World of Warships- Soviet Submarines Are Coming Soon! But In A Way You Probably Will Like!

[@Epicredeemer]

It still blows my mind that were getting Soviet subs before Japanese

[@Smenkhaare]

Surely... and the Soviet Subs will be more invisible than U-4501's at that. 😆

[@Reptilian.Complex]

New Gimmick: When Petropavlovsk is destroyed it turns into tier X Soviet Submarine.

[@jaceborg]

Read the 'in a way you will probably like' title and immediately pictured them as wrecks at the bottom of the sea :)

[@Sheikh-Za-Booba]

coral reef

[@Tundraviper41]

As an I-56 player, while her non-homing Torps are powerful. Getting into position using your limited battery time compared to other subs with a Periscope conclement of 2.7 and a surface conclement of 7.6km and very sluggish top speed underwater in the upper teens makes her very vulnerable when spotted by other ships or subs.

[@HerbaceousM8]

well the new sub "has less time underwater" ... by a trivial amount and a crazy recharge rate. treat it like a 3 min smoke

[@metwo1492]

With the usual Soviet bias, I figure tier X is Victor-class or Akula-class. But then again, the way that underwater speeds and detectability are with these subs, they are all like the Victor-class or Los Angeles class underwater.

[@hapexamendios7269]

It isn't the damage that subs do that makes them annoying. It's the inability of many ships to strike back in most situations that makes them annoying. It is the same reason CVs are hated.

[@frosty3693]

Oddly it is especiall true for DDs You try and run one down in many DDs and the sub is almost as fast as the DD all the while the sub is spamming torps at you while anyone on their team is spamming shells at you. And after all that a team mate with airstrike ASW sinks it before you can. Subs are FUBAR from the start. But if WG makes them closer to historical no one would play them.

[@davis6048]

Learn how to play the game both sides have the same ships may the better side win. I'm tired of your crying Pansey's. Learn how to play against them or counter them better or quit.

[@davis6048]

When Subs get over 350,000 to 400,000 damage like other ships classes ,I will know were even when that happens.I play all classes of ships and enjoy them all even when I get killed by a sub or cv grow up . You people are crying over nothing Karens. I think WG nerfed the subs a little to much really.

[@SuspiciousAnomoly]

@@davis6048Sub player:

[@SuspiciousAnomoly]

@@davis6048ngl, I’m definitely crying over what you wrote, I’m having a stroke reading this.

[@timothyodenwald7441]

One can only hope that ASW will be buffed to account for subs with increased HP

[@anthonyrizzi4598]

I’m sure this is a hot take, but the people who relentlessly cry about subs being broken op I think simply fail to grasp how subs have changed over time and how difficult it is to actually do good damage on them.

[@xPureNRG007x]

This is an accurate take. Because of the bad implementation they have just generated so much hatred that people still see them in that way despite their near irrelevance in battles now. CVs are a different story, and still very much deserve the hatred they receive.

[@redeclipse4ever409]

Totally this.

[@colvingazelle]

I would agree if homing torpedo range was 1K less than all airstrke one tier below the sub and they all had access to normal torpedos with longer ranges. But that would require skill on the sub player so it’s never going to happen

[@Peter-je6td]

Wrong every aspect of subs and CVs just sucks to play against them they simply dont fit the game and if their was a game mode that excluded subs and CV's every man and his dog would play that mode instead and randoms would be empty and that is a fact that you cant argue

[@stefanocrosazzo3262]

Try to play any DD with an enemy sub around, he can keep you permaspotted for his teammates to wreck you. This is the single most powerful thing a sub can do, not pings, not homing torps, just consistent, unavoidable spotting. And WG seem to think the same, they increased the BXP yield of subs in order to allow them to get insane amounts of XP without dealing lots of damage. They incidentally nerfed DDs BXP yield btw, for the same reason in reverse

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Surprised there's no Tier VI submarine here, given that every other submarine line in the game starts at Tier VI.

