Production Basics 10: Sub Separation

[@EricTheYounger]

this guy knows his shit ridiculously well

[@amex4453]

lol....he's your daddy in this stuff

[@DJTyR3x]

TBH if you want a perfect sub, use your ears and A,B one of your favorite tracks in the drop, put ozone or some type of multiband compressor just so you can solo the low and kind of compare and contrast how your low end sounds in vol and in power, vs the pro.

[@forrestgump8312]

"Unmolested subfrequencies"

[@SolarHeavy]

I realize this is all pre master but I usually mono everything under 120-150hz when mastering, and just make a resonant high pass around 30hz, that gives me more headroom to work with. And of course I always layer in a 3xosc sine with the crc's turned off, purest sine imo.

[@DistantAngel64]

3xosc's good shit yo.

[@DanielJ]

Purest? Alright. It's back to 3osc then. I was using Sytrus before for subs

[@joybeats2425]

super super useful tip and reminder throughout production process. actually revisiting this particular overall explanation of sub separation after so many years. so glad this is still up and your still doing your thing =). this tips carrys across any DAW and style of music. awesome tutorial from an all around awesome dude! thanks so so much seamlessR! you saved a girls life =)

[@nativemaggot]

This cleared up a lot of questions I had about subs...thank you sir with the four eyes...you wear glasses...dun nun nun!

[@joybeats2425]

it truly fascinates me how the low end, sub can carry a life all on its own. bring it to life give it character w/ saturation distortion and let it breath through higher frequencies, can be left alone untouched, then mixed w/ other wave forms from harmonics of another sub. sheesh it has such a story.

[@alecplant1687]

I like that Seamless is a floating, disembodied head in this video

[@vincentmenard9273]

Why is your sub bass so freaking huge? I make a 1 voice sine wave in Sylenth and Sytrus and it shows up as a super slim line in the EQ. Thanks for the advice dudes!

[@DanielJ]

That's exactly how mine looks too haha

[@atomsktheforgiver]

+Vincent Menard (Bédo) this was an older version of FL. they reworked the UI of the PEQ2 when 12 came out, so the harmonics you see are still there it's just a different look.

[@vincentmenard9273]

Does this mean it's less precise?

[@atomsktheforgiver]

+Vincent Menard (Bédo) not necessarily. if anything it's "too" precise now since the monitor UI is so clean.

[@vincentmenard9273]

Nice man. Thanks for the input

[@TheGrandAtheist]

Thanks alot Seamless, I needed to watch this vid. BTW you are a great teacher because your vids are easy to follow and you explain things very well.

[@ShallieDragon]

In one of my songs, I am applying a rapid low-pass filter to the sub, so that it wobbles in time with the main bass sounds (FM basses, distorted wobbles, etc.). I'm also applying a sidechain compressor to duck the sub around the kick. Is this kind of sub modulation acceptable, or is it better to have a sub that's totally rock-solid the whole time?

[@asmodeusssssssss]

What he said ^

[@tahjphoenix2703]

Yes it is fine, in fact it's probably better to sidechain around the kick so that you don't have conflict between the kick and the sub. That way you can still keep a hard hitting bass drum instead of cutting it out

[@DistantAngel64]

i think i remember reading somewhere infected mushroom does a (pretty much) side chain for kick and sub for a lot of their stuff.

[@OmenAhead]

+ShalMusicFX I am wondering what the low pass does to the sub since the sub is just a few harmonics, so what is the low pass rapidly wobbling, except for its volume? :P my opinion is that if you are about to "rapidly" modulate the sub, then dont do that because you will have an unstable low end that will not sound good and phat. i dont know if its the correct way, but I try to use midi notes on the sub to kinda make it follow the wobbles (for example, triplet wobbles = triplet notes for the sub). About the sub sidechain, u're doing good

[@sleepyShaman479]

So simple, but effective. Another gem!

[@MrNewVegas15]

Unrelated to sub bass's but could you do an entire video specifically on how patcher works and how you can use it to your advantages? go over the pros and cons? Or if you already have a video explaining Fl's patcher let me know... have a nice day Seamless thanks for the informative video!

[@IAmMinnian]

Thanks M8. Your most helpful video yet.

