" in raid dps. In all other areas they cannot currently hold a candle to the other classes. I would love it if they gave warriors something else apart from being the "best dps" in the game. As it stands, they actually have to be the best, because in all other areas other classes do better. So if it were for me, they could nerf warrior dps (which is only that strong bc they scale so well with attack power, which we have plenty of even now due to all the buffs, items etc) for the tradeoff of giving them something in areas where they do not have to rely on other classes. Farming as a warrior sucks. Leveling as a warrior sucks. Solo open world pvp? Yeah you better go afk -please note that I have not played gladiator stance, I heard that might be somewhat different, but i fking hate using a shield, just personal preference- . Tl;dr: Nerf warrior dps or rage if you have to, but give them better levelling/better soloing in return.

[@mastermindvideos898]

dont you know they decide to buff or nerf based on warcraftlogs?

[@Moleanimationchannel]

Healer mage mana needs adjusting

[@eduardomaldonado1647]

I hate this Phase 3 Season of Runes. Every phase Blizzard making Finding these damn Runes harder and harder.

[@undacuvabrotha]

you can just find them online...

[@danielcanty5727]

its supposed to be that way. I personally wish that I had not looked up the guides for them and had simply found them myself because its that whole Discovery aspect of the game that I enjoy. If you just want to be spoon fed content go to Retail or Cata.

[@billyboy-qn9pm]

wow moon/sun fire spam/ s priests dots are going to do more damage in pvp? fun.... not

[@zerodark8422]

Nobody is rejoicing… seal twisting sucks…

[@overing07]

I wish they rework Aim Shot for hunters, its useless, 3 sec cast for 600dmg flat to 1000-1200 crit dmg, and moonkin is doing Starfire for 2.5k-3k dmg crit

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

starfall is not even in the game.

[@overing07]

@@ZugzugZugzugson I meant Starfire

[@Verilis]

Can you update your druid guide again

[@mikeyveins601]

Affliction lock needs help. More nightfall proc chance or more damage to shadow bolts or something. They just aren’t good enough

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

you don't need shit. warlocks are monsters.

[@Doctorboster]

@@ZugzugZugzugson you realize like 99% of the playerbase doesn't give a shit about how good warlocks are in duels right?

[@Papalait]

Omen of Clarity should proc on every Faerie Fire(Feral) like in Wotlk

[@chc2650]

Buffing whoever cries the most is not how you balance a game. They have no vision or direction, they are just letting players guide this game off a cliff.

[@abominabro9932]

This live now?

[@xXHoRiiZoN32]

Mages mana still needs to be looked at. I’ve spent nearly 10,000 years drinking water

[@a.g.9360]

Get mara dagger

[@weichmacher3973]

get help, stop drinking

[@exhamahile]

"The worst two are boomy / spriest..." bro.... Arcane.... Mage.... it's right there!! Why does Bliz hate us sooo much :'( if they do anything to touch Arcane Surge for mages I'll be so sad, it's the ONLY thing they have going for them outside of raid healing at the minute!

[@zacharysmith1865]

Refusing to do pvp specific balance changes is going to continue to make SoD pvp horrible until they give in and start doing nerfs to damage against enemy players.

[@nickpascucci2761]

This is a hard nerf to ele period. It is a play style buff, sure. This change would be like telling mages or locks they lose 300 spell power and in exchange their lowest performing dot does 50% more damage (not 100% because you lose 300 spell power). The change is so bad ele might need to drop lava burst and use lava lash to keep mental dexterity.

[@slippers8000]

Don't think there's any way you drop lava burst. Either way it sucks essentially losing half your spell power for some proc/gcd efficiency.

[@nickpascucci2761]

@slippers8000 shaman discord posted updated Sims saying lava lash is now better than lava burst. Lash is a 180 dps loss compared to current and burst is a 240 dps loss. Also note resto shamans confirmed they will also be using lash so this patch just made both ele and resto be more like enhance

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

this is a nerf to ele AND spellhance tank (moreso spellhance since the entire spec is now gutted because we're forced to use stormstrike/lava lash). so thanks ele shamans, you ruined it for everybody. i hope the new burn rune is all you get for the rest of SOD so you can cry about being shit at every piece of content that actually matters.

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

@@nickpascucci2761 yeah and thanks to those assholes, lava lash is probably next on the list of nerfs, and the nerf will 100% affect a spec that ISN'T ele in the process. you guys should quit while you are ahead because you know god damn well blizzard doesn't want you to run lava lash as elemental, and like they just showed with this recent nerf, they will give you 1 warning (mental dex reduced to 10 seconds from 1 minute being your first warning) before they bring in the sledgehammer.