[@Stephen__White]

Right at the bottom of the dev blog, "In the coming weeks, we will share more details about adjustments to the stock modules of Soviet submarines and updates to the Tier VI S-1 submarine. Though we are still finalizing the specific parameters of the changes, they will be similar to those mentioned in this devblog." S-1 has been in testing for quite a while. Honestly all the RU subs were, they were part of the first tests then just kind of dumped to the side in favour of the subs we have now.

[@joey636]

i just wish they could keep the sub on sub shotgunning. im not really a sub fan but a good sub vs sub battle whas fun in an otherwise not so exciting game.

[@Goldenfire49]

Remembering all my sub v sub battles. Either one sub engages and wins. Or both subs attempt to duke it out and both die because of SS and the mutual hatred of the class stops all conflict to send green and red planes out to interrupt the honorable 1 v 1

[@beaugator]

If you have Aslains mod pac, they are in the Premium ships area with "coming soon" flags on them.

[@Mr.BattleShip19]

Will we get Sub-tenders?

[@-sly-Critique]

More cruisers need submarine surveillance, not the long-range ones. It makes no sense why some ships don't have ASW and can only drop off the ship. What special power do ASW ships have? It's clearly a radio call to land or an invisible carrier. Adding more subs would be a terrible idea until the balance is complete. Right now if you join a game and a sub is on the A flank most folk sail to C away from the sub on A, Why well the above explains why. All ships that have radar should have the option to switch that before battle to submarine surveillance.

[@Sandman253]

Good idea👍

[@colvingazelle]

This is exactly what I do. Especially above Tier VI. Why compete against a sub who can ping you outside of your air strike range?

[@Sandman253]

@@colvingazelle Gunfire works well too when sub is on the surface

[@WilliamLoewen-xu2si]

Why not give some destroyers submarine survailence?

[@-sly-Critique]

@WilliamLoewen-xu2si As much as I dont like Sub mechanics I feel that will be too OP and make Subs innefecivly useless in the game. But I would give DD's ASW to 3km or 5km

[@samcruce5459]

Ngl when it comes to development blog news, nobody beats Flamu’s style

[@EM-hb6sl]

still believe in some sort of “spawn” escort consumable (DE, frigate, corvette, torp/gun boat, minelayers!?) would be worth exploring for WG

[@SuspiciousAnomoly]

They did explore mine laying in the game at one point. It’s a bad idea trust me. They made it to where carriers could drop mines and it’s absolute hell.

[@jenrai8312]

Great, just what we need more stealthy dd's with diving

[@henghistbluetooth7882]

As opposed to shimakazes - with cloaking devices and torpedo machine guns?

[@jenrai8312]

@@henghistbluetooth7882 Yes but shimakazes can be detected by hydro or radar

[@MarBl66]

Yes, the arming nerf rendered the I-56 useless - have not touched it since.

[@xPureNRG007x]

It went from the most fun sub to awful with that one nerf.

[@Spxghetti.]

These subs are going to be very good. K1 will be the new fastest sub in the game (faster than archerfish) Left out they are giving the line DD acceleration

[@concidius]

The problem with subs is that only a small part of the players are decent in them. At least half of all sub player get literally nothing done. The middle ground players are annoying but usually spend the game sinking one enemy. As with CVs though subs don't counter each other all that well. They get a detection but rarely kill each other. People say they are no worse than DDs and probably worse. This is fair but most DDs would have a counter by another DD. The lack of a counter is what makes CVs and subs disliked while people are fine with DDs.

[@Aturia777]

Just like the JP Crusier line the I-56 needs some balance changes. I enjoy playing it but low battery, it's concealment it poor compared to other Subs/DD's. I feel like for I-56 you would need alternate Captain skills or something.

[@donaldmonroe8503]

Adding mines to the game -- especially as an area denial effect --- could have been an interesting mechanic. The Kreiserskaya-class 1 was a mine laying vessel and all of her credited kills were attributed to mines. Yeah, I know, nobody cares.