[@lucasbeall1924]

Damn, this video has the best like to dislike ratio I've ever seen. Outstanding job Seamless!

[@_Sickly_]

r u skrillex?

[@DJTyR3x]

I also hear that a pure sine osc with a second osc that has very minimal amplitude and consist of a square, is the perfect method of creating a monster subbass, but remember, MINIMAL amplitude, that means only a few ticks turned on, like if you solo it it is almost like distant.

[@bob_blob]

funny fact : i've made the exact same reflexion yesterday night at eptic and Dodge n Fusky gig^^ Anyway, what's the shortcut you use to copy pianoroll from your synth to your sytrus at some point of the video?

[@brzr561]

If i use a basic supporting sub like this the sub instrument varies in perceived volume on different frequencies. How do i make my sub notes sound equally as powerfully sounding on different notes ?

[@Zenthex]

Honestly it's probably just the room your in. Especially if you're in a small untreated room.

[@Brainfly-]

You can't. Some notes just have more sub to them. What you can try is automating the EQ levels :)

[@Zenthex]

BrainflyPersonal not recommended. again, the room you're in plays a huge roll in what notes sound loud to you, and they're different for every room. it's better to just leave it flat.

[@brzr561]

Zenthex BrainflyPersonal tx for the reply guy's ,the room thing could be a factor however i usually do my sub mixing with a headset anyway and then switch 2 my speakers and sub woofer after that. i'm pretty sure there r actually some techniques 2 counter the lowering in power of the sub the lower you get. Like for example routing the sub instrument to 2 diffrent channels .1 channel is the pure sub with the low end EQ and a side chain on it while the other channel, (purely used for mixing in body) has a high pass on it with maybe some subtle wave shaping .

[@MRDCbeats]

YESSSSSS!!! Thanks so much Seamless! :)

[@Inssssomniac]

Would there be any benefit to making your sub channel on the mixer mono, via the stereo separation knob dealy? I've been using FL since v3 and the way it deals with mono vs stereo channels still baffles me.

[@nano7586]

When I do a sinewave Fruity EQ2 doesn't show me a single band.. it shows me multiple bands between 20 and 60 Hz. Am I doing something wrong? Could it be the clicking sound that for some reason is produced? The note is low enough and it definitely is a sub bass.

[@genejas]

+Sandor Dude it just isnt perfectly accurate. your doing fine

[@genejas]

+Sandor Dude actually, if you go and turn on high precision monitor, it shows just one frequency

[@nano7586]

aeneas6899 .Poteeto Potato Thanks

[@TwoThreadsAhead]

Might be a schoolboy question haha but I'm glad you touched upon this as I've been pondering some things in regard to something similar myself, so I'm curious, how effective do you think this would be to do if you were using already rendered audio and don't have the patches you used ? so essentially, if I have a pattern of say about 5-6 differently designed shots and wanted to reinforce the lows of the pattern as a whole rather than per individual shot, do you reckon I will run into any kind of issues as long as the fundamental notes are the same in each layer ?

[@aliensystem1528]

150 hz high pass filter on the "non-sub" bass seems a bit high to me. You'd then have a gap between 100- 150 hz which would sound weird

[@MRDCbeats]

Seamless, do you think you'll use this technique or are you going to stick with your own methods. This way seams a lot easier and sounds really good. What do you think?

[@noncanadian]

so.. did he ever actually say WHY the sub bass was wobbly and not static?

[@boondawksaints]

It's because it was part of a heavily modulated sound like every reese bass is.

[@DistantAngel64]

his fm synth vid explained most of it pretty well.

[@stevezac_cptlpnshmnt]

It's because the original sound has two oscillators de-tuned from one another which cause the sound to wobble.

[@The7up]

I'm confused. When people refer to a "bass" are they refering to a "sub-bass"? What other types of core basses are there?

[@Styrant]

How low should a subbass tone be? I've heard 65hz or lower for the sub tone so I've just been doing that.

[@5bitcube]

5:42 can your mac do this? i think not

[@austinstraza1231]

Thank you so much for this! My production skillz (that don't exist) thank you!

[@officialzotax]

how did he do that clean sub bass 3:10 sorry for asking

[@atrian_op4482]

Can you automate plugins in Patcher?