[@derryberry7991]

Rogues are among the top dps in ST, let’s buff them

[@f3korn]

Finally i can go ranged Elemental again, still with an big nerf to single target tho, they need to give ele some more love, gonna be worst dps class this coming update im afraid 😢

[@mouasta90]

my question is why arcane mage not getting any buffs they falling off hard

[@Villarax]

Because it's a healing spec

[@mastermindvideos898]

@@Villarax LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

pvp'd an arcane mage yesterday. got him to 10% with a dot ticking. dude popped mana shield and sheeped me for what felt like 10 minutes and instantly healed from 10% > 100% then he /laugh'd /dance'd and gutted me with a single arcane surge that took me from 100%>0% and then teabagged me. ya, arcane mage in desperate need of attention alright....

[@brandonkruse6412]

Don’t worry Shadows and Survivals, Cataclysm pre patch is in a week. 😂

[@wrongix6544]

Fuck seal twisting... Rip my pala

[@wrongix6544]

@Bradolol-tx5pc goddamn dude xd what the fck happened? Must be horrible for YOU that im gonna stop playing my pala haha

[@taufiiiiiiiiik]

Here i am spriest and boomkin user full of smile😁

[@Bman24641]

Major nerf to ele shamans (burn buff doesnt compensate losing MD); tank shamans now FORCED to be enhance (most were playing 21/20) with still no compensation to the garbage tank playstyle of enhancement.... what is blizz even doing? Tank shaman were already one of the worst tanks (lowest dmg) and now we're even worse. What is going on?

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

yea, and thanks to ele degens, tank shamans are now even worse off than before. didn't take the hint when they reduced mental dex to 10 seconds, and now we are here, so we can literally put all the blame on people who play elemental as this is purely 100% their fault.

[@Bman24641]

@@ZugzugZugzugson I don’t see how we blame ele players for this. Their dmg was in the gutter and burn was shit 😂 I blame blizzard for having, clearly, zero internal testing and no direction for how they want tank shamans to play

[@Loe7]

Bro what are you smoking why the hell would I want to seal twist in SOD????

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

you asked for a buff. here is your buff. careful what you wish for, i guess. lmao.

[@Adam-082]

its crazy how two of the weakest pve are insane in pvp now they are gonna be even more insane in pvp :*D

[@masterchief00]

i can’t fuckin stand boomies in pvp as a rogue lol

[@janoskiss8434]

Rejoicing seal twisting?! LOL! Worst playstyle ever! The whole P3 sucks. Bad itemzation, shit pvp, unbalanced bg-s. Unpugable raid. Giant inflation. Disgusting nightmare event. P1 was awesome! You've felt that its a kind of new vanilla. Now it has nothing to do with vanilla. Its not even classic+ , its just retail+ now! Hope the noisy hc community enjoys it.

[@thatsdopamine5653]

Rogue changes are dumb, firstly no one plays saber slash, secondly they changes it to stack up to 5 times but reduced the bleed to 3% per stack from 5% so its still 15% ap bleed which isnt enough to be good. i dont knoe who is making these rogue changes but they clearly don’t understand the changes they are making

[@josephh4579]

All pvpers are gonna quit - SOD is an absolute unbalanced mess if u want to pvp.

[@Osanve]

vanilla always was pvp unbalanced.

[@josephh4579]

@@Osanveoriginal classic pvp was not unbalanced lol, there was a lot of back and forth and baiting out defensives and trinkets what are u smoking

[@Osanve]

@@josephh4579 coolstory bro. coolstory. does the word “globaled” ring the bell for you?

[@hopri00]

The 4 most annoying classes in PvP, SP/Elemental/Balance/Rogue get buffed and not nerfed, wrong call tbh and utter cluelessness from the people that call themselves developers. Truly a clownfiesta to make buffs for specs that utterly dominate PvP and underperform in PvE, or even in rogues case, overperform in both and STILL get buffed.

[@hydrus91]

I've been sealtwisting since SOD was launched so I'm slightly confused on how its only just being added when its been in the game since launch lol

[@palmenable]

And now we will never use divine storm as ret. Seal twisting is a very annoying playstyle, and feels like a scuffed mechanic.

[@Affar0x]

why is it that they don't do the same as in retail. just change the values of pvp and pve damage modifiers of skills or is it too much work for them? "Damage decreased by 50% against players" "damage against monsters increased by 10%" and so forth.

[@manossfs4757]

you buff paladin when one shot you on hots you buff priste when kil you only with dots well nice fixes i guess!!! gj blizzard

[@wheeze9378]

I'm surprised there's absolute nothing for warriors. Specifically Protection Warriors! As a Protection Warrior it's basically impossible keep AOE threat on trash mobs in raid, compared to for example a Shaman tank with still overtuned Lightning Shield. Besides that Block Value is still bugged, when it comes to adding damage to Shield Slam... #FixProtWar