[@SuspiciousAnomoly]

I just don’t think mines would be a good fit in the game. It sounds good on paper but sounds really annoying both playing it and playing against it. Playing it would mean a DD would have to get close enough to lay a mine field effectively. Placing mines in your own turf isn’t really going to work well. Secondly being able to wall off whole areas sounds kinda OP, and frustrating to deal with. Not to mention I think it would be bad for the game because it keeps pushing the current passive meta even more. We already sorta have area denial ships, such as the shinakaze, and jinan. Which can launch lots of torpedos. But they don’t launch a permanent mine field that blocks access to a certain area. They just make it a little more difficult to push. If they aren’t careful, adding mine laying could easily be massively OP or really bad.

[@professorq4081]

I been waiting patiently for the IJN Submarine line. But after they guted i-56 They need to fix the submarine core first. This arming nerf just destory i-56 risky reward gameplay.

[@broccanmacronain457]

Does not sound obvious but (from a 20-year vet on fast attack subs) the best ship to hunt subs in is a submarine.

[@Ionotron]

Everybody cries about subs, yet a DD can sit in smoke and burn down battleships with HE no problem...

[@colvingazelle]

Until a tornado finds him lollygaging in smoke for too long

[@Lord_of_Admirals]

exactly, the double standard stems from a subs increased concealment capabilities with torps not reveling you when you launch them, exactly like a dd. while a dd can be spotted if he shoots his guns all a dd needs to do to hide is pop a smoke and move a little, just like a sub diving and moving a little. the real differences between the classes is one trades main guns for 3d movement while the other stays at the surface and burns things from being islands or in smokes. both classes get punished if spotted and really are specialized to stealth and ambush/burst tactics. like yeah it sucks to get outflanked, to be spotted but not being able to spot back or getting sunk by percentage damage but that's how its been for 10 years now, whoever has the best positioning usually holds an advantage (weather they have the skill to utilize that advantage is pretty much always up for grabs)

[@varsington]

I agree.. Dd's are way OP.... WHY DO YOU WAYS HEAR everyone say .wheres the dd... Where's the dd....

[@HerbaceousM8]

if only we had some sorta radar that spots DDs in a smoke. imagine a DD that has a "super smoke", they just go invisible unless you have a "super radar" that is far more limited than the regular radar

[@SuspiciousAnomoly]

More ships should get submarine surveillance. As a DD player it’s frustrating that so many cruisers have radar now. So why don’t subs get to suffer the same fate? Does WG just hate DDs and love subs?

[@johnnypatterson7512]

Subs don't belong in this game outside Operations. They are nothing but a troll class of ship.

[@grandmoffrex]

But I ln a cruel twist of irony you can’t take a sub into ops

[@crapmalls]

CVs need to go first

[@crapmalls]

I refuse to play randoms. So now there are CVs in brawl. Stop paying. Let wg decide. Remove CVs or game dies

[@iiagdtr]

​@@grandmoffrexAnd why Ops is enjoyable even if a bit stale

[@MrNo-xl2dq]

I like this game the way it is.

[@grayboats7741]

A new class of sub to sink. Good. Am I one of the few that just learned to enjoy hunting subs? I can hunt them in a BB 7/10 times in the end game.

[@kaollachan]

i don't think they will be as bad as I 56, i mean the I has limited surface ping ( the aoe that ping all ship in range) and no real way to counter other sub

[@crapmalls]

CRAZY IVAN

[@YogSothoth620]

"The only right way to go with subs is to just remove them" - Sun Tzu

[@unowno123]

its funny how these submarines have absolutely nothing to do anymore with submarines the submarine surveillance nonsense is still a thing and I don't understand why WG is not completely overhauling this class I think this entire submarine line is going to fall flat on its face, because you can't shoot unguided torpedoes from those ranges with such a high detection when everyone has ASW ready for you and destroyers hunt you down without subs being able to fight back with the new arming distance subs have become wierd torpedo destroyers that don't work in WOWS instead of submarines

[@varsington]

I completely agree.... They barely resemble subs.. Barely... 156..i either do 56k dmg... Or die right away... 156 is aweful to play... Just aweful... Worst sub in the game...