[@YabbaJabbaJooooooo]

At 3:00 please someone tell me how you can copy and paste like that. It will change my life forever. Pleeeeeaaaseee sooommmoooonneeee!

[@Unnamed218]

You click on the indicator at the side of the channel name, the one that lights green, and Ctrl+C, then click that indicator in the channel you want to copy notes in, and Ctrl+V.

[@elissonespinal3754]

You could try control C in the channel you want to copy from, and control V in the Channel you want it to be pasted at

[@YFCEdan]

I did not know to put it at 150. thank you this has been helpful.

[@DirtyPossum23]

Do you think it's still worth it to high pass the basses and add a sub in Serum? or is the direct sub out option sufficient

[@genejas]

its pretty good, but if you use any processing outside of serum your sub will be affected

[@silachi999]

Ok, I just wonder man, you do not low pass the other copy of your instrument because you kinda want the higher frequencies/harmonics of both instruments kinda mix with each other or do I get it wrong? Thanks for the video btw!

[@spicetbedhead]

Your like the Master of Dub Step Wobble Bass lol but do you also do any tutorials about Lush Pads or Soundscapes or something Atmospheric? Thank you :) Love your videos btw very informative no matter what genre :)

[@DanielJ]

Hey how loud should one mix their sub? I guess it's all just to ear, right?

[@Trickey2413]

+Daniel K Indeed, although be careful, its very easy to mix it too loud.

[@DanielJ]

+Jo Ho is that before or after mastering?

[@DanielJ]

+IM Wercs I know. Don't want to drown out everything else with it

[@Trickey2413]

Daniel K Dont give a fuck ablut that -6 db. Seriously, its like a thorn in the eye.

[@DanielJ]

Alright i'll probably just keep using reference tracks

[@balcofono666]

These 4 notes... Prodigy - Out of Space! (probably by accident, and not on the same octave)

[@carlosyt2]

omgg.... i was just thinking about this a few days ago :D

[@Joibuzzr1]

Can this help with trap production

[@1august12]

Dunno. Most of the bass in trap comes from the kick, right? There shouldn't be a lot of other disruptive elements in the low end, so a separate sub seems unnecessary.

[@LarryDaGamerGuy]

***** For sure.

[@ThePulcsy]

Which How To Bass?

[@hrithiknirmal5705]

How to create a sub?

[@nicodemosmusic]

Haha that ending!!!! YES!

[@nickert0n]

Good stuff will help my music thx.

[@roniii2743]

Why 150Hz? Is there a more scientific explanation?

[@blacklistnr1]

Well, it's below 200 Hz (where the mids usually start) and above 120 Hz(a frequency I found to be very "bassy", at least with my current setup); it's basically a general cross-over between bass and mids, but the exact point will vary from song to song Hope it helps ;)

[@DJTyR3x]

I have also heard from a (smart music maker) lol that 150hz is the perfect roll off point for a bass patch and that oddly enough, the subbass roll off point should be 200hz, i dont know why, i just know said person has some of the best mixdowns known to music.

[@DanielJ]

+Caliphate (Official) who's your source, man?

[@stevezac_cptlpnshmnt]

I've been rolling them off at 150Hz for a while too... Just saw this video and was stoked to see the same technique being used! It just sounds good to my ears.

[@stevezac_cptlpnshmnt]

@Mark Donald Use a SUBPAC and try again. There is def some low end still present in that range.

[@skrillmau59]

is it normal that I think that taking away any bass under 250 Hz is my magic number for taking away the lead subs?

[@DanielJ]

That might be way too high. 150 is pretty good

[@unkleRucker21]

The Floating Head has spoken

[@L9X]

Does this mean you'll be using a sub now? PLS!

[@Slabeddi]

You forgot Layer windows Smemlass

[@SeryZoneX]

Чёт я нифига не понял...

[@zastermaster]

DERP FIRST DERP

[@skymoosic]

smecond

[@wbonilla]

S K Y Music lol

[@Joibuzzr1]

Ctrl+c then Ctrl+v

[@phnmnn5991]

bro

[@Joibuzzr1]

Un molested?

[@franzweiss9777]

talks half an hour. makes a cut.