[@gstormcz]

Subs simply cripple playability of certain ships. If you play ship like DM next to island they simply ping you and pump all those torps into your ship. ASW doesn't have that enough distance, dmg con is pretty useless, they have ping ready much faster, radar doesn't work as against DDs and they got even captain skill telling them depth they have to be to avoid from active surveilance. Then you go in match where you are one of 2 cruisers in team, the rest is 5 BBs, 3DDs and 2 subs. It really reminds me CVs who have well lend time in match playing from max distance coming with manually "guided" armament. Subs are that much broken class that they have lend time with roughly 5min activation time for sub surveilance. No other class has such luxury playing undetected from start of match.

[@tijger5353]

I am scared

[@robertbloch1063]

What is it to like about them? I obviously missed this bit. I like challenge, so class designed for braindead is not fun. I am not sadist, so class designed to frustrate and torture other players is not fun. More reasons to stay away from randoms.

[@1337flite]

Can you spell “overpowered”?

[@xPureNRG007x]

I can: CV.

[@glenn6820]

Soviet super torps, and capable of air drops, no doubt.

[@rafaeltoledo2310]

Cool news, but i am waiting for japanese subs 😂

[@sardaukerlegion]

Vomiting...

[@leftcoaster67]

Captain Ramius and The Red Ocktober?

[@fresshell3411]

I guess they cant remove 3km arming range for just subs ? I only played them to fight enemy subs so I havent touched them since the change

[@jacoblounsbury]

The British submarines came out in 2021 along with the American hybrid battleships

[@alainsterckx9154]

so, they bringing out the 2023 Moskva ?

[@mikehenthorn1778]

It sounds to me like the Soviet submarine line is Dead on arrival

[@hapexamendar1093]

All DD’s and most cruisers should have sub surveillance, there I fixed it. The total lack of interaction is lame and boring for everyone.

[@sealordmountbatten]

I feel like DDs are on the border of being overwhelmed with duties. They’re meant to spot, run torp interference, area denial with their torps, run destroyer interference, and now ASW on top of everything else

[@hapexamendar1093]

@ that’s one reason the “free” sub surveillance isn’t free! It pushes DD’s into their historical role instead of pretending there are an infinite number of hidden planes somewhere waiting to smash subs.

[@colvingazelle]

@@sealordmountbattenthat’s why the best players are DD mains.

[@120420]

Lol. I'm just here for the comments!

[@BayPofuduk355]

Oh hell nahhhh

[@scootypooper]

Hello

[@iiagdtr]

Let the boats have improved performance against their class (and maybe CVs lol) but not the surface ships.

[@davidconlin32]

COUDL YOU DO ANOTHER HOW TO CAN YOU TERACH ME TO PLAY PRINZ EUGAN Reply

[@PelhamExpress]

Wait till the hybrid subs come out. I400 anyone? 😂

[@davhot4107]

Did soviets have subs in real life in ww2?

[@sealordmountbatten]

They actually had a pretty large sub fleet

[@henghistbluetooth7882]

One day world of warships players will be happy. No carriers, no subs, no destroyers, just battleships with one gun, one ammo type one play style and one tactic. No brains required and everyone will finally be happy :)

[@davidhines7592]

subs used to be good until the changes when they nerfed shotgunning. for some reason they made it impossible (practically) for subs to detect each other. i liked that combat. torpedo shooting ships is fine in co-op but i can imagine playing in randoms with a sub now.

[@Stephen__White]

Shotgunning was powerful sure, but it was not healthy for the game and was honestly quite overpowered. It needed to go. Ether that or every ship needed to be given tools for finding subs on short cool-downs, because as it was. There was zero counter-play from any other ships perspective.

[@varsington]

I never shotgunned.... I liked staying underwater as long as, possible... Hunting useless surfacers...

[@octaviusmorlock]

Ya'll need to grow up. Subs has been in the game for multiple years; and the sub rework has been around for most of a year. WG isn't going to remove them (or CVs) no matter how much you whine about it.

[@Brainreaver79]

gonna be honest i had hoped for an ijn submarine tree...

[@varsington]

Finallllyyy!!!!... I've been waiting sooooo.. Long... Who do you have to dis member to get another submarine line... Thank you batton... You made my friday!!!? I take thar, back... Surface focus'd subs?... Wtf is the point.. That's not what a sub is for... Laaaammmme... So basically a line of gatos, and archerfish... As a sub main... No thanks... I'll pass...

[@johnynuke3310]

So the soviet sub gimick is that they play more like real ww2 submarines, wow wargaming, just wow

[@colvingazelle]

This!

[@matteoorlandi856]

did they scuttle at the start of the match? then i will like them.

[@ReDiR20]

Yes, my most awaited line. Should have released 1-2 years ago when announced

[@johnnypatterson7512]

Subs are hated by the majority of the playerbase.

[@totallostig]

@@johnnypatterson7512 so what

[@lightbluewaves5526]

​@@johnnypatterson7512 So? If he's excited for it just let him. If the majority of players love to eat mud, does that mean he has too?

[@professorq4081]

​@@johnnypatterson7512Speak for yourself. So of us enjoy playing submarine.

[@frosty3693]

The best change to subs would be to replace their deck hatches with screen doors. The reduction in power of the torps at close range is probably to make trying to depth charge them with a DD worth the trouble. Otherwise it's just saver to run away and let the BBs with ASW aircraft deal with them.

[@davidturner6995]

Just what the game really needs , more c**ts in subs . Give us some asdic .Maybe , and this is radical , a few new maps

[@MrNo-xl2dq]

Subs belong in this game and are very interesting class. It makes the game more immersive.

[@davidturner6995]

You just have to love sarcastic humour , put a big smile on my face

[@vecioalpin8998]

It makes no SENSE at all to push out a line of ships that are the WORST performing in every aspect. Subs were nerfed with HAMMER and nowdays you see very few around. Even the recent released archerfish is rare to see and do not excell at doing anything. Subs are DEAD. No reason to play unless you are a masochist.

[@nokommie8055]

I truly don't understand... who the hell want such things? I would prefer something else, more actual ships even something impossible like a Cv tree for Italy, but if they want to add Subs why not putting Japanese or Italian subs????

[@a92gsxdsm]

Loving all the cry babies in the comments! Cry babies, cry!!!!

[@homepage1566]

Maybe they should introduce the K-141 Kursk. Doesn’t need depth charges, just self destructs

[@_nihilus7127]

Subs are worst class in game. I dont even mind most cvs, but subs just suck.

[@professorq4081]

The fact you don't mind CVs say a lot about you. =W=

[@_nihilus7127]

@professorq4081 arty in wot is worse. So are subs in wows. Cvs spotting is busted, otherwise they dont bother me an awful lot.

[@LeonardPinnix]

"It's a tough time for submarines right now ..."; Imagine my concern!

[@Foxy87]

Im EXCITED !

[@gustavsudspitz1472]

Subs look all the same. We only need 1 Type and then Delete it out of this Game

[@LarryWater]

Japan’s need a sub line ASAP.

[@kaollachan]

and french too

[@plaguedoctor2160]

honestly they don't sound very good, I really like subs myself but yeah nah these ones sound kinda shitty.

[@gorazdnovsak3705]

They are finally coming? Well I would not used that words... They are unfortunately coming?

[@josephrielinger2637]

I'd rather have new reef roaches than carriers and hybrids

[@williamneitzel2249]

Please WG, No SUBs... ALL of the time.

[@brianhines5801]

Exactly what we don't want

[@Hikerjon123]

One ping only…

[@KFINCHIE31]

Great remember the part were we all asked for more subs..... Oh me neither

[@peeperinos]

Every asym i have a sub, i cry. They are the one ship that are HORRIBLE in that mode.

[@xPureNRG007x]

Wow. I found subs to be glorious in Asym. But that is with me driving, and I am almost always the last ship alive, and I win every time with the sub. It is in fact the perfect game mode for them. I rarely have as much fun in Randoms, where the nerfs really worked to mitigate subs. Trouble is most sub drivers are clueless and get themselves sunk quickly, leaving their team down 1 contributing ship.

[@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken]

More subs...yuck